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Balkantragedy
05-07-2024, 09:54 PM
I recently took an AncestryDNA and 23&Me test. My results on both were 100% European with regions confined to the Balkans and Eastern Europe. I had no Roma or non-European ethnic groups. I uploaded my ancestry test to IllustrativeDNA, and my Middle Ages for the Balkans group is appearing as such:

39.6% Slavic
37.8 % Balkan
22.2 % Byzantine Anatolia
0.4% Indian Subcontinent

Is the Indian subcontinent result noise level, or legitimate Indian ancestry? The Roma migration was fairly recent, so I don’t see how both major DNA testing companies missed any south Asian, west Asian, or Roma DNA.

Y Haplogroup- I2
Mtdna- H12

Far_away
05-07-2024, 10:12 PM
You should not use Balkan model and Anatolia in same time because Balkan already have east med admixture
It is probably just noise. What do you get on normal modern g25?

cass
05-07-2024, 10:19 PM
Don't panic. People here have much bigger mental problems. Exemplum, a Germanic supremacist who turns out to be 7 percent Yemeni.

Balkantragedy
05-07-2024, 10:22 PM
I’m not panicking lol. I’m just curious. I don’t mind either way, but I’m trying to figure out which of these tests I should be giving credence to

Balkantragedy
05-07-2024, 10:23 PM
Do you mean the customizable modern calculator on illustrative, or the closest modern populations?

Balkantragedy
05-07-2024, 10:28 PM
You should not use Balkan model and Anatolia in same time because Balkan already have east med admixture
It is probably just noise. What do you get on normal modern g25?


Do you mean the customizable modern calculator on illustrative, or the closest modern populations?

cass
05-07-2024, 10:29 PM
Try https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?383881-G25-Byzantine-Calculator
for Ugro Finns and the results are surprising

Target: Karelian
Distance: 7.9646% / 0.07964619
56.4 Byzantine_Slav
30.6 Varangian_Rus
8.8 Indian_Medieval
4.2 Ottoman_Oguz


Target: Mordvin_Erzya
Distance: 5.6225% / 0.05622479
75.4 Byzantine_Slav
10.6 Indian_Medieval
7.8 Ottoman_Oguz
6.2 Varangian_Rus

Balkantragedy
05-07-2024, 10:35 PM
Try https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?383881-G25-Byzantine-Calculator
for Ugro Finns and the results are surprising

Target: Karelian
Distance: 7.9646% / 0.07964619
56.4 Byzantine_Slav
30.6 Varangian_Rus
8.8 Indian_Medieval
4.2 Ottoman_Oguz


Target: Mordvin_Erzya
Distance: 5.6225% / 0.05622479
75.4 Byzantine_Slav
10.6 Indian_Medieval
7.8 Ottoman_Oguz
6.2 Varangian_Rus

Yeah that’s interesting. I know on gedmatch K13 a lot of Slavs get south Asian. Also, on my K36 I had no South Asian, and on my HG ancestry I don’t have any AASI

Far_away
05-07-2024, 10:40 PM
Do you mean the customizable modern calculator on illustrative, or the closest modern populations?

I mean download your cords and download modern scaled averages
https://vahaduo.github.io/g25download/

Balkantragedy
05-07-2024, 10:50 PM
I mean download your cords and download modern scaled averages
https://vahaduo.github.io/g25download/

Should I reduce pop or fiddle with distance or anything like that? When I don’t, I get a list of a lot of different ethnicities

Far_away
05-07-2024, 11:24 PM
Should I reduce pop or fiddle with distance or anything like that? When I don’t, I get a list of a lot of different ethnicities

Don't reduce. What do you get?

Use cords for this

Roman_Anatolia:SRB_ViminaciumPecine,0.097888,0.156 392,-0.048271,-0.058786,-0.004308,-0.022311,0.011281,-0.000231,-0.01493,0.020046,0.006171,0.008992,-0.025272,0.001239,-0.013708,-0.019093,-0.006389,0.001014,0.001131,-0.01063,-0.004991,0.005193,0.006655,0.002651,-0.005868
Roman_Anatolia:TUR_Bogazkoy_Roman,0.106994,0.15537 6,-0.043369,-0.072352,-0.004616,-0.017291,-0.003995,-0.007154,-0.012885,0.019864,0.010068,0.002398,-0.01219,0.002615,-0.019137,-0.008088,0.004824,-0.006334,0.002765,-0.004627,0.002496,-0.003091,-0.002218,-0.001084,-0.005508
Roman_Anatolia:TUR_Amisos_Roman,0.117238,0.147252,-0.034695,-0.066861,0.007078,-0.024263,0.00329,-0.006,-0.008385,0.026424,0.00341,0.005395,-0.004906,-0.002064,-0.016694,0.009149,0.01369,0.0019,0.000251,-5.00E-04,0.000873,-0.002349,-0.002835,-0.000241,-0.000958
Roman_Anatolia:TUR_Apollonia_Roman,0.108132,0.1553 76,-0.02753,-0.070737,-0.008617,-0.032909,-0.00235,-0.004384,-0.001227,0.021868,0.000974,0.011839,-0.018434,-0.000275,-0.016829,0.001193,0.005607,0.010135,0.002891,0.002 751,0.002371,0.010263,-0.000986,-0.001807,-0.005389
Roman_Anatolia:TUR_Stratonikeia_Roman,0.113823,0.1 53345,-0.034695,-0.067184,0.002154,-0.01506,-0.001175,-0.007384,-0.003477,0.020228,-0.001461,0.006145,-0.013231,0.00578,-0.011129,0.001856,0.011083,0.00038,0.004525,-0.01013,0.002496,0.004081,-0.006779,0.001928,-0.000239

Steppe,0.0375618,-0.3859012,0.0904148,-0.0225292,-0.0805538,-0.0456685,0.0202698,0.0250372,0.0083852,0.0128932,-0.0154268,0.0013115,-0.0023412,0.0050232,0.0066502,-0.000431,-0.0003262,-0.0029138,0.0046195,0.0155075,-0.017594,-0.0044515,-0.016053,-0.0014158,0.0007485
Indian_Medieval,0.064879,-0.014217,-0.107479,0.096254,-0.077861,0.054941,-0.00047,0.007384,0.015544,0.002187,0.000325,-0.006294,0.004608,-0.014175,0.0057,0.009016,-0.00013,-0.004181,-0.006913,0.005378,-0.003743,-0.002473,0.003081,0.002048,-0.003952

