Classify this blue eyed Afghan man

[Avicenna]

https://i.ibb.co/kMFbGmr/Screenshot-20240316-201817.jpg (https://ibb.co/wY1Gdcb)

[Bat_]

Iranid + Aryan/Corded

[Oliver109]

Interesting, passes as a local here, maybe borreby and alpine?

[Avicenna]

Iranid + Aryan/Corded

Yep, looks very European no denying it, there were other types in the same video down below, but he stood out a little more than the others . Either way, his look is certainly not out of place.

https://i.ibb.co/RyphjSQ/Screenshot-20240316-201732.jpg (https://ibb.co/YZ7D0Wf)
https://i.ibb.co/HPs307f/Screenshot-20240316-201518.jpg (https://ibb.co/QHRtZ93)
https://i.ibb.co/R4d4rvk/Screenshot-20240316-201802.jpg (https://ibb.co/fGLG61z)
https://i.ibb.co/Krk3FyD/Screenshot-20240316-201719.jpg (https://ibb.co/rwS14y3)
https://i.ibb.co/cYmM3LX/Screenshot-20240316-201704.jpg (https://ibb.co/VwKr9mp)
https://i.ibb.co/mFKQc4N/Screenshot-20240316-201600.jpg (https://ibb.co/TqGzgtW)
https://i.ibb.co/BrFHYJq/Screenshot-20240316-201545.jpg (https://ibb.co/qWVL28k)
https://i.ibb.co/5jZS0BR/Screenshot-20240316-201842.jpg (https://ibb.co/n1pYGzL)
https://i.ibb.co/bHTNpxT/Screenshot-20240316-201617.jpg (https://ibb.co/mvkhQmk)

[ecptr]

Damn. That's a white man

[masoebu]

Seems Coon's Upper Paleolithic people spread out pretty far, from Iceland to India.

[Avicenna]

Seems Coon's Upper Paleolithic people spread out pretty far, from Iceland to India.

You are not finding OP type in India however

[Oliver109]

You are not finding OP type in India however

Perhaps in the mountains of Kashmir, there have been some very light and cromagnid individuals photographed there.

[Grace O'Malley]

Interesting, passes as a local here, maybe borreby and alpine?

Genetically distant however.

[Oliver109]

Genetically distant however.

Would you say he is related to Bell beakers?

[Nationofsymbol]

Would you say he is related to Bell beakers?

this is absurd no, bell beaker never migrated to central asia, but corded ware did, if you find a tronder, faelid, anglo saxon, brunn, borreby or any northern european up types in afghanistan then it is 100 percent due to corded ware genetics, simple answer

[Nurzat]

lighter type Ukrainian / Southern Russian :cool:

Scythian straight from the Pontic Steppe

[Grace O'Malley]

this is absurd no, bell beaker never migrated to central asia, but corded ware did, if you find a tronder, faelid, anglo saxon, brunn, borreby or any northern european up types in afghanistan then it is 100 percent due to corded ware genetics, simple answer

Corded Ware didn't go to Central Asia and Bell Beaker is an off-shoot of Corded Ware. Wasn't it Sintashta who went to Central Asia they are however an off-shoot of Corded Ware all the Steppe populations are closely related anyway. However populations in Central Asia and Afghanistan have contributions from other populations which makes them very distant to Europeans.

This video is interesting because they uploaded a Sintashta genome to MyHeritage.

Sintasta was very European.

https://i.imgur.com/jVdaCzY.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVaWjQHS-8o

[Avicenna]

Perhaps in the mountains of Kashmir, there have been some very light and cromagnid individuals photographed there.
Highly highly doubt it ,

[Avicenna]

Corded Ware didn't go to Central Asia and Bell Beaker is an off-shoot of Corded Ware. Wasn't it Sintashta who went to Central Asia they are however an off-shoot of Corded Ware all the Steppe populations are closely related anyway. However populations in Central Asia and Afghanistan have contributions from other populations which makes them very distant to Europeans.

This video is interesting because they uploaded a Sintashta genome to MyHeritage.

Sintasta was very European.

https://i.imgur.com/jVdaCzY.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVaWjQHS-8o

Sintashta wasnt very European because the identity of Europe didn't even exist back then. Sintashta was proto Indo Iranian, which happens to be closely related to modern day northern Europeans, it certainly doesn't make it European itself. I think we are conflating two things together. Either way it's a classification thread not a genetic one!

Either way, Europeans, especially northern Europeans are heavily corded ware / bell beaker shifted which explains why they are closely related to the sintashta who were a offshoot of those people. South central Asians are direct descendants of those people.

[Nurzat]

Sintashta wasnt very European because the identity of Europe didn't even exist back then. Sintashta was proto Indo Iranian, which happens to be closely related to modern day northern Europeans, it certainly doesn't make it European itself. I think we are conflating two things together. Either way it's a classification thread not a genetic one!

Either way, Europeans, especially northern Europeans are heavily corded ware / bell beaker shifted which explains why they are closely related to the sintashta who were a offshoot of those people. South central Asians are direct descendants of those people.

yes, but just as how in Europe the descendants of Steppe people came in contact with and mixed with peoples of EEF/WHG/SHG/EHG/CHG heritage, so in Southcentral Asia the descendants of Steppe Iranics mixed with BMAC (CHG heritage) and to an extent even with people of South Asian heritage, right?

but I agree that we shouldn't project current cultural spaces to the past, Europe came into being late and the Pontic Steppe was genetically at the root of Northwest Eurasian peoples (geographically speaking), as EEF was for Southwest Eurasian peoples and the CHG-like DNA of Zagros mountains is the main genetic component in most of the Middle East, as far as northwestern India

[Anatolya]

A Corded variety, let's say Irano-Nordid

[Grace O'Malley]

Sintashta wasnt very European because the identity of Europe didn't even exist back then. Sintashta was proto Indo Iranian, which happens to be closely related to modern day northern Europeans, it certainly doesn't make it European itself. I think we are conflating two things together. Either way it's a classification thread not a genetic one!

Either way, Europeans, especially northern Europeans are heavily corded ware / bell beaker shifted which explains why they are closely related to the sintashta who were a offshoot of those people. South central Asians are direct descendants of those people.

Genetically European which is why when uploaded on a dna platform Sintashta is mostly similar to those European populations listed.

This is Corded Ware for example.

https://i.imgur.com/muQleWK.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQbNtqfToQk

[Vessna]

lighter type Ukrainian / Southern Russian :cool:

Scythian straight from the Pontic Steppe

lol no, he can only pass as someone from Caucasus like Chechen. I’d never think he’s Russian or Ukrainian, he looks so foreign.

[thisismyaccount]

Yep, looks very European no denying it, there were other types in the same video down below, but he stood out a little more than the others . Either way, his look is certainly not out of place.

https://i.ibb.co/RyphjSQ/Screenshot-20240316-201732.jpg (https://ibb.co/YZ7D0Wf)
https://i.ibb.co/HPs307f/Screenshot-20240316-201518.jpg (https://ibb.co/QHRtZ93)
https://i.ibb.co/R4d4rvk/Screenshot-20240316-201802.jpg (https://ibb.co/fGLG61z)
https://i.ibb.co/Krk3FyD/Screenshot-20240316-201719.jpg (https://ibb.co/rwS14y3)
https://i.ibb.co/cYmM3LX/Screenshot-20240316-201704.jpg (https://ibb.co/VwKr9mp)
https://i.ibb.co/mFKQc4N/Screenshot-20240316-201600.jpg (https://ibb.co/TqGzgtW)
https://i.ibb.co/BrFHYJq/Screenshot-20240316-201545.jpg (https://ibb.co/qWVL28k)
https://i.ibb.co/5jZS0BR/Screenshot-20240316-201842.jpg (https://ibb.co/n1pYGzL)
https://i.ibb.co/bHTNpxT/Screenshot-20240316-201617.jpg (https://ibb.co/mvkhQmk)

They all look like shamali tajiks, though third guy can pass for pashtun. First guy can also be a mashriqi pashtun.

Are they all tajiks? I guess this is kabul city, provincial northern kabul districts or western districts

[Kess]

he can only pass as someone from Caucasus like Chechen.

He doesn’t look North Caucasian. I don’t think he passes.

But hey this is TA where average Afghan is Hallstatt Nordid.

[thisismyaccount]

You are not finding OP type in India however

They kind of exist in Kashmir, but its obviously rather because aryan ancestry, and arent near as common as in afghanistan


https://www.alamy.com/gloomy-look-of-villagers-in-balkote-area-after-a-woman-was-killed-due-to-border-shelling-in-hajipir-area-of-uri-sector-baramulla-jammu-and-kashmir-india-on-14-november-2020-eleven-people-including-six-civilians-four-army-soldiers-and-one-bsf-jawan-were-killed-and-over-20-others-injured-in-ceasefire-violations-by-pakistan-along-the-line-of-control-loc-in-four-districts-of-jk-on-friday-according-to-the-army-pakistan-initiated-unprovoked-ceasefire-violations-along-the-loc-in-multiple-sectors-including-dawar-in-bandipora-keran-in-kupwara-uri-and-naugam-in-baramulla-in-the-kashmir-va-image489355106.html?imageid=AF3808F9-91D5-443F-A2B1-6A9A445319F3&p=1976195&pn=13&searchId=056c1fba04b702d2d0ca272edd93d845&searchtype=0


https://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-holy-man-image18386449

[Avicenna]

They all look like shamali tajiks, though third guy can pass for pashtun. First guy can also be a mashriqi pashtun.

