Classify somewhat Irish looking Israeli ambassador to Ireland

[Oliver109]

Of Argentinian Jewish origin
https://focus.independent.ie/thumbor/MvieQ4j_HoEIvrtMP2Aq5EYIDZo=/0x0:3238x2159/fit-in/1280x853/prod-mh-ireland/1bf50c46-8266-4cbc-a753-32730bcac9c5/0ad2e19c-9df2-41cb-887b-d7f2e19a9664/1bf50c46-8266-4cbc-a753-32730bcac9c5.jpg

[ecptr]

Looks Belgian or Dutch to me.

[Oliver109]

Looks Belgian or Dutch to me

Actually yes i would say more so but i am not overly familiar with Belgian or Dutch phenotypes so i wouldn't think of that straight away.

[Xacal]

Subnordid

[Kess]

Subnordid

Agree.

[Melkiirs]

Actually yes i would say more so but i am not overly familiar with Belgian or Dutch phenotypes so i wouldn't think of that straight away.

Why do you suggest Irish? Do you think she looks Brünn or Kelto-Nordid?

[Kess]

Why do you suggest Irish? Do you think she looks Brünn or Kelto-Nordid?

Probably just because she is red head.

[Oliver109]

Why do you suggest Irish? Do you think she looks Brünn or Kelto-Nordid?

Looks sort of kelto-CM

[Melkiirs]

Looks sort of kelto-CM

I don’t think she looks particularly British Isles but rather West-Central Euro. Subnordid is more realistic. Do you have an ethnic British Isles lookalike in mind?

This Israeli teacher you described as very British Isles looking IMO is less North Euro than OP with an East Med shift such as in eye region. I don’t think either are particularly typical British Isles in phenotype:

Very British isles looking especially the teeth, would you say that she is probably of French or German mixture?

[Immanenz]

Why do you suggest Irish? Do you think she looks Brünn or Kelto-Nordid?

She is robuster than the usual Subnordid. I dont think Oli is that off, Saoirse Ronan looks Irish as well. Not all Irish women look like Brenda Fricker or Fiona Shaw lmao

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes she could easily pass as Irish.

[Melkiirs]

She is robuster than the usual Subnordid. I dont think Oli is that off, Saoirse Ronan looks Irish as well. Not all Irish women look like Brenda Fricker or Fiona Shaw lmao

Saoirse Ronan is Kelto-Nordid with some Brünn influence, though. The OP indivudal has a flatter face with less prominent cheekbones. That makes her fit better in the continent than as a Brünn-influnced Irish. Maybe she has some CM influence but that does not mean particularly of the variety common in Irish.

[Immanenz]

Saoirse Ronan is Kelto-Nordid with some Brünn influence, though. The OP indivudal has a flatter face with less prominent cheekbones. That makes her fit better in the continent than as a Brünn-influnced Irish. Maybe she has some CM influence but that does not mean particularly of the variety common in Irish.

No, sorry you are just making bias wishful thinking classifications, phantasyzing about a specific Brunn race which is only common Ireland (which is not the same as having a common look), Saoirse Ronan is more Alpine than Brunn influenced

[Oliver109]

No, sorry you are just making bias wishful thinking classifications, phantasyzing about a specific Brunn race which is only common Ireland (which is not the same as having a common look), Saoirse Ronan is more Alpine than Brunn influenced

Isn't alpinid and brunn basically the same thing? Many Irish I have posted I have said look alpinid.

[Kess]

Isn't alpinid and brunn basically the same thing?

Loliver question.

[Melkiirs]

No, sorry you are just making bias wishful thinking classifications, phantasyzing about a specific Brunn race which is only common Ireland (which is not the same as having a common look), Saoirse Ronan is more Alpine than Brunn influenced

Is West Alpinid even a significant element in the Irish population? Irish have more robust malars with greater bizygomatic width (141mm) than Massif Central where West Alpinid is most concentrated. I thought the very high bizygomatic width in the Irish is due to the CM Brünn influence rather than Alpinid.

Here is an Irish female which I (correctly or otherwise) would classify as Brünn rather than Alpine compared to humanphenotypes.net West Alpinid facial morph:
https://i.ibb.co/KxdwxHx/13-DD7-FEE-1-F64-42-A0-9616-9-F3-DFDD64-F42.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/fDkqpzV/2-EA35531-8-ED3-4-EB5-A156-BFA2-D6745-D52.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Oliver109]

Is West Alpinid even a significant element in the Irish population? Irish have more robust malars with greater bizygomatic width (141mm) than Massif Central where West Alpinid is most concentrated. I thought the very high bizygomatic width in the Irish is due to the CM Brünn influence rather than Alpinid.

Here is an Irish female which I (correctly or otherwise) would classify as Brünn rather than Alpine compared to humanphenotypes.net West Alpinid facial morph:
https://i.ibb.co/KxdwxHx/13-DD7-FEE-1-F64-42-A0-9616-9-F3-DFDD64-F42.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/fDkqpzV/2-EA35531-8-ED3-4-EB5-A156-BFA2-D6745-D52.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

i would say many Irish alpines seem to resemble more east alpinids , not as brachy as the French and larger eyes and taller.

[SocietyIslands]

Is West Alpinid even a significant element in the Irish population? Irish have more robust malars with greater bizygomatic width (141mm) than Massif Central where West Alpinid is most concentrated. I thought the very high bizygomatic width in the Irish is due to the CM Brünn influence rather than Alpinid.

Here is an Irish female which I (correctly or otherwise) would classify as Brünn rather than Alpine compared to humanphenotypes.net West Alpinid facial morph:
https://i.ibb.co/KxdwxHx/13-DD7-FEE-1-F64-42-A0-9616-9-F3-DFDD64-F42.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/fDkqpzV/2-EA35531-8-ED3-4-EB5-A156-BFA2-D6745-D52.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

You are going by a ridiculed site that cites 100 year old anthropometrical studies on formerly homogenous nations though and attributing to a random Hollywood actor, probably Jewish, frankly she's not robust enough to be a "Brünn", it's an exclusive large-headed heavily robust phenotype that is probably even rarer today than 100 years ago due to selection, nutrition etc.

[Immanenz]

Is West Alpinid even a significant element in the Irish population? Irish have more robust malars with greater bizygomatic width (141mm) than Massif Central where West Alpinid is most concentrated. I thought the very high bizygomatic width in the Irish is due to the CM Brünn influence rather than Alpinid.

Here is an Irish female which I (correctly or otherwise) would classify as Brünn rather than Alpine compared to humanphenotypes.net West Alpinid facial morph:
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You already start off wrong classifying someone via a morph. You could use the "Brunn" morph and come to the same conclusion, that she does not fit it as well. The irony is even this morph is rather based on the Bell Beaker type than Brunn types themselves, thats how reliable these morphs. UK has been invaded by Borreby-Alpine types (usually closer to the former) and most of them survived in Ireland and Scotland- just for the same reason they have so much KN and Dinaric admix.
The difference between the continent is indeed that lower Neolithic influences, they had no choice but to stay robuster compared to France lets say.

[Melkiirs]

You are going by a ridiculed site that cites 100 year old anthropometrical studies on formerly homogenous nations though and attributing to a random Hollywood actor, probably Jewish, frankly she's not robust enough to be a "Brünn", it's an exclusive large-headed heavily robust phenotype that is probably even rarer today than 100 years ago due to selection, nutrition etc.

She is an American singer of Irish/British ancestry. Neither in Hollywood nor Jewish. This is her biography:
https://celebrationofmusic.com/molly-gibson

My assumption is that all broad faced Irish are Brünn by default. How accurate is this?