Do I actually have Greek ancestry?

[HerculesGB]

Hi all,

I’ve been wondering for a while if I actually have Greek ancestry as a Balkan Romani. Various DNA tests show that my main non South Asian genes are from Aegean Islands or Greece in general. However, in my opinion it is doubtful because I was born in Bulgaria (Macedonian part) and my family has been living there since centuries.

My Romani tribe is known as Yerli/Erlides which is a south Balkan Romani group which inhabits the southern Balkan as well as Turkey and we were ‘originally’ Muslims. The difference between us and other Romani groups is that we were not nomadic but rather settled and integrated into back then Ottoman society and now Balkan countries.

Thus, I have been expecting to see more Turkish or Bulgarian input to my ancestry.

AncestryDNA:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240217/b8529df47eff7c085150720f4d4c06bb.jpg

23andme:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240217/8fac0a2e884139bccbb02223c5415762.jpg

So, my question is how can I be sure of what the estimates say?

I am aware that Byzantine Greek has influenced Romani language as a whole yet not many Roma who are not from Greece score that much Aegean as I do.

Disclaimer: I don’t identify as Greek or want to impose that I am from that heritage. My main goal is to understand my ancestry.

Thank you.

[black hole]

Autosomal DNA is an exaggerated bullcrap, Y-DNA haplogroup is important and above everything. Your haplogroup is not typical among Greeks, and it clearly shows you are a Roma/Gypsy.

[HerculesGB]

Autosomal DNA is an exaggerated bullcrap, Y-DNA haplogroup is important and above everything. Your haplogroup is not typical among Greeks, and it clearly shows you are a Roma/Gypsy.

I am not imposing to be Greek. Yet, the paternal lineage in my opinion shows only a small part of the genome. I am curious of what makes me a Romani genetically. :)


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[lockdownboredom]

Do you have any European relatives on any of those services? If so, what ethnicity forms the bulk of those matches?

[HerculesGB]

Do you have any European relatives on any of those services? If so, what ethnicity forms the bulk of those matches?

My main matches are Romani yet I match with Balkan and Turkish people as distant relatives.

I don’t have recent non Romani ancestry. My main goal is to understand the south Asian and European & West Asian that contributes to my ancestry.

[~Elizabeth~]

Maybe you descend from Aegean/Greek sailors that visited your area over the centuries.

[lockdownboredom]

My main matches are Romani yet I match with Balkan and Turkish people as distant relatives.

I don’t have recent non Romani ancestry. My main goal is to understand the south Asian and European & West Asian that contributes to my ancestry.

Right but is there a specific Balkan ethnicity that is more common than the others?

[Kess]

Yes it is evident that you have Greek ancestry.

[HerculesGB]

Right but is there a specific Balkan ethnicity that is more common than the others?

Good question. I would have to dig into that. Yet, the places I have most matches are Bulgaria and Macedonia followed by Greece and Turkey.

[HerculesGB]

Maybe you descend from Aegean/Greek sailors that visited your area over the centuries.

Interesting idea. Or maybe my Romani family back in the day lived in the Aegean Greek part before moving to the Balkans. Who knows haha.

[HerculesGB]

Yes it is evident that you have Greek ancestry.

I was expecting more Turkish komsu [emoji23]

[Kess]

I was expecting more Turkish komsu [emoji23]

Why? You are a Balkanite after all even though you are a Roma.

[HerculesGB]

Why? You are a Balkanite after all even though you are a Roma.

Because my tribe is Turkish Roma - Yerli/Erlides. And it would make more sense to score more Turkish or Bulgarian.

I actually like the idea of having Greek ancestry because I love Greek music and food and anything related to Greece [emoji23] just wanna be sure if it’s actually real.

[Kess]

Because my tribe is Turkish Roma

Interesting never heard of them.

[HerculesGB]

Interesting never heard of them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlije

[lockdownboredom]

Good question. I would have to dig into that. Yet, the places I have most matches are Bulgaria and Macedonia followed by Greece and Turkey.

You could probably rule out the Greek Islander ancestry if those Greek matches are mainland Greeks.

[Solitude]

Send your 23andme full result

[Solitude]

Autosomal DNA is an exaggerated bullcrap, Y-DNA haplogroup is important and above everything. Your haplogroup is not typical among Greeks, and it clearly shows you are a Roma/Gypsy.

What us can know with our Y?

