View Full Version : Are Gulf Arabs Fully Caucasoid?
Gohenk
02-20-2024, 12:40 AM
I have read a comment pointing that most Yemenis are fully caucasoid.
I would like to know if that is true only for Yemenis or if other Gulf Arabs like Saudis and Emiratis are fully caucasoid as well.
Italicus
02-20-2024, 02:16 AM
In the Najd region, yes.
Smeagol
02-21-2024, 09:11 AM
First of all, Yemenis are not Gulf Arabs.
Second, all pure Arabs are Caucasoids but there have been foreign elements imported into the Gulf over the centuries as well.
Jingle Bell
02-21-2024, 09:30 AM
Mostly yes, but NE African or some AASI input is not rare also, but thinking that even the "purest" ones are mostly Natufian-based (Natufian is basically Dzud + IberoMaurisian) they have some old SSA-like/ANA admixture).
Most are clearly not, especially Yemen and Oman. But even their Caucasoid component is pretty brown. They have practically no European ancestry unlike the Levant.
Zanzibar
02-22-2024, 01:43 PM
Mostly yes, but NE African or some AASI input is not rare also, but thinking that even the "purest" ones are mostly Natufian-based (Natufian is basically Dzud + IberoMaurisian) they have some old SSA-like/ANA admixture).
Yup even the purest Saudians, Bedouins, Yemenis (without recent SSA input) still have around 10-12% native African (mainly ANA) ancestry from their Natufian forebears.
Smeagol
02-23-2024, 12:15 PM
Most are clearly not, especially Yemen and Oman.
You're mistaking the descendants of slaves for real Arabs. Highland Yemenis for example show almost no Negroid traits.
Östsvensk
02-23-2024, 01:22 PM
Virtually all Muslim Arabs have SSA admixture, and that's why they pull away from Europeans on a PCA:
http://faculty.scs.illinois.edu/~mcdonald/PCA84pops.html
Estimated SSA admixture:
K14_temp - Google Sheets
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bGL1TB2n6H6y6y6Q95UyMTrix3OWYm2Q5YFgJfgs_kc/htmlview#gid=0
Syrians 1.9%
Palestinians 2.7%
Jordanians 6.5%
Egyptians 9%
Moroccan 14.9%
Algerians 15.7%
Eurogenes K8 103 Selected Population Averages - Google Drive
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml
Lebanese Muslim 4.02%
Syrians 5.78%
Saudi 7.07%
Palestinians 8.55%
Egyptians 17.71%
Moroccan 20.44%
Zanzibar
02-23-2024, 01:30 PM
Mostly yes, but NE African or some AASI input is not rare also, but thinking that even the "purest" ones are mostly Natufian-based (Natufian is basically Dzud + IberoMaurisian) they have some old SSA-like/ANA admixture).
To further add to the comment, Levantines including Samaritans and Mesopotamians/indigenous Iraqis have some amounts of indigenous African ancestry as well (in the range of 3-6% ANA) from their Natufian-related components but not as much as "pure" tribal Arabs have. Heck, even Cypriots seems to have 1-2% ANA likely from their Levantine input.
Ancient Egyptians (without recent Nilotic or West African/Bantu admixture) also seem to be around 10-13% indigenous African input (ANA) although I have seen one sample who is around 16-17% African (Nakht Ankh individual who seem to have additional Nilotic input (from mixing with Nubians?)) as they are also mostly Natufian-derived just like Peninsular Arabs are.
Natufians were around 12-14% ANA on average which put them at around at leaast 30% Iberomaurusian. They likely receive this gene flow from mixing with Taforalt-like populations somewhere in Northeast Africa (Egypt-Sudan) before migrating to the Near East and becoming progenitors of most MENAs.
Gohenk
02-26-2024, 12:23 AM
First of all, Yemenis are not Gulf Arabs.
Second, all pure Arabs are Caucasoids but there have been foreign elements imported into the Gulf over the centuries as well.
I apologize for the mistake
First of all, Yemenis are not Gulf Arabs.
Second, all pure Arabs are Caucasoids but there have been foreign elements imported into the Gulf over the centuries as well.
If he means the Arabians in general, then yes, the Yemenis are Gulf Arabs.
Virtually all Muslim Arabs have SSA admixture, and that's why they pull away from Europeans on a PCA:
http://faculty.scs.illinois.edu/~mcdonald/PCA84pops.html
Estimated SSA admixture:
K14_temp - Google Sheets
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bGL1TB2n6H6y6y6Q95UyMTrix3OWYm2Q5YFgJfgs_kc/htmlview#gid=0
Syrians 1.9%
Palestinians 2.7%
Jordanians 6.5%
Egyptians 9%
Moroccan 14.9%
Algerians 15.7%
Eurogenes K8 103 Selected Population Averages - Google Drive
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml
Lebanese Muslim 4.02%
Syrians 5.78%
Saudi 7.07%
Palestinians 8.55%
Egyptians 17.71%
Moroccan 20.44%
I don't think Syrians are 5% and Palestinians are 8% African on average. Sure some areas might be more mixed but not the countries as a whole.
Smeagol
02-26-2024, 02:57 PM
If he means the Arabians in general, then yes, the Yemenis are Gulf Arabs.
No. Look at a map. Yemen does not border the Persian Gulf.
Östsvensk
02-26-2024, 05:00 PM
I don't think Syrians are 5% and Palestinians are 8% African on average. Sure some areas might be more mixed but not the countries as a whole.
I'm aware of that there are supposed to be Lebanese Muslims who have no or negligible SSA admixture. Syrians, I do not know, but I guess they don't differ much from the Lebanese. When it comes to Palestinians, the 'old families' might lack SSA admix. I'm no expert, but some say that many modern-day Palestinians descend from Arabs who settled there from other parts of the Arab world and in Gaza they are heavily Egyptian etc.
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