Names for a new arrival to the English nation.

[Beorn]

I have been looking over names to give to my child to arrive for some time, and have yet to even give myself a 'top ten' with which to barter with on the table with my partner. I have been using sites with (what I hope) are majority English names, but have noticed a lot seem to include non-English names.

The two I have been working off are:

http://www.regia.org/members/names.htm#SMB

and

http://tekeli.li/onomastikon/England-Saxon/Dithematic.html

I am at a loss as to which names I can choose. I am like a baby in a sweet shop. I have narrowed three names at best, but would like more.

Dunstan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunstan) and Oswiu/Oswi/Osweald/Oswald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswiu_of_Northumbria) and Beorn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beorn).

I'm stuck for ideas. Any input would be welcome, but I would hope it remains by nature Anglo-Saxon in origin. :)

[Logan]

I wouldn't be of much help as I always liked Hans or Angus. :D

I'd pull a few from the mum add them to my best, and make the best compromise with her. :wink

[Osweo]

Oswiu/Oswi/Osweald/Oswald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswiu_of_Northumbria)
Don't you dare! :clap: By the way, Oswy with a Y is the accepted modernised form, and is not particularly difficult to say, indeed. I believe there were some Os- kings of Hwicce, so the name is not UNknown down your way.

Oswald is easiest on everyone else, and incidentally commemorates a certain great Knight and Baron of Ancoats that a son could do worse than to emulate... ;)

Dunstan is a very solid name, I think.

For other options, I'll photo a few pages of a book I have tomorrow, if I remember. :)

[Supreme American]

Dunstan is pretty cool.

[Beorn]

Don't you dare! :clap:

I seem to recall it being why I joined these sort of forums. :D

[Logan]

I don't know about Oswald. Most people would recall another Oswald. I'd as well keep in mind how names tend to be shortened by mates. Name him William, and it's likely a Will, Willy or Bill. :)

[Gaztelu]

William and Henry are nice names for your child.

[Beorn]

I don't know about Oswald. Most people would recall another Oswald. I'd as well keep in mind how names tend to be shortened by mates. Name him William, and it's likely a Will, Willy or Bill. :)

Very true. I did have a thought for the name 'Cerdic', but obviously that name soon becomes 'Sir Dick' :(

[Osweo]

Very true. I did have a thought for the name 'Cerdic', but obviously that name soon becomes 'Sir Dick' :(

Well, it owuld have ended up like 'Cherdich' if it had survived in modern English, actually. That's what's good about these pages I mentioned; they provide a modern form, which is usually quite NORMAL sounding :D

[Osweo]

I don't know about Oswald. Most people would recall another Oswald.

Um, that's precisely why I am considering it for my potential son. :shrug:

[AussieScott]

Robert is a grand name. :D

[Barreldriver]

Can't go wrong with Talford, tis what my great grandpappy was named. :p It's supposedly a variation of Telford.

[Logan]

For other options, I'll photo a few pages of a book I have tomorrow, if I remember. :)

I'd certainly have a gander.

In your line of thinking, my last thought, you might do with the name of the best of Gods, Thor. Not uncommon in some places.

[rhiannon]

I have been looking over names to give to my child to arrive for some time, and have yet to even give myself a 'top ten' with which to barter with on the table with my partner. I have been using sites with (what I hope) are majority English names, but have noticed a lot seem to include non-English names.

The two I have been working off are:

http://www.regia.org/members/names.htm#SMB

and

http://tekeli.li/onomastikon/England-Saxon/Dithematic.html

I am at a loss as to which names I can choose. I am like a baby in a sweet shop. I have narrowed three names at best, but would like more.

Dunstan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunstan) and Oswiu/Oswi/Osweald/Oswald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswiu_of_Northumbria) and Beorn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beorn).

I'm stuck for ideas. Any input would be welcome, but I would hope it remains by nature Anglo-Saxon in origin. :)

Good luck, Blackbeard. This is always the hard part. We were lucky that I found out I was having a son after the 15week amnio was done. We had lots of time to pick out a name....and we settled on the name Derek for its strong, Germanic character.

That one organization that recreates the Early Middle Age's version of England looks fascinating to me:)

[Turkey]

Herbert

[The Ripper]

Oswald is auspicious name, and would be a tribute to both Osweo of TA and the less known Oswald Mosley. ;)

[Treffie]

Dunstan is a cool name, also like Oswald which was my granddad's name/father's middle name.

[Amarantine]

Archibald ;) & Angus, Barnaby and Gilbert.

[Der Steinadler]

depends on what it is!

[rhiannon]

Dunstan is a cool name, also like Oswald which was my granddad's name/father's middle name.

I would be partial to Dunstan:)

[Sylvanus]

I suggest the Reginald. However the oldnorse form of this the Rögnvaldr is more cool but a little bit daring nowadays. :)

[Germanicus]

How about Mohammad, giving your child that name would be a typically British nowadays, plus he won't feel abnormal with his classmates at school??

[Turkey]

I found out last night that all the Saxon names died out not long after the conquering by the normans.

We stopped calling ourselves Ethelred etc and started the Williams, Edwards etc.

I suppose everyone copied the Norman ruling class.

[Osweo]

Um... I'll scan it tomorrow... :o I was painting a second floor external wall till it got dark today. And quite a while while it WAS dark. :D

Anyway, people are forgetting this requirement;

Anglo-Saxon in origin. :)
- No Normans need apply! :nono:



I suggest the Reginald. However the oldnorse form of this the Rögnvaldr is more cool but a little bit daring nowadays. :)
Norse/Norman. We do have the more familiar Ronald, mind. A distant cousin of mine who fell in the Great War had the variant Reynold (which actually goes VERY well with my surname... :chin: Hmm!).

The English would have been Raegnwald.

Robert is a grand name. :D
Frankish/Norman. Hrothbeorht is a possible English form though.

Thor. Not uncommon in some places.
Places far from Somerset, mind!

I've never been comfortable with the idea of giving a blatant God's name. And I'm sick to death of Freyas. :tsk:

Herbert
A shame the way this has fallen from grace. Herebeorht! A gleaming army! There was a saint of the name who lived on an island in the Lake District...

Archibald ;) & Angus, Barnaby and Gilbert.
Eorcenbald! Angus is Gaelic. Barnaby... well, it looks like a placename (Bjarni's village), but is probably a Biblical Barnabas. Gilbert is Norman.

[Turkey]

A shame the way this has fallen from grace. Herebeorht! A gleaming army! There was a saint of the name who lived on an island in the Lake District... My grand mothers maiden name was Herbert. A lot of the English names are considered poofy now which sux.E.g. Erwin

And the silliest of all Gertrude

It's a shame.

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[heyaitsme]

Dunstan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunstan) and Oswiu/Oswi/Osweald/Oswald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswiu_of_Northumbria) and Beorn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beorn).




Not to offend... but is your wife OK with those names!?!?

[Óttar]

Osborn. Norse Asa 'a god' Born - Bjorn 'Man.' :nod:

Sure is better than 'He kills.' :rolleyes:

[Osweo]

Osborn. Norse Asa 'a god' Born - Bjorn 'Man.' :nod:

Asbjorn is Norse, but Osbeorn is a fine English name. ;) I just hope it being the surname of the present LibDem Chancellor of the Exchequer doesn't put people off from this venerable name. :eek:

[Beorn]

depends on what it is!

It is a boy.


Not to offend... but is your wife OK with those names!?!?

She is taking to the name Dunstan. She doesn't mind me giving my boys Anglo-Saxon names (she gets the girls) aslong as it isn't too obscure and difficult to pronounce.




Sure is better than 'He kills.' :rolleyes:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/qu%C3%A4len

:thumb001:

[Troll's Puzzle]

My grand mothers maiden name was Herbert. A lot of the English names are considered poofy now which sux.E.g. Erwin

And the silliest of all Gertrude

It's a shame.