Germanic_Tribes:HRV_Scitarjevo,0.136588,0.135065,0 .065619,0.057817,0.047393,0.017291,0.015276,0.0115 38,-0.007158,-0.006014,-0.003735,0.002847,0.00669,-0.002202,0.025651,0.009812,-0.014733,-0.000507,0.006159,0.004877,0.008984,-0.002349,0.000246,0.021087,0.003592
Germanic_Tribes:HUN_MA_Szolad,0.124067,0.139128,0. 073161,0.070737,0.043085,0.020359,0.007755,0.00784 6,0.002045,-0.015308,-0.002273,0.001798,-0.010406,-0.001239,0.020358,-0.003713,-0.024903,0.009248,0.00993,-0.009004,0.012228,0.00272,0.005546,0.010122,0.0022 75
Germanic_Tribes:POL_Weklice,0.136588,0.129988,0.07 731,0.070737,0.050471,0.024821,0.00423,0.011769,0. 01309,-0.00492,-0.005034,0.005995,-0.009663,-0.010872,0.019272,0.025192,0.010822,-0.004054,-0.001508,0.009755,0.019341,0.001113,0.002095,0.002 289,0.002036
Germanic_Tribes:SVK_Zohor,0.132035,0.128972,0.0758 01,0.056202,0.046778,0.021753,0.008695,0.010384,-0.000409,-0.01221,-0.003735,-0.002248,0.000892,-0.007156,0.018729,0.013259,-0.011474,0.007221,0.004651,0.003752,0.011854,0.001 607,-0.000986,0.013375,0.000359
Germanic_Tribes:DNK_Jutland,0.127482,0.127957,0.07 2784,0.060401,0.043393,0.022032,0.000705,0.005307, 0.000205,0.000547,-0.007632,0.006444,-0.009366,-0.007156,0.024973,0.017767,0.005867,0.005194,0.003 394,0.006503,0.005989,0.001731,-0.001972,0.018316,-0.001916

Slavic_Tribes:DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg,0.129758,0.1228 79,0.07203,0.068476,0.044316,0.025937,0.012221,0.0 13615,-0.005727,-0.024602,-0.002761,-0.007943,0.011447,0.018441,-0.014251,0.011403,0.021383,-0.005954,0.003645,0.002126,0.000873,-0.009398,0.009244,-0.005784,-0.000479
Slavic_Tribes:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.12694 1,0.081458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.00 5769,0.004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Slavic_Tribes:SVK_EMA,0.138864,0.122879,0.07203,0. 069445,0.045855,0.020917,0.009165,0.018461,-0.000614,-0.024602,-0.005196,-0.012289,0.026313,0.01913,-0.019001,0.015911,0.026077,-0.003547,0,0.010755,-0.001497,-0.002226,0.006286,-0.007953,0.000239
Slavic_Tribes:POL_Cedynia_Slav,0.124067,0.135065,0 .075424,0.072029,0.038469,0.027052,0.011986,0.0205 38,0.00634,-0.027153,-0.006171,-0.01169,0.022002,0.031516,-0.016694,-0.01127,0.002347,0.003041,0.005028,-0.001501,-0.010606,0.004946,0.007518,-0.005422,0.00479
Slavic_Tribes:HRV_Osijek,0.126344,0.11577,0.078441 ,0.077197,0.036314,0.031794,0.00846,0.018922,-0.006545,-0.034625,0.000162,-0.013788,0.015015,0.015276,-0.007057,0.013922,0.021253,-0.005701,0.001508,0.009004,-0.004991,-0.004822,0.000739,-0.005904,0.004191

Haemus_Mons:Macedonia_IA,0.125205,0.156392,0.01847 9,-0.017119,0.027697,-0.008925,0.00188,-0.004154,0.005113,0.03098,0.00341,0.009741,-0.012785,-0.005643,-0.014115,-0.002121,0.008214,0.0019,0.004399,-0.012006,-0.010606,0.008656,0.007518,0.007953,-0.005868
Haemus_Mons:Croatia_IA,0.127482,0.140143,0.030547,-0.006137,0.035699,-0.001116,-0.000235,0.005769,0.014317,0.034078,-0.003897,0.007943,-0.015461,-0.008257,0.006786,-0.006364,-0.004563,0.005448,0.005028,-0.002751,-0.001747,-0.000742,-0.001479,-0.00241,-0.005029
Haemus_Mons:Syrmia_IA,0.130897,0.152329,0.031301,-0.013566,0.029544,-0.000279,0.0047,0.002308,0.006136,0.027335,0.00568 4,0.003897,-0.017393,-0.004817,-0.007329,-0.007823,0.018515,0.000507,0.007793,-0.009254,-0.006114,-0.001607,0.007272,0.004338,-0.006347
Haemus_Mons:Bulgaria_IA,0.125205,0.158423,0.006034 ,-0.052972,0.031698,-0.02259,0.004465,-0.000231,0.00859,0.032802,0.002598,0.005095,-0.01442,-0.002064,-0.016422,-0.001458,0.012126,0.004941,0.004777,-0.013256,-0.006613,0.000989,-0.004314,0.003615,-0.011256
Haemus_Mons:Albania_IA,0.132035,0.156392,0.034695,-0.011628,0.035083,-0.001952,0.00329,0.000692,0.002659,0.031345,0.0086 07,0.016785,-0.023934,-0.004404,-0.013572,0.000663,0.011865,0.006714,0.011313,-0.010005,-0.007736,-0.000371,-0.002588,0.007832,-0.007784

gixajo
05-07-2024, 11:32 PM
:eek:

Target: gixajo_scaled(23andMe)
Distance: 2.9329% / 0.02932884
83.0 Haemus_Mons:Croatia_IA
17.0 Germanic_Tribes: POL_Weklice

Target: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
Distance: 2.8137% / 0.02813677
86.0 Haemus_Mons:Croatia_IA
14.0 Germanic_Tribes: POL_Weklice

Vitez
05-07-2024, 11:37 PM
Don't reduce. What do you get?

What do you think about this one ?
I found the Polish average on Genarchivist, seems really good.