Are they all tajiks? I guess this is kabul city, provincial northern kabul districts or western districts

No, they aren't all shamali Tajiks, some are pashtuns some are tajiks from Kabul province, second to last is panjshiri

[Avicenna]

They kind of exist in Kashmir, but its obviously rather because aryan ancestry, and arent near as common as in afghanistan


https://www.alamy.com/gloomy-look-of-villagers-in-balkote-area-after-a-woman-was-killed-due-to-border-shelling-in-hajipir-area-of-uri-sector-baramulla-jammu-and-kashmir-india-on-14-november-2020-eleven-people-including-six-civilians-four-army-soldiers-and-one-bsf-jawan-were-killed-and-over-20-others-injured-in-ceasefire-violations-by-pakistan-along-the-line-of-control-loc-in-four-districts-of-jk-on-friday-according-to-the-army-pakistan-initiated-unprovoked-ceasefire-violations-along-the-loc-in-multiple-sectors-including-dawar-in-bandipora-keran-in-kupwara-uri-and-naugam-in-baramulla-in-the-kashmir-va-image489355106.html?imageid=AF3808F9-91D5-443F-A2B1-6A9A445319F3&p=1976195&pn=13&searchId=056c1fba04b702d2d0ca272edd93d845&searchtype=0

I thought I was talking to about OP type in Kashmir which is non existent

[thisismyaccount]

No, they aren't all shamali Tajiks, some are pashtuns some are tajiks from Kabul province, second to last is panjshiri

which of them are pashtuns?

[#Oda#]

lol no, he can only pass as someone from Caucasus like Chechen. I’d never think he’s Russian or Ukrainian, he looks so foreign.

Foreign? He could pass for a German according to that photo, I'm serious.

[Avicenna]

which of them are pashtuns?

These ones on certain are pashtuns

https://i.ibb.co/RyphjSQ/Screenshot-20240316-201732.jpg (https://ibb.co/YZ7D0Wf)
https://i.ibb.co/R4d4rvk/Screenshot-20240316-201802.jpg (https://ibb.co/fGLG61z)
https://i.ibb.co/BrFHYJq/Screenshot-20240316-201545.jpg (https://ibb.co/qWVL28k)

Some on the other hand could be potentially pashtuns but mixed with tajiks or from Kabul province, hence tajiks and pashtuns are pretty much identical .

For instance where do you reckon this man is from? Shamali? Mashriqi?

He's from Paktia

https://i.ibb.co/b5dMnkd/Screenshot-20240317-133240.jpg (https://ibb.co/B2s5R9s)

[Sylvanas]

Foreign? He could pass for a German according to that photo, I'm serious.




Different clothes and he can pass as German easily, yes

[Vessna]

Foreign? He could pass for a German according to that photo, I'm serious.

Germans don’t look Russian or Ukrainian.
I can see him looking western maybe but not passing in Belarus as a local for sure.

[Sylvanas]

Vessna, you wrote "he can only pass as someone from Caucasus like Chechen" and that is stupid

[Vessna]

Sylvanas, that’s what I would think of this person if I see them irl. He looks foreign to me, not local to the Baltics/NE. And yeah calling others stupid is very intellectual of you.

[omidjahan]

https://i.ibb.co/kMFbGmr/Screenshot-20240316-201817.jpg (https://ibb.co/wY1Gdcb)

Iranonordid+ asiatic alpine

[Vessna]

Btw we have afghan refugees where I live. I’ve seen them in numbers irl, none of them even if dressed western and having pseudo euro features look European in real life.

[Celestia]

Put a baseball cap on him and he’d look like a typical Germanic/Anglo American grandpa.

[Sylvanas]

Sylvanas, that’s what I would think of this person if I see them irl. He looks foreign to me, not local to the Baltics/NE. And yeah calling others stupid is very intellectual of you.

You wrote stupid sentence, are you stupid or not, I don't know and I don't care

[Mortimer]

The steppe ancestry in afghans is highly visible

[Avicenna]

Btw we have afghan refugees where I live. I’ve seen them in numbers irl, none of them even if dressed western and having pseudo euro features look European in real life.

I went to a gathering of afghans the other day, and there were so many Afghans in one place. Given that we are all on this forum I was certainly observing the phenotypes of the people who came in as I spoke to them, handed out drinks to them etc. There were plenty who could pass as Balkans/Romanians, although there were also plenty who looked west Asian and lesser so pakistani like. I noticed colored eyes was quite frequent regardless of where they could pass . Keep in mind majority of the people in the gathering were either tajiks or pashtuns. Refugees are a mix bag of everything. Also, I'm intrigued, how do you know they are Afghan? Do you speak to them? I highly doubt it you do, even here in the UK, Pakistanis and Afghans have similar clothing attire which people who are not aware of this can mistake the two for each other.

[Voskos]

Another one of Oliver's dream immigrants. Must be his lucky month.

[Vessna]

I went to a gathering of afghans the other day, and there were so many Afghans in one place. Given that we are all on this forum I was certainly observing the phenotypes of the people who came in as I spoke to them, handed out drinks to them etc. There were plenty who could pass as Balkans/Romanians, although there were also plenty who looked west Asian and lesser so pakistani like. I noticed colored eyes was quite frequent regardless of where they could pass . Keep in mind majority of the people in the gathering were either tajiks or pashtuns. Refugees are a mix bag of everything. Also, I'm intrigued, how do you know they are Afghan? Do you speak to them? I highly doubt it you do, even here in the UK, Pakistanis and Afghans have similar clothing attire which people who are not aware of this can mistake the two for each other.

I work in the medical field

[Avicenna]

I work in the medical field

Well you also initially claimed OP couldn't pass in Europe, even though he looks extremely European, so I don't know how reliable your statement is.

[Kess]

I went to a gathering of afghans the other day, and there were so many Afghans in one place. Given that we are all on this forum I was certainly observing the phenotypes of the people who came in as I spoke to them, handed out drinks to them etc. There were plenty who could pass as Balkans/Romanians, although there were also plenty who looked west Asian and lesser so pakistani like. I noticed colored eyes was quite frequent regardless of where they could pass . Keep in mind majority of the people in the gathering were either tajiks or pashtuns. Refugees are a mix bag of everything. Also, I'm intrigued, how do you know they are Afghan? Do you speak to them? I highly doubt it you do, even here in the UK, Pakistanis and Afghans have similar clothing attire which people who are not aware of this can mistake the two for each other.

Blehh,

No one cares ethnic division in Afghanistan.

If you are from Afghanistan=you are Afghan.

That’s what most people think.

[Vessna]

You wrote stupid sentence, are you stupid or not, I don't know and I don't care

Why are you so triggered? lol
Did I accidentally upset your buddy Russki?

[Vessna]

Well you also initially claimed OP couldn't pass in Europe, even though he looks extremely European, so I don't know how reliable your statement is.

I said he won’t pass as a Russian or Ukrainian/NE euro.
It’s not a hard science but rather my personal opinion.
I meet a lot of people from around the world every day. I’ve never mistaken a non-euro person for euro person irl. But you keep fooling yourself ;)

[thisismyaccount]

These ones on certain are pashtuns

https://i.ibb.co/RyphjSQ/Screenshot-20240316-201732.jpg (https://ibb.co/YZ7D0Wf)
https://i.ibb.co/R4d4rvk/Screenshot-20240316-201802.jpg (https://ibb.co/fGLG61z)
https://i.ibb.co/BrFHYJq/Screenshot-20240316-201545.jpg (https://ibb.co/qWVL28k)

Some on the other hand could be potentially pashtuns but mixed with tajiks or from Kabul province, hence tajiks and pashtuns are pretty much identical .

For instance where do you reckon this man is from? Shamali? Mashriqi?

He's from Paktia

https://i.ibb.co/b5dMnkd/Screenshot-20240317-133240.jpg (https://ibb.co/B2s5R9s)

The last guy is less shamali looking than the others I think looks shamali

I agree these could be pashtuns or other ethnicities, but are more likely to be pashtuns(especially first guy) than the rest of them who are very distinctly kabuli/shamali tajiks

[Avicenna]

Blehh,

No one cares ethnic division in Afghanistan.

If you are from Afghanistan=you are Afghan.

That’s what most people think.

That is true , if you are a outside you don't really care for it, however I'm taking just strictly from a phenotypic/genetic point of view. Just like Turks in Germany are always lumped as Kurds by Turks, no one really cares as they are Turks to everyone else.

[Kess]

That is true , if you are a outside you don't really care for it, however I'm taking just strictly from a phenotypic/genetic point of view. Just like Turks in Germany are always lumped as Kurds by Turks, no one really cares as they are Turks to everyone else.
Things have changed. Kurds have gotten themselves quite a bit of recognition around the world, especially in Europe. Even the Japanese call Kurd asylum seekers from Turkey as Kurds.

[Avicenna]

Things have changed. Kurds have gotten themselves quite a bit of recognition around the world, especially in Europe. Even the Japanese call Kurd asylum seekers from Turkey as Kurds.

Erm no, most just associate Kurds as Turks. They even look similar , Armenoid head shapes flat occiput or Anatolids. Atleast hazaras who make up the bulk of refugees look extremely different, hence why now when I say I'm afghan to people they are shocked as they thought Afghans looked Chinese or phillipino.

[Kess]

Erm no, most just associate Kurds as Turks .

BS. They have their place even in French textbooks.
127743

[lockdownboredom]

I remember that fella, former CIA agent, Sean Kent, abducted by the Taliban on May 2nd 2010 at twenty fifteen hours in Kabul during a botched recon mission. Glad to see him alive and well and assimilated into Afghani society.

[thisismyaccount]

BS. They have their place even in French textbooks.
127743

I have only just seen Iraqi kurds being called kurds in European articles, I dont remember turkish ones. Im not sure if Japanese even refers the migrants as kurds instead of just muslims?

[Kess]

I have only just seen Iraqi kurds being called kurds in European articles, I dont remember turkish ones. But Japan case is true

Kurds are Kurds. It doesn’t matter which state they are from.

[thisismyaccount]

It's just Iraqi ones I see refered as kurds, I dont even see iranian ones refered as kurds specifically. Neither ones from turkey

[Avicenna]

I remember that fella, former CIA agent, Sean Kent, abducted by the Taliban on May 2nd 2010 at twenty fifteen hours in Kabul during a botched recon mission. Glad to see him alive and well and assimilated into Afghani society.