I don't think old English names are considered poofy. I wouldn't consider Erwin a poofy. Gertrude, OK it sounds silly today, as does Egbert and other Egg's. But, a lot of blicks from jamaica etc have struttin' anglo names like Winston (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=winston%20rodney&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBurning _Spear&ei=b17rTs36Ju7R4QSr6ozkCA&usg=AFQjCNFJ6oeEhIva_EmaFvqJXamDbVH7XQ&cad=rja), Oswald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozwald_Boateng), Reginald (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0081c6m), and so on. Actually, most people I can think of with such today names are blick. While English boys have genuinely poofie names like Alfie or Harry or Charlie. They aren't even full names, yet those 3 are in the top 10. I think it's kind of (sadly) appropriate that blacks take the more bombastic Anglo-names, while ours get ghey sounding abbreviations. That should change. :(

Re. Cedric, I always liked the name :D I didn't think of 'Sir Dick' though... and it sounds a touch old (but not too old)... but at least he could a flash motor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Cedric) with his name already on it :P


anyway... how about Æthelwulfherewerweo? :icon_ask:

[billErobreren]

Osborn. Norse Asa 'a god' Born - Bjorn 'Man.' :nod:

Sure is better than 'He kills.' :rolleyes:

I love Asa:thumb001: yeah go with that one

[Barreldriver]

Thought I'd send out some more names for suggestion, all names that belonged to ancestors and other relatives, some of them are last names as we were oft to recycle maiden names as first names and middle names. :p

Dunno if ye want your kid to sound all hee haw or not.

Buchanan (we spelled it Buchannon because we're twits at times), Bluford, Commer/Comer (we pronounced the "o" like "ow" in tow or the "oe" in toe), Clifford, Arvil, Delbert, Lear, and Melvin. :D

[Germanicus]

I found out last night that all the Saxon names died out not long after the conquering by the normans.

We stopped calling ourselves Ethelred etc and started the Williams, Edwards etc.

I suppose everyone copied the Norman ruling class.

Not at all, my Paternal grandfather was called Alfred.

My maternal grandfather was called Sydney.
Sydney name origin.
As with many English surnames, from the name of a place where an ancestor came from: Anglo-Saxon [æt þǣre] sīdan īege = "[at the] wide island/watermeadow

[Osweo]

I love Asa:thumb001: yeah go with that one

Or Asi... That's a good Norse one. < Ansuwihaz in Common Germanic.

... incidentally, it ended up Osweo in English mouths... :D


Anyroad, I took a pic of those pages. It's from Reaney and Wilson's English surname book, so it only shows English names that survived AS a surname. Interestingly, there are some (with an asterix) that are known from no other source (you get this with placenames too, occasionally).

What I like about it, is that the names have been shaped by time, and thus sound very normal to our modern ear. Aethelthryth looks a bit intimidating, but ground down into 'Audrey' it's fine!
Here they are;
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/3836/20111216194215.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/93/20111216194228.jpg
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4922/20111216194240.jpg
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/8268/20111216194252.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1438/20111216194309.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7310/20111216194327.jpg
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/1738/20111216194547.jpg
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/6096/20111216194554.jpg

The order may be a bit mixed up, but you can see the page numbers. :)

Some that definitely need resurrecting are Warman and Whiteman... Badcock would be a great conversation opener.

Blackman could be left in oblivion, mind... ;)

[Aemma]

William and Henry are nice names for your child.

No red-blooded Englishman in his right mind would call his child William! Are you daft?

[Osweo]

No red-blooded Englishman in his right mind would call his child William! Are you daft?

Famous Williams.
My great grandad from Northumberland.
My great great grandad from Blackburnshire.
My great great great grandad from County Durham.
FOUR of my great great great great grandads from Warwickshire, Oxfordshire, Durham and Cheshire.

Of course, these are not from the Norman French Guilelm/Guillaume but from native English forms like Wilhelm, Wighelm and so on... ;)

[Aemma]

I have been looking over names to give to my child to arrive for some time, and have yet to even give myself a 'top ten' with which to barter with on the table with my partner. I have been using sites with (what I hope) are majority English names, but have noticed a lot seem to include non-English names.

The two I have been working off are:

http://www.regia.org/members/names.htm#SMB

and

http://tekeli.li/onomastikon/England-Saxon/Dithematic.html

I am at a loss as to which names I can choose. I am like a baby in a sweet shop. I have narrowed three names at best, but would like more.

Dunstan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunstan) and Oswiu/Oswi/Osweald/Oswald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswiu_of_Northumbria) and Beorn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beorn).

I'm stuck for ideas. Any input would be welcome, but I would hope it remains by nature Anglo-Saxon in origin. :)

Although of the three I do have a preference for Dunstan, I would be afraid that children would shorten it to "dunce". You know how cruel kids can be. :/ Beorn is alright but people might always be inclined to spelling it with a "j".

What about the name Athelstan?

[Beorn]

Although of the three I do have a preference for Dunstan, I would be afraid that children would shorten it to "dunce".

You know, I was thinking that whilst picking the kids up. I was thinking about changing it to Drustan instead, but whilst it would keep the better half happy, it would not be an Anglo-Saxon name.


Beorn is alright but people might always be inclined to spelling it with a "j".

True. It doesn't help that a Google search of the name brings up hundreds of pages of some racist dude on teh netz. :D



What about the name Athelstan?

I have a son with a name that begins with an 'A', so that would be the first reason for a no, but the second would be the simple cruelty of kids turning it into 'ethel'. :(

The name really does have to be solid from all attacks. :D

[Scrapple]

How about Edward after your forum nick. It is a proper Anglo-Saxon name.



From the Old English Eádweard; a compound name composed of the elements "ead" (riches, prosperity, fortune) and "weard" (guardian, protector). Hence: 'protector of the riches, inheritance', or maybe 'rich guardian', 'fortunate protector'.

[Aemma]

You know, I was thinking that whilst picking the kids up. I was thinking about changing it to Drustan instead, but whilst it would keep the better half happy, it would not be an Anglo-Saxon name.



True. It doesn't help that a Google search of the name brings up hundreds of pages of some racist dude on teh netz. :D




I have a son with a name that begins with an 'A', so that would be the first reason for a no, but the second would be the simple cruelty of kids turning it into 'ethel'. :(

The name really does have to be solid from all attacks. :D

Don't do Drustan. Then when he comes to America he'll be called Dristan, a cold remedy. :( Not much better.

Yeah "ethel"... :(

It's back to the old drawing board I guess.

[Beorn]

How about Edward after your forum nick. It is a proper Anglo-Saxon name.

Certainly a great and respectable name. I could call him 'the hammer' as a nickname :D

But, I am looking for an obscure name ultimately.

[Aemma]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! How about the simple yet elegant name: Saxon. It's perfect!

[Electronic God-Man]

Or Asi

Anyroad, I took a pic of those pages. It's from Reaney and Wilson's English surname book, so it only shows English names that survived AS a surname. Interestingly, there are some (with an asterix) that are known from no other source (you get this with placenames too, occasionally).



Cool! I have some family named Topping, apparently a derivative of AS Tæppa. :cool:

[Aemma]

Right then, screw the name Saxon. :D How about Wulfric? He could go by "Ric[k]" for short. Not so bad.

[Osweo]

Cool! I have some family named Topping, apparently a derivative of AS Tæppa. :cool:

:p I was going to deflate your sails with the comment that 'topping' is also just a term for a hill (see Roseberry Topping - which was once known as Odinsberg, mind :D ), but the dictionary doesn't mention this. Perhaps topographical 'topping' is quite a recent term... :chin:

It does mention that it can be from Norse too. The clincher would be where in England they were from.

anyway;

top (1)
"highest point," O.E. top "summit, crest, tuft," from P.Gmc. *tuppaz (cf. O.N. toppr "tuft of hair," O.Fris. top "tuft," O.Du. topp, Du. top, O.H.G. zopf "end, tip, tuft of hair," Ger. Zopf "tuft of hair"); no certain connections outside Germanic except a few Romanic words probably borrowed from Germanic. Few IE languages have a word so generic, which can be used of the upper part or surface of just about anything. More typical is German, which has Spitze for sharp peaks (mountains), oberfläche for the upper surface of flat things (such as a table). The verb meaning "put a top on" is from 1580s; the meaning "be higher or greater than" is first recorded 1580s. To top off "finish" is colloquial from 1836; top-hat is from 1881; topper "the best (of anything)" first recorded in slang, 1709; topping "top layer" is first attested 1839. Top-heavy is first attested 1530s. Top dog first attested 1900; top-drawer (1920) is from British expression out of the top drawer "upper-class." Topless "bare-breasted" first recorded 1966 (earlier it was used of men's bathing suits, 1937); tops "the best" is from 1935.
Gut, ja, Herr Zupfung? :D

Hmm, TAPlow (http://www.taplow.org.uk/)is a famous barrow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taplow_burial)that should interest you. A possible royal ancestor, indeed. ;)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Taplow_drinking_horns.jpg

[Peasant]

I will ironically name my future poverty stricken sprogs as Edgar, Edwin, Edith and Edward.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Osbert and Egbert are two semi-archaic names I remember from childhood.