[HerculesGB]

Send your 23andme full result

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240218/f649f1fe0cb4e850ab5c24230a6f7593.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240218/bc71311bad23690ec08eb57c715eeffd.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240218/a6deb24450d1ee42045ecec9da7c9757.jpg

The only thing I find odd on 23andme is that my south Asian is underestimated and there is high unassigned percentage.

[catgeorge]

One of your ancestors 4-5 generations ago was likely a Greek Thracian

[Leto]

Try this model, it's definitely for you
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?375230-Balkan-Roma-ancestry-subtraction

[gixajo]

Autosomal DNA is an exaggerated bullcrap, Y-DNA haplogroup is important and above everything. Your haplogroup is not typical among Greeks, and it clearly shows you are a Roma/Gypsy.

If Ydna defines what we are better than autosomal, tell me what I am.

[HerculesGB]

Try this model, it's definitely for you
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?375230-Balkan-Roma-ancestry-subtraction

Distance: 2.4448% / 0.02444843
98.0 Roma_Balkans_44
1.8 Georgian
0.2 Noise

Interesting. That is nearly the same as what AncestryDNA gives me.

[Leto]

Distance: 2.4448% / 0.02444843
98.0 Roma_Balkans_44
1.8 Georgian
0.2 Noise

Interesting. That is nearly the same as what AncestryDNA gives me.
Leave Roma_Balkans_44 out and try these
Roma,0.0344131,-0.1108461,-0.1740991,0.1256129,-0.0673921,0.0663786,-0.0030164,0.0133776,0.0609918,0.0398142,-0.0022603,-0.0004874,0.0004748,0.0075994,-0.0115182,-0.0150841,0.0040113,-0.0009199,-0.0028243,0.0076016,0.0031613,0.0055745,-0.0010546,0.0012037,-0.0041726
Balkan,0.1228622,0.1333221,0.0243352,0.0022717,0.0 210619,0.0029375,0.0073122,0.0055127,-0.0037021,0.0014249,-0.0016756,-0.0027959,0.0003694,0.011094,-0.0106745,-0.0045821,0.0036193,-0.0001506,0.0036043,-0.0024425,-0.0062526,-0.0013662,0.0038349,-0.005106,0.0001467
Anatolia_Byz,0.110242708,0.150410297,-0.025850512,-0.058240562,0.00276573,-0.02145265,0.001153832,-0.005009201,-0.005110603,0.01689938,0.003984744,0.002178668,-0.002924321,0.00397851,-0.014682852,-0.002492155,0.006807185,0.001396775,0.004783475,-0.003378258,-0.003730813,0.0023311,-0.0010971,-1.53667E-05,-0.000120552
Georgian,0.1107337,0.1346227,-0.0589335,-0.0473229,-0.0397167,-0.0070427,0.011191,-0.0065955,-0.0626768,-0.019765,0.0006672,0.0103274,-0.0275137,0.0051994,0.0023697,-0.0219656,0.0101651,-0.004315,-0.0099194,0.0159483,0.0125656,0.002528,0.001986,-0.0116914,-0.0002552
Noise,0.433122584,0.341077976,-1.7316791,0.250913302,0.391651262,0.937815464,0.67 157946,0.43527513,0.363721858,0.986187526,0.118165 284,-0.23752359,-0.47413311,0.500988828,0.170464034,-0.40178997,-1.391989188,0.143634783,0.525341614,0.091537406,0. 28109743,-0.921192364,-0.437793358,0.015961378,1.216415828

[HerculesGB]

