Textbook Female Example of Atlanto-Med

[thomasB]

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Almost uncanny likeness to the composite.

[thewildsouth]

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Another textbook example in my opinion. Spanish journalist Mónica Carrillo.

[Immanenz]

damn you guys suck at this.


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Another textbook example in my opinion. Spanish journalist Mónica Carrillo.


well, in a country full of horse faces, nope- she looks more like a French Alpine.

[thomasB]

damn you guys suck at this.

What fits her better than Atl-Med? Atlantid?

And cmon, you can't deny she looks extremely similar to that composite

[drb234]

What fits her better than Atl-Med? Atlantid?

And cmon, you can't deny she looks extremely similar to that composite

She doesnt even have a long face bro.. definitely has strong alpine influence

[drb234]

https://static.vecteezy.com/system/resources/previews/025/863/477/large_2x/portrait-of-mature-spanish-woman-with-long-black-hair-on-copy-space-gorgeous-age-model-photo.JPG

This Spaniard

[thomasB]

She doesnt even have a long face bro.. definitely has strong alpine influence

True

I'm very new to classifying, but I've seen some people here posting examples of supposedly 'pure' Atlanto-Meds who had pretty wide faces, so I figured it wasn't a 'requirement' to have a longer face shape.

[Kess]

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This Spaniard

More like Trans-med.

[drb234]

More like Trans-med.

"Trans-Med" is apparently an 'intermediate between Eurafricanid and Gracile Mediterranid'. I dont see any distinctly Gracile-Med features on that woman..

[Immanenz]

What fits her better than Atl-Med? Atlantid?

And cmon, you can't deny she looks extremely similar to that composite

I d rather go with the physical attributes described, but true Atlanto Med women would be more masculine/rough in features compared to normal Meds, and yes your gurl looks also Alpine influenced.

[Kess]

"Trans-Med" is apparently an 'intermediate between Eurafricanid and Gracile Mediterranid'. I dont see any distinctly Gracile-Med features on that woman..

Her face is a bit oval, narrow, and refined with gracile features.

I'd classify her as Trans-med.

[thomasB]

I d rather go with the physical attributes described, but true Atlanto Med women would be more masculine/rough in features compared to normal Meds, and yes your gurl looks also Alpine influenced.

Thanks for the explanation. Tbh, when I look at other pictures of her, the resemblance is not as striking. Maybe it was happenstance. But let me pick your brain just a little more:

Does her alpine component come mostly (or entirely, even) from the wideness of her jaw and cheekbones? If so, how to distinguish that from CM admix in classification?

For example, in this thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?21246-Cindy-Crawford some people were saying Atlantid/Atlanto-Med + CM, while others were leaning towards Atlantid + Alpine.

[drb234]

Her face is a bit oval, narrow, and refined with gracile features.

I'd classify her as Trans-med.

Atlanto-Meds have both narrow and oval-ish skulls, her face looks more rectangular anyway tbh.


The Long Barrow skulls are large for a Mediterranean sub-race, but not as large as those of the Upper Palaeolithic peoples. They are particularly long, moderately narrow, and of medium height. Unlike that of the Corded skulls, the height is less than the breadth. In most instances, the occiput projects far to the rear; the parietals are parallel; the forehead is moderately sloping, and, in contrast to the restricted skull width, very straight and broad.

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troeplate24.htm

[TrevorXdX]

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Almost uncanny likeness to the composite.

They don't look so similar in my opinion, these other women who I posted in the Atlanto-Mediterranid examples thread look more like the woman in the morph:

https://rasovetypy.files.wordpress.com/2023/04/2-atlanto-meditteranid-race.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBUESTBpnDeXqbuRefQNMuGE1FJ2b2x KYdZQ&usqp=CAU
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Odette_Annable_%282017%29.jpg

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Anyway, I prefer not use these morphs as a reference to classify phenotypes, I prefer use metrics that are more precise, because many of these morphs don't look like the anthropological plates, compare the Atlanto-Med morph guy ^ with these Atlanto-Med plates:

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe241.jpg
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe242.jpg
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe243.jpg
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe244.jpg

[TrevorXdX]

damn you guys suck at this.




well, in a country full of horse faces, nope- she looks more like a French Alpine.

I would say Alpine-Med + CM because of the wide jaw:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Monica_Carrillo_%28cropped%29.png
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[TrevorXdX]

Thanks for the explanation. Tbh, when I look at other pictures of her, the resemblance is not as striking. Maybe it was happenstance. But let me pick your brain just a little more:

Does her alpine component come mostly (or entirely, even) from the wideness of her jaw and cheekbones? If so, how to distinguish that from CM admix in classification?

For example, in this thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?21246-Cindy-Crawford some people were saying Atlantid/Atlanto-Med + CM, while others were leaning towards Atlantid + Alpine.

Alpinids doesn't have a wide jaw and strong cheekbones, these traits are CM.

Cindy Crawford looks more Atlanto-Med + CM, long face, strong checks, wider jaw and forehead narrower than Alpinid:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTS7b4yzGU5MUkKP-YXHtiRaCK7tmUmi9NV4tSZOJTLH-_YsFV5M0Pkl_w&s=10
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Cindy_Crawford_in_London.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR8PdzH6womh6dwQMz-J9SYqFx6iDjgaY0emimWOZud6ma2e5tStVmqc68&s=10

In my opinion, an Atlanto-Med + Alpinid woman is actress Malu Galli:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/26_Pr%C3%AAmio_da_M%C3%BAsica_Brasileira_%28185256 75200%29_%28cropped%29.jpg
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[thomasB]

Alpinids doesn't have a wide jaw and strong cheekbones, these traits are CM.

