Classify and passify these Serbian young people

[Hungarian_master]

https://ekonomskapirot.rs/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/MATURANTI-EKONOMSKE-SKOLE-20163.jpg

[Sorab12]

Few of them got foreign surnames like the third guy in the first line and forth guy in the last line is Albanian or Gorani .From which town are they

[aherne]

Strongly mixed with Slavic. Something like 40-50% Slav, 50-60% Albanian...

[dviz]

Strongly mixed with Slavic. Something like 40-50% Slav, 50-60% Albanian...

Serbians didn't mix much with Albanians. They share phenotypical traits because both populations have a native Balkanite background (that is larger in Albanians), and have the same environmental/cultural pressures.

[Dušan]

Few of them got foreign surnames like the third guy in the first line and forth guy in the last line is Albanian or Gorani .From which town are they

Guy in last line (Elvis Šaćiri) is Gorani or Albanian by name and surname, the rest are Serbs.

On link of photo it is written Ekonomska škola from Pirot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirot

[Far_away]

Strongly mixed with Slavic. Something like 40-50% Slav, 50-60% Albanian...

lol

[Sorab12]

Guy in last line (Elvis Šaćiri) is Gorani or Albanian by name and surname, the rest are Serbs.

On link of photo it is written Ekonomska škola from Pirot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirot

That surname Vintonjak sounded Ukrainian or sort .Heres a folklore group from Pirot
https://iili.io/JGTGYgt.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)

[Scarface F]

iI'll classify each of them for fun from left to right:

First row: 1. Balkan Borreby 2. Gorid + North Pontid 3. Dinaro-Med 4. Atlantid, slightly alpinised 5. Alpine/Med, slightly dinarised

Second row: 1. Carpathid 2. Balkan Borreby, slight dinarid 3. Gorid with slight East Med 4. North Pontid + Dinaric 5. North Pontid + Baltid

Third row: 1. Gorid 2. Baltid + Dinaric 3. exotic, Turanid influence 4. Dinaro-Med + slight Balkan Borreby 5. Alpinid + Balkan Borreby

Fourth row: 1. Gracile Med 2. Dinaric 3. Alpinid, slight Dinaric 4. Alpine + North Pontid 5. Alpinised East Med with slight Dinaric

Fifth row: Sub-Nordid 2. Sub-Nordid 3. East Baltic/Neo-Daubian 4. Atlanto-Med 5. Baltid

Sixth row: 1. Balkan Borreby + Turanid 2. Dinaro-Pontid + Indic, looks (part) Roma 3. North Pontid + some West Baltid 4. Carpathid 5. Dinaric

[Dušan]

That surname Vintonjak sounded Ukrainian or sort .Heres a folklore group from Pirot
https://iili.io/JGTGYgt.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)

But his name Jovan is exclusivelly Serbian.

[Dardanos]

Beside elvis they look very serbian, elvis has strong albanian features (big heart shaped head)

[Varda]

But his name Jovan is exclusivelly Serbian.

According to this Croatian source surname Vintonjak is Ukrainian https://actacroatica.com/en/surname/Vintonjak/

Yea, his name is typical Serbian. He is obviously Serb with Rusyn paternal line.

[Dušan]

According to this Croatian source surname Vintonjak is Ukrainian https://actacroatica.com/en/surname/Vintonjak/

Yea, his name is typical Serbian. He is obviously Serb with Rusyn paternal line.

I found that surname here, in Čelinac municipality near Banja Luka


Vintonjak (Nn) Dmitar, rođen 1912. Srbin, ubijen 1944. u direktnom teroru, Nepoznato (2620034008)


https://www.makroekonomija.org/poreklo-stanovnistva/celinacki-kraj-republika-srpska/#:~:text=Vintonjak%20(Nn)%20Dmitar%2C%20ro%C4%91en %201912.%20Srbin%2C%20ubijen%201944.%20u%20direktn om%20teroru%2C%20Nepoznato

There indeed were some Rusyn colonists from Austro-Hungarian period, but here is written mentioned man is Serb.

[Varda]

Beside elvis they look very serbian, elvis has strong albanian features (big heart shaped head)

Albanian owner of one bakery here where i live have simarities with him, but he is older.

[Jankec]

@Dušan, these lists are often twiglight zone. Maybe this person never existed, who knows.

I would expect more Bulgarian surnames in Pirot, I only mentioned Anđela Georgijev.

[Varda]

Except guy from sixth row with Albanian surname, 3 girls have Bulgarian type of surnames. First row girl no4 (Aneđala Georgijev), fourh row girl no3 (Milijana Rangelov) and sixth row girl no5 (Stefana Andonov). But they have Serbian names.