Leave Roma_Balkans_44 out and try these
Roma,0.0344131,-0.1108461,-0.1740991,0.1256129,-0.0673921,0.0663786,-0.0030164,0.0133776,0.0609918,0.0398142,-0.0022603,-0.0004874,0.0004748,0.0075994,-0.0115182,-0.0150841,0.0040113,-0.0009199,-0.0028243,0.0076016,0.0031613,0.0055745,-0.0010546,0.0012037,-0.0041726
Balkan,0.1228622,0.1333221,0.0243352,0.0022717,0.0 210619,0.0029375,0.0073122,0.0055127,-0.0037021,0.0014249,-0.0016756,-0.0027959,0.0003694,0.011094,-0.0106745,-0.0045821,0.0036193,-0.0001506,0.0036043,-0.0024425,-0.0062526,-0.0013662,0.0038349,-0.005106,0.0001467
Anatolia_Byz,0.110242708,0.150410297,-0.025850512,-0.058240562,0.00276573,-0.02145265,0.001153832,-0.005009201,-0.005110603,0.01689938,0.003984744,0.002178668,-0.002924321,0.00397851,-0.014682852,-0.002492155,0.006807185,0.001396775,0.004783475,-0.003378258,-0.003730813,0.0023311,-0.0010971,-1.53667E-05,-0.000120552
Georgian,0.1107337,0.1346227,-0.0589335,-0.0473229,-0.0397167,-0.0070427,0.011191,-0.0065955,-0.0626768,-0.019765,0.0006672,0.0103274,-0.0275137,0.0051994,0.0023697,-0.0219656,0.0101651,-0.004315,-0.0099194,0.0159483,0.0125656,0.002528,0.001986,-0.0116914,-0.0002552
Noise,0.433122584,0.341077976,-1.7316791,0.250913302,0.391651262,0.937815464,0.67 157946,0.43527513,0.363721858,0.986187526,0.118165 284,-0.23752359,-0.47413311,0.500988828,0.170464034,-0.40178997,-1.391989188,0.143634783,0.525341614,0.091537406,0. 28109743,-0.921192364,-0.437793358,0.015961378,1.216415828


Distance: 1.9041% / 0.01904059
46.2 Anatolia_Byz
35.6 Roma
15.0 Balkan
3.0 Georgian
0.2 Noise

Would this way the "Roma" sample correspond to the Indian ancestry only?

[Leto]

Distance: 1.9041% / 0.01904059
46.2 Anatolia_Byz
35.6 Roma
15.0 Balkan
3.0 Georgian
0.2 Noise

Would this way the "Roma" sample correspond to the Indian ancestry only?
Yes, it's some kind of low caste Indian which is used as a proxy for proto-Romani. The Roma are less than 40% South Asian.

[HerculesGB]

Yes, it's some kind of low caste Indian which is used as a proxy for proto-Romani. The Roma are less than 40% South Asian.

In this case, this would be a good calculator for Roma. It shows both Anatolian and Balkan heritage along with the South Asian. In my opinion, South Asian can vary from group to group. For instance, some tribes look very Indian while others resemble the European people more. From what I've seen most Balkan Roma are 30-50% Indian. Rural Balkan Roma, I have not seen their results but from their appearance, they give like 70% Indian. At the same time, European Roma can be as low as 20%.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Target: Roma_Balkans_(n=3)
Distance: 0.0097% / 0.00965698 | R3P
37.9 Bulgarian_(n=5)
31.5 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
30.6 Greek_Cappadocia_(n=10)


Target: Roma_Balkans_(n=3)
Distance: 0.0078% / 0.00784883 | R4P
43.5 Bulgarian_(n=5)
31.3 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
13.4 Armenian_Hemsheni_(n=7)
11.8 Samaritan_(n=5)


Target: Roma_Balkans_(n=3)
Distance: 0.0076% / 0.00761131 | R5P
34.6 Bulgarian_(n=5)
31.4 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
11.7 Georgian_Kakh_(n=5)
11.2 Samaritan_(n=5)
11.1 Greek_Argolis_(n=16)


Target: Roma_Balkans_(n=3)
Distance: 0.0076% / 0.00758492 | R6P
34.5 Bulgarian_(n=5)
29.1 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
11.5 Samaritan_(n=5)
11.2 Greek_Argolis_(n=16)
9.3 Georgian_Laz_(n=18)
4.4 Sindhi_(n=5)


Target: Roma_Balkans_(n=3)
Distance: 0.0073% / 0.00733871 | R7P
24.9 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
23.0 Greek_Argolis_(n=16)
21.0 Bulgarian_(n=5)
10.5 Samaritan_(n=5)
9.9 Georgian_Kakh_(n=5)
7.5 Vellalar_(n=9)
3.2 Lithuanian_SZ_(n=10)

[HerculesGB]

Target: Roma_Balkans_(n=3)
Distance: 0.0097% / 0.00965698 | R3P
37.9 Bulgarian_(n=5)
31.5 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
30.6 Greek_Cappadocia_(n=10)


Target: Roma_Balkans_(n=3)
Distance: 0.0078% / 0.00784883 | R4P
43.5 Bulgarian_(n=5)
31.3 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
13.4 Armenian_Hemsheni_(n=7)
11.8 Samaritan_(n=5)


Target: Roma_Balkans_(n=3)
Distance: 0.0076% / 0.00761131 | R5P
34.6 Bulgarian_(n=5)
31.4 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
11.7 Georgian_Kakh_(n=5)
11.2 Samaritan_(n=5)
11.1 Greek_Argolis_(n=16)