Lmao

[Avicenna]

BS. They have their place even in French textbooks.
127743

Bleh

No one cares

I can also refer to old textbooks talking about the different ethnicities of Afghanistan.

[Avicenna]

Kurds are Kurds. It doesn’t matter which state they are from.

The ones in turkey are Turks

[Avicenna]

I have only just seen Iraqi kurds being called kurds in European articles, I dont remember turkish ones. Im not sure if Japanese even refers the migrants as kurds instead of just muslims?

He's a hypocrite man

[Voskos]

Alpine Med leaning towards Atlantomed.

[Kess]

It's just Iraqi ones I see refered as kurds, I dont even see iranian ones refered as kurds specifically. Neither ones from turkey

https://www.institutkurde.org/en/kurdorama/

Kurds are an Iranic ethnic group. Kurds and Turks have no relation similar to Persians.
Just go to the link at the top and see. They are recognized as a separate diaspora.

[Kess]

He's a hypocrite man

Keep your butthurt where it belongs and do not pollute this topic with personal attacks.

[Nationofsymbol]

Corded Ware didn't go to Central Asia and Bell Beaker is an off-shoot of Corded Ware. Wasn't it Sintashta who went to Central Asia they are however an off-shoot of Corded Ware all the Steppe populations are closely related anyway. However populations in Central Asia and Afghanistan have contributions from other populations which makes them very distant to Europeans.

This video is interesting because they uploaded a Sintashta genome to MyHeritage.

Sintasta was very European.

https://i.imgur.com/jVdaCzY.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVaWjQHS-8o

and that was what i was referring towards in the first place, sintashta IS corded ware, look how genetically identical they are to corded ware samples, on top of that they are closest to norweigans genetically, also the white phenotypes you see among afghans like that brad pitt looking afghan i posted before is 100 percent strictly from sintashta/corded ware

[Nationofsymbol]

Sintashta wasnt very European because the identity of Europe didn't even exist back then. Sintashta was proto Indo Iranian, which happens to be closely related to modern day northern Europeans, it certainly doesn't make it European itself. I think we are conflating two things together. Either way it's a classification thread not a genetic one!

Either way, Europeans, especially northern Europeans are heavily corded ware / bell beaker shifted which explains why they are closely related to the sintashta who were a offshoot of those people. South central Asians are direct descendants of those people.

germanics especially are strictly the same people as corded ware, bell beaker ancestry is not detected in them, bell beaker was also 70 percent corded ware additonal farmer ancestry, germanic people are two way mixture between single grave culture of denmark and battle axe culture of sweden and norway

[Oghuz]

Proto-Nordoid/Irano-Nordoid. Kinda similar to Mohammed Ali Ramin from Iran.

https://www.memri.org/sites/default/files/pic_clip/ramin.jpg

[Nationofsymbol]

Yep, looks very European no denying it, there were other types in the same video down below, but he stood out a little more than the others . Either way, his look is certainly not out of place.

https://i.ibb.co/RyphjSQ/Screenshot-20240316-201732.jpg (https://ibb.co/YZ7D0Wf)
https://i.ibb.co/HPs307f/Screenshot-20240316-201518.jpg (https://ibb.co/QHRtZ93)
https://i.ibb.co/R4d4rvk/Screenshot-20240316-201802.jpg (https://ibb.co/fGLG61z)
https://i.ibb.co/Krk3FyD/Screenshot-20240316-201719.jpg (https://ibb.co/rwS14y3)
https://i.ibb.co/cYmM3LX/Screenshot-20240316-201704.jpg (https://ibb.co/VwKr9mp)
https://i.ibb.co/mFKQc4N/Screenshot-20240316-201600.jpg (https://ibb.co/TqGzgtW)
https://i.ibb.co/BrFHYJq/Screenshot-20240316-201545.jpg (https://ibb.co/qWVL28k)
https://i.ibb.co/5jZS0BR/Screenshot-20240316-201842.jpg (https://ibb.co/n1pYGzL)
https://i.ibb.co/bHTNpxT/Screenshot-20240316-201617.jpg (https://ibb.co/mvkhQmk)

do you have any more pics like this? any more with a blond dude perhaps? the last dude looks very english

[Nationofsymbol]

I said he won’t pass as a Russian or Ukrainian/NE euro.
It’s not a hard science but rather my personal opinion.
I meet a lot of people from around the world every day. I’ve never mistaken a non-euro person for euro person irl. But you keep fooling yourself ;)

what is this? you think there are no european looking afghans? HA, want me to show you one who looks danish? or english? alot of afghans actually 60 percent can pass in ukraine or russia, quit thinking they are that different looking in the first place, slavs themselves have extremely mixed uralid lappid ethnic ogre phenotype with short skulls and potato heads, they dont even look proper european

[Nationofsymbol]

Proto-Nordoid/Irano-Nordoid. Kinda similar to Mohammed Ali Ramin from Iran.

https://www.memri.org/sites/default/files/pic_clip/ramin.jpg

this dude kind of looks anglo saxon and irano afghan to me, but idk

[Headsoccer]

R1a genes here!

Looks like he's from central Europe, but I guess he looked more "exotic" when he was younger and not gray-haired.

[Vessna]

what is this?

This is called personal opinion. Pictures on the internets don’t equal reality and I am talking real life here. There is a psychological theory of imprinting and facial recognition that acts as a survival mechanism in human infants and children. That mechanism helps to distinguish your own kind vs others. You have to grow up in the environment in order to develop that recognition. Most people in real life would be able to recognize people of their own ethnicity. To me that man does not look like my own kind.

[Avicenna]

https://www.institutkurde.org/en/kurdorama/

Kurds are an Iranic ethnic group. Kurds and Turks have no relation similar to Persians.
Just go to the link at the top and see. They are recognized as a separate diaspora.

Hazaras are Turco Mongols, uzbeks are Turkics, turkmens are Turkics, aimaqs are perso - Mongols , but at the end of day no ine cares right? Why don't you try and stay consistent with your principles then maybe just maybe you won't get labeled as a hypocrite.

[Avicenna]

do you have any more pics like this? any more with a blond dude perhaps? the last dude looks very english

Ramadan has just started so I reckon there will be more "iftar " night videos like the one above, I will be on the lookout but I can't be bothered to watch all of it lol. It also depends on the area of Kabul, as some areas are predominantly hazaras etc.

I also disagree, he does not look English imo

[Oghuz]

this dude kind of looks anglo saxon and irano afghan to me, but idk

IMO he can't pass anywhere else, He is a southwest Persian, the baseline Iranid phenotype is visible despite the hair color.

[Avicenna]

what is this? you think there are no european looking afghans? HA, want me to show you one who looks danish? or english? alot of afghans actually 60 percent can pass in ukraine or russia, quit thinking they are that different looking in the first place, slavs themselves have extremely mixed uralid lappid ethnic ogre phenotype with short skulls and potato heads, they dont even look proper european

Huh??? 60%? Either I've misunderstood or that's just absurd lol. But yes, like I said I was a gathering the other night and I was paying extra close attention to phenotypes. Keep in mind these were mostly urban dwellers and not rural mountain types.

[Avicenna]

This is called personal opinion. Pictures on the internets don’t equal reality and I am talking real life here. There is a psychological theory of imprinting and facial recognition that acts as a survival mechanism in human infants and children. That mechanism helps to distinguish your own kind vs others. You have to grow up in the environment in order to develop that recognition. Most people in real life would be able to recognize people of their own ethnicity. To me that man does not look like my own kind.

Fair enough, you are entitled to your own opinion

[Nationofsymbol]

Huh??? 60%? Either I've misunderstood or that's just absurd lol. But yes, like I said I was a gathering the other night and I was paying extra close attention to phenotypes. Keep in mind these were mostly urban dwellers and not rural mountain types.

dude, its really not hard to believe, i mean have you ever seen slavs? they are almost never blond the men especially, they have giant weird hooked noses and looked very mixed in general, this afghan dude looks more whiter than 80 percent of russian men

[Avicenna]

dude, its really not hard to believe, i mean have you ever seen slavs? they are almost never blond the men especially, they have giant weird hooked noses and looked very mixed in general, this afghan dude looks more whiter than 80 percent of russian men

Yes but 60% of who exactly? Afghanistan is more larger than the whole of Levant and more diverse than many countries so you will find different ranges of looks depending on a) ethnic group b) area of the country c) sub tribe/ village.

[Vessna]

dude, its really not hard to believe, i mean have you ever seen slavs? they are almost never blond the men especially, they have giant weird hooked noses and looked very mixed in general, this afghan dude looks more whiter than 80 percent of russian men

You’re so delusional :D

[Nationofsymbol]

You’re so delusional :D

LOL just look up the ukranian plates posted in this scetion of taxamony, all of them look like ogres, short faces, short heads with uralid features, you guys will never look nordic

[Avicenna]

do you have any more pics like this? any more with a blond dude perhaps? the last dude looks very english

Just found this right now

https://i.ibb.co/dp9JB97/Screenshot-20240317-164020.jpg (https://ibb.co/DMXg4XL)

[Vessna]

LOL just look up the ukranian plates posted in this scetion of taxamony, all of them look like ogres, short faces, short heads with uralid features, you guys will never look nordic

I don’t need to look at plates. I have the pleasure of seeing real people in real life.
I’ve said this before and will say it again - no one in the NE Europe cares about hair or eye color. The only people that obsess over it are non-euros and certain southern euro groups.
Northern Slavs never claimed to be “Nordic” btw.

[Nationofsymbol]

I don’t need to look at plates. I have the pleasure of seeing real people in real life.
I’ve said this before and will say it again - no one in the NE Europe cares about hair or eye color. The only people that obsess over it are non-euros and certain southern euro groups.
Northern Slavs never claimed to be “Nordic” btw.
even north italians or spainards look more european then you guys, not because pigmentation but facial structure

[Nationofsymbol]

Just found this right now

https://i.ibb.co/dp9JB97/Screenshot-20240317-164020.jpg (https://ibb.co/DMXg4XL)

damn dude someones gotta have to make a thread on this guy, looks english

[Vessna]

even north italians or spainards look more european then you guys, not because pigmentation but facial structure

And what is a “European facial structure”?