Egbert \e-gbe-rt, eg-bert\ as a boy's name is of Old English origin, and the meaning of Egbert is "bright, famous sword". Name of two eight-century English saints and a ninth-century king of Wessex. The name was revived in the 19th century.

For more information, see also the related name Bert.

A baby name that sounds like Egbert is Akbar. Other similar baby names are Elbert, Ebert and Edbert.

View a list of the 2 names that reference Egbert.

http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Egbert

List of Old English names here:

http://www.thinkbabynames.com/search/1/english

[rhiannon]

You know, I was thinking that whilst picking the kids up. I was thinking about changing it to Drustan instead, but whilst it would keep the better half happy, it would not be an Anglo-Saxon name.


Call him Dunstan and then put him in your choice of an appropriate self-defense or martial arts course so he can beat the tar out of any kids that insult his name:thumb001:

[Jarl]

How about Edward after your forum nick. It is a proper Anglo-Saxon name.

Yeah. Thats good. Or Edmund. Something more classic.

[Electronic God-Man]

:p I was going to deflate your sails with the comment that 'topping' is also just a term for a hill (see Roseberry Topping - which was once known as Odinsberg, mind :D ), but the dictionary doesn't mention this. Perhaps topographical 'topping' is quite a recent term... :chin:

It does mention that it can be from Norse too. The clincher would be where in England they were from.

Apparently, they were from around Totternhoe and Dunstable, Bedfordshire.

[Osweo]

Apparently, they were from around Totternhoe and Dunstable, Bedfordshire.

Bafflingly, the map based on the 1881 census shows it as a strikingly Lancastrian name!
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/390/topping.png
But I've never heard it, myself. I'm from the easten side of Manchester, though, and the lands around Wigan (darkest coloured there) are rather alien to me.

[007]

I have been looking over names to give to my child to arrive for some time, and have yet to even give myself a 'top ten' with which to barter with on the table with my partner. I have been using sites with (what I hope) are majority English names, but have noticed a lot seem to include non-English names.

The two I have been working off are:

http://www.regia.org/members/names.htm#SMB

and

http://tekeli.li/onomastikon/England-Saxon/Dithematic.html

I am at a loss as to which names I can choose. I am like a baby in a sweet shop. I have narrowed three names at best, but would like more.

Dunstan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunstan) and Oswiu/Oswi/Osweald/Oswald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswiu_of_Northumbria) and Beorn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beorn).

I'm stuck for ideas. Any input would be welcome, but I would hope it remains by nature Anglo-Saxon in origin. :)

How about Harold? Edward, Alfred or Hereward are also favourites of mine

[Electronic God-Man]

I've got something for Beorn and Osweo. I just found this, don't know if anyone else has seen it. Os might have.



The Prosopography of Anglo-Saxon England (PASE) (http://www.pase.ac.uk/index.html)

The Prosopography of Anglo-Saxon England (PASE) is a database which aims to provide structured information relating to all the recorded inhabitants of England from the late sixth to the late eleventh century. It is based on a systematic examination of the available written sources for the period, including chronicles, saints’ Lives, charters, libri vitae, inscriptions, Domesday Book and coins; and is intended to serve as a research tool suitable for a wide range of users with an interest in this period.

The current edition of PASE was published online on 18 August 2010. Among other enhancements, this offers a new web interface providing enhanced access to the database, together with a new dataset linked to mapping facilities designed to facilitate the identification of English landholders in Domesday Book.

Every name of every person known to have existed in Anglo-Saxon England!

[Fortis in Arduis]

I think that Eadweard would be best, because it would make the bearer carry the appeal of normalcy and thus protect him from mockery.

Think about it.

Otherwise, Evelyn, Jocelyn, Leslie and Vivian would help to affirm his masculinity.

Perhaps all four could be employed towards that end! :lightbul:

[Electronic God-Man]

And Oswiu! I just found a post on Skadi where you and some other cat were talking about:


Taplow

Taplow is in Buckinghamshire, and a part of what was ancient Mercia. Its name comes from Anglo-Saxon Tæppa-hlaw "Tæppa's mound." The mound is on grounds of Taplow Court Estate. It dates to about 620 CE, the period when Ceorl was king of Mercia, and Penda's fortunes as a warlord were only starting to rise. . In 1883 James Rutland, a local historian decided to dig into the mound. What he found was the second richest Anglo-Saxon find in history. Only Sutton Hoo outshines Taplow.The grave goods included:

- a gold buckle, four inches long and four ounces in weight
- a pair of gilt bronze clasps
- remains of six drinking horns with gilt silver mounts and terminals
- four glass ‘claw’ beakers
- bone gaming pieces
- a gold fringe, originally attached to a garment
- an iron sword, three spear heads, two shield bosses and a knife
- a bronze Coptic bowl
- a large bronze-lined cauldron
- two wooden buckets with decorated bronze rim bands
- two crescent-shaped bronze ornaments, thought to be part of a harp.
(list taken from http://www.indigogroup.co.uk/edge/Taplow.htm)

Who was Tæppa?

No one is certain who Tæppa was. Most theorize he was a chieftain of some sort. He is mentioned in no surviving records so he was not apparently a king. His burial though makes it apparent he was of high status. And his name Tæppa alliterates with that of Tibba, a Christian saint said to be a related to Kyneburga, daughter of Penda, and therefore a member of the Mercian royal family. It is possible that Tæppa was an uncle or even father or grandfather of Tibba, and therefore his burial is indeed a royal one. The time of his burial is during that of Ceorl, whom many believe was a usurper unrelated to the Icelings, the royal family of Mercia. It is possible Tæppa ruled following Pybba's death and was usurped by Ceorl, or that he was an underking ruling the area of Buckinghamshire.To add to this, Buckinghamshire is not far from Crubridge in Oxfordshire which is thought to be named for Penda's grandfather Creoda. Swain theorizes in his history of Mercia that the battle of Fehtan Leag in 584 was actually between Creoda and the kings of the Gewisse and not Britons and the Gewisse.


Now wouldn't that be something? A descendant of this Tæppa, member of the Mercian royal family and relative of Penda.

Sadly, no proof. :( :D

[Osweo]

Now wouldn't that be something? A descendant of this Tæppa, member of the Mercian royal family and relative of Penda.

Sadly, no proof. :( :D

:p
Curiously, if you'll remember that Topping is now apparently a solidly South Lancastrian name, the SW portion of Lancs was the scene of Penda's greatest triumph; the defeat of Oswald at the Battle of Makerfield.

Now, he was obviously leading a force of vassal princelings, among whom might well have been one of these Taeppingas... Could one have been left to govern the region1?!!111 ;)

Weird isn't it, to speculate what might have survived for a while in post-Norman times in terms of family traditions, later to be lost to oblivion. Might be all sorts of old very stories behind the later surnames that pop up. :strokebeard:

[Great Dane]

Give your child a name that has a longstanding traditon of use in England. One that is not too common. Consider names that are not Anglo-Saxon in origin but have along history of use or connection to England. For example Hebrew names like John, Thomas, James or David. Latin or Greek names like George, Nicholas, Paul. English or Teutonic names such as William, Richard, Edward. Just don't give your child a name so unusual that he will have endless grief at school and will cause him to ask you 'what were you smoking when you picked my name?'.

[Electronic God-Man]

Give your child a name that has a longstanding traditon of use in England. One that is not too common. Consider names that are not Anglo-Saxon in origin but have along history of use or connection to England. For example Hebrew names like John, Thomas, James or David. Latin or Greek names like George, Nicholas, Paul. English or Teutonic names such as William, Richard, Edward. Just don't give your child a name so unusual that he will have endless grief at school and will cause him to ask you 'what were you smoking when you picked my name?'.

1. Give your child a name that has a longstanding tradition of use in England.
2. One that is not too common.

Given the names you have suggested (John, Thomas, James, David, George, Richard, etc.) I don't see how they conform to suggestion 2.

Plus, nobody wants Hebrew names.