Target: Roma_Balkans_(n=3)
Distance: 0.0076% / 0.00758492 | R6P
34.5 Bulgarian_(n=5)
29.1 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
11.5 Samaritan_(n=5)
11.2 Greek_Argolis_(n=16)
9.3 Georgian_Laz_(n=18)
4.4 Sindhi_(n=5)


Target: Roma_Balkans_(n=3)
Distance: 0.0073% / 0.00733871 | R7P
24.9 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
23.0 Greek_Argolis_(n=16)
21.0 Bulgarian_(n=5)
10.5 Samaritan_(n=5)
9.9 Georgian_Kakh_(n=5)
7.5 Vellalar_(n=9)
3.2 Lithuanian_SZ_(n=10)

Would you be able to try my coordinates as well? Thanks :)

RR_scaled,0.091058,0.057885,-0.078818,0.01938,-0.022773,0.015897,-0.00329,0.003923,0.020248,0.02041,-0.000487,-0.001349,0.000892,0.012937,-0.013843,-0.001856,0.011735,0.001774,0.003142,0.007379,-0.002121,-0.003462,-0.001972,-0.003374,-0.000838

[Leto]

In this case, this would be a good calculator for Roma. It shows both Anatolian and Balkan heritage along with the South Asian. In my opinion, South Asian can vary from group to group. For instance, some tribes look very Indian while others resemble the European people more. From what I've seen most Balkan Roma are 30-50% Indian. Rural Balkan Roma, I have not seen their results but from their appearance, they give like 70% Indian. At the same time, European Roma can be as low as 20%.
Nah, 50%, let alone 70% is impossible in my opinion. Don't fall for the looks, someone who is 35% low caste Indian, 50% Greek and 15% Middle Eastern is not gonna be a Nordic or Slavic looking person.

Mortimer's mother looks Indian as a mofo and he's over 80% European being half Serbian.

[HerculesGB]

Nah, 50%, let alone 70% is impossible in my opinion. Don't fall for the looks, someone who is 35% low caste Indian, 50% Greek and 15% Middle Eastern is not gonna be a Nordic or Slavic looking person.

Mortimer's mother looks Indian as a mofo and he's over 80% European being half Serbian.

Well there must be something to it haha. For instance, in my family Indian phenotype is low. We have an East Mediterranean look. Although I am about 40% Indian. There are Germanic/Slavic looking people in my extended family too. :D

[Leto]

Well there must be something to it haha. For instance, in my family Indian phenotype is low. We have an East Mediterranean look. Although I am about 40% Indian. There are Germanic/Slavic looking people in my extended family too. :D
That is fascinating, though it always happens in mixed ethnic groups. Ashkenazi Jews, Turkic peoples, Latin Americans, etc.

[HerculesGB]

That is fascinating, though it always happens in mixed ethnic groups. Ashkenazi Jews, Turkic peoples, Latin Americans, etc.

Yes indeed. Many people think I am Algerian for some reason maybe because of the light skin and dark hair and eyes and long nose [emoji23]

My grandmother on my mom’s side had green-greyish eyes. Light beige skin and curly dark hair while her sister has blond hair and blue eyes pale pigmentation.

[DamCz]

If Ydna defines what we are better than autosomal, tell me what I am.

Y-DNA in many cases definitely seems related to the language people speak and also autosomal DNA. But not saying that's always the case. People identify with y-dna, autosomal, mtdna language, culture etc. or whatever they like.

[Feiichy]

You absolutely have significant Greek ancestry. AncestryDNA breakdown is very reliable and you get typical Greek components.

[HerculesGB]

You absolutely have significant Greek ancestry. AncestryDNA breakdown is very reliable and you get typical Greek components.

That’s good. Even though it’s not recent. I am basically Greek/Indian mutt genetically [emoji23]

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Would you be able to try my coordinates as well? Thanks :)

RR_scaled,0.091058,0.057885,-0.078818,0.01938,-0.022773,0.015897,-0.00329,0.003923,0.020248,0.02041,-0.000487,-0.001349,0.000892,0.012937,-0.013843,-0.001856,0.011735,0.001774,0.003142,0.007379,-0.002121,-0.003462,-0.001972,-0.003374,-0.000838

Sure!