Germanic:Germany_Schortens_Saxon_EMedieval:SRS004. A_noUDG,0.1161,0.121864,0.067882,0.059109,0.051394 ,0.02008,-0.00188,0.004384,0.005318,0.00492,-0.014453,0.005695,-0.003717,-0.012661,0.018458,0.024529,0.007432,-0.005448,0.001508,0.007003,0.010357,0.007666,-0.00912,0.024341,-0.000479
Germanic:England_Viking.SG:VK168_noUDG.SG,0.133173 ,0.129988,0.071276,0.059432,0.048624,0.02761,0.001 175,0.015922,0.010635,0.003098,-0.008282,0.006594,-0.008176,-0.020781,0.022801,0.011933,0.000261,-0.004054,-0.005405,0.014257,0.001996,0.001484,-0.001849,0.020485,0.002155
Germanic_Tribes:HRV_Scitarjevo,0.136588,0.135065,0 .065619,0.057817,0.047393,0.017291,0.015276,0.0115 38,-0.007158,-0.006014,-0.003735,0.002847,0.00669,-0.002202,0.025651,0.009812,-0.014733,-0.000507,0.006159,0.004877,0.008984,-0.002349,0.000246,0.021087,0.003592
Germanic_Tribes:HUN_MA_Szolad,0.124067,0.139128,0. 073161,0.070737,0.043085,0.020359,0.007755,0.00784 6,0.002045,-0.015308,-0.002273,0.001798,-0.010406,-0.001239,0.020358,-0.003713,-0.024903,0.009248,0.00993,-0.009004,0.012228,0.00272,0.005546,0.010122,0.0022 75
Germanic_Tribes:SVK_Zohor,0.132035,0.128972,0.0758 01,0.056202,0.046778,0.021753,0.008695,0.010384,-0.000409,-0.01221,-0.003735,-0.002248,0.000892,-0.007156,0.018729,0.013259,-0.011474,0.007221,0.004651,0.003752,0.011854,0.001 607,-0.000986,0.013375,0.000359

Slavic:Polish_Medieval(n=62),0.127812,0.124484,0.0 73964,0.06671,0.041457,0.026225,0.008911,0.012253,-0.001316,-0.024234,-0.002399,-0.010099,0.01606,0.022987,-0.009555,0.000252,0.0042,-0.00076,0.003363,0.000347,-0.003053,-0.004037,0.007041,-0.005177,0.00125

Balkan:Croatia_Roman_Empire_Trogir_(BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile),0.1161,0.159438,0.0011 31,-0.044897,0.027697,-0.017291,0,0,0.012885,0.035172,0.00341,0.008243,-0.01888,-0.002752,-0.00855,0.009414,0.023078,-0.003801,0.010182,0.005878,-0.006489,0.006677,0.004807,0.000964,0.000239
Balkan:Croatia_Roman_Empire_Zadar_(BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile),0.126344,0.155376,0.01 2068,-0.047804,0.026774,-0.015339,-0.000235,-0.000923,0.014521,0.045377,0.006496,0.012889,-0.01219,-0.009909,-0.019815,-0.001061,0.018515,0.002914,0.009176,-0.008254,-0.013476,-0.001731,-0.006162,0.003133,-0.005029
Balkan:Croatia_Late_Antiquity_Beli_Manastir-Popova-zemlja_(Paleo-Balkan_Profile),0.124067,0.150298,0.021873,-0.011628,0.02185,-0.006972,-0.002585,0.003231,-0.005727,0.023144,0.000974,0.005695,-0.013231,-0.010597,-0.004614,0.005569,0.009518,-0.003674,0.006662,-0.001,-0.00262,0.007419,0.001725,0.012773,-0.014729
Balkan:Montenegro_Doclea_Roman_oAegean.SG:R3481.SG ,0.117238,0.157407,0.015462,-0.032946,0.018773,-0.012829,0.00376,-0.002538,0,0.029887,-0.005846,0.002997,-0.017245,0.003853,-0.010858,-0.017767,-0.002086,0.003927,0.004525,-0.012256,-0.001996,0.008903,-0.003081,-0.003012,-0.002395
Balkan:Serbia_Roman_Empire_Viminacium_Pirivoj_(BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile),0.121791,0.168578,0.00 7165,-0.042313,0.028005,-0.013945,-0.000235,0.002308,0.00634,0.036447,0.007957,0.0038 97,-0.006987,-0.003991,-0.029994,-0.012198,0.005998,0.00076,0.007039,-0.014007,-0.011729,0.012242,-0.003574,0.008314,-0.001317
Balkan:Serbia_Roman_Empire-Late_Antiquity_Viminacium_Pirivoj_(BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile),0.1217905,0.1609615,0. 0032055,-0.055556,0.0246195,-0.016594,-0.0017625,-0.0046155,0.005318,0.032438,0.009175,0.008318,-0.01167,0,-0.023751,0.0012595,0.0219045,0.0058275,0.0076675,-0.0156325,-0.008984,0.0002475,0.0071485,0.009158,-0.002275
Balkan:Croatia_Late_Antiquity_Scitarjevo_(North_It alian/Balkan_Profile),0.122929,0.153345,0.026021,0,0.024 928,-0.009203,-0.003055,-0.004615,0.011658,0.016401,0.006658,0.008692,-0.015015,-0.005092,-0.001357,-0.009944,-0.005085,0.0019,0.006285,-0.011631,-0.004866,0.000989,-0.008134,-0.004699,0.004311

Turkic,0.0387,-0.384886,0.082589,-0.02261,-0.075091,-0.035698,0.018096,0.027922,0.007976,0.014032,-0.017051,3e-04,0.000149,0.001927,0.001764,-0.004906,0.000391,0.000507,0.005531,0.016508,-0.020464,0.002844,-0.020706,-0.000964,-0.000838


Target: Vitez_scaled
Distance: 0.0143% / 0.01426731
61.5 Slavic:Polish_Medieval(n=62)
16.2 Balkan:Croatia_Late_Antiquity_Scitarjevo_(North_It alian/Balkan_Profile)
14.1 Balkan:Croatia_Roman_Empire_Zadar_(BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile)
6.8 Balkan:Serbia_Roman_Empire-Late_Antiquity_Viminacium_Pirivoj_(BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile)
1.4 Turkic

Balkantragedy
05-07-2024, 11:46 PM
Try https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?383881-G25-Byzantine-Calculator
for Ugro Finns and the results are surprising

Target: Karelian
Distance: 7.9646% / 0.07964619
56.4 Byzantine_Slav
30.6 Varangian_Rus
8.8 Indian_Medieval
4.2 Ottoman_Oguz


Target: Mordvin_Erzya
Distance: 5.6225% / 0.05622479
75.4 Byzantine_Slav
10.6 Indian_Medieval
7.8 Ottoman_Oguz
6.2 Varangian_Rus

129777

Balkantragedy
05-07-2024, 11:54 PM
Don't reduce. What do you get?