[Osweo]

Give your child a name that has a longstanding traditon of use in England. One that is not too common. Consider names that are not Anglo-Saxon in origin but have along history of use or connection to England. For example Hebrew names like John, Thomas, James or David. Latin or Greek names like George, Nicholas, Paul. English or Teutonic names such as William, Richard, Edward. Just don't give your child a name so unusual that he will have endless grief at school and will cause him to ask you 'what were you smoking when you picked my name?'.

Heheh! I get your point, but the TIMIDITY of it gets my goat something rotten!

Before the Norman Conquest, there were tons of names in circulation.

In fact, I'll give some stats:

Initial name elements (Os-, Wine-, Aelf- etc.) = c. 70
Final name elements (-beorht, -frith, -weard etc.) = c. 30

(and those numbers don't include the odd rare one that is occasionally attested)

Parents could pick any intial part and any final part, and make a standard two-part Old English name.

Work it out:
70 X 30 = 2,100 possible names!

And what did we have in the mediaeval period, when the old names had fallen out of use?
John, Robert, Anne, William, Mary, Peter, Margaret, Elizabeth, John, Richard, Mary, John, John, Henry, John, Anne ... you get the idea.

In the modern period, they saw that this was getting a bit ridiculous, and took stuff out of the Bible, Jebediah, Samuel, Isaac and so on.

There was then SOME movement towards rehabilitation of Anglo-Saxon names, with Alfreds and Cuthberts rearing their heads once more, but the damned German wars put pay to that.

TIME to get back to our OWN stuff, I reckon. ;)

And when the average kid of us lot is going to sit in a classroom like THIS:
http://www.mathematicalmagic.com/img/Magic-Maths-class.jpg
... it hardly matters how 'unusual' his name will be. :coffee:

[Great Dane]

1. Give your child a name that has a longstanding tradition of use in England.
2. One that is not too common.

Given the names you have suggested (John, Thomas, James, David, George, Richard, etc.) I don't see how they conform to suggestion 2.

Plus, nobody wants Hebrew names.

I don't know what the most current names are in England, but John, Thomas, James, George and Richard are not used much anymore in the United States. David use to be pretty popular but has dropped in recent years. Over here it seems every other baby boy is named either Ethan, Jayden or Michael. Michael has been very popular for decades.

Certain Hebrew names have such a long tradition of use among Christians that most people are not aware of their actual origins. Like John and its many variants like Sean, Ian, Evan or Hans. Doesn't make sense to disregard them after over a thousand years of use. And what about all the names of Latin or Greek origins?

[European Loyalist]

Certain Hebrew names have such a long tradition of use among Christians that most people are not aware of their actual origins. Like John and its many variants like Sean, Ian, Evan or Hans. Doesn't make sense to disregard them after over a thousand years of use. And what about all the names of Latin or Greek origins?


Ignore the idiotic nazis. They think it's cool to slag off everything related to jews in any way.

[The Ripper]

Ignore the idiotic nazis. They think it's cool to slag off everything related to jews in any way.

:confused:

[European Loyalist]

:confused:

forgot to quote the post ;)

[TheBorrebyViking]

Ignore the idiotic nazis. They think it's cool to slag off everything related to jews in any way.

http://www.subvertednation.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/jews-fake-crying.jpg

[The Ripper]

forgot to quote the post ;)

I'm just curious, who you were calling an "ignorant nazi".

[Osweo]

LoL Rip, you need to look in a dictionary!


Nazi: an antisemite

>

Antisemite: One who is not sufficiently enthusiastic in his praise and emulation of the glorious Jewish people. This can be evinced in many ways, including preference of members of one's own nation over Jews, or even a desire not to name one's children after ancient Jewish worthies.


For shame, Ripp! Educate yourself! :D

[Comte Arnau]

Earnall. That's a nice name in these times of crisis.

[European Loyalist]

If I was mistaken then that is my error. Nonetheless the post is odd considering that he advises for a traditional English name, of which many are hebrew in origin, then goes on to say not hebrew names.

Seeing as how there are real Nazis (not to mention the general antisemitism) on here surely you can see how such an error (if it is one) could occur.

Osweo: I never said the quote was antisemitic, I said that type of behaviour was an associated behavioural trait of Nazi's. There is a pretty big difference there so I don't know how you missed that.

[TheBorrebyViking]

If I was mistaken then that is my error. Nonetheless the post is odd considering that he advises for a traditional English name, of which many are hebrew in origin, then goes on to say not hebrew names.

Seeing as how there are real Nazis (not to mention the general antisemitism) on here surely you can see how such an error (if it is one) could occur.

Osweo: I never said the quote was antisemitic, I said that type of behaviour was an associated behavioural trait of Nazi's. There is a pretty big difference there so I don't know how you missed that.

They don't want some Semitic shit slime name, that's not anti-Semitic. You seem to whine about "EVIL NATZIS!" and "ANTI-SEMITES!" a lot, so I must ask, are you a Jew?

[European Loyalist]

They don't want some Semitic shit slime name, that's not anti-Semitic. You seem to whine about "EVIL NATZIS!" and "ANTI-SEMITES!" a lot, so I must ask, are you a Jew?

John is hebrew in Origin, for example. "OMG 'JOHN' DAT'S A "Semitic shit slime" NAM OMG FUKIN STUPAD JOOS FUKIN TYRIN TO KIL ME I SWRA DOOD I RED IT ONLIEN N STUF"

As for the rest of your post I am amazed that I actually underestimated how stupid you are, so I must ask you are you clinically mentally retarded?

[TheBorrebyViking]

John is hebrew in Origin, for example. "OMG 'JOHN' DAT'S A "Semitic shit slime" NAM OMG FUKIN STUPAD JOOS FUKIN TYRIN TO KIL ME I SWRA DOOD I RED IT ONLIEN N STUF"

As for the rest of your post I am amazed that I actually underestimated how stupid you are, so I must ask you are you clinically mentally retarded?

Lol, keep trying there. He doesn't want a name that's based in Semitic roots, so what's the problem. You think Jews are European?

[Supreme American]

All I ask is to see a pic when the wee one arrives!!!!

[European Loyalist]

Lol, keep trying there. He doesn't want a name that's based in Semitic roots, so what's the problem. You think Jews are European?

I would talk at a rock if I wanted to have a discussion with something at your intelligence level.

[Osweo]

FUck's SAKE.

GEEKS, GET OUT OF THE FUCKING THREAD.

[TheBorrebyViking]

I would talk at a rock if I wanted to have a discussion with something at your intelligence level.

So, I give the valid reason and you just use ad hominem? You people are horrible at arguing/debating.

[Duckelf]

Any 'European preservationist' who thinks it is wrong to give your child a biblical name doesn't understand the history of Europe. They are just showing themselves to be bitter jew-obsessed morons.

[Osweo]

You can piss off an all, Duckegg.

[Duckelf]

You can piss off an all, Duckegg.
Why would a man like yourself who has great knowledge of European history and heritage side with the philistines who want to ignore that part of our history that runs contrary to their absurd prejudices? How many heroes of English and British history have names of Hebrew origin or that come from the Bible? Too many to count.

Any Englishman should be proud to have a name like James or John.

[Osweo]

Just read the opening post. :tsk:

And there's nowt BUT Jameses and Johns in our family trees. It's ridiculous, and to have our personal preferences slighted as some kind of slap in the face of English history is just pathetic. CONTRIBUTE, or go fuck yourself.

[TheBorrebyViking]

Æthelwulf is a good name.

[The Ripper]

If I was mistaken then that is my error. Nonetheless the post is odd considering that he advises for a traditional English name, of which many are hebrew in origin, then goes on to say not hebrew names.

Seeing as how there are real Nazis (not to mention the general antisemitism) on here surely you can see how such an error (if it is one) could occur.

Osweo: I never said the quote was antisemitic, I said that type of behaviour was an associated behavioural trait of Nazi's. There is a pretty big difference there so I don't know how you missed that.

Well, its quite natural for nationalists and cultural preservationists to prefer indigenous names over others.

[Beorn]

Any 'European preservationist' who thinks it is wrong to give your child a biblical name doesn't understand the history of Europe. They are just showing themselves to be bitter jew-obsessed morons.

A thought isn't being given to the names meanings or associations with X-population, but with what I consider to be very common in Britain and what is more in line with what I place greater value for.

My first child has an Anglicized Welsh name with no more thought than at the time it wasn't popular. It is unfortunate that straight after her birth, a now famous singer with a variation of that name came along. Her name is now incredibly popular.

"Did you name her after the black singer?"