[Vessna]

damn dude someones gotta have to make a thread on this guy, looks english

lol he doesn’t look northern euro
the best he can do is Ashkenazi


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[Avicenna]

I don’t need to look at plates. I have the pleasure of seeing real people in real life.
I’ve said this before and will say it again - no one in the NE Europe cares about hair or eye color. The only people that obsess over it are non-euros and certain southern euro groups.
Northern Slavs never claimed to be “Nordic” btw.

Okay guys we get it, now please stop arguing :)

[Oliver109]

He resembles this Riffian, upper paleolithic survivors were said to have a seat in central Asia as well as in north Africa so it isn't surprising that they crop up in northern Afghanistan, going by other examples in the thread he isn't that uncommon either
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe103.jpg

[Nationofsymbol]

lol he doesn’t look northern euro
the best he can do is Ashkenazi


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what is that implying? there there are no northern euro looking afghans? i can show you a danish looking afghan right away so easy

[Vessna]

what is that implying? there there are no northern euro looking afghans? i can show you a danish looking afghan right away so easy

it’s implying that non-European genotypes can occasionally look pseudo-Euro in terms of pigmentation but go ahead

[Avicenna]

He resembles this Riffian, upper paleolithic survivors were said to have a seat in central Asia as well as in north Africa so it isn't surprising that they crop up in northern Afghanistan, going by other examples in the thread he isn't that uncommon either
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe103.jpg

Actually I wouldn't say northern Afghanistan, rather northeast, east and southeast Afghanistan where most Iranic / Nuristani populations inhabit .

[Oliver109]

Actually I wouldn't say northern Afghanistan, rather northeast, east and southeast Afghanistan where most Iranic / Nuristani populations inhabit .

Oh thats true yes

[Avicenna]

He resembles this Riffian, upper paleolithic survivors were said to have a seat in central Asia as well as in north Africa so it isn't surprising that they crop up in northern Afghanistan, going by other examples in the thread he isn't that uncommon either
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe103.jpg

Bro come on lol, looks nothing like that man

[Nationofsymbol]

And what is a “European facial structure”?

extremely sharply profiled features, purely Caucasoid, slavs have mostly uralic and very borrelized and mongrel look to them especially the men

[Vessna]

extremely sharply profiled features, purely Caucasoid, slavs have mostly uralic and very borrelized and mongrel look to them especially the men

What Slavs are you talking about?
With the exception of Northern Russians, East Slavs have very negligible or no Finn-Uralic admixture.

[Avicenna]

Oh thats true yes

I mean you can say Badakshan as north but I think it's more northeast. Northern Afghanistan is usually dominated by Turkic groups but also tajiks in some areas.

For instance, this family friend of ours is from Mazar e sharif, he looks quite Caucasian looking and so do his brother's but his sister looks quite east Asian looking like a Filipino

Please don't quote

[Oliver109]

What Slavs are you talking about?
With the exception of Northern Russians, East Slavs have very negligible or no Finn-Uralic admixture.

Rubbish, most Slavs look very foreign to me, these Afghan guys posted have looks more at home to me as a British inhabitant while the average Slav looks very borealized.

[Voskos]

Why do you guys want to look northern Euro anyways? I'm a swarthy looking med man and would never exchange my looks , or even my shitty genes.

[Avicenna]

Why do you guys want to look northern Euro anyways? I'm a swarthy looking med man and would never exchange my looks , or even my shitty genes.

It's not, however it's cool to have a country where you have people that look German, Pakistani, Greek, Lebanese , Chinese haha

[Vessna]

Rubbish, most Slavs look very foreign to me, these Afghan guys posted have looks more at home to me as a British inhabitant while the average Slav looks very borealized.

I’ve been to the UK. Most Brits look like ugly ogres to me. Can I count them as non euro since they are the islanders?
I doubt you even know what the average Slav looks like. I don’t understand how this is even a discussion. Northern Slavs genetically are as euro as it can be.

[Oliver109]

I’ve been to the UK. Most Brits look like ugly ogres to me. Can I count them as non euro since they are the islanders?
I doubt you even know what the average Slav looks like. I don’t understand how this is even a discussion. Northern Slavs genetically are as euro as it can be.

hahaha, British people have character in their looks they are not ugly just distinct but Slavs we have a lot of and the majority don't look like locals, you can call Brits what you want but at the end of the day they are the most pure Caucasoids.

[Avicenna]

do you have any more pics like this? any more with a blond dude perhaps? the last dude looks very english

Today's video, I don't know why but the high 4k camera wasn't used , however just skimmed through and found him

https://i.ibb.co/s6Y4Fqx/Screenshot-20240317-173732.jpg (https://ibb.co/RBwKCcr)
upload (https://imgbb.com/)

[Vessna]

hahaha, British people have character in their looks they are not ugly just distinct but Slavs we have a lot of and the majority don't look like locals, you can call Brits what you want but at the end of the day they are the most pure Caucasoids.

You’re missing the point. Brits look foreign to me. What is a pure caucasoid anyway?
I don’t think Brits should be considered European, too much EEF and they don’t even live in Europe. Also, the fact that the afghan man can pass as a local in the UK is very telling.

[Nationofsymbol]

What Slavs are you talking about?
With the exception of Northern Russians, East Slavs have very negligible or no Finn-Uralic admixture.

oh dont worry, ive seen plenty of slavs here, thanks to the refugee crisis in ukraine LOL, anyways, you guys look 80 percent of the time borrelized and havily ethnic, if you dont have any uralic ancestry than its central asian looks that fuck up your face and make you look extremely ethnic, ive already checked russian samples and majority of them have nagnassan or central asian LOL, i dont care if its minor, becuase even minor exogenou input can influence your overall phenotype SUBSTANTIALLY, thats why some swedes dont look like stereotypical swedes, thanks to the viking age alot of slav with their potato head phenotypes came as slaves and ended up being cocubines, very unfortunate

[Oliver109]

You’re missing the point. Brits look foreign to me. What is a pure caucasoid anyway?
I don’t think Brits should be considered European, too much EEF and they don’t even live in Europe. Also, the fact that the afghan man can pass as a local in the UK is very telling.

EEF is pure Caucasoid so i would say that the Brits don't have any uncaucasoid dna in their line, i don't care how white a mutt like Putin may look as they are basically non white in their ethnic makeup.

[Vessna]

oh dont worry, ive seen plenty of slavs here, thanks to the refugee crisis in ukraine LOL, anyways, you guys look 80 percent of the time borrelized and havily ethnic, if you dont have any uralic ancestry than its central asian looks that fuck up your face and make you look extremely ethnic, ive already checked russian samples and majority of them have nagnassan or central asian LOL, i dont care if its minor, becuase even minor exogenou input can influence your overall phenotype SUBSTANTIALLY, thats why some swedes dont look like stereotypical swedes, thanks to the viking age alot of slav with their potato head phenotypes came as slaves and ended up being cocubines, very unfortunate

I am glad I got your autism triggered :D
Brits are over 50% Anatolian farmer, to me some of them look MENA. No wonder these afghans pass there.

[Vessna]

EEF is pure Caucasoid so i would say that the Brits don't have any uncaucasoid dna in their line, i don't care how white a mutt like Putin may look as they are basically non white in their ethnic makeup.

EEF is non European. Brits look like depigmented MENA to me.


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[Oliver109]

EEF is non European. Brits look like depigmented MENA to me.


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EEF is still a basically white dna while Russians and Slavs have Mongoloid

[Scarface F]

Moronic thread and brown Afghan OWD is off the charts.

[Nationofsymbol]

You’re missing the point. Brits look foreign to me. What is a pure caucasoid anyway?
I don’t think Brits should be considered European, too much EEF and they don’t even live in Europe. Also, the fact that the afghan man can pass as a local in the UK is very telling.

this logic makes no sense and have zero cognate with my point

[Scarface F]

EEF is non European. Brits look like depigmented MENA to me.


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EEF is European and peaks in Europeans. You are probably confusing it with "Natufian"

[Vessna]

EEF is still a basically white dna while Russians and Slavs have Mongoloid

lol sure

Whatever makes you feel better

[Vessna]

this logic makes no sense and have zero cognate with my point

What makes no sense? Afghans passing in the UK as a local?

[Scarface F]

EEF is still a basically white dna while Russians and Slavs have Mongoloid

Afghans have far more mongoloid input than Slavs. And ofcourse Indian, which is why you look on average brown.

[Nationofsymbol]

I am glad I got your autism triggered :D
Brits are over 50% Anatolian farmer, to me some of them look MENA. No wonder these afghans pass there.

seriously why do slavs look like this


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[Oliver109]

EEF is European and peaks in Europeans. You are probably confusing it with "Natufian"

even Natufians were said to have robust skeletons similar to the Irish

[Nationofsymbol]

EEF is non European. Brits look like depigmented MENA to me.


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eef is not non european LOL

[Scarface F]

Gypsises are closest "European" population to Afghans in looks and genetics.

[kingmob]

EEF is non European. Brits look like depigmented MENA to me.






Brits mog you, though, no hate.

[Nationofsymbol]

What makes no sense? Afghans passing in the UK as a local?

what makes no sense you pulling eef into the argument, europeans are mixture of three components, eef, wsh and whg, anything aside from that is non white, its simple math

[Scarface F]

even Natufians were said to have robust skeletons similar to the Irish

I doubt it considering Natufian heavy populations are very gracile.

[Vessna]

EEF is European and peaks in Europeans. You are probably confusing it with "Natufian"

Not indigenous to Europe
Came from Asia with the spread of agriculture

[Nationofsymbol]

Today's video, I don't know why but the high 4k camera wasn't used , however just skimmed through and found him

https://i.ibb.co/s6Y4Fqx/Screenshot-20240317-173732.jpg (https://ibb.co/RBwKCcr)
upload (https://imgbb.com/)

looks kinda slovakian tbh, interesting though the jaw forhead looks very common in britian though

[Nationofsymbol]

Not indigenous to Europe
Came from Asia with the spread of agriculture

so did hunter gatherers, they came from africa as homo sapients, whats your point? theres no such thing as indigenous european going by your logic

[Vessna]

seriously why do slavs look like this


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I am not responsible for someone’s artistic interpretation of Slavic looks. I don’t look like this.