Rapper Dalibor Andonov 'Gru' and singer Vlado Georgijev both are of Bulgarian origin from Dimitrovgrad which is near Pirot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gru_(rapper)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlado_Georgijev

[Dušan]

@Dušan, these lists are often twiglight zone. Maybe this person never existed, who knows.

I would expect more Bulgarian surnames in Pirot, I only mentioned Anđela Georgijev.

Bulgarian are less than 1% of total population in Pirot.

Ethnic group Population %
Serbs 53,232 91.89%
Romani 2,576 4.45%
Bulgarians 549 0.95%
Gorani 80 0.14%
Macedonians 67 0.12%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirot#Ethnic_groups

[Jankec]

But many people have Bulgarian ancestry there. Nikola Pašić's parents allegedly consider themselves Bulgarians.

[Dušan]

But many people have Bulgarian ancestry there. Nikola Pašić's parents allegedly consider themselves Bulgarians.

They are Serbs like any other.

That area suffered a lot during Bulgarian ocupation in WW1.

[Jankec]

I agree.:wink

[Varda]

But many people have Bulgarian ancestry there. Nikola Pašić's parents allegedly consider themselves Bulgarians.

Serbs and Bulgarians from part of SE Serbia and western Bulgaria are both Shopi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopi
In parts which became part of Serbia in 1878. locals are Serbs, and in the part which belonged to Bulgarian they are Bulgarians. In Dimitrovgrad and Bosilegrad majority are Bulgarians because Serbia/Yugoslavia got these places in 1919, they were part of Bulgaria some period before that.

[Varda]

If for example Serbia took Sofia in 1878. locals would be Serbs, and if Bulgaria took Niš in that period inhabitants of Niš would probably start to identify themselves as Bulgarians.

[Varda]

They are Serbs like any other.

That area suffered a lot during Bulgarian ocupation in WW1.


I agree.:wink

https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/niski-sandzak-u-prvoj-polovini-xix-veka.992417/#post-48410257

[Jankec]

There are similar cases everywhere.

[Sorab12]

Many Serbs from SE Serbia got through the process of Bulgarisation regarding their surnames .Varda comrade ,some Shop nationalists claim they are the purest Serbs which coincides with i cant remember which ethnologist or ethnographer .But i find it meaningless since the post ww2 period .
These are Serbs from mostly rural areas of southeastern Serbia
https://iili.io/JG7dVa9.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)
https://iili.io/JG7djTb.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)
https://iili.io/JG7dPwJ.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)

[Pepa]

On row 4 Number 5 he looks like one of my maternal cousins but my cousin is lighter

[Scarface F]

Many Serbs from SE Serbia got through the process of Bulgarisation regarding their surnames .Varda comrade ,some Shop nationalists claim they are the purest Serbs which coincides with i cant remember which ethnologist or ethnographer .But i find it meaningless since the post ww2 period .
These are Serbs from mostly rural areas of southeastern Serbia
https://iili.io/JG7dVa9.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)
https://iili.io/JG7djTb.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)
https://iili.io/JG7dPwJ.jpg (https://freeimage.host/)

Your pictures are extremely overexposed. Are you lightening them in photosop?

I know you did that with your old account Starina Novak.

[Universe]

Milana Kostic (or whatever her name is) looks so much like my high school classmate it's scary.

[Sorab12]

Your pictures are extremely overexposed. Are you lightening them in photosop?

I know you did that with your old account Starina Novak.

I played a bit with shadows and color balance but you must agree that the pics look natural in proper lighting .

[Roy]

Beside elvis they look very serbian, elvis has strong albanian features (big heart shaped head)

I agree. They're actually pretty light.

Most common phenotypes in thay class are Dinaric, Noric and Neo-Danubian.

[Roy]

Your pictures are extremely overexposed. Are you lightening them in photosop?

I know you did that with your old account Starina Novak.

I mean some Serbs would go to great lenghts to show how ''light'' and ''Slavic looking'' Serbs are, lol. Photos of Serbs in poorly illuminated rooms are a no, no.

[Sorab12]

I mean some Serbs would go to great lenghts to show how ''light'' and ''Slavic looking'' Serbs are, lol. Photos of Serbs in poorly illuminated rooms are a no, no.

I edited only first picture and it took me less than a minute in ps , so for me it isnt some lenght or great effort .Its like a hobby more of to tweek photos in camera raw or photoshop .

[Mortimer]

They do not look exotic to me, they look like normal serbs, most of them or nearly no one even has black hair, most of them have brown hair some even blondish. I dont see whats wrong with them, only by name elvis squakiri is probably albanian descendant

[Tooting Carmen]

They look distinctly, well, South Slav. (Quelle surprise!)