Use cords for this

Roman_Anatolia:SRB_ViminaciumPecine,0.097888,0.156 392,-0.048271,-0.058786,-0.004308,-0.022311,0.011281,-0.000231,-0.01493,0.020046,0.006171,0.008992,-0.025272,0.001239,-0.013708,-0.019093,-0.006389,0.001014,0.001131,-0.01063,-0.004991,0.005193,0.006655,0.002651,-0.005868
Roman_Anatolia:TUR_Bogazkoy_Roman,0.106994,0.15537 6,-0.043369,-0.072352,-0.004616,-0.017291,-0.003995,-0.007154,-0.012885,0.019864,0.010068,0.002398,-0.01219,0.002615,-0.019137,-0.008088,0.004824,-0.006334,0.002765,-0.004627,0.002496,-0.003091,-0.002218,-0.001084,-0.005508
Roman_Anatolia:TUR_Amisos_Roman,0.117238,0.147252,-0.034695,-0.066861,0.007078,-0.024263,0.00329,-0.006,-0.008385,0.026424,0.00341,0.005395,-0.004906,-0.002064,-0.016694,0.009149,0.01369,0.0019,0.000251,-5.00E-04,0.000873,-0.002349,-0.002835,-0.000241,-0.000958
Roman_Anatolia:TUR_Apollonia_Roman,0.108132,0.1553 76,-0.02753,-0.070737,-0.008617,-0.032909,-0.00235,-0.004384,-0.001227,0.021868,0.000974,0.011839,-0.018434,-0.000275,-0.016829,0.001193,0.005607,0.010135,0.002891,0.002 751,0.002371,0.010263,-0.000986,-0.001807,-0.005389
Roman_Anatolia:TUR_Stratonikeia_Roman,0.113823,0.1 53345,-0.034695,-0.067184,0.002154,-0.01506,-0.001175,-0.007384,-0.003477,0.020228,-0.001461,0.006145,-0.013231,0.00578,-0.011129,0.001856,0.011083,0.00038,0.004525,-0.01013,0.002496,0.004081,-0.006779,0.001928,-0.000239

Steppe,0.0375618,-0.3859012,0.0904148,-0.0225292,-0.0805538,-0.0456685,0.0202698,0.0250372,0.0083852,0.0128932,-0.0154268,0.0013115,-0.0023412,0.0050232,0.0066502,-0.000431,-0.0003262,-0.0029138,0.0046195,0.0155075,-0.017594,-0.0044515,-0.016053,-0.0014158,0.0007485
Indian_Medieval,0.064879,-0.014217,-0.107479,0.096254,-0.077861,0.054941,-0.00047,0.007384,0.015544,0.002187,0.000325,-0.006294,0.004608,-0.014175,0.0057,0.009016,-0.00013,-0.004181,-0.006913,0.005378,-0.003743,-0.002473,0.003081,0.002048,-0.003952

Germanic_Tribes:HRV_Scitarjevo,0.136588,0.135065,0 .065619,0.057817,0.047393,0.017291,0.015276,0.0115 38,-0.007158,-0.006014,-0.003735,0.002847,0.00669,-0.002202,0.025651,0.009812,-0.014733,-0.000507,0.006159,0.004877,0.008984,-0.002349,0.000246,0.021087,0.003592
Germanic_Tribes:HUN_MA_Szolad,0.124067,0.139128,0. 073161,0.070737,0.043085,0.020359,0.007755,0.00784 6,0.002045,-0.015308,-0.002273,0.001798,-0.010406,-0.001239,0.020358,-0.003713,-0.024903,0.009248,0.00993,-0.009004,0.012228,0.00272,0.005546,0.010122,0.0022 75
Germanic_Tribes:POL_Weklice,0.136588,0.129988,0.07 731,0.070737,0.050471,0.024821,0.00423,0.011769,0. 01309,-0.00492,-0.005034,0.005995,-0.009663,-0.010872,0.019272,0.025192,0.010822,-0.004054,-0.001508,0.009755,0.019341,0.001113,0.002095,0.002 289,0.002036
Germanic_Tribes:SVK_Zohor,0.132035,0.128972,0.0758 01,0.056202,0.046778,0.021753,0.008695,0.010384,-0.000409,-0.01221,-0.003735,-0.002248,0.000892,-0.007156,0.018729,0.013259,-0.011474,0.007221,0.004651,0.003752,0.011854,0.001 607,-0.000986,0.013375,0.000359
Germanic_Tribes:DNK_Jutland,0.127482,0.127957,0.07 2784,0.060401,0.043393,0.022032,0.000705,0.005307, 0.000205,0.000547,-0.007632,0.006444,-0.009366,-0.007156,0.024973,0.017767,0.005867,0.005194,0.003 394,0.006503,0.005989,0.001731,-0.001972,0.018316,-0.001916

Slavic_Tribes:DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg,0.129758,0.1228 79,0.07203,0.068476,0.044316,0.025937,0.012221,0.0 13615,-0.005727,-0.024602,-0.002761,-0.007943,0.011447,0.018441,-0.014251,0.011403,0.021383,-0.005954,0.003645,0.002126,0.000873,-0.009398,0.009244,-0.005784,-0.000479
Slavic_Tribes:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.12694 1,0.081458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.00 5769,0.004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Slavic_Tribes:SVK_EMA,0.138864,0.122879,0.07203,0. 069445,0.045855,0.020917,0.009165,0.018461,-0.000614,-0.024602,-0.005196,-0.012289,0.026313,0.01913,-0.019001,0.015911,0.026077,-0.003547,0,0.010755,-0.001497,-0.002226,0.006286,-0.007953,0.000239
Slavic_Tribes:POL_Cedynia_Slav,0.124067,0.135065,0 .075424,0.072029,0.038469,0.027052,0.011986,0.0205 38,0.00634,-0.027153,-0.006171,-0.01169,0.022002,0.031516,-0.016694,-0.01127,0.002347,0.003041,0.005028,-0.001501,-0.010606,0.004946,0.007518,-0.005422,0.00479
Slavic_Tribes:HRV_Osijek,0.126344,0.11577,0.078441 ,0.077197,0.036314,0.031794,0.00846,0.018922,-0.006545,-0.034625,0.000162,-0.013788,0.015015,0.015276,-0.007057,0.013922,0.021253,-0.005701,0.001508,0.009004,-0.004991,-0.004822,0.000739,-0.005904,0.004191

