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Kacca
12-16-2011, 07:42 PM
amerindians from Guyana

http://www.ibike.org/ibike/guyana/girl3.jpg

http://www.handsofhopeguyana.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Amerindian1327.jpg


Asians from Philippines

http://loveme.com/tour/photos/Philippine-Women_Cebu-July2008/images/Philippine-Women-9248.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CDh7fvD_eT0/TeegU1_dZrI/AAAAAAAAAxg/HVN9fGMwapg/s400/Most+beautiful+Philippine+Women+in+manila.jpg

Der Steinadler
12-16-2011, 07:55 PM
thats probably some liberal's wife.

Kacca
12-16-2011, 08:37 PM
don't understand

Pallantides
12-16-2011, 08:46 PM
North American types like the Silvids don't really look simillar to East Asians.




I think the most simillar non Amerindian population to Amerindians are Siberian peoples like the Ket
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Ket_older_woman_1914.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Ket_shaman_1914.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Eniseitsy.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Ket_man_1914.jpg

GeistFaust
12-16-2011, 08:46 PM
There is always a saying that North American Indians looks akin to more Northeastern Asian people or the peoples of the Altaic region. There is a wide gap between them though genetically speaking but the isolation of some of these people like Inuits and other North American Native Americans as well as Tungus peoples and other Altaic peoples could make them look similar.


There is a wide diversity among Native Americans within North America and South America in terms of the anthropological conditioning. I think this is the same with South America since most Native Americans tended to live in a tribal conglammeration. This means during their evolution anthropologically there are probably more specialized types to be found among them as they adapted to their environment.

They do say Central and especially South Americans originally came from the Polynesian area and parts of Southeastern Asia. I don't know if this is necessarily true but there does seem to be some similarities suggesting such a possibility. I think genetically they might have proven a link to some extent or another, but I am not that keen on matters of genetics as it applies to race. A lot of the Polynesian people were rather good sailors though and they knew how and where to find land by observing the arrangement of cloud formations.

GeistFaust
12-16-2011, 08:52 PM
Pallantides:
Not at all and there is not really an anthropological similarity that is shared between South American Native Americans and Polynesian and Southeastern Asian peoples. A lot of Native Americans have been here since before the Upper Paleolithic periods. They slowly branched out and as I said there is even a wide diversity from one tribe to the next even within a relative close proximity of each other.


The mixing between certain types was probably marginal and its why there are so many specific and specialized anthropological types among Native Americans. As you can see those people above mirror a more robust Mongoloid pedigree which is not as elongated and hooked as Sylvids which have a Dinaro-Form appearance. I think a lot of the Sylvids adapted into an anthropological framework that was more Dinaro-Form on the Central Plains especially because of the interaction with mountainous terrain.


The thing is the nature of the environment and landscape around you can cause a slow and gradual change in your anthropological features. These Mongoloids which you posted above are more similar to the North American Inuits then anything else. There robust and Cro-Magnon form morphology can be attested to the fact they had to adapt to cold and a harsh climate where it was important to have a stockier pyknomorphic body to adapt to the colder conditions.

Pallantides
12-16-2011, 09:00 PM
Scholars and linguists have proposed that there are strong lingustic ties between the Yeniseian languages(wich the Ket language is a part of) and the Na-Dene languages of North America.

Dené-Yeniseian
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/Den%C3%A9-Yeniseian.svg/800px-Den%C3%A9-Yeniseian.svg.png

http://sdld.narod.ru/img/gallery/Picture22.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Ket_men_and_children_1914.jpg

Kacca
12-17-2011, 12:42 PM
Why if the reason is migration, northern american amerindians don't look like south east asian though migrants from Asia to South America have gone throughout strait of bering and north America?

Incal
12-17-2011, 03:00 PM
We look alike because we are cousins.

Comte Arnau
12-17-2011, 03:03 PM
I don't think they look alike.

I only see similarity between Aleuto-Eskimos and NE Siberians.

The Journeyman
12-17-2011, 03:04 PM
Both are pyknOmorphic mongoloid types. At least the tropical jungle dwellers (patagOnians and north American natives tend to be physically larger). Similarly sized people can be found in tropical forests of Africa.

Sikeliot
12-17-2011, 06:21 PM
This is a very interesting question.. I personally think that South American natives sometimes resemble Filipinos, Indonesians, and Malaysians.

Brazilian natives

http://www.hart-brasilientexte.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/hakani2.jpghttp://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/353811723_6404e836d7.jpghttp://pt.globalvoicesonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/4503050727_a52ab8c4f5_z.jpghttp://www.bluecorncomics.com/pics/endspr2.jpghttp://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium/little-indians-amazon-blima-efraim.jpg


Filipinos

http://gulfnews.com/polopoly_fs/thousands-of-filipinos-troop-to-a-public-cemetery-1.704959!image/787932423.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_475/787932423.jpghttp://www.somosprimos.com/sp2007/spmar07/filipinos.jpghttp://western-asian.com/images2/marriedtofilipinos1.jpghttp://i.current.com/images/asset/890/182/71/rzso9K.jpg

Der Steinadler
12-18-2011, 01:45 PM
This is a very interesting question.. I personally think that South American natives sometimes resemble Filipinos, Indonesians, and Malaysians.



that's because......(i know the reason why but haven't published it)

:D

SticktoYourOwn
12-19-2011, 11:57 AM
This is a very interesting question.. I personally think that South American natives sometimes resemble Filipinos, Indonesians, and Malaysians.

Brazilian natives

http://www.hart-brasilientexte.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/hakani2.jpghttp://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/353811723_6404e836d7.jpghttp://pt.globalvoicesonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/4503050727_a52ab8c4f5_z.jpghttp://www.bluecorncomics.com/pics/endspr2.jpghttp://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium/little-indians-amazon-blima-efraim.jpg


Filipinos

http://gulfnews.com/polopoly_fs/thousands-of-filipinos-troop-to-a-public-cemetery-1.704959!image/787932423.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_475/787932423.jpghttp://www.somosprimos.com/sp2007/spmar07/filipinos.jpghttp://western-asian.com/images2/marriedtofilipinos1.jpghttp://i.current.com/images/asset/890/182/71/rzso9K.jpg

2nd pic is mexicans with filipino ancestry...so they are mostly mexican(amerindian,negroid,causcoid) with a filipino (southern mongoloid) addition as well

and its useless to say group a and group b look the same...because South East Asia is pretty damn diverse itself...

you might as well say north africans, middle easterners and southern europeans look the same because their all in the same region

Lurker
12-19-2011, 01:26 PM
you might as well say north africans, middle easterners and southern europeans look the same because their all in the same region

I think she has implied those things a lot in her posting history.

Svartálfar
12-28-2011, 06:49 PM
They are both hot adapted mongoloids. :thumb001:

Sagitta Hungarica
12-28-2011, 07:32 PM
I was always fascinated about the incredible diversity, mostly linguistic among Native Americans and Amerindians. Just as another user suggested, it is very peculiar how tribes living in the vicinity of each other have totally different language and even racial characteristics. Probably such questions will forever remain mysteries of history.

Agrippa
12-28-2011, 07:58 PM
In South East Asia you have Palaemongolids, which are often not as highly specialised as Neomongolids (Tungid, Sinid primarily) and more adapted to a tropical climate, as well as mixed with non-, or Proto-Mongoloid elements.

Essentially, the same is true for many Indianids, which are however more different and are closer related to Siberian archaic Mongoloids, than the tropical ones, yes went through similar developmental stages regionally/typologically.