[Scarface F]

Not indigenous to Europe
Came from Asia with the spread of agriculture

Every component came from Asia ultimately. WHG would be most native one but even that migrated from somewhere.

EEF peaks in SW Europeans while MENAS have massive Natufian, Caucasus and minor SSA/Indian input.

[Nationofsymbol]

EEF is non European. Brits look like depigmented MENA to me.


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this is a pure joke, if brits look like mena than sslavs look negriod

[Nationofsymbol]

I am not responsible for someone’s artistic interpretation of Slavic looks. I don’t look like this.

his is a facial reconstruction by a proper funded program lol, i can show you more slavic facial reconstruction which are all non cherrypicked

[kingmob]

what makes no sense you pulling eef into the argument, europeans are mixture of three components, eef, wsh and whg, anything aside from that is non white, its simple math


Eastern Euro insecurities towards Anglos.

[Scarface F]

his is a facial reconstruction by a proper funded program lol, i can show you more slavic facial reconstruction which are all non cherrypicked

Original Slavic skulls were Nordic. They got round headed later in medieval due to harsh climate, sedentary farmer life and bad nutrition. Currently in Europe is ongoing debrachycephalization process.

[Vessna]

so did hunter gatherers, they came from africa as homo sapients, whats your point? theres no such thing as indigenous european going by your logic

Hunter gatherers arrived to Europe 11000 years ago, sufficient enough time to form a genetically distinct population. Early farmers expanded from Asia just 4000 years ago.

[Scarface F]

I am highly Slavic for my ethnic group (over 60%) and nobody in my family has potato round face. Slavs from Adriatic islands like me are known for their narrow faces and dolicocephalic skulls (Med-Nordid cline) in contrast to round headed northern Croats, or dinarid Slavs from inner Dalmatia/BiH for example.

[Nationofsymbol]

Original Slavic skulls were Nordic. They got round headed later in medieval due to harsh climate, sedentary farmer life and bad nutrition. Currently in Europe is ongoing debrachycephalization process.

this is not true at all, doli does not correlate with just "nordic" what matters is their source ancestry, since they derive from the heavily genetically drifted bronze age estonian like cluster, they had always a distinct look to nordics or germanics, despite their craniometric similarity towards nords, sure craniametric averages can give a accurate layout as on how each population looked like in Comparision to other populations, but slavs fall very short in that department, they are craniometrically on averages analysis different, but most importantly. they are heavily drifted and derive from estonian BA like populations, seriously though, why do people still take 100 year old anthropologic literature to face value who cares what coon said

[Nationofsymbol]

I am highly Slavic for my ethnic group (over 60%) and nobody in my family has potato round face. Slavs from Adriatic islands like me are known for their narrow faces and dolicocephalic skulls (Med-Nordid cline) in contrast to round headed northern Croats, for example.

even the ones who are doli still look ethnic as fuck and not as proper Europid as western europeans, they look often mixed with central asian ancestry

[Vessna]

Eastern Euro insecurities towards Anglos.

Double standards. It’s okay to call Slavs Asian but not okay to point out that Brits are high EEF ugly looking things? I personally dont care about Anglos.

[kingmob]

Dolichocephalic C.I. is a Med trait.

[Scarface F]

Dolichocephalic C.I. is a Med trait.

I am hyperdolicho.

[Oliver109]

I doubt it considering Natufian heavy populations are very gracile.

Remember this was like more than 10 thousand years ago, the population has changed a lot since then, become alpinised and more arab influenced, remember at the time the middle east was basically divided between meds and more robust paleolithic people but a lot ended up migrating up to Europe and remote parts of north Africa, the middle east was never a single arab race.

[Nationofsymbol]

Hunter gatherers arrived to Europe 11000 years ago, sufficient enough time to form a genetically distinct population. Early farmers expanded from Asia just 4000 years ago.

LOL, using your dumb logic, which is very self-contradicting, we can say that none of the Europeans in europea is technically european, since all of them have below 35 percent pure cro magnid hunter gatherer ancestry

[Scarface F]

this is not true at all, doli does not correlate with just "nordic" what matters is their source ancestry, since they derive from the heavily genetically drifted bronze age estonian like cluster, they had always a distinct look to nordics or germanics, despite their craniometric similarity towards nords, sure craniametric averages can give a accurate layout as on how each population looked like in Comparision to other populations, but slavs fall very short in that department, they are craniometrically on averages analysis different, but most importantly. they are heavily drifted and derive from estonian BA like populations, seriously though, why do people still take 100 year old anthropologic literature to face value who cares what coon said

Wrong.

Most original Nordic type is Corded that is in the east, not "Germanic".

[Scarface F]

even the ones who are doli still look ethnic as fuck and not as proper Europid as western europeans, they look often mixed with central asian ancestry

Nonsense. You guys are brown and actual south central Asians. Deal with it.

[kingmob]

Double standards. It’s okay to call Slavs Asian but not okay to point out that Brits are high EEF ugly looking things? I personally dont care about Anglos.


I saw your picture, my anglo wife absolutely humbles you and she's also whiter/blonder/blued eye than you, since you care about those things so much in your retarded world view.

Oh, and she's older than you, also.

Potato heads should steer clear of calling people ugly.

[Hektor12]

Not indigenous to Europe
Came from Asia with the spread of agriculture

Not indigenous to Asia
Came from Afrika with migration wave.

[Nationofsymbol]

Wrong.

Most original Nordic type is Corded that is in the east, not "Germanic".

wrong? is that all you have to say? corded nordids are best represented by germanic people for a reason, while slavs with their east nordids often look borrelized and batlicized, did you not read why i said?

[Nationofsymbol]

I saw your picture, my anglo wife absolutely humbles you and she's also whiter/blonder/blued eye than you, since you care about those things so much in your retarded world view.

Oh, and she's older than you, also.

Potato heads should steer clear of calling people ugly.

fucking based dude, i hate slavs with their stormfronting views, like know your place and just accept it

[Scarface F]

Double standards. It’s okay to call Slavs Asian but not okay to point out that Brits are high EEF ugly looking things? I personally dont care about Anglos.

I don't find Brits ugly.

When I was in England and Ireland, I saw quite many handsome guys. They are not high EEF either. Irish/Scottish are some of most steppe heavy populations in entire Europe.

[Nationofsymbol]

Nonsense. You guys are brown and actual south central Asians. Deal with it.

oh no she called me brown!! she won argument closed

[Scarface F]

oh no she called me brown!! she won argument closed

I see nothing wrong with being brown. But you do.

[Nationofsymbol]

I see nothing wrong with being brown. But you do.

indians are hands down the ugliest race, if you dont think that then you are clearly virtue signaling
and giggle in secret about you being superior and white to them lol

but aside from that, my inital point is you guys appear mixed and distinctive

[Vessna]

I saw your picture, my anglo wife absolutely humbles you and she's also whiter/blonder/blued eye than you, since you care about those things so much in your retarded world view.

Oh, and she's older than you, also.

Potato heads should steer clear of calling people ugly.

If you can read, I did not state anywhere that I care about pigmentation. I would hope you like your Anglo wife :) I am perfectly happy with my looks and I don’t appreciate personal attacks. That’s what people do when they run out of arguments.

[Scarface F]

wrong? is that all you have to say? corded nordids are best represented by germanic people for a reason, while slavs with their east nordids often look borrelized and batlicized, did you not read why i said?

This is simply incorrect. Corded Nordid peaks in central Russians. Southern Scandinavians are mostly Hallstatt. Troedner type that is Germanic is part Corded, but also part CM.

Corded Nordid is rare in western Europeans.

[Vessna]

fucking based dude, i hate slavs with their stormfronting views, like know your place and just accept it

we are indifferent to Anglos
you are punished enough with your sad looks
most beautiful women are Slavic

[Nationofsymbol]

This is simply incorrect. Corded Nordid peaks in central Russians. Southern Scandinavians are mostly Hallstatt. Troedner type that is Germanic is part Corded, but also part CM.

Corded Nordid is rare in western Europeans.

this is really really false, either corded nordids look slavic or they simply never were a thing in corded ware, you are just going based off of phenowiki maps which is funny, its not even acedmically upheld, seriously show me 1 modern source saying what you just said, anyways, purest corded nordics look germanic and germanics are the only remaning modern unadmixed corded ware derived people, proven by craniometry and genetics

this is what a real corded nordid looks like

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also what cm germanics have? dont make me post the recent study showing single grave and battle axe people wiping out the population of funnelbeaker and ertobolle please

[Scarface F]

indians are hands down the ugliest race, if you dont think that then you are clearly virtue signaling
and giggle in secret about you being superior and white to them lol

but aside from that, my inital point is you guys appear mixed and distinctive

Indians are (to me) ugly indeed. Afghans aren't. But that doesn't mean you are not part south Asian (you are). Being ashamed of any ancestry you may have is pathetic.

Slavs are diverse. I am Slavic but don't look like one according to Vessna. And there is nothing "mixed" about Slavs compared to other Europeans, just your wishful thinking.

[kingmob]

I am hyperdolicho.


:thumbs


I am Meso (78.12%) so way more potato than you.

[Scarface F]

fucking based dude, i hate slavs with their stormfronting views, like know your place and just accept it

I guess you hate Slavs because they don't welcome Afghan savages in their countries like western morons.

[Nationofsymbol]

Indians are (to me) ugly indeed. Afghans aren't. But that doesn't mean you are not part south Asian (you are). Being ashamed of any ancestry you may have is pathetic.

