K36 European countries only calculator (no small regions)

[Scandal]

Link to the countries only spreadsheet: https://universe-apricity.github.io/Calculators/k36-eu-only.html
I recommend using the "Copy all" button.

Gedmatch to vahaduo format converter: https://allelocator.ovh/horizontaltovertical.html

Link to Vahaduo oracle: https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

More K36 spreadsheets: https://universe-apricity.github.io/Calculators/k36.html

Credit goes to Russki for sending me these spreadsheets.

[Scandal]

Distance to: Hungarian
4.16114167 Slovenian
4.40271507 Croatian
6.51865017 Bosnian
7.90129103 Czech
8.42762125 Slovak
8.46597897 Serb
9.20322769 Austrian
10.01316633 Montenegrin
11.31362011 Romanian
12.50153991 German
12.73656547 Ukrainian
13.53080559 Bulgarian
13.86045815 Polish
14.68001022 Moldovan
16.21077728 Afrikaner
16.25195681 Swiss_German
16.97273107 Swiss
17.34881264 North_Macedonian
17.39319695 Flemish
17.47301634 Belgian
17.98810440 Walloon
18.91883982 Belarusian
19.54132800 French
19.97495932 Dutch
20.26947952 English

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 190.9970% / 1.90996989 | R3P
46.0 Ukrainian
30.2 Montenegrin
23.8 Walloon

[Scandal]

Distance to: Univ
10.11023739 Slovak
11.42276674 Polish
11.75440343 Ukrainian
13.05307627 Slovenian
13.51162092 Hungarian
13.54796295 Czech
13.80232589 Croatian
14.25287690 Bosnian
14.76986120 Belarusian
16.89032563 Serb
18.16608654 Russian
19.51304179 Montenegrin
20.29556355 Austrian
20.52981490 Romanian
20.91309159 German
21.65340851 Latvian
22.18355247 Bulgarian
23.05356155 Lithuanian
23.72915506 Moldovan
24.06365309 North_Macedonian
24.92480291 Afrikaner
26.50494294 Swiss_German
26.68566282 Flemish
26.70086515 Danish
26.97180565 Estonian

Target: Univ
Distance: 920.1302% / 9.20130160 | R3P
84.0 Polish
11.0 Cypriot
5.0 Portuguese

[Beowulf]

Target: BeowulfK36
Distance: 10.8041% / 10.80412175
26.7 Belarusian
24.6 Portuguese
16.8 Cypriot
13.3 Irish
11.4 Spanish
6.6 Sardinian
0.6 Lithuanian
------------------------------------------------

Target: BeowulfK36
Distance: 11.1482% / 11.14821264 | ADC: 0.25x
34.7 Portuguese
16.9 Czech
14.1 Belarusian
10.5 Ashkenazi
8.0 North_Macedonian
6.4 Irish
4.7 Cypriot
4.7 Sardinian






<tbody>
Distance to:
BeowulfK36


16.47164533
Romanian


16.81333102
Serb


16.94601428
Bulgarian


17.62700769
French


17.95931513
Montenegrin


18.01843223
Austrian


18.03260381
Croatian


18.32385058
Hungarian


18.67803791
Bosnian


18.70301045
North_Macedonian

</tbody>

[Scandal]

Target: BeowulfK36
Distance: 10.8041% / 10.80412175
26.7 Belarusian
24.6 Portuguese
16.8 Cypriot
13.3 Irish
11.4 Spanish
6.6 Sardinian
0.6 Lithuanian


<tbody>
Distance to:
BeowulfK36


16.47164533
Romanian


16.81333102
Serb


16.94601428
Bulgarian


17.62700769
French


17.95931513
Montenegrin


18.01843223
Austrian


18.03260381
Croatian


18.32385058
Hungarian


18.67803791
Bosnian


18.70301045
North_Macedonian


</tbody>
Very weird result. Why?

[Dušan]

Target: Dušan(K36)
Distance: 7.8666% / 7.86660145
30.0 Romanian
25.9 Bosnian
24.5 Moldovan
16.1 Belarusian
3.5 Albanian



Distance to: Dušan(K36)
8.73650388 Serb
8.79846009 Bosnian
10.07547021 Romanian
10.36766126 Montenegrin
10.49804744 Croatian
11.95847816 Moldovan
12.06934961 Bulgarian
12.10724989 Hungarian
13.74753069 Slovenian
15.49623180 North_Macedonian

[Beowulf]

Very weird result. Why?

I don't know my gedmatch coords are just that weird and eastern shifted...

BeowulfK36,0.03,0.54,4.30,8.56,0.21,5.30,0.00,0.32 ,0.90,0.23,9.13,5.65,5.26,1.95,6.12,12.95,0.00,6.7 4,0.15,1.36,4.35,7.55,1.16,3.78,0.31,0.81,0.49,0.3 3,0.24,0.24,0.06,0.00,1.10,0.05,3.55,6.28

[Dušan]

I don't know my gedmatch coords are just that weird and eastern shifted...