Target: RR_scaled
Distance: 0.0193% / 0.01934816 | R2P
59.9 Greek_South_Tsakonia_(n=15)
40.1 Vellalar_(n=9)


Target: RR_scaled
Distance: 0.0182% / 0.01819767 | R3P
49.8 Greek_South_Tsakonia_(n=15)
37.4 Maratha_(n=7)
12.8 Iraqi_Jew_(n=6)


Target: RR_scaled
Distance: 0.0177% / 0.01770409 | R4P
51.2 Greek_South_Tsakonia_(n=15)
24.6 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
12.5 Vellalar_(n=9)
11.7 Iraqi_Jew_(n=6)


Target: RR_scaled
Distance: 0.0172% / 0.01716400 | R5P
42.8 Greek_Corinthia_(n=16)
24.6 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
15.3 Turkish_Trabzon_(n=22)
12.5 Vellalar_(n=9)
4.8 Yemenite_Mahra_(n=9)


Target: RR_scaled
Distance: 0.0170% / 0.01699537 | R6P
40.0 Greek_South_Tsakonia_(n=15)
26.4 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
10.6 Turkish_Trabzon_(n=22)
10.4 Vellalar_(n=9)
9.1 Samaritan_(n=5)
3.5 Lithuanian_VA_(n=10)


Target: RR_scaled
Distance: 0.0170% / 0.01699489 | R7P
40.4 Greek_South_Tsakonia_(n=15)
26.3 Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
10.7 Turkish_Trabzon_(n=22)
10.5 Vellalar_(n=9)
8.4 Samaritan_(n=5)
3.4 Lithuanian_VA_(n=10)
0.3 Yemenite_Mahra_(n=9)

[HerculesGB]

Sure!


Target: RR_scaled
Distance: 0.0193% / 0.01934816 | R2P
59.9Greek_South_Tsakonia_(n=15)
40.1Vellalar_(n=9)


Target: RR_scaled
Distance: 0.0182% / 0.01819767 | R3P
49.8Greek_South_Tsakonia_(n=15)
37.4Maratha_(n=7)
12.8Iraqi_Jew_(n=6)


Target: RR_scaled
Distance: 0.0177% / 0.01770409 | R4P
51.2Greek_South_Tsakonia_(n=15)
24.6Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
12.5Vellalar_(n=9)
11.7Iraqi_Jew_(n=6)


Target: RR_scaled
Distance: 0.0172% / 0.01716400 | R5P
42.8Greek_Corinthia_(n=16)
24.6Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
15.3Turkish_Trabzon_(n=22)
12.5Vellalar_(n=9)
4.8Yemenite_Mahra_(n=9)


Target: RR_scaled
Distance: 0.0170% / 0.01699537 | R6P
40.0Greek_South_Tsakonia_(n=15)
26.4Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
10.6Turkish_Trabzon_(n=22)
10.4Vellalar_(n=9)
9.1Samaritan_(n=5)
3.5Lithuanian_VA_(n=10)


Target: RR_scaled
Distance: 0.0170% / 0.01699489 | R7P
40.4Greek_South_Tsakonia_(n=15)
26.3Chamar_Uttar_Pradesh_(n=5)
10.7Turkish_Trabzon_(n=22)
10.5Vellalar_(n=9)
8.4Samaritan_(n=5)
3.4Lithuanian_VA_(n=10)
0.3Yemenite_Mahra_(n=9)

Thank you!

[mashail]

Obviously you are .

[Mortimer]

@HerculesGB

I think most roma score like you, i do too, but with more "balkan" because im nearly half serbian... I think most roma have some greek, i dont think you have a recent greek ancestor, maybe it is from their stay in the byzantine empire/turkey that they have anatolian, aegean etc.

Myheritage
EUROPA
Griechisch und Süditalienisch
48,5%
Balkanbewohner
11,0%
Kroatien, Bosnien und Herzegowina und Serbien (Vojvodina)
Osteuropäer
8,8%
Italiener
6,4%
Balte
5,0%
ASIEN
Südasiate
19,1%
Zentralasiate
1,2%
WEITERE GENETISCHE GRUPPEN
Roma in Rumänien, Serbien (Vojvodina) und Ungarn
Ungarn
Ungarn, Slowakei, Tschechien und Rumänien

23andme
https://i.ibb.co/jDJVWJJ/Screenshot-2024-02-19-074141.png (https://ibb.co/JH3xy33)

So you probably do have greek ancestry, but like majority of roma, you do not have a recent greek ancestor i think you are hundred percent roma

[HerculesGB]

@HerculesGB

I think most roma score like you, i do too, but with more "balkan" because im nearly half serbian... I think most roma have some greek, i dont think you have a recent greek ancestor, maybe it is from their stay in the byzantine empire/turkey that they have anatolian, aegean etc.