Slavs are diverse. I am Slavic but don't look like one according to Vessna. And there is nothing "mixed" about Slavs compared to other Europeans, just your wishful thinking.

its not wishful thinking, everyone thinks this way, do you want me to model russians and ukraines and show you how genetically drifted they are from their european counterparts? they also have additonal central asian, uralic/east eurasian ancestry

[Nationofsymbol]

I guess you hate Slavs because they don't welcome Afghan savages in their countries like western morons.

them welcoming the afghan savages wont change anything there, since slavs themselves are ogres themselves LOL

[Laredo]

we are indifferent to Anglos
you are punished enough with your sad looks
most beautiful women are Slavic

I saw your picture from what I remembered you are very beautiful. To me Slavs, mediterraneans, and heavily euro mixed Latinos are one the best looking people In the planet.

I'm not really Into Anglos either they are exceptions but not my type.

[Scarface F]

this is really really false, either corded nordids look slavic or they simply never were a thing in corded ware, you are just going based off of phenowiki maps which is funny, its not even acedmically upheld, seriously show me 1 modern source saying what you just said, anyways, purest corded nordics look germanic and germanics are the only remaning modern unadmixed corded ware derived people, proven by craniometry and genetics

this is what a real corded nordid looks like

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also what cm germanics have? dont make me post the recent study showing single grave and battle axe people wiping out the population of funnelbeaker and ertobolle please

I live in Europe, you know. And travel around it.

[Scarface F]

them welcoming the afghan savages wont change anything there, since slavs themselves are ogres themselves LOL

Slavs are awesome. I love being one :P

[Nationofsymbol]

I live in Europe, you know. And travel around it.

lol okay, you totally have all the time in the world to stare at peoples faces like a weirdo, but no, you are going strictly based off the map, just post 1 modern source its so simple

[kingmob]

That’s what people do when they run out of arguments.


You mean like you calling people ugly due to their Med admixture?

Nothing personal, you just needed to be taken down a peg or two.

[Scarface F]

its not wishful thinking, everyone thinks this way, do you want me to model russians and ukraines and show you how genetically drifted they are from their european counterparts? they also have additonal central asian, uralic/east eurasian ancestry

I love Uralics, beautiful people. :thumb001: Unfortunately only some Russians are mixed with them.

I am aware of Balto Slavic drift. Cool thing.

[Nationofsymbol]

Slavs are awesome. I love being one :P

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[Nationofsymbol]

I love Uralics, beautiful people. :thumb001: Unfortunately only some Russians are mixed with them.

I am aware if Balto Slavic drift. Cool thing.

not some, alot of them also derive from the kransoyars_BA people similar to botai LOL

[Nationofsymbol]

I love Uralics, beautiful people. :thumb001: Unfortunately only some Russians are mixed with them.

I am aware of Balto Slavic drift. Cool thing.

yeah so you guys are weird

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[Vessna]

Indians are (to me) ugly indeed. Afghans aren't. But that doesn't mean you are not part south Asian (you are). Being ashamed of any ancestry you may have is pathetic.

Slavs are diverse. I am Slavic but don't look like one according to Vessna. And there is nothing "mixed" about Slavs compared to other Europeans, just your wishful thinking.

I’ve never been told I look anything other than generic Euro and I am as Slavic as one can get.
Only TA autists (no offense) can call Slavs “mixed”.
This is just absurd.



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[Scarface F]

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Weird examples, but I prefer Slavic men looks in general.

[Nationofsymbol]

I’ve never been told I look anything other than generic Euro and I am as Slavic as one can get.
Only TA autists (no offense) can call Slavs “mixed”.
This is just absurd.


you look like if you are mixed with latino or south american lol, remove the blond hair and boom, typical columbian foid

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[Scarface F]

Agree Vessna. You could easily pass for Swede for example.

[Vessna]

its not wishful thinking, everyone thinks this way, do you want me to model russians and ukraines and show you how genetically drifted they are from their european counterparts? they also have additonal central asian, uralic/east eurasian ancestry

Can you model to see how we are drifted from the rest of world population compared to the rest of Europeans?

[Scarface F]

you look like if you are mixed with latino or south american lol, remove the blond hair and boom, typical columbian foid

She doesn't lol. Many Swedish women look like her because Swedish females are often Nordo-Baltid.

[Nationofsymbol]

Weird examples, but I prefer Slavic men looks in general.

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[Vessna]

you look like if you are mixed with latino or south american lol, remove the blond hair and boom, typical columbian foid

don’t quote the image that’s rude
lol you’re are delusional

[Oliver109]

I guess you hate Slavs because they don't welcome Afghan savages in their countries like western morons.

Lol I don't mind so called Afghan savages, they are not the main problem, londonistan is full of Pakistanis, Somalis, Indians who are even more backwards, I would take Afghans over them any time and frankly a lot of Afghans don't look less European than the Greek and Bulgarians.

[Nationofsymbol]

Can you model to see how we are drifted from the rest of world population compared to the rest of Europeans?

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you guys are fucked

[Vessna]

Nothing personal, you just needed to be taken down a peg or two.

lol good luck

[Nationofsymbol]

don’t quote the image that’s rude
lol you’re are delusional

you look giga slavvic, typical slav woman with a egg head

[kingmob]

lol good luck


Your head looks typical eastern euro potato variety.

[Nationofsymbol]

She doesn't lol. Many Swedish women look like her because Swedish females are often Nordo-Baltid.

nah she clearly has mesitzo look to her

[Vessna]

Your head looks typical eastern euro potato variety.

At least I am not afraid to show my face unlike you cowards :P
I am not even sure you are Anglos since I’ve never seen your pictures or genetic test results.

[Vessna]

you look giga slavvic, typical slav woman with a egg head

I look beautiful and no incel can convince me otherwise :)

[Nationofsymbol]

I look beautiful and no incel can convince me otherwise :)

only ugly women call themselves "beautiful" and are egotsitical as fuck and unrealistically self absorbed LOL, i can detect 5 divorces for you in the future and a body count of 100 thanks to insecurities.

[kingmob]

At least I am not afraid to show my face unlike you cowards :P
I am not even sure you are Anglos since I’ve never seen your pictures or genetic test results.


Lol?

Everyone knows what I look like, I posted countless photos of both myself and my wife.

And I am not an Anglo, I am Greek and as Med as you can get, my PCA dot is right on top of Crete and I am the closest person you will find to Medieval Byzantines.

[Vessna]

only ugly women call themselves "beautiful" and are egotsitical as fuck and unrealistically self absorbed LOL, i can detect 5 divorces for you in the future and a body count of 100 thanks to insecurities.

Your crystal ball is broken lol
I’ve been married for a long time now :)

[Vessna]

Lol?

Everyone knows what I look like, I posted countless photos of both myself and my wife.

And I am not an Anglo, I am Greek and as Med as you can get, my PCA dot is right on top of Crete and I am the closest person you will find to Medieval Byzantines.

Now it makes sense why you’re so autistic about pigmentation. It’s atypical for northern euro to care.

[Nationofsymbol]

Your crystal ball is broken lol
I’ve been married for a long time now :)

poor guy, hes probably out there breaking his back at work while you cheat around with foreigners like the typical ukranian bitches after being left in other countries by their husbans to flee the war, slavic women are the biggest goldiggers on the planet, their men are only for resources

[Kess]

At least I am not afraid to show my face unlike you cowards :P
I am not even sure you are Anglos since I’ve never seen your pictures or genetic test results.

He posted his face numerous times and he's Greek.

[Vessna]

poor guy, hes probably out there breaking his back at work while you cheat around with foreigners like the typical ukranian bitches after being left in other countries by their husbans to flee the war, slavic women are the biggest goldiggers on the planet, their men are only for resources

Great assumptions but I am actually a money making professional :D

[kingmob]

Now it makes sense why you’re so autistic about pigmentation. It’s atypical for northern euro to care.


Me?

"Autistic about pigmentation?"

I am as white in my complexion as you in that picture you posted.

Do you think I use my skin complexion to find my self-worth as you do, eastern euro discount-market racists?

[Nationofsymbol]

Great assumptions but I am actually a money making professional :D

then hes probably a stay at home cuck doing the chores that is supposed to be a women thing while you are outside living the party and sex life

[Vessna]

Me?

"Autistic about pigmentation?"

I am as white in my complexion as you in that picture you posted.

Do you think I use my complexion to find my self-worth as you do, eastern euro discount-market racists?

And now I am a racist? After calling me Asian, Slavic egg head, Mongoloid etc? Hypocrites


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[Nationofsymbol]

Me?

"Autistic about pigmentation?"

I am as white in my complexion as you in that picture you posted.

Do you think I use my skin complexion to find my self-worth as you do, eastern euro discount-market racists?

eastern euros being racist is the funniest thing ever, they look like potato heads themselves with a weird alien mixed look and shit on others to make themselves feel better

[Nationofsymbol]

And now I am a racist? After calling me Asian, Slavic egg head, Mongoloid etc? Hypocrites


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thats not racism, just accept what you are, plenty of slavs think they are something beyond what they truly are, a potato head brachy headed mixed ethnic distinct looking person

[Vessna]

then hes probably a stay at home cuck doing the chores that is supposed to be a women thing while you are outside living the party and sex life

lol where do you get this
We are a typical American family, both work for our money

[Kess]

Hazaras are Turco Mongols, uzbeks are Turkics, turkmens are Turkics, aimaqs are perso - Mongols , but at the end of day no ine cares right? Why don't you try and stay consistent with your principles then maybe just maybe you won't get labeled as a hypocrite.

Cool I don't claim that Turkmens are not Turkic, etc.

You are just coping hard. The Kurd-Turk difference is well established around the world. Heck, even in this forum, you can join a Kurdish permission group, but you can't join a permission group named Pashtun, Tajik, etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJqkFkg6M1w

You can hear them speaking Turkish, but no one calls them Turks because they are Kurdish.

[Laredo]

nah she clearly has mesitzo look to her

I don't sense amerindian vibes 0% she's a white gurl. She's not even Mediterranean Influenced.