Haemus_Mons:Macedonia_IA,0.125205,0.156392,0.01847 9,-0.017119,0.027697,-0.008925,0.00188,-0.004154,0.005113,0.03098,0.00341,0.009741,-0.012785,-0.005643,-0.014115,-0.002121,0.008214,0.0019,0.004399,-0.012006,-0.010606,0.008656,0.007518,0.007953,-0.005868
Haemus_Mons:Croatia_IA,0.127482,0.140143,0.030547,-0.006137,0.035699,-0.001116,-0.000235,0.005769,0.014317,0.034078,-0.003897,0.007943,-0.015461,-0.008257,0.006786,-0.006364,-0.004563,0.005448,0.005028,-0.002751,-0.001747,-0.000742,-0.001479,-0.00241,-0.005029
Haemus_Mons:Syrmia_IA,0.130897,0.152329,0.031301,-0.013566,0.029544,-0.000279,0.0047,0.002308,0.006136,0.027335,0.00568 4,0.003897,-0.017393,-0.004817,-0.007329,-0.007823,0.018515,0.000507,0.007793,-0.009254,-0.006114,-0.001607,0.007272,0.004338,-0.006347
Haemus_Mons:Bulgaria_IA,0.125205,0.158423,0.006034 ,-0.052972,0.031698,-0.02259,0.004465,-0.000231,0.00859,0.032802,0.002598,0.005095,-0.01442,-0.002064,-0.016422,-0.001458,0.012126,0.004941,0.004777,-0.013256,-0.006613,0.000989,-0.004314,0.003615,-0.011256
Haemus_Mons:Albania_IA,0.132035,0.156392,0.034695,-0.011628,0.035083,-0.001952,0.00329,0.000692,0.002659,0.031345,0.0086 07,0.016785,-0.023934,-0.004404,-0.013572,0.000663,0.011865,0.006714,0.011313,-0.010005,-0.007736,-0.000371,-0.002588,0.007832,-0.007784

129778

Far_away
05-07-2024, 11:57 PM
What do you think about this one ?
I found the Polish average on Genarchivist, seems really good.


Germanic:Germany_Schortens_Saxon_EMedieval:SRS004. A_noUDG,0.1161,0.121864,0.067882,0.059109,0.051394 ,0.02008,-0.00188,0.004384,0.005318,0.00492,-0.014453,0.005695,-0.003717,-0.012661,0.018458,0.024529,0.007432,-0.005448,0.001508,0.007003,0.010357,0.007666,-0.00912,0.024341,-0.000479
Germanic:England_Viking.SG:VK168_noUDG.SG,0.133173 ,0.129988,0.071276,0.059432,0.048624,0.02761,0.001 175,0.015922,0.010635,0.003098,-0.008282,0.006594,-0.008176,-0.020781,0.022801,0.011933,0.000261,-0.004054,-0.005405,0.014257,0.001996,0.001484,-0.001849,0.020485,0.002155
Germanic_Tribes:HRV_Scitarjevo,0.136588,0.135065,0 .065619,0.057817,0.047393,0.017291,0.015276,0.0115 38,-0.007158,-0.006014,-0.003735,0.002847,0.00669,-0.002202,0.025651,0.009812,-0.014733,-0.000507,0.006159,0.004877,0.008984,-0.002349,0.000246,0.021087,0.003592
Germanic_Tribes:HUN_MA_Szolad,0.124067,0.139128,0. 073161,0.070737,0.043085,0.020359,0.007755,0.00784 6,0.002045,-0.015308,-0.002273,0.001798,-0.010406,-0.001239,0.020358,-0.003713,-0.024903,0.009248,0.00993,-0.009004,0.012228,0.00272,0.005546,0.010122,0.0022 75
Germanic_Tribes:SVK_Zohor,0.132035,0.128972,0.0758 01,0.056202,0.046778,0.021753,0.008695,0.010384,-0.000409,-0.01221,-0.003735,-0.002248,0.000892,-0.007156,0.018729,0.013259,-0.011474,0.007221,0.004651,0.003752,0.011854,0.001 607,-0.000986,0.013375,0.000359

Slavic:Polish_Medieval(n=62),0.127812,0.124484,0.0 73964,0.06671,0.041457,0.026225,0.008911,0.012253,-0.001316,-0.024234,-0.002399,-0.010099,0.01606,0.022987,-0.009555,0.000252,0.0042,-0.00076,0.003363,0.000347,-0.003053,-0.004037,0.007041,-0.005177,0.00125