BeowulfK36,0.03,0.54,4.30,8.56,0.21,5.30,0.00,0.32 ,0.90,0.23,9.13,5.65,5.26,1.95,6.12,12.95,0.00,6.7 4,0.15,1.36,4.35,7.55,1.16,3.78,0.31,0.81,0.49,0.3 3,0.24,0.24,0.06,0.00,1.10,0.05,3.55,6.28

Hmmm, interesting.

[Beowulf]

<tbody>
Distance to:
BeowulfK36


12.68893305
52.80% Bosnian + 47.20% Portuguese


12.79396418
54.60% Croatian + 45.40% Portuguese


12.89852074
55.60% Portuguese + 44.40% Slovak


12.92287987
60.80% Portuguese + 39.20% Ukrainian


12.98452986
38.00% Polish + 62.00% Portuguese



</tbody>

[Scandal]

<tbody>
Distance to:
BeowulfK36


12.68893305
52.80% Bosnian + 47.20% Portuguese


12.79396418
54.60% Croatian + 45.40% Portuguese


12.89852074
55.60% Portuguese + 44.40% Slovak


12.92287987
60.80% Portuguese + 39.20% Ukrainian


12.98452986
38.00% Polish + 62.00% Portuguese



</tbody>
There's something wrong. K36 is perhaps overrated?

[Beowulf]

There's something wrong. K36 is perhaps overrated?

Maybe?

[Dušan]

Link to the countries only spreadsheet: https://universe-apricity.github.io/Calculators/k36-eu-only.html
I recommend using the "Copy all" button.
.

PCA plot:

https://i.imgur.com/VXrIayh.png


Moldovan average is southern shifted.
In reality, it is somewhere between Serb and Bosnian.

[Russki]

I don't know my gedmatch coords are just that weird and eastern shifted...

BeowulfK36,0.03,0.54,4.30,8.56,0.21,5.30,0.00,0.32 ,0.90,0.23,9.13,5.65,5.26,1.95,6.12,12.95,0.00,6.7 4,0.15,1.36,4.35,7.55,1.16,3.78,0.31,0.81,0.49,0.3 3,0.24,0.24,0.06,0.00,1.10,0.05,3.55,6.28


Aren't you 1/8 Lithuanian going by your family surnames? They are much more Eastern shifted than Poles and would be enough to shift you towards Balkans.

[Beowulf]

Aren't you 1/8 Lithuanian going by your family surnames? They are much more Eastern shifted than Poles and would be enough to shift you towards Balkans.

1/16 Polish although someone here some time ago found that the surname was of Estonian or lithuanian origin, i don't remember wich one of both places was right now, would make a bit more sense if it was my mom or my maternal grandma to be the ones shifted to Balkans i think, and me more towards iberia and France because of my dad being just mostly Spanish and a bit northern italian overall.

Maybe is just an issue or a weird glitch of K36?

[Vitez]

I left out the Slovenian sample (I put it back for the distance).

Target: Vitez
Distance: 7.3760% / 7.37597756 | ADC: 0.25x
50.5 Croatian
15.3 Hungarian
11.5 Portuguese
10.5 Ukrainian
6.8 Bulgarian
3.8 Finnish
1.6 Russian


Target: Vitez
Distance: 8.1305% / 8.13050801 | ADC: 0.5x
60.5 Croatian
34.4 Hungarian
3.5 Portuguese
1.6 Finnish

Distance to: Vitez
8.89447581 Slovenian
8.91573328 Croatian
10.31405837 Bosnian
11.12597861 Serb
12.14909873 Czech
12.54344849 Montenegrin
12.70483373 Romanian
12.91751524 Austrian
13.05705939 Slovak
14.44948788 Bulgarian
15.29764361 Ukrainian
16.19848450 Moldovan
16.64145126 Polish
16.95155155 German

[Far_away]

This is the first time im getting Serb as first population and not Romanian or Bulgarian ;)

7.04867363 Serb
7.17920608 Romanian
7.73633634 Montenegrin
7.80370425 Romanian_Southeast
8.09506640 Romanian_Northeast
8.22418993 Bulgarian
8.67067471 Gagauz
8.77365944 Moldova_South
9.11189881 Serb_Dalmatia
9.17718366 Moldovan
9.33777811 Romanian_Northwest
9.35275895 Romanian_Southwest
10.37932560 Bosnian
10.55800644 Moldova_Centre
11.00124993 North_Macedonian
11.15527230 Albanian_Montenegro
11.79126796 Moldova_North
11.91762980 Croat
12.09593733 Romanian_Central
12.89050426 Albanian_Kosovo
13.20251112 Greek_Central-Macedonia
13.37961135 Hungarian
13.80072462 Greek_Northeast
14.10604480 Italian_Friuli
14.32632193 Albanian_North