[Avicenna]

Lol I don't mind so called Afghan savages, they are not the main problem, londonistan is full of Pakistanis, Somalis, Indians who are even more backwards, I would take Afghans over them any time and frankly a lot of Afghans don't look less European than the Greek and Bulgarians.

Afghans that came in the 90s are well respected families who have now built something for themselves in this country, the only savages are usually these so called young fools who came to Europe since 2015. We don't associate with them as they are bachelors, heck I even doubt Alot of them were even born in Afghanistan rather grew up in refugee camps in Pakistan.

[Nationofsymbol]

lol where do you get this
We are a typical American family, both work for our money

oh great so you have a separate bank account because you are such a individualist who only care about her self in the end and only thinks about her own happiness, a vile human being who only lives for herself and wont make sacrifices for others, typical slav

[Vessna]

thats not racism, just accept what you are, plenty of slavs think they are something beyond what they truly are, a potato head brachy headed mixed ethnic distinct looking person

And who are you? Show your face, let us see your fine euro features. I highly doubt you are Irish.

[kingmob]

And now I am a racist? After calling me Asian, Slavic egg head, Mongoloid etc? Hypocrites



You talk the talk but can't walk the walk.

You talk shit about Meds, prepare to be roasted, again nothing personal.

[Nationofsymbol]

I don't sense amerindian vibes 0% she's a white gurl. She's not even Mediterranean Influenced.

dude she looks like a Columbian egg head, even her body proportion is so brown, this bitch isnt white, stop calling her a white girl lol, that only should be used on a proper attractive looking white hoe

[Vessna]

oh great so you have a separate bank account because you are such a individualist who only care about her self in the end and only thinks about her own happiness, a vile human being who only lives for herself and wont make sacrifices for others, typical slav

Dusty detected lmao
At least I am doing 50/50

[Avicenna]

Cool I don't claim that Turkmens are not Turkic, etc.

You are just coping hard. The Kurd-Turk difference is well established around the world. Heck, even in this forum, you can join a Kurdish permission group, but you can't join a permission group named Pashtun, Tajik, etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJqkFkg6M1w

You can hear them speaking Turkish, but no one calls them Turks because they are Kurdish.

Im against tribal divisions within Afghanistan, don't get it twisted mate, I'm all for a united Afghan country, however I was talking strictly on phenotypes. A uzbek afghan is still my countryman and so is a hazara . I look like a completely different race to them however in turkey, you have Kurds who look no different to you Turks, yet there is so much hostility.

[Grace O'Malley]

you look giga slavvic, typical slav woman with a egg head

Stop insulting Slavic people hiding behind an Irish flag. Slavic women are beautiful and you should use your real nationality if you are going to insult people.

[Nationofsymbol]

Afghans that came in the 90s are well respected families who have now built something for themselves in this country, the only savages are usually these so called young fools who came to Europe since 2015. We don't associate with them as they are bachelors, heck I even doubt Alot of them were even born in Afghanistan rather grew up in refugee camps in Pakistan.

young ethnic migrants deserve deportation, they act like if they own the place here, so bitchy

[Nationofsymbol]

Stop insulting Slavic people hiding behind an Irish flag. Slavic women are beautiful and you should use your real nationality if you are going to insult people.

i admit the women are good looking there, but not her, the men are the real victims of my "attacks" they should know their place

[Nationofsymbol]

Dusty detected lmao
At least I am doing 50/50

tf is a dusty? dont try to justify your hedonistic ideals you vile scum, you would probably eat your own children just for more self pleasure

[Vessna]

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can you remove my picture? I asked you politely not to quote

[Kess]

EEF is still a basically white dna while Russians and Slavs have Mongoloid

ANF+WHG=EEF

[Nationofsymbol]

can you remove my picture? I asked you politely not to quote

who cares about your pictures, dont tell me what to do, ugly women shouldint speak

[Laredo]

dude she looks like a Columbian egg head, even her body proportion is so brown, this bitch isnt white, stop calling her a white girl lol, that only should be used on a proper attractive looking white hoe

She doesn't look Latina (mixed), also Insulting women based of their appearance It's not something a right man would dare to say.

Oh and quoting pictures without their consents it's not right either I reported you.

[Kess]

you have Kurds who look no different to you Turks, yet there is so much hostility.

Not all Turks look like Kurds, or vice versa. Some Turks and Kurds may look alike, but the majority of Turks and Kurds look different from each other.*

[Nationofsymbol]

She doesn't look Latina (mixed), also Insulting women based of their appearance It's not something a right man would dare to say.

Oh and quoting pictures without their consents it's not right either I reported you.

lol i wasnt even aware of the last part, report all you want white knight, she wont lend you any dried pussy for all the defending you are giving her which she doesnt even deserve, dudes like you go wacko for bitches just because they are females, you think these tacts of you defending them will gain you some type of validation or sex from women LOL, get lost white knight

[Vessna]

who cares about your pictures, dont tell me what to do, ugly women shouldint speak

that’s a violation of forum rules

[Nationofsymbol]

that’s a violation of forum rules

i cant even see your photo anymore quit whining

[Kess]

Dolichocephalic C.I. is a Med trait.

I am brachy, but I still have pontid features.

[Laredo]

lol i wasnt even aware of the last part, report all you want white knight, she wont lend you any dried pussy for all the defending you are giving her which she doesnt even deserve, dudes like you go wacko for bitches just because they are females, you think these tacts of you defending them will gain you some type of validation or sex from women LOL, get lost white knight

I'm gay bruh a manly one though. And you are a definitely a troll.

I think you are a Latino troll member that I'm familiar with.

[Loki]

who cares about your pictures, dont tell me what to do, ugly women shouldint speak

You don't seem to care about forum rules then. I edited your post therefore.

You're an uncouth and rude person, who shouldn't be on this forum.

[kingmob]

I am brachy, but I still have pontid features.


You are probably just high meso, if you look pontic-med (pontid). Pontid is just a robust East Med type, nothing more about it.

Without a caliper you can't know for sure.

This is my caliper, btw:

https://i.ibb.co/Sm0FD7F/1699206835307.jpg

[thisismyaccount]

Avicenna, just stop posting these threads. They attract the right people to turn them into 20+ pages long

[Avicenna]

Avicenna, just stop posting these threads. They attract the right people to turn them into 20+ pages long

All I asked for was a classification of the poor fruit seller lol

[Avicenna]

young ethnic migrants deserve deportation, they act like if they own the place here, so bitchy

Agreed

[Immanenz]

Avicenna, just stop posting these threads. They attract the right people to turn them into 20+ pages long

who cares, its entertaining as hell.

[Avicenna]

who cares, its entertaining as hell.

I'm still astonished how much traction just the term Afghan brings, 20+ plus pages, OWD term thrown around, banned members, arguments, trolls and a audience of 12 members and 32 guests viewing as of now. Life is good.

[Vessna]

I'm still astonished how much traction just the term Afghan brings, 20+ plus pages, OWD term thrown around, banned members, arguments, trolls and a audience of 12 members and 32 guests viewing as of now. Life is good.

You’re welcome [emoji6]

[drb234]

I am hyperdolicho.

I am pretty sure there is an Atlanto-Med plate with a C.I of 72. Maybe that is considered hyperdolichocephalic, idk the threshold.

[masoebu]

It's 2024 and people still deny passing, which isn't as difficult as it seems IMO with the right clothing and mannerisms.

There are a lot of "ugly" atypical people who are accepted as native countrymen all the time without question. And obviously you share genetics otherwise you would not look similar in the first place. It's biology.

[Nurzat]

lol no, he can only pass as someone from Caucasus like Chechen. I’d never think he’s Russian or Ukrainian, he looks so foreign.

only his clothes look foreign. he's in the Oleg Protasov looks range - Dikoe Pole stronk

[Vessna]

only his clothes look foreign. he's in the Oleg Protasov looks range - Dikoe Pole stronk

Nah look at his other pics posted here

[Mopi Licinius Crassus]

all kicked off on this thread I see :eek:

[Avicenna]

Nah look at his other pics posted here

There's only one picture posted of him?

[turbosat]

Lol I don't mind so called Afghan savages, they are not the main problem, londonistan is full of Pakistanis, Somalis, Indians who are even more backwards, I would take Afghans over them any time and frankly a lot of Afghans don't look less European than the Greek and Bulgarians.

Very stupid thing to say Indians or even Pakistanis are more "backwards" than Afghans in UK.
Indians overall are well liked by British people and working in all professions in high positions, running businesses, working as journalists etc.

[Radimir]

Very stupid thing to say Indians or even Pakistanis are more "backwards" than Afghans in UK.
Indians overall are well liked by British people and working in all professions in high positions, running businesses, working as journalists etc.

Yeah. His statement is quite odd.

[Avicenna]

Very stupid thing to say Indians or even Pakistanis are more "backwards" than Afghans in UK.
Indians overall are well liked by British people and working in all professions in high positions, running businesses, working as journalists etc.

No this is true, Indians especially British Indians are well off in society and are extremely successful . Same can be said about British Pakistanis. The only thing is that Pakistanis make up the majority of the Muslims especially in the urban areas, so it seems they are everywhere. Afghans make a much smaller population and go unnoticed generally speaking .

[Scarface F]

Lol I don't mind so called Afghan savages, they are not the main problem, londonistan is full of Pakistanis, Somalis, Indians who are even more backwards, I would take Afghans over them any time and frankly a lot of Afghans don't look less European than the Greek and Bulgarians.

You are a fool. Afghans are one of most violent and criminal migrants in Europe. Last week one raped and killed a little girl in Vienna. Murders and rapes they commited are countless.

[Oliver109]

Very stupid thing to say Indians or even Pakistanis are more "backwards" than Afghans in UK.
Indians overall are well liked by British people and working in all professions in high positions, running businesses, working as journalists etc.

Indian areas are dumps, the people have the same middle eastern mindset as people in Iran or Syria just without the burkas(though Bangladeshi women actually wear them more than Arabs here) if Indians left they wouldn't be missed. If you ever visit an Indian area there is a feeling of scruffiness, untidyness, Afghans don't have a large community yet in London but I doubt a large Afghan community would be anywhere near as scruffy and unkempt as the Indian areas and with better restaurants too.