Balkan:Croatia_Roman_Empire_Trogir_(BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile),0.1161,0.159438,0.0011 31,-0.044897,0.027697,-0.017291,0,0,0.012885,0.035172,0.00341,0.008243,-0.01888,-0.002752,-0.00855,0.009414,0.023078,-0.003801,0.010182,0.005878,-0.006489,0.006677,0.004807,0.000964,0.000239
Balkan:Croatia_Roman_Empire_Zadar_(BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile),0.126344,0.155376,0.01 2068,-0.047804,0.026774,-0.015339,-0.000235,-0.000923,0.014521,0.045377,0.006496,0.012889,-0.01219,-0.009909,-0.019815,-0.001061,0.018515,0.002914,0.009176,-0.008254,-0.013476,-0.001731,-0.006162,0.003133,-0.005029
Balkan:Croatia_Late_Antiquity_Beli_Manastir-Popova-zemlja_(Paleo-Balkan_Profile),0.124067,0.150298,0.021873,-0.011628,0.02185,-0.006972,-0.002585,0.003231,-0.005727,0.023144,0.000974,0.005695,-0.013231,-0.010597,-0.004614,0.005569,0.009518,-0.003674,0.006662,-0.001,-0.00262,0.007419,0.001725,0.012773,-0.014729
Balkan:Montenegro_Doclea_Roman_oAegean.SG:R3481.SG ,0.117238,0.157407,0.015462,-0.032946,0.018773,-0.012829,0.00376,-0.002538,0,0.029887,-0.005846,0.002997,-0.017245,0.003853,-0.010858,-0.017767,-0.002086,0.003927,0.004525,-0.012256,-0.001996,0.008903,-0.003081,-0.003012,-0.002395
Balkan:Serbia_Roman_Empire_Viminacium_Pirivoj_(BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile),0.121791,0.168578,0.00 7165,-0.042313,0.028005,-0.013945,-0.000235,0.002308,0.00634,0.036447,0.007957,0.0038 97,-0.006987,-0.003991,-0.029994,-0.012198,0.005998,0.00076,0.007039,-0.014007,-0.011729,0.012242,-0.003574,0.008314,-0.001317
Balkan:Serbia_Roman_Empire-Late_Antiquity_Viminacium_Pirivoj_(BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile),0.1217905,0.1609615,0. 0032055,-0.055556,0.0246195,-0.016594,-0.0017625,-0.0046155,0.005318,0.032438,0.009175,0.008318,-0.01167,0,-0.023751,0.0012595,0.0219045,0.0058275,0.0076675,-0.0156325,-0.008984,0.0002475,0.0071485,0.009158,-0.002275
Balkan:Croatia_Late_Antiquity_Scitarjevo_(North_It alian/Balkan_Profile),0.122929,0.153345,0.026021,0,0.024 928,-0.009203,-0.003055,-0.004615,0.011658,0.016401,0.006658,0.008692,-0.015015,-0.005092,-0.001357,-0.009944,-0.005085,0.0019,0.006285,-0.011631,-0.004866,0.000989,-0.008134,-0.004699,0.004311

Turkic,0.0387,-0.384886,0.082589,-0.02261,-0.075091,-0.035698,0.018096,0.027922,0.007976,0.014032,-0.017051,3e-04,0.000149,0.001927,0.001764,-0.004906,0.000391,0.000507,0.005531,0.016508,-0.020464,0.002844,-0.020706,-0.000964,-0.000838


Target: Vitez_scaled
Distance: 0.0143% / 0.01426731
61.5 Slavic:Polish_Medieval(n=62)
16.2 Balkan:Croatia_Late_Antiquity_Scitarjevo_(North_It alian/Balkan_Profile)
14.1 Balkan:Croatia_Roman_Empire_Zadar_(BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile)
6.8 Balkan:Serbia_Roman_Empire-Late_Antiquity_Viminacium_Pirivoj_(BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile)
1.4 Turkic

Nice

Distance: 2.0371% / 0.02037073
53.6 Balkan
46.4 Slavic

Using this slavic sample always give me good distance

Slavic:Early_Avar_period:RFK106__AD_609,0.12862,0. 128972,0.07731,0.076551,0.040315,0.026774,0.012926 ,0.008307,0.001432,-0.030798,-0.003735,-0.01154,0.01665,0.022432,-0.016829,0.011005,0.025555,0.000887,0.008925,0.008 754,-0.008984,-0.014344,0.000123,-0.005181,0.003592


Distance: 1.4221% / 0.01422061
58.0 Balkan
42.0 Slavic

Distance: 1.4221% / 0.01422061
42.0 Slavic:Early_Avar_period:RFK106__AD_609
28.2 Balkan:Serbia_Roman_Empire-Late_Antiquity_Viminacium_Pirivoj_(BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile)
25.6 Balkan:Croatia_Late_Antiquity_Beli_Manastir-Popova-zemlja_(Paleo-Balkan_Profile)
3.8 Balkan:Croatia_Roman_Empire_Trogir_(BA-IA_Southern_Balkan_Profile)
0.4 Balkan:Montenegro_Doclea_Roman_oAegean.SG:R3481.SG

I think this is good profile of early slav

Far_away
05-07-2024, 11:58 PM
:eek:

Target: gixajo_scaled(23andMe)
Distance: 2.9329% / 0.02932884
83.0 Haemus_Mons:Croatia_IA
17.0 Germanic_Tribes: POL_Weklice

Target: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
Distance: 2.8137% / 0.02813677
86.0 Haemus_Mons:Croatia_IA
14.0 Germanic_Tribes: POL_Weklice

Welcome back ;)

Beowulf
05-08-2024, 12:02 AM
Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0165% / 0.01653363
54.6 Iberian
26.3 Germanic_Tribes
13.7 Roman_Anatolia
5.4 Slavic_Tribes

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Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0113% / 0.01132032
34.2 Balkan
32.2 Germanic
29.2 Iberian
4.4 Slavic

Balkantragedy
05-08-2024, 12:22 AM
Don't reduce. What do you get?

Use cords for this

Roman_Anatolia:SRB_ViminaciumPecine,0.097888,0.156 392,-0.048271,-0.058786,-0.004308,-0.022311,0.011281,-0.000231,-0.01493,0.020046,0.006171,0.008992,-0.025272,0.001239,-0.013708,-0.019093,-0.006389,0.001014,0.001131,-0.01063,-0.004991,0.005193,0.006655,0.002651,-0.005868
Roman_Anatolia:TUR_Bogazkoy_Roman,0.106994,0.15537 6,-0.043369,-0.072352,-0.004616,-0.017291,-0.003995,-0.007154,-0.012885,0.019864,0.010068,0.002398,-0.01219,0.002615,-0.019137,-0.008088,0.004824,-0.006334,0.002765,-0.004627,0.002496,-0.003091,-0.002218,-0.001084,-0.005508
Roman_Anatolia:TUR_Amisos_Roman,0.117238,0.147252,-0.034695,-0.066861,0.007078,-0.024263,0.00329,-0.006,-0.008385,0.026424,0.00341,0.005395,-0.004906,-0.002064,-0.016694,0.009149,0.01369,0.0019,0.000251,-5.00E-04,0.000873,-0.002349,-0.002835,-0.000241,-0.000958
Roman_Anatolia:TUR_Apollonia_Roman,0.108132,0.1553 76,-0.02753,-0.070737,-0.008617,-0.032909,-0.00235,-0.004384,-0.001227,0.021868,0.000974,0.011839,-0.018434,-0.000275,-0.016829,0.001193,0.005607,0.010135,0.002891,0.002 751,0.002371,0.010263,-0.000986,-0.001807,-0.005389
Roman_Anatolia:TUR_Stratonikeia_Roman,0.113823,0.1 53345,-0.034695,-0.067184,0.002154,-0.01506,-0.001175,-0.007384,-0.003477,0.020228,-0.001461,0.006145,-0.013231,0.00578,-0.011129,0.001856,0.011083,0.00038,0.004525,-0.01013,0.002496,0.004081,-0.006779,0.001928,-0.000239