Myheritage
EUROPA
Griechisch und Süditalienisch
48,5%
Balkanbewohner
11,0%
Kroatien, Bosnien und Herzegowina und Serbien (Vojvodina)
Osteuropäer
8,8%
Italiener
6,4%
Balte
5,0%
ASIEN
Südasiate
19,1%
Zentralasiate
1,2%
WEITERE GENETISCHE GRUPPEN
Roma in Rumänien, Serbien (Vojvodina) und Ungarn
Ungarn
Ungarn, Slowakei, Tschechien und Rumänien

23andme
https://i.ibb.co/jDJVWJJ/Screenshot-2024-02-19-074141.png (https://ibb.co/JH3xy33)

So you probably do have greek ancestry, but like majority of roma, you do not have a recent greek ancestor i think you are hundred percent roma

My heritage is not reliable mate. I know I don’t have a recent Greek ancestry yet on ancestry and G25 I score more Greek than you or other Roma samples. And this is because my tribe has more Byzantine mix.

[Mortimer]

My heritage is not reliable mate. I know I don’t have a recent Greek ancestry yet on ancestry and G25 I score more Greek than you or other Roma samples. And this is because my tribe has more Byzantine mix.

That is possible, Im more southasian shifted roma, my family is also very dark brown i was surprised im that much european, i thought i would be less european. Impalers dad seems to be a half gypsy too, and he is more middle eastern shifted, and less southasian shifted then my gypsy side. Maybe some gypsies have a different mix, that is nothing new, gypsies are described as "diverse" they are more "diverse" then europeans are to eatch other. There also gypsies who have northern european ancestry too, like the swedish and norwegian travellers.

[black hole]

If Ydna defines what we are better than autosomal, tell me what I am.




You are R1a (a steppe Aryan man), and it is enough.

[Impaler]

Distance: 1.9041% / 0.01904059
46.2 Anatolia_Byz
35.6 Roma
15.0 Balkan
3.0 Georgian
0.2 Noise

Would this way the "Roma" sample correspond to the Indian ancestry only?

Target: Impaler_Father
Distance: 1.6337% / 0.01633666
65.2 Balkan
14.0 Anatolia_Byz
12.8 Roma
8.0 Georgian

[gixajo]

You are R1a (a steppe Aryan man), and it is enough.

I am not any steppe Aryan man, no one can be something like that anymore. Those people disappeared thousands of years ago.

I am Spanish, I am the result of different waves of different people. And you the same, only in different proportions and most of those inputs are shared.

And those who do not know how to accept reality live in fantasy worlds.

[Leto]

You are R1a (a steppe Aryan man), and it is enough.
He has nothing to do with us, nor does he have any fondness for us. His unusual Y DNA is just a fucking accident.

[Leto]

Target: Impaler_Father
Distance: 1.6337% / 0.01633666
65.2 Balkan
14.0 Anatolia_Byz
12.8 Roma
8.0 Georgian
Interesting, your dad is quite literally 1/8 Indian which is not a lot IMO.

[Impaler]

Interesting, your dad is quite literally 1/8 Indian which is not a lot IMO.

I guess he belongs to other tribe, more Caucasian/West Asian mixed. My father's subclade is just 2 mutation distant to a Tusheti from northeast Georgia.
Look here on the Ingush DNA Project:
https://i.ibb.co/DK1Hs24/Screenshot-20240223-183426-2.png (https://ibb.co/ggrLHKy)
https://i.ibb.co/2Pq8RC2/Screenshot-20240223-183807-2.png (https://ibb.co/7VvgBZc)

[Leto]

I guess he belongs to other tribe, more Caucasian/West Asian mixed. My father's subclade is just 2 mutation distant to a Tusheti from northeast Georgia.
Look here on the Ingush DNA Project:
[url=https://ibb.co/ggrLHKy][img]https://i.ibb.co/DK1Hs24/Screenshot-20240223-183426-2.png
[url=https://ibb.co/7VvgBZc][img]https://i.ibb.co/2Pq8RC2/Screenshot-20240223-183807-2.png
Very interesting, your Y DNA appears to be legit Caucasian. Though I don't know what the Roma have to do with Georgia or Ingushetia. Must be something ancient.