Distance: 584.0928% / 5.84092778 | R3P
46.8 Albanian_Montenegro
30.8 Gagauz
22.4 Ukrainian_Zhitomir

[Solitude]

strange result

Target: result
Distance: 664.2437% / 6.64243726
46.2 Spanish
14.8 Gambian
8.4 Luhya_Kenya
8.0 Portuguese
8.0 Swiss_German
7.6 Karitiana
7.0 Italian

[majevica]

Distance to: K36
5.71328277 Serb
5.90702125 Montenegrin
7.16466329 Romanian
7.89276884 Bosnian
8.03428279 Croatian
8.22929523 Bulgarian
9.21142769 Hungarian
9.63398671 Moldovan
10.94225297 Slovenian
12.06400017 North_Macedonian



4.505 K36 = 91% Montenegrin + 9% Lithuanian
4.568 K36 = 65% Montenegrin + 35% Bosnian
4.954 K36 = 60% Bulgarian + 40% Slovenian
5.032 K36 = 54% Serb + 46% Montenegrin
5.079 K36 = 56% Albanian + 44% Polish

[Scandal]

PCA plot:

https://i.imgur.com/VXrIayh.png


Moldovan average is southern shifted.
In reality, it is somewhere between Serb and Bosnian.
Oracle is always more accurate than PCA plot. When you project 36 coordinates onto a 2d coordinate system there is an inevitable loss of data. But PCA plot allows you to see the whole picture at once, which is good sometimes, even if less accurate.

[Russki]

There's something wrong. K36 is perhaps overrated?


K36 is easily the best for North-Western Europeans, but for other things it can be quite messy.


K13:


https://sun9-53.userapi.com/impg/AC6LqypbG4x2Icuiwc_8AQd60r-qA-bUzz-b3Q/SzY_pOz9UCA.jpg?size=580x788&quality=95&sign=10fd18b542ba748d36a0e9b888280335&type=album



K36:


https://sun9-43.userapi.com/impg/bmG9yMApS7c15Uo835o3scT0UOqPuT3fLFXxOg/nqZy30RJdvM.jpg?size=622x783&quality=95&sign=ea374951453663f7aa0fbe9cacfcdcee&type=album

[Scandal]

K36 is easily the best for North-Western Europeans, but for other things it can be quite messy.

Other Spanish users like Gixajo should post their results here too. To see if it's a "Spaniard issue".

[Dušan]

Oracle is always more accurate than PCA plot. When you project 36 coordinates onto a 2d coordinate system there is an inevitable loss of data. But PCA plot allows you to see the whole picture at once, which is good sometimes, even if less accurate.

Even in oracle it is weird. No way Moldovan is closer to Bulgarian than to Serbian average.

Distance to: Moldovan
5.24083963 Bulgarian
6.83009517 Montenegrin
7.08103806 Romanian
8.43911725 Serb
9.04237801 North_Macedonian
10.62204312 Albanian
11.76836862 Greek
12.26656839 Bosnian
13.97524955 Croatian
14.68001022 Hungarian

[Russki]

Even in oracle it is weird. No way Moldovan is closer to Bulgarian than to Serbian average.

Distance to: Moldovan
5.24083963 Bulgarian
6.83009517 Montenegrin
7.08103806 Romanian
8.43911725 Serb
9.04237801 North_Macedonian
10.62204312 Albanian
11.76836862 Greek
12.26656839 Bosnian
13.97524955 Croatian
14.68001022 Hungarian


It is made of Southern Moldovans and should be replaced with something representative of Central Moldovans.

[Solitude]

without spain , swiss , italian

Target: result
Distance: 729.3699% / 7.29369871
61.0 Portuguese
16.4 Gambian
7.6 Karitiana
7.2 Luhya_Kenya
4.6 Dutch
2.4 Moldovan
0.8 Austrian

[djipon]

Target: DjiponK36
Distance: 8.2143% / 8.21432036 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.1 Czech
34.8 North_Macedonian
13.9 Cypriot
8.8 Ashkenazi
4.4 Sardinian

Distance to: DjiponK36
10.63753731 Bulgarian
11.06916438 North_Macedonian
11.53983102 Romanian
11.88713590 Moldovan
12.16873042 Montenegrin
12.60357489 Serb
14.85109087 Bosnian
15.19996053 Albanian
15.22949113 Croatian
15.81157487 Greek
16.08942821 Austrian
16.13220072 Hungarian
17.25642489 Slovenian
18.93103272 Italian
19.07375684 Ashkenazi
19.85861778 Czech
20.45016626 Swiss
20.67980658 Swiss_German
21.11188765 German
21.20128534 Slovak
21.61315340 Walloon
21.91382897 Maltese
22.41774743 Afrikaner
22.44385439 Belgian
22.96491237 French
=====================