"No! I have a life"

Ever since that I have always looked for the more obscure. My second child certainly got that, and his name is constantly being queried, to which my answer can only be beneficial in making people aware that there is such an ethnicity by its own right called the English.

I'd call my son after mine if it was born on my birthday, so I am not scared or ashamed to use Biblical names, just that I'd rather not dip into that terribly common and boooring name pot.

[Beorn]

Oscar is a masculine given name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Given_name) in the English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language) and Irish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_language) languages. Cognates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognate) include the Scottish Gaelic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic) Osgar, and the German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language) and Scandinavian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_language) Oskar, and the Finnish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_language) Oskari.

The name is derived from two elements in Irish: the first, os, means "deer"; the second element, cara, means "friend"...blah blah blah. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_%28given_name%29)


Okay, but then it goes on to say that Scottish Gaelic version is 'Osgar'; the same as the English?

Wikipedia losing it here?

[Aces High]

Now the real work begins....giving him "alternative" history lessons and teaching him to see with his eyes.

;)

[Osweo]

Okay, but then it goes on to say that Scottish Gaelic version is 'Osgar'; the same as the English?

Wikipedia losing it here?

Well, what do you reckon is the most likely name to give to a son?

"Godly Spear", or "Deer-Lover"? :p

My money's on this never having been a truly Gaelic name at all, but one that was adopted from the Norse, or perhaps even the English, and given to a character that some poet dreamt up to make the son of Ossian (who himself is a rather shady figure of less than understood origins).

Look at what Wiki says for the legendary Fenian Oscar;

Though a late addition to the cycle, Oscar was a popular character, and appeared prominently in several later Fenian tales, serving his grandfather as one of the fianna.

In other words, Oisín (fawn) is an old character, but as the story got more and more in demand, bards felt the pressure to elaborate it and add new characters and events. They knew the Norse name Asgeirr and liked the way it alliterated with that of Ossian. Perhaps he had an unnamed infant son in the older stories who was then 'christened' in posthumous Mormon style with the new name...

Either way, it's getting a bit too common among the uneducated English these days, like many other supposedly Gaelic names. ;)

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By the way, why don't Duckula and the American indignants start their own thread on names, where they can praise Noah, Obadiah, Zebedee and Jehosaphat to their hearts' content? As I said the other night, Beorny started up this thread with a specific request for Old English names, and Ripp is right: modern English nationalists seeking to get to the roots of 'where we went wrong' in this country are trying to reforge an identification with our oldest English history. As such, it's right and proper that we try to redress the balance against the preponderating weight of foreign origin names that have crept in down the centuries. That the introduction of the latter had a great deal to do with social injustices of conquest and cultural 'genocide' is very pertinent here too.

[Vasconcelos]

I'm going to be disappointed if it's not a Visigothic name, you two..

[Beorn]

Either way, it's getting a bit too common among the uneducated English these days, like many other supposedly Gaelic names. ;)


I had noticed that, and said to her that it had become quite popular around where we live. It was only thrown in because I had a relative with the name, and to keep the wool over her eyes as to the reality of her actually having a choice in the names :heh:

I might choose it now just so I can tell the Irish side of the family it is an English name. :coffee::D

[Óttar]

Right then, screw the name Saxon. :D How about Wulfric? He could go by "Ric[k]" for short. Not so bad.
What's wrong with 'Saxon' ? I think it sounds cool as fuck, and it would be "in your face!" Let the sell-outs know exactly where you stand.

[Osweo]

"Godly Spear", or "Deer-Lover"? :p

Looking at the Anglo-Saxon prosopography database that EGM linked to earlier, it seems that this 'Spear of God', while not being massively common, was known in ancient times:

OSGAR 1: (m/l x) Abbot of Abingdon, 963-84

OSGAR 2: (l x) Man connected to Maxey, Northants., fl. 983x985

OSGAR 3: (l x-e xi) Owner of land in Beds., fl. 975x1016

OSGAR 4: (m xi) Persons called 'Osgar' in Domesday Book: Property recorded in Domesday Book: 1 virgate in Biddenham, Bedfordshire (in 1066)

OSGAR 5: (l ix-e x) Moneyer associated with an unspecified mint for Edward 2 (899-924)

- an interesting SE Midlands/Home Counties distribution, by the way. :chin:

There is a surname Hosker from this. Old bearers are Robert Hosegar 1199 in Rutland, and William Hosker in Colchester in 1575.

I thought I'd look at the modern distributions for the name...
http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/Map.aspx?name=HOSKER&year=1998&altyear=1881&country=GB&type=name
hehe, it's near enough a predominantly Mid Lancashire name now, with significant groups in Devon and the Midlands!
Let's see 1881...
http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/Map2.aspx?name=HOSKER&year=1881&altyear=1998&country=GB&type=name
BLOODY HELL! Massively and almost exclusively Lancastrian! Preston, even!
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4558/hosker1881.png
Obviously, Osgar gets my blessings now. :D

[Troll's Puzzle]

What's wrong with 'Saxon' ? I think it sounds cool as fuck, and it would be "in your face!" Let the sell-outs know exactly where you stand.

if 'Saxon' sounds too silly, there's always 'Saxton'.

As in 'Saxton Hale' who is a current internet meme I understand... who coincidentally seems to embody 'in your faceness' as you put it :D

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/09/oct/hale3.jpg
http://tf2wiki.net/w/images/thumb/d/db/Saxton_fire.jpg/421px-Saxton_fire.jpg

[Great Dane]

By the way, why don't Duckula and the American indignants start their own thread on names, where they can praise Noah, Obadiah, Zebedee and Jehosaphat to their hearts' content? With the exception of Noah I don't think any of those names have been used in 200 years. And I wouldn't recommend them anyway because they don't seem to have a traditional of being used in England. Except for the Puritans and Quakers and most of them came over to America.



As I said the other night, Beorny started up this thread with a specific request for Old English names, and Ripp is right: modern English nationalists seeking to get to the roots of 'where we went wrong' in this country are trying to reforge an identification with our oldest English history. As such, it's right and proper that we try to redress the balance against the preponderating weight of foreign origin names that have crept in down the centuries. That the introduction of the latter had a great deal to do with social injustices of conquest and cultural 'genocide' is very pertinent here too.Most of the names I recommended have such a long history of use in England that you could say they are English by adoption. You can see this from English surnames. Like Johnson, Jones or Jenkins from John, Nicholls and Nixon from Nicholas, Peters and Perkins from Peter, Thompkins and Thompson from Thomas, Davis from David.

[Osweo]

I might choose it now just so I can tell the Irish side of the family it is an English name. :coffee::D
Oh yes...... :clap: Can't beat Trolling the Bogtrotters as a motive in naming kids! :D

What's wrong with 'Saxon' ? I think it sounds cool as fuck, and it would be "in your face!" Let the sell-outs know exactly where you stand.
You know, that's a fucking brilliant idea, you Pakifucking genius, you! :D

I'm half wishing I was a Southern Seaxe wimp now. 'Angle' doesn't really work like that. :pout:

[Óttar]

Yanks [...]Zebedee, [...] Josaphat...

Yardenu spoke unto Benyameen saying: :D

If I were Beorn (or anyone for that matter), I would avoid biblical names like the plague.

[Osweo]

http://tf2wiki.net/w/images/thumb/d/db/Saxton_fire.jpg/421px-Saxton_fire.jpg

God DAMN.

Obviously I'm already manly as fuck, but imagine how much MORE so I would have been if I'd been brought up on such material! :eek:

Young Leofigildo will definitely be. :....




http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/09/oct/hale3.jpg
...
Saxton Hale's (http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Saxton_Hale) Jungle Brawl debuted in the U.S. in 1962, riding a wave of anti-gorilla sentiment following Russia's successful launch of the first monkey, Vladimir Bananas, into space. America's rage was not isolated to communist primates- that same year, monkeynaut Poopy Joe cruelly dashed the U.S.'s hopes of reaching the stars when its shuttle detonated on takeoff. Brawl was notorious for inflaming human-gorilla tensions during its ten-year run, most famously in issue #50, which was printed with gorillas' blood. Its print run of 17 million copies left only five gorillas on the planet.

Wow.

Notable achievements
...
Firebombing Woodstock from a helicopter.
:thumb001:



***

Sadly, Saxton is more often not the 'tun' of the Seaxe, but rather a surname deriving from Old French segrestaine or sacristan, i.e. 'a sexton'. :cry2

[Beorn]

Okay, these are the names that have been included into the rough list of names so far.