Cindy Crawford looks more Atlanto-Med + CM, long face, strong checks, wider jaw and forehead narrower than Alpinid:

In my opinion, an Atlanto-Med + Alpinid woman is actress Malu Galli:



Interesting, I see your point. Galli's mandible is definitely more angular than the avg alpine, tho. Maybe she has a bit of CM as well.

What would you say the girl in OP is?

[ImpishTears]

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Almost uncanny likeness to the composite.

IF (And i do mean IF) she has no Alpine influence, she's a Gracile Med then. She doesnt looks Atlanto-Med in any way, shape, or form.

[ImpishTears]

https://static.vecteezy.com/system/resources/previews/025/863/477/large_2x/portrait-of-mature-spanish-woman-with-long-black-hair-on-copy-space-gorgeous-age-model-photo.JPG

This Spaniard

Now that one does look fully Atlanto-Med.

[thomasB]

IF (And i do mean IF) she has no Alpine influence, she's a Gracile Med then. She doesnt looks Atlanto-Med in any way, shape, or form.

Okay, you guys convinced me. But to say she doesn't resemble that picture in any way is insane. Very similar midface structure, eye shape, nose, lips, chin.

[Hektor12]

Paz Vega is prominent example.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/D4RF9G/spanish-actress-paz-vega-arrives-for-the-premiere-of-triage-at-the-D4RF9G.jpg

[andrzej]

damn you guys suck at this.




well, in a country full of horse faces, nope- she looks more like a French Alpine.

All you westerners are horse face though..

[TrevorXdX]

Paz Vega is prominent example.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/D4RF9G/spanish-actress-paz-vega-arrives-for-the-premiere-of-triage-at-the-D4RF9G.jpg

I think she is mostly Atlanto-Med, but maybe with a smaller Gracile-Med mix.

[TrevorXdX]

Interesting, I see your point. Galli's mandible is definitely more angular than the avg alpine, tho. Maybe she has a bit of CM as well.

What would you say the girl in OP is?

Her jaw doesn't look so wide to me, Atlanto-Med women can have a wide jaw (not so wide like CM women).

The OP girl must have some other mixture besides Atlanto-Med, the eyebrows don't seem as prominent, and the jaw seems a little narrow..

[thomasB]

Her jaw doesn't look so wide to me, Atlanto-Med women can have a wide jaw (not so wide like CM women).

The OP girl must have some other mixture besides Atlanto-Med, the eyebrows don't seem as prominent, and the jaw seems a little narrow..

When I said angular I was refering to the definition and sharpness of the mandible, not necessarily the wideness. I believe alpines tend to have a rounder jaw and zygos, no?

I do agree on your classification of Galli tho, her eyes and other features look alpine-like to me. But the mandible itself and especially the cheek angularity is definitely CM-like and uncommon, imo. Another woman that has that is Blanca Soler. Alpine-Med, but very wide and sharp jawline.

[Nurzat]

damn you guys suck at this.

well, in a country full of horse faces, nope- she looks more like a French Alpine.

she looks very Lebanese if you look at Lebanese blue-eyed singers, exact same face - this is also common in Romania, a sort of blue-eyed East Med with additional Alpinization.

while the brown-eyed girl in the OP looks French and British imo, but anyway very Atlantic facade, I think Atlantid is dominant, look at the small eyes, eyebrow shape, bony facial structure (though in a feminine and attractive way)

[thewildsouth]

she looks very Lebanese if you look at Lebanese blue-eyed singers, exact same face - this is also common in Romania, a sort of blue-eyed East Med with additional Alpinization.

while the brown-eyed girl in the OP looks French and British imo, but anyway very Atlantic facade, I think Atlantid is dominant, look at the small eyes, eyebrow shape, bony facial structure (though in a feminine and attractive way)

I have to admit that I didn't expect him to say that Mónica Carrillo is a French-style West Alpinid, but reading his other comments it seems evident that he sees Alpinids everywhere. Mónica Carrillo in my opinion is Eurafricanid + CM. The CM component seems very plausible, but West Alpinid... but it's the rest of us who don't have a clue, apparently. The arrogance of some people...

[TrevorXdX]

When I said angular I was refering to the definition and sharpness of the mandible, not necessarily the wideness. I believe alpines tend to have a rounder jaw and zygos, no?


I do agree on your classification of Galli tho, her eyes and other features look alpine-like to me. But the mandible itself and especially the cheek angularity is definitely CM-like and uncommon, imo. Another woman that has that is Blanca Soler. Alpine-Med, but very wide and sharp jawline.

Yes.


I do agree on your classification of Galli tho, her eyes and other features look alpine-like to me. But the mandible itself and especially the cheek angularity is definitely CM-like and uncommon, imo. Another woman that has that is Blanca Soler. Alpine-Med, but very wide and sharp jawline.

I don't think so, her jaw looks pretty regular for an Atlanto-Med woman:

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