Steppe,0.0375618,-0.3859012,0.0904148,-0.0225292,-0.0805538,-0.0456685,0.0202698,0.0250372,0.0083852,0.0128932,-0.0154268,0.0013115,-0.0023412,0.0050232,0.0066502,-0.000431,-0.0003262,-0.0029138,0.0046195,0.0155075,-0.017594,-0.0044515,-0.016053,-0.0014158,0.0007485
Indian_Medieval,0.064879,-0.014217,-0.107479,0.096254,-0.077861,0.054941,-0.00047,0.007384,0.015544,0.002187,0.000325,-0.006294,0.004608,-0.014175,0.0057,0.009016,-0.00013,-0.004181,-0.006913,0.005378,-0.003743,-0.002473,0.003081,0.002048,-0.003952

Germanic_Tribes:HRV_Scitarjevo,0.136588,0.135065,0 .065619,0.057817,0.047393,0.017291,0.015276,0.0115 38,-0.007158,-0.006014,-0.003735,0.002847,0.00669,-0.002202,0.025651,0.009812,-0.014733,-0.000507,0.006159,0.004877,0.008984,-0.002349,0.000246,0.021087,0.003592
Germanic_Tribes:HUN_MA_Szolad,0.124067,0.139128,0. 073161,0.070737,0.043085,0.020359,0.007755,0.00784 6,0.002045,-0.015308,-0.002273,0.001798,-0.010406,-0.001239,0.020358,-0.003713,-0.024903,0.009248,0.00993,-0.009004,0.012228,0.00272,0.005546,0.010122,0.0022 75
Germanic_Tribes:POL_Weklice,0.136588,0.129988,0.07 731,0.070737,0.050471,0.024821,0.00423,0.011769,0. 01309,-0.00492,-0.005034,0.005995,-0.009663,-0.010872,0.019272,0.025192,0.010822,-0.004054,-0.001508,0.009755,0.019341,0.001113,0.002095,0.002 289,0.002036
Germanic_Tribes:SVK_Zohor,0.132035,0.128972,0.0758 01,0.056202,0.046778,0.021753,0.008695,0.010384,-0.000409,-0.01221,-0.003735,-0.002248,0.000892,-0.007156,0.018729,0.013259,-0.011474,0.007221,0.004651,0.003752,0.011854,0.001 607,-0.000986,0.013375,0.000359
Germanic_Tribes:DNK_Jutland,0.127482,0.127957,0.07 2784,0.060401,0.043393,0.022032,0.000705,0.005307, 0.000205,0.000547,-0.007632,0.006444,-0.009366,-0.007156,0.024973,0.017767,0.005867,0.005194,0.003 394,0.006503,0.005989,0.001731,-0.001972,0.018316,-0.001916

Slavic_Tribes:DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg,0.129758,0.1228 79,0.07203,0.068476,0.044316,0.025937,0.012221,0.0 13615,-0.005727,-0.024602,-0.002761,-0.007943,0.011447,0.018441,-0.014251,0.011403,0.021383,-0.005954,0.003645,0.002126,0.000873,-0.009398,0.009244,-0.005784,-0.000479
Slavic_Tribes:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.12694 1,0.081458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.00 5769,0.004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Slavic_Tribes:SVK_EMA,0.138864,0.122879,0.07203,0. 069445,0.045855,0.020917,0.009165,0.018461,-0.000614,-0.024602,-0.005196,-0.012289,0.026313,0.01913,-0.019001,0.015911,0.026077,-0.003547,0,0.010755,-0.001497,-0.002226,0.006286,-0.007953,0.000239
Slavic_Tribes:POL_Cedynia_Slav,0.124067,0.135065,0 .075424,0.072029,0.038469,0.027052,0.011986,0.0205 38,0.00634,-0.027153,-0.006171,-0.01169,0.022002,0.031516,-0.016694,-0.01127,0.002347,0.003041,0.005028,-0.001501,-0.010606,0.004946,0.007518,-0.005422,0.00479
Slavic_Tribes:HRV_Osijek,0.126344,0.11577,0.078441 ,0.077197,0.036314,0.031794,0.00846,0.018922,-0.006545,-0.034625,0.000162,-0.013788,0.015015,0.015276,-0.007057,0.013922,0.021253,-0.005701,0.001508,0.009004,-0.004991,-0.004822,0.000739,-0.005904,0.004191

Haemus_Mons:Macedonia_IA,0.125205,0.156392,0.01847 9,-0.017119,0.027697,-0.008925,0.00188,-0.004154,0.005113,0.03098,0.00341,0.009741,-0.012785,-0.005643,-0.014115,-0.002121,0.008214,0.0019,0.004399,-0.012006,-0.010606,0.008656,0.007518,0.007953,-0.005868
Haemus_Mons:Croatia_IA,0.127482,0.140143,0.030547,-0.006137,0.035699,-0.001116,-0.000235,0.005769,0.014317,0.034078,-0.003897,0.007943,-0.015461,-0.008257,0.006786,-0.006364,-0.004563,0.005448,0.005028,-0.002751,-0.001747,-0.000742,-0.001479,-0.00241,-0.005029
Haemus_Mons:Syrmia_IA,0.130897,0.152329,0.031301,-0.013566,0.029544,-0.000279,0.0047,0.002308,0.006136,0.027335,0.00568 4,0.003897,-0.017393,-0.004817,-0.007329,-0.007823,0.018515,0.000507,0.007793,-0.009254,-0.006114,-0.001607,0.007272,0.004338,-0.006347
Haemus_Mons:Bulgaria_IA,0.125205,0.158423,0.006034 ,-0.052972,0.031698,-0.02259,0.004465,-0.000231,0.00859,0.032802,0.002598,0.005095,-0.01442,-0.002064,-0.016422,-0.001458,0.012126,0.004941,0.004777,-0.013256,-0.006613,0.000989,-0.004314,0.003615,-0.011256
Haemus_Mons:Albania_IA,0.132035,0.156392,0.034695,-0.011628,0.035083,-0.001952,0.00329,0.000692,0.002659,0.031345,0.0086 07,0.016785,-0.023934,-0.004404,-0.013572,0.000663,0.011865,0.006714,0.011313,-0.010005,-0.007736,-0.000371,-0.002588,0.007832,-0.007784

1 percent Uttar Pradesh on the modern calc. I still feel like it’s noise, because if this is modern ancestry, then the testing companies should catch it since they test modern. Ancestry, 23andMe, ftdna, and MyHeritage have all shown just Balkan/slavic, so I’m curious how the G25 coordinates are giving these values.