Wilfred
Dunstan
Eric or Beric
Eorcenbald
Harold
Heorstan
Herebeorht
Oelfwin/Ælfwine
Réodwynn
Oscar or Osgar
Hereward
Bryston/Briston/Brystun

I had her thinking of the name 'Æsc' but would we want 2 children beginning with an A?

[Osweo]

Okay, these are the names that have been included into the rough list of names so far.
:thumb001:

Naturally, the Mrs will have another list somewhere... :p
Now, comments!

Wilfred - Good name. Familiar, spellable. Ready made shortform Wilf. Originally it should be WilfrITH, of course, but the -fred ending is how it's reached modernity, so it's 'legitimate' if you like.

Dunstan - The more I hear it, the more I like it. Solid, of regional relevance, and manly. Would you call the lad 'Dunny'? Stan is optional... :shrug:

Eric or Beric - I love Eric. Anglicised Norse. Give him the epithet Bloodaxe as a middle name. :p What's this 'Beric' though1?! Is it from Rosemary Sutcliffe's 'The Outcast'? Nice little novel, but the feller was a Briton. Or did you have in mind some grinding down of Beornric, like these names in Domesday?
BERRIC 1: (m xi) Owner of land in Essex, 1035x1044
BERRIC 2: (m/l x) Benefactor of Ramsey, fl. 961x992


Eorcenbald - 'Archibald. Call him 'Archie'. :p I don't like this one so much, though. :shrug:

Harold - superb name.

Heorstan - mrrh?? What's this about, then???

Herebeorht - I'm pleasantly surprised at your boldness in putting Herbert on the list!

Oelfwin/Ælfwine - that O is a bollocks typing thing, or some shit dialect. :p Elphin is a modern spelling of the saint of this name. He was Oswald's son, and there's a church in his honour at Warrington, among other places. Uncle Osweo... ehem... dispatched him. :whistle: There's a hill called Elphin Pike near where I grew up, though that MAY refer to a supernatural being haunting the place. It's Alvin, too.

Réodwynn - wynn is a female ending. Redwine-Trolly will no doubt be flattered. :lol: What's that first bit about, though, and why the gay accent!? If you insist on invoked our Feminazi Fuehrerin, you could always go for BlÆcÆlf, after her user title...

Oscar or Osgar - :)

Hereward - oh YES.

Bryston/Briston/Brystun - Curious. :chin: Care to explain it? Your own making, informed by civic pride? :p


I had her thinking of the name 'Æsc' but would we want 2 children beginning with an A?
Why ever not? Alliteration of names in a family is a fine old Englisc tradition! :p

[Óttar]

I cast my vote for Eric, Harold (my grandfather's name), or Hereward (Protector of the Army.)

[Beorn]

Naturally, the Mrs will have another list somewhere... :p

I've no doubt she does. :D She did try to foist upon me a webpage full of Irish names with helpful WM guides as to pronunciation, but I said outright the names are too common and booooring.



Wilfred - Good name. Familiar, spellable. Ready made shortform Wilf. Originally it should be WilfrITH, of course, but the -fred ending is how it's reached modernity, so it's 'legitimate' if you like. You had said before. I went for the -fred ending simply for simplification of spelling the name and pronunciation.
ÆLFÞRYÐ (<--- looks terrible on here.) That is another name I had put down on the very exclusive 'I like these names and they are ready made for forums such as these, but the missus won't like them' list.


Dunstan - The more I hear it, the more I like it. Solid, of regional relevance, and manly. Would you call the lad 'Dunny'? Stan is optional... :shrug: 'Dunny'? I just hope an Aussie doesn't come near him


Eric or Beric - I love Eric. Anglicised Norse. Give him the epithet Bloodaxe as a middle name. :p What's this 'Beric' though1?! Is it from Rosemary Sutcliffe's 'The Outcast'? Nice little novel, but the feller was a Briton. Or did you have in mind some grinding down of Beornric, like these names in Domesday?
BERRIC 1: (m xi) Owner of land in Essex, 1035x1044
BERRIC 2: (m/l x) Benefactor of Ramsey, fl. 961x992The name Eric means something to me, but she indoors isn't all that keen on it...neither is she about Beric, but I thought of the name Beric today because I remember my Scottish neighbour having this name and thinking it quite an unusual and apt name for the man. It was only after Googling the name did I find it had some literary significance. I had found this (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=v2WtJrIJdzAC&pg=PA238&lpg=PA238&dq=the+name+beric&source=bl&ots=PJXMoJ5T6d&sig=AiLqc0q_iCqyB4j6KN3d3zyoPMU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=H7wpT-j3IMngtQaxgtzEAQ&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=the%20name%20beric&f=false) which, considering my ancestry, I found very coincidental.


Eorcenbald - 'Archibald. Call him 'Archie'. I don't like this one so much, though. It isn't the strongest name on the list so far, but it's good to get a name like this out there and let it sit on the mind. The first time my son's name was mentioned it took a while for it to work into being applicable to a little baby.


Harold - superb name. Of course. Only downside is the nickname 'Harry'.:( But, then he will have something to be proud of when reading Shakespeare in class...if they still do in 2020 of course.


Heorstan - mrrh?? What's this about, then??? "Dunstan was born in Baltonsborough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltonsborough).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunstan#cite_note-5) He was the son of Heorstan, a noble of Wessex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wessex). Heorstan was the brother of the bishops of Wells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_of_Bath_and_Wells) and of Winchester (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_of_Winchester).[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunstan#cite_note-6) It is recorded that his mother, Cynethryth, was a pious woman."


Herebeorht - I'm pleasantly surprised at your boldness in putting Herbert on the list! It is growing on me. The only thing is I keep placing too much of an accent on it and it sounds increasingly alien and unwise.

I'm pronouncing it as: Hare-a-bert. Would that be correct?


Oelfwin/Ælfwine - that O is a bollocks typing thing, or some shit dialect. :p Elphin is a modern spelling of the saint of this name. He was Oswald's son, and there's a church in his honour at Warrington, among other places. Uncle Osweo... ehem... dispatched him. There's a hill called Elphin Pike near where I grew up, though that MAY refer to a supernatural being haunting the place. It's Alvin, too. Yeah, the 'O' is from the multiple shitty websites offering English and Anglo-Saxon baby names but include Aisha and Owen, etc... as English???

The name I placed in the list was my boys suggestion. He has gone from liking Harry to Alvin. :D


Réodwynn - wynn is a female ending. Redwine-Trolly will no doubt be flattered. What's that first bit about, though, and why the gay accent!? If you insist on invoked our Feminazi Fuehrerin, you could always go for BlÆcÆlf, after her user title... :embarrassed My seemingly failed attempt at joining AS names together and hoping for the best. :embarrassed

A possible name for a future dohtor then. :thumb001:


Oscar or Osgar - :):thumb001:


Hereward - oh YES. :thumb001:


Bryston/Briston/Brystun - Curious. Care to explain it? Your own making, informed by civic pride? This one is interesting. It was chosen by my other half:eek:

She was looking through the link Soten kindly submitted (http://www.pase.ac.uk/index.html) and came across the name Byrcston. She had thought it pronounced something altogether different, but she still liked the sound of it. A search and alteration later, and we came across Briston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briston).

Surname Database threw up this (http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Briston).

I was surprised to see it still retaining dominance in Norfolk, a place some ancestors come from, so thought perhaps this was a goodun to keep.


http://i.imgur.com/E7qNI.jpg

And, the missus likes the name!!!! :thumb001:

[Jon Snow]

I'm not familiar with what names are 'trending' at the moment in the UK, nor am I a master linguist like Osweo; so take these suggestions for what they are, a well-intentioned but probably ultimately futile attempt to help from someone across the pond. :embarrassed

Anyway, here are some of my favorites:

Almaric
Cedric
Cenhelm
Eadgard
Evoric
Kenelm

[Beorn]

I'm not familiar with what names are 'trending' at the moment in the UK, nor am I a master linguist like Osweo; so take these suggestions for what they are, a well-intentioned but probably ultimately futile attempt to help from someone across the pond. :embarrassed

All input is very welcome :)



Almaric
Cedric
Cenhelm
Eadgard
Evoric
Kenelm

Good sounding names, but I had discounted names beginning with 'Ken/Cen' simply for the child then ending up as a boring Ken. *YAWN*

However, Cedric is a good name. I had thought Ivanhoe a good name too. :D

[Jon Snow]

All input is very welcome :)

Good sounding names, but I had discounted names beginning with 'Ken/Cen' simply for the child then ending up as a boring Ken. *YAWN*

Yeah, that makes sense. Imagine someone calling an Almaric 'Al', haha. :lol00002:


However, Cedric is a good name. I had thought Ivanhoe a good name too. :D

Do it! You won't. :tongue

[Great Dane]

Okay, these are the names that have been included into the rough list of names so far.