[Ketchup]

I said he won’t pass as a Russian or Ukrainian/NE euro.
It’s not a hard science but rather my personal opinion.
I meet a lot of people from around the world every day. I’ve never mistaken a non-euro person for euro person irl. But you keep fooling yourself ;)

I don't know what it is about these online anthro forums but it's filled with non-whites who want to be White/European so badly lmao. It's so funny, really amusing stuff. I agree with you btw. I've seen like god knows how many Afghans, they just end up looking either south Asian or like Arabic/Iranian in real life

[slaog]

i cant even see your photo anymore quit whining

Good to see this clown banned.

[turbosat]

Indian areas are dumps, the people have the same middle eastern mindset as people in Iran or Syria just without the burkas(though Bangladeshi women actually wear them more than Arabs here) if Indians left they wouldn't be missed. If you ever visit an Indian area there is a feeling of scruffiness, untidyness, Afghans don't have a large community yet in London but I doubt a large Afghan community would be anywhere near as scruffy and unkempt as the Indian areas and with better restaurants too.

Why would Indians leave though? Many have been here since 1950s and early 1960s, some even before 1950s. British are not going to ask Indians to leave because like I said Indians and native British people overall get along very well in UK.

Which Indian areas are scruffy? Maybe I will visit one of those places when I have time.
There might be some places like that, but the cleaning is done by the council, not by Indians. The only unkempt place I have ever seen in an area with a lot of Indians was one car park in Southall, West London.

Indians are spread out quite a lot as well, more than I think you are aware, not just living in "Indian areas" but also living in places where non-Indians live in the same streets.

Lol most Indians in UK are not running restaurants. The "Indian restaurants" are run mostly by Bangladeshis, but even then most are not scruffy. The CEO of the district council where I live is a Punjabi. It is also one of the more expensive areas in the South East.

Anyway not to worry.

[Oliver109]

Why would Indians leave though? Many have been here since 1950s and early 1960s, some even before 1950s. British are not going to ask Indians to leave because like I said Indians and native British people overall get along very well in UK.

Which Indian areas are scruffy? Maybe I will visit one of those places when I have time.
There might be some places like that, but the cleaning is done by the council, not by Indians. The only unkempt place I have ever seen in an area with a lot of Indians was one car park in Southall, West London.

Indians are spread out quite a lot as well, more than I think you are aware, not just living in "Indian areas" but also living in places where non-Indians live in the same streets.

Lol most Indians in UK are not running restaurants. The "Indian restaurants" are run mostly by Bangladeshis, but even then most are not scruffy. The CEO of the district council where I live is a Punjabi. It is also one of the more expensive areas in the South East.

Anyway not to worry.

Southall, a total dump, Harrow, at least in most of the borough it is a total dump though the hill where the posh white boys go to school is nice and picturesque, East Ham, Upton park again a total dump. It is upto Indians to leave but they seem to be better off here and sending money back to relatives in India so i can see them staying, unfortunately the government is addicted to importing Indian labour whether through the EU or now after Brexit with student visa schemes and skilled worker visas. There are a lot of restaurants in Indian areas of London, i haven't a clue if they are run by Bangladeshis or not but a lot of their clientale are actually Indian so i imagine they are run by actual Indians. The best Indian restaurants are found in more affluent white areas and are probably Bengali run, i have walked past restaurants in Hounslow, Harrow etc and the food doesn't look that appealing.

[turbosat]

Southall, a total dump, Harrow, at least in most of the borough it is a total dump though the hill where the posh white boys go to school is nice and picturesque, East Ham, Upton park again a total dump. It is upto Indians to leave but they seem to be better off here and sending money back to relatives in India so i can see them staying, unfortunately the government is addicted to importing Indian labour whether through the EU or now after Brexit with student visa schemes and skilled worker visas. There are a lot of restaurants in Indian areas of London, i haven't a clue if they are run by Bangladeshis or not but a lot of their clientale are actually Indian so i imagine they are run by actual Indians. The best Indian restaurants are found in more affluent white areas and are probably Bengali run, i have walked past restaurants in Hounslow, Harrow etc and the food doesn't look that appealing.

I can tell you are making up nonsense now. Bengalis are now running cleaner restaurants than Indians lol.

Southall has always been as it is. Its not a dump at all. The houses are older, but most of them are good inside. Did Indians build Southall?
Places like East Ham, Upton Park, Ilford etc have always been like that. Its not the Indians who built those places. Again most of these places are not dumps. I go to Ilford regularly.
Indians are not living in scruffy, dump areas in Slough, Hayes, Ealing, Wraysbury, Reading etc.

If the food doesn't look appealing to you, nobody is forcing you to eat it. Eat some other food.
Indians are not going to leave. Most of the Indians I know are very close to their British friends and neighbours. You don't seem to know this at all.

Will you leave UK and go to Spain if some Indians say Spaniards should not live in UK?
Spanish guy like you should not be moaning about Indians in UK. It is between Indians and British people to decide. :)

[Oliver109]

I can tell you are making up nonsense now. Bengalis are now running cleaner restaurants than Indians lol.

Southall has always been as it is. Its not a dump at all. The houses are older, but most of them are good inside. Did Indians build Southall?
Places like East Ham, Upton Park, Ilford etc have always been like that. Its not the Indians who built those places. Again most of these places are not dumps. I go to Ilford regularly.
Indians are not living in scruffy, dump areas in Slough, Hayes, Ealing, Wraysbury, Reading etc.

If the food doesn't look appealing to you, nobody is forcing you to eat it. Eat some other food.
Indians are not going to leave. Most of the Indians I know are very close to their British friends and neighbours. You don't seem to know this at all.

Will you leave UK and go to Spain if some Indians say Spaniards should not live in UK?
Spanish guy like you should not be moaning about Indians in UK. It is between Indians and British people. :)

I like many Indians but like i said they might be happier in their home country, Spain isn't my home country, it isn't somewhere i have family left now as our family there was never a big or close family so i would have zero incentive to go to Spain and would struggle to integrate into a country that i haven't even been back to for 4 years.

[turbosat]

I like many Indians but like i said they might be happier in their home country, Spain isn't my home country, it isn't somewhere i have family left now as our family there was never a big or close family so i would have zero incentive to go to Spain and would struggle to integrate into a country that i haven't even been back to for 4 years.

Indians can decide where they are happier. They don't need a Spaniard to tell them.

If Spain is not your home country, then India is also not the home country of those Indians whose ancestors came to UK since 1950s/1960s. Indians cannot even have dual nationality. If they obtain British citizenship, they have to give up Indian citizenship.

I have a South Indian friend. He returned to S India to live there for 9 years with his family, but they returned recently. They originally first only came to UK around 2002. Their children's English school friends were always asking about them in UK while they were away.

One of our relatives went back to visit Punjab recently for 4 weeks after 23 years. He originally came to UK as a child in 1960s. He does not even have Indian citizenship. He has only visited Punjab about 4 times since coming to UK. All his relatives and family live in other countries. Why would he now move back to Punjab after being settled in UK for 60 years?

I had a Spanish friend at school named Vicente. He went back to Valencia because he could not get residence. He never came back. I wrote to him once, but he never replied. He used to live here with his Spanish auntie married to an English man.

[Melkiirs]

I like many Indians but like i said they might be happier in their home country, Spain isn't my home country, it isn't somewhere i have family left now as our family there was never a big or close family so i would have zero incentive to go to Spain and would struggle to integrate into a country that i haven't even been back to for 4 years.

When did your Spanish side settle in the UK? After WWII or earlier?

[Oliver109]

Indians can decide where they are happier. They don't need a Spaniard to tell them.

If Spain is not your home country, then India is also not the home country of those Indians whose ancestors came to UK since 1950s/1960s. Indians cannot even have dual nationality. If they obtain British citizenship, they have to give up Indian citizenship.

I have a South Indian friend. He returned to S India to live there for 9 years with his family, but they returned recently. They originally first only came to UK around 2002. Their children's English school friends were always asking about them in UK while they were away.

One of our relatives went back to visit Punjab recently for 4 weeks after 23 years. He originally came to UK as a child in 1960s. He does not even have Indian citizenship. He has only visited Punjab about 4 times since coming to UK. All his relatives and family live in other countries. Why would he now move back to Punjab after being settled in UK for 60 years?

I had a Spanish friend at school named Vicente. He went back to Valencia because he could not get residence. He never came back. I wrote to him once, but he never replied. He used to live here with his Spanish auntie married to an English man.

I imagine there are a lot of Indians who don't have family "back home" but the majority do have a lot i would guess, you only have to go to the airport and see all the people waiting for the Indian flights or go to a high street in Ilford etc and see all the money transfer shops or adverts about money transfer to India on the tube to see that many Indians are basically thinking of India. Indians have big family networks compared to western Europeans so they have more relatives scattered around.

[Oliver109]

When did your Spanish side settle in the UK? After WWII or earlier?

Well after in the mid 80s but it was only my mother, her sisters ended up living in Germany her parents didn't have much of a bond with most of their siblings or general family as far as i know, they were lovely people but private, my mum was only close to her aunt who was the only other relative who would visit us in Spain.

[Melkiirs]

Well after in the mid 80s but it was only my mother, her sisters ended up living in Germany her parents didn't have much of a bond with most of their siblings or general family as far as i know, they were lovely people but private, my mum was only close to her aunt who was the only other relative who would visit us in Spain.

If it is not too personal what motivated Spaniards to settle abroad around that time? I thought the Spanish economy experienced rapid growth in the 1980s.

[Oliver109]

If it is not too personal what motivated Spaniards to settle abroad around that time? I thought the Spanish economy experienced rapid growth in the 1980s.

My mum was from Alicante which was still pretty backwards then with very little tourism, she came to London to work here and found a stable job as a nanny in west London. I don't think it was poverty that made her want to move but rather the search for independence, i doubt she would have stayed in London had she not married here.

[Avicenna]

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