Far_away
05-08-2024, 12:33 AM
1 percent Uttar Pradesh on the modern calc. I still feel like it’s noise, because if this is modern ancestry, then the testing companies should catch it since they test modern. Ancestry, 23andMe, ftdna, and MyHeritage have all shown just Balkan/slavic, so I’m curious how the G25 coordinates are giving these values.

Do you score Indian_Medieval as well? What are your genetic groups on MH? no roma? anyway it is just small % not a big deal.

Balkantragedy
05-08-2024, 12:41 AM
Do you score Indian_Medieval as well? What are your genetic groups on MH? no roma? anyway it is just small % not a big deal.

On MH none of the genetic groups are Romani. And I don’t score any Indian groups on ancient. So I’m puzzled. I don’t mind if I have a Roma ancestor, I’m just wondering why none of my dna test results are showing it besides Illustrative/G25.

majevica
05-08-2024, 12:50 AM
It's probably just noise related to Iran_N ancestry

Balkantragedy
05-08-2024, 01:27 AM
Don't panic. People here have much bigger mental problems. Exemplum, a Germanic supremacist who turns out to be 7 percent Yemeni.

You know whats strange, the simulated coordinated I got from "explore your DNA" or more accurate than the one's I got from Illustrative. My mother is a Slavic macedonian and the Illustrative coordinates always just clump it with Bulgarian or albanian, but the simulated ones had Macedonia show up as a result

ScandinavianCelt
05-08-2024, 01:29 AM
I recently took an AncestryDNA and 23&Me test. My results on both were 100% European with regions confined to the Balkans and Eastern Europe. I had no Roma or non-European ethnic groups. I uploaded my ancestry test to IllustrativeDNA, and my Middle Ages for the Balkans group is appearing as such:

39.6% Slavic
37.8 % Balkan
22.2 % Byzantine Anatolia
0.4% Indian Subcontinent

Is the Indian subcontinent result noise level, or legitimate Indian ancestry? The Roma migration was fairly recent, so I don’t see how both major DNA testing companies missed any south Asian, west Asian, or Roma DNA.

Y Haplogroup- I2
Mtdna- H12



Try the MDLP k10c calc if you can (should be free if you don't have a subscription): https://www.dnagenics.com/ancestry/admixture/mdlpk10c

It will show up as ASI. This calc is ANCIENT, obviously.

This is mine:

DNAGENICS - Admixture Studio
MDLP K10c

Easteurasian 49.05%
Northeuropean 20.32%
CHG 18.78%
Basal 2.55%
ASI 2.34%
Paleosiberian 1.94%
Papuan 1.83%
Siberian 1.21%
SEA 1.20%
African 0.79%

Far_away
05-08-2024, 10:57 PM
On MH none of the genetic groups are Romani. And I don’t score any Indian groups on ancient. So I’m puzzled. I don’t mind if I have a Roma ancestor, I’m just wondering why none of my dna test results are showing it besides Illustrative/G25.

Only thing i can say Illustrative is very good. It is not shit like mytrueancestry that is for fun. Talking about us, illustrative really show what historically is correct, that we are mixture of Slavs and paleo balkan people(mostly Illyrians) and settlers from Anatolia during Roman time.
The only thing you can do if you don’t trust it is whole genome sequencing. This beats everything and you can be then 100% sure in it.

Balkantragedy
05-08-2024, 11:17 PM
Only thing i can say Illustrative is very good. It is not shit like mytrueancestry that is for fun. Talking about us, illustrative really show what historically is correct, that we are mixture of Slavs and paleo balkan people(mostly Illyrians) and settlers from Anatolia during Roman time.
The only thing you can do if you don’t trust it is whole genome sequencing. This beats everything and you can be then 100% sure in it.

But do you think illustrative Modern is more accurate than every single commercial test available? That’s the conundrum I have at the moment. I just don’t see how ancestry, 23, ftdna, and MH would all miss georgian or Indian ancestry, but illustrative didn’t? Additionally, I did simulated coordinates using K36, and it gave me scarily accurate results. G25 basically clumped things into Bulgarian, Serbian, or Albanian, but the simulated coordinates perfectly parsed out my Montenegrin, macedonian, Serbian, and Bulgarian ancestry. I’m just trying to gauge how much I should be trusting G25 compared to all these other ones lol

Far_away
05-09-2024, 12:34 AM
But do you think illustrative Modern is more accurate than every single commercial test available? That’s the conundrum I have at the moment. I just don’t see how ancestry, 23, ftdna, and MH would all miss georgian or Indian ancestry, but illustrative didn’t? Additionally, I did simulated coordinates using K36, and it gave me scarily accurate results. G25 basically clumped things into Bulgarian, Serbian, or Albanian, but the simulated coordinates perfectly parsed out my Montenegrin, macedonian, Serbian, and Bulgarian ancestry. I’m just trying to gauge how much I should be trusting G25 compared to all these other ones lol

G25 is just one of tools to help you with finding more about ancestry.if you think its not accurate then find something else, nothing can be 100% right. You have qpADM people say that is way more accurate but i do not know how to use it. Good luck.

For me simulated cords from k36 do not work, they give me very much Greek genetics.

Kenshiro
05-09-2024, 06:04 AM
Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 1.7110% / 0.01711005
49.6 Balkan
24.0 Roman_Anatolia
12.4 Haemus_Mons
9.8 Slavic_Tribes
2.0 Indian_Medieval
1.6 Steppe
0.6 Germanic

MandM
05-09-2024, 06:38 AM
Target: MandM
Distance: 0.0164% / 0.01638943
46.8 Haemus_Mons
36.3 Slavic_Tribes
15.2 Roman_Anatolia
1.7 Steppe


Target: MandM
Distance: 0.0173% / 0.01729487
59.5 Balkan
39.3 Slavic
1.2 Turkic