Wilfred
Dunstan
Eric or Beric
Eorcenbald
Harold
Heorstan
Herebeorht
Oelfwin/Ælfwine
Réodwynn
Oscar or Osgar
Hereward
Bryston/Briston/Brystun

I had her thinking of the name 'Æsc' but would we want 2 children beginning with an A?Eric is my name, I thought it was more Scandinavian then Anglo-Saxon. As for the others I don't know how they would be perceived in an English schoolyard. You have to take into consideration what they rhyme with or the various innuendos one might conject upon them. You were a boy once you know how cruel we can be to other children.

[Osweo]

I've no doubt she does. She did try to foist upon me a webpage full of Irish names with helpful WM guides as to pronunciation, but I said outright the names are too common and booooring.
Ah fuck it, just call the brat Fiachnu and have done with it! :D

What's this 'WM guide' thingy? Only Scousers can pronounce half of these names right, or at least could if they were taught to read.

You had said before. I went for the -fred ending simply for simplification of spelling the name and pronunciation.
ÆLFÞRYÐ (<--- looks terrible on here.) That is another name I had put down on the very exclusive 'I like these names and they are ready made for forums such as these, but the missus won't like them' list.
Aye aye, but thryth is a female ending too. Frith is the male one.



'Dunny'? I just hope an Aussie doesn't come near him
The State should encourage this name. Only way to stop most of us emigrating.


The name Eric means something to me, but she indoors isn't all that keen on it...neither is she about Beric, but I thought of the name Beric today because I remember my Scottish neighbour having this name and thinking it quite an unusual and apt name for the man. It was only after Googling the name did I find it had some literary significance. I had found this (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=v2WtJrIJdzAC&pg=PA238&lpg=PA238&dq=the+name+beric&source=bl&ots=PJXMoJ5T6d&sig=AiLqc0q_iCqyB4j6KN3d3zyoPMU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=H7wpT-j3IMngtQaxgtzEAQ&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=the%20name%20beric&f=false) which, considering my ancestry, I found very coincidental.
Hehe, but that author got it off the older book I mentioned, clearly. There are some vaguely similar ancient Celtic names, but I'm without my reference books... :( I'd avoid it, anyroad.


It isn't the strongest name on the list so far, but it's good to get a name like this out there and let it sit on the mind. The first time my son's name was mentioned it took a while for it to work into being applicable to a little baby.
Absolutely.


Of course. Only downside is the nickname 'Harry'. But, then he will have something to be proud of when reading Shakespeare in class...if they still do in 2020 of course.
Albert Steptoe always used the full form. Or 'Arooooldddd!!!!', rather. :p It's up to the kid and his mates what his nickname outside the family is. Many people just go by full names in these circumstances.


"Dunstan was born in Baltonsborough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltonsborough).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunstan#cite_note-5) He was the son of Heorstan, a noble of Wessex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wessex). Heorstan was the brother of the bishops of Wells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_of_Bath_and_Wells) and of Winchester (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_of_Winchester).[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunstan#cite_note-6) It is recorded that his mother, Cynethryth, was a pious woman."

Yeah, I've been searching myself. Funny initial element I've not seen before. In the Prosopography they also have a Heorht- something. If Beorht goes to 'bright', what the hell is a Rhight??? :p


It is growing on me. The only thing is I keep placing too much of an accent on it and it sounds increasingly alien and unwise.

I'm pronouncing it as: Hare-a-bert. Would that be correct?
Well... 'Herruhbuht' sort of thing. :p But it's just 'Herbert' at the end of the day. People with a slight problem with the letter R will make it Halibut, by the way... :D


Yeah, the 'O' is from the multiple shitty websites offering English and Anglo-Saxon baby names but include Aisha and Owen, etc... as English???
Æ sometimes looks a bit like an O and E stuck together in the old texts.

Aisha... You know, there was a house for sale on Aisha Gardens near here that was superb, a great investment. And my mother flat out refused to live on a street with that name!


:embarrassed My seemingly failed attempt at joining AS names together and hoping for the best. :embarrassed

A possible name for a future dohtor then.
:p I'm still not sure what you were trying to express, though. (Water-)reed?

-Wynn is female, -wine is male, but in Modern English they both just end up 'win' anyway.

This one is interesting. It was chosen by my other half:

She was looking through the link Soten kindly submitted (http://www.pase.ac.uk/index.html) and came across the name Byrcston. She had thought it pronounced something altogether different, but she still liked the sound of it. A search and alteration later, and we came across Briston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briston).

Surname Database threw up this (http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Briston).

I was surprised to see it still retaining dominance in Norfolk, a place some ancestors come from, so thought perhaps this was a goodun to keep.


http://i.imgur.com/E7qNI.jpg

And, the missus likes the name!!!!
Interesting!

By the way though, surname database is shit on that one! Eilert Ekwall reckoned that Briston was from Byrst tun, where a byrst is the site of a landslip, or some sort of 'gap' in the geography. He says the River Bure takes its name from the village, not the other way round.

The Byrcstan of the old document is just Beorhtstan in a variant spelling, though. Bright Stone. Not a bad name at all, though. :)

Almaric
Curious. A Continental version of Helmric? Or a garbling of Visigothic Amalaric?

Cedric
I'm not a fan of this one. As far as I can tell, Sir Walter Scott just made it up. If I HAD to justify it, I'd have to propose it was an innovation based on the saint's name Cedd. Cedd seems some sort of semi-Anglicised Welsh name like Caedmon, though.

Cenhelm Kenelm
Same name, different orthography. I like it. :)

Eadgard
Where's this one from? -Gard doesn't seem to have been used much if at all in England. More importantly it's a female ending!

Evoric
Eoforric - Boar-ric! :p Ends up Everidge or Everett in the modern surname. Everic would probably be the most faithful modernised form.

Coincidentally similar to Eboracum, the old name for York < Jorvik < Eoforwiv < Caer Efrawg < Evrauc < Eboracum = place of Yew trees.


However, Cedric is a good name. I had thought Ivanhoe a good name too. :D
Actually, both names have been proven, at great length and with much effort, by reference to a great many sources and through analogy with Continental forms as being pretty shite, really. ;)

[Jon Snow]

Curious. A Continental version of Helmric? Or a garbling of Visigothic Amalaric?

I'm not a fan of this one. As far as I can tell, Sir Walter Scott just made it up. If I HAD to justify it, I'd have to propose it was an innovation based on the saint's name Cedd. Cedd seems some sort of semi-Anglicised Welsh name like Caedmon, though.

Same name, different orthography. I like it. :)

Where's this one from? -Gard doesn't seem to have been used much if at all in England. More importantly it's a female ending!

Eoforric - Boar-ric! :p Ends up Everidge or Everett in the modern surname. Everic would probably be the most faithful modernised form.

Coincidentally similar to Eboracum, the old name for York < Jorvik < Eoforwiv < Caer Efrawg < Evrauc < Eboracum = place of Yew trees.

I've been found out! Most of those names came from less than reputable sources (i.e., random websites); they simply struck a chord with me, and I archived them for one day down the road. Now our resident linguist shows us that half of them are no proper names at all, and I am heartbroken. :D

In all seriousness, though, the etymology of names is a fascinating subject. I believe that a name should not be chosen lightly--names can (and should) have a great deal of power and meaning contained within them.

Note to self: Consult Osweo before naming firstborn. :D

[European Loyalist]

Well, its quite natural for nationalists and cultural preservationists to prefer indigenous names over others.

where do you draw the line between indigenous and non-indigenous? European peoples didn't just appear out of thin air into their current locations. There was migratory periods and mutual linguistic/cultural/genetic influence. There's a reason many European languages share similarities.

[Electronic God-Man]

where do you draw the line between indigenous and non-indigenous? European peoples didn't just appear out of thin air into their current locations. There was migratory periods and mutual linguistic/cultural/genetic influence. There's a reason many European languages share similarities.


With a line of reasoning like that you could just as easily conclude that there is no indigenous at all, no legitimate ethnic groups anywhere, but I don't think that's something you believe. :)

[Aces High]

where do you draw the line between indigenous and non-indigenous? European peoples didn't just appear out of thin air into their current locations. There was migratory periods and mutual linguistic/cultural/genetic influence. There's a reason many European languages share similarities.

So what do you suggest mr libtard...that he traces his life line back to mudfish just out of the swamp....or why not call his son ameoba just to satisfy a few liberal fucks with no balls.

He wants an Englsih name for an English kid....who when he grows up will be one of us.....geddit.

[European Loyalist]

With a line of reasoning like that you could just as easily conclude that there is no indigenous at all, no legitimate ethnic groups anywhere, but I don't think that's something you believe. :)

Obviously not, I'm referring to the general time frame within which European civilizations arose. Christianity is an integral part of European and British culture and heritage, and has been for well over a millennium, the most crucial time period for humanity and the European continent.

[European Loyalist]

So what do you suggest mr libtard...that he traces his life line back to mudfish just out of the swamp....or why not call his son ameoba just to satisfy a few liberal fucks with no balls.

He wants an Englsih name for an English kid....who when he grows up will be one of us.....geddit.

Shouldn't you be out "living by NS principles"?

[Aces High]

Shouldn't you be out "living by NS principles"?

Cool your boots pencil neck...you know how getting all het up is bad for your acne.

[Osweo]

where do you draw the line between indigenous and non-indigenous? European peoples didn't just appear out of thin air into their current locations. There was migratory periods and mutual linguistic/cultural/genetic influence. There's a reason many European languages share similarities.

where do you draw the line between, on one hand, saying your piece in a thread, and being told where to go, and on the other, sticking around flogging your dead donkey and being an arsehole?

The opening post requested ideas on Old English names. A father has some preference about naming his SON, for fuck's sake. You barge in, reading all sorts of unnecessary motivation crap into a simple matter of personal choice, and insulting people, who then show you up like a right gawp.

As for Christianity, we had 500 years of it and more before we starting giving our sprogs weird foreign names. :coffee:

Saints Eadwine, Oswald, Aelfwine, Beda, Cuthbeorht, Hild, Aebbe, Dunstan, Wilfrith, Waldburh, Osgyth, Aethelthryth, Ceadda, Cedd, Botwulf, Eadmund, Eadweard, Guthlac, Oslac, and so on didn't let having an English name hold them back, you div. Why let their memory fade from existence, just to perpetuate the fame of Daniel or Joshuah, like millions of other parents are doing? We took the IDEA of Christianity, without feeling the need to ape all the unnecessary culturally specific Levantine baggage.

I suppose you're pro-circumcision as well... :coffee:

[Peasant]

Not to mention your name becomes unmemorable in the sea of other plastic hebrews.

[European Loyalist]

Cool your boots pencil neck...you know how getting all het up is bad for your acne.

Why the deflection cadet? Are you embarrassed to admit that "living by the principles of NS" involves wanking to pictures of die fuhrer and going into supermarkets to poor vinegar on the bagels while shouting "TAKE THAT KIKES! DEATH TO THE ZOG!"?

[Electronic God-Man]

Why the deflection cadet? Are you embarrassed to admit that "living by the principles of NS" involves wanking to pictures of die fuhrer and going into supermarkets to poor vinegar on the bagels while shouting "TAKE THAT KIKES! DEATH TO THE ZOG!"?

Do you have a point posting in this thread anymore?

[European Loyalist]

where do you draw the line between, on one hand, saying your piece in a thread, and being told where to go, and on the other, sticking around flogging your dead donkey and being an arsehole?

The opening post requested ideas on Old English names. A father has some preference about naming his SON, for fuck's sake. You barge in, reading all sorts of unnecessary motivation crap into a simple matter of personal choice, and insulting people, who then show you up like a right gawp.

As for Christianity, we had 500 years of it and more before we starting giving our sprogs weird foreign names. :coffee:

Saints Eadwine, Oswald, Aelfwine, Beda, Cuthbeorht, Hild, Aebbe, Dunstan, Wilfrith, Waldburh, Osgyth, Aethelthryth, Ceadda, Cedd, Botwulf, Eadmund, Eadweard, Guthlac, Oslac, and so on didn't let having an English name hold them back, you div. Why let their memory fade from existence, just to perpetuate the fame of Daniel or Joshuah, like millions of other parents are doing? We took the IDEA of Christianity, without feeling the need to ape all the unnecessary culturally specific Levantine baggage.

I suppose you're pro-circumcision as well... :coffee:

I get that it's about anglo-saxon names and I support promoting that heritage, my only argument was that there's no reason to put down anglo-christian names/heritage at the same time. You could cut me some slack for not being able to distinguish the mindless jew-bashing that goes on here from the personal preference against hebrew names a week into joining.

[Beorn]

What's this 'WM guide' thingy?

WM = Windows Media. Here's (http://www.babynamesofireland.com/irish-boy-names/irish-boy-names-a-c) the page if you're interested.


Hehe, but that author got it off the older book I mentioned, clearly. There are some vaguely similar ancient Celtic names, but I'm without my reference books... :( I'd avoid it, anyroad. The better half isn't keen anyway. :)


Well... 'Herruhbuht' sort of thing. :p But it's just 'Herbert' at the end of the day. People with a slight problem with the letter R will make it Halibut, by the way... :D :D It's why I am being so careful with the name we give.


:p I'm still not sure what you were trying to express, though. (Water-)reed? I had thought 'ræd' was 'red'. The translator I use gave it as 'a red colour'.


By the way though, surname database is shit on that one!I've found it useful for reference, but it has thrown a few surnames up that defy belief. The comments section are quite interesting to read though.


The Byrcstan of the old document is just Beorhtstan in a variant spelling, though. Bright Stone. Not a bad name at all, though. :) Good variation. It's on a list. :)

[Osweo]

WM = Windows Media. Here's (http://www.babynamesofireland.com/irish-boy-names/irish-boy-names-a-c) the page if you're interested.
Cheers! But, christ, theere's some abysmal shite on there! :D


I had thought 'ræd' was 'red'. The translator I use gave it as 'a red colour'.
Ræd, like in AElfræd or Rædwald means 'good counsel', 'clever advice', 'good sense' sort of thing. So, you end up with Rædwine/Redwin :)

read(e) is 'red', hreode is 'reed'. Neither were used in names.

[Great Dane]

Saints Eadwine, Oswald, Aelfwine, Beda, Cuthbeorht, Hild, Aebbe, Dunstan, Wilfrith, Waldburh, Osgyth, Aethelthryth, Ceadda, Cedd, Botwulf, Eadmund, Eadweard, Guthlac, Oslac, and so on didn't let having an English name hold them back, you div. Why let their memory fade from existence, just to perpetuate the fame of Daniel or Joshuah, like millions of other parents are doing? We took the IDEA of Christianity, without feeling the need to ape all the unnecessary culturally specific Levantine baggage.

There are some OT names that must have been common during the time the English were adopting permanent surnames. I've mentioned David & Davis. But there is also Adam > Adams. And the Scots have families of McDaniels and McIsaacs. I'm not recommending them to the OP but pointing out that the use of OT names in England and Scotland have a tradition that predates the reformation. :coffee:

[Beorn]

There are some OT names that must have been common during the time the English were adopting permanent surnames.

Apart from the traditionally Welsh surnames, you mentioned an English surname I have recent connection to.

It still doesn't entice us to name them upon our kids. :D

[Beorn]

We've decided the child will be called Dunstan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunstan). It fits neatly with his ancestry, heritage and culture. The fact he is named after the unofficial patron saint of Somerset is also a bonus.

[Osweo]

From my new book;

Dunstan (m.): Old English, compound of dun 'hill', and stan 'stone', the name of the great Archbishop of Canterbury, Dunstan son of Heorstan 924-88. His memory was held in great reverence in the Middle Ages and his name is occasionally found in use; a Donston Chechelly occurs in London as late as 1529, probably named after the parish of his birth. The name went out of use after the Reformation until it was revived by the Tractarians in the 19th C.
Domesday spellings (1086); Dunstan, Donestan, Dunestan
Hearth Returns (1273); Dunstan
Poll Tax (1379); Donestan

:thumbs

[Loki]

Interesting discussion!