Target: MomK36
Distance: 4.6694% / 4.66935574 | ADC: 0.25x RC
34.2 Moldovan
20.5 Cypriot
19.6 Polish
15.0 North_Macedonian
10.7 Czech

Distance to: MomK36
8.03151916 Bulgarian
8.07054521 Moldovan
9.06913447 Romanian
9.31502550 Montenegrin
9.37227827 Serb
9.39316241 North_Macedonian
11.64065290 Bosnian
13.18234046 Croatian
14.23675525 Hungarian
14.30054894 Albanian
14.36875778 Greek
16.11160762 Slovenian
16.26927165 Austrian
18.55177350 Ashkenazi
18.84799194 Czech
19.14719562 Italian
19.37401868 Slovak
21.16005907 German
21.17515525 Swiss
21.20604631 Maltese
21.38668043 Swiss_German
22.18465911 Ukrainian
22.72446919 Walloon
23.06338006 Afrikaner
23.35790016 Belgian
======================

Target: DadK36
Distance: 6.9713% / 6.97134192 | ADC: 0.25x RC
58.2 Bulgarian
17.8 Cypriot
12.7 Czech
5.8 Faroese
2.9 Sardinian
2.6 North_Macedonian

Distance to: DadK36
8.51901403 Bulgarian
9.96245954 Moldovan
10.28336035 Romanian
10.33395374 North_Macedonian
11.19205969 Montenegrin
11.75287624 Serb
12.29814620 Albanian
12.77718670 Greek
14.90374785 Bosnian
15.77373767 Croatian
16.59586997 Austrian
17.18481888 Italian
17.18575864 Hungarian
18.15073552 Ashkenazi
18.69464094 Slovenian
19.80626921 Maltese
20.29623364 Swiss
20.67787223 Swiss_German
21.31379600 Czech
22.01107449 Walloon
22.13258683 German
22.21761913 Swiss_Italian
22.62840472 Slovak
23.03620628 Belgian
23.35352222 Afrikaner

[oszkar07]

K36 Global

Distance to: Oszkar
8.81977324 Austrian
8.94763097 German_East
9.05288352 Croat_Gorski_Kotar
9.78921856 Hungarian
9.89631750 German_North_Bohemia
9.94028672 Slovenian
9.94663260 Austrian_Carinthia
10.33369731 Czech_Moravia
10.54075424 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
10.57440778 German_Thuringia_Central
10.60818081 German_County_Glatz
10.91769206 Czech
11.03851892 Austrian_Burgenland
11.73522049 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
11.89953360 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
12.15524167 Czech_Bohemia
12.16319448 Croat
12.23907268 German_South
12.34873678 Austrian_Styria
12.41345641 German_Hither_Pomerania
12.41738700 German_West_Bohemia
12.61534383 Afrikaner
13.02647305 Slovak
13.11536122 German_Hesse_South
13.26779183 Flemish


Target: Oszkar
Distance: 520.2995% / 5.20299455 | R4P
47.8 Walloon
32.4 Russian_Kursk
10.0 Moldovan
9.8 Faroese


Target: Oszkar
Distance: 648.8911% / 6.48891082 | ADC: 0.5x RC
43.4 Hungarian
22.4 Slovenian
19.6 Faroese
14.6 Flemish

Minus Walloon/Flemish/Faroese and German Pops
Target: Oszkar
Distance: 625.3641% / 6.25364087 | R3P
47.2 English_West-Midlands
26.6 Russian_Belgorod
26.2 Montenegrin

[Russki]

strange result

Target: result
Distance: 664.2437% / 6.64243726
46.2 Spanish
14.8 Gambian
8.4 Luhya_Kenya
8.0 Portuguese
8.0 Swiss_German
7.6 Karitiana
7.0 Italian

without spain , swiss , italian

Target: result
Distance: 729.3699% / 7.29369871
61.0 Portuguese
16.4 Gambian
7.6 Karitiana
7.2 Luhya_Kenya
4.6 Dutch
2.4 Moldovan
0.8 Austrian


Absolutely normal result in both cases assuming that your European ancestry is mostly Iberian. Kinda impressive too that it didn't give you mostly North African in "single" mode considering that it happened to Eurafricanid in G25 (he is mostly Iberian and SSA).

[Luke35]

Distance to: Mr.G
8.44608785 Austrian
10.78044062 Swiss_German
10.92221589 Hungarian
11.38835370 Swiss
11.69002566 Slovenian
11.73157705 German
12.13990527 Afrikaner
12.36014968 Croatian
12.54742603 Belgian
12.65933253 Walloon
12.74318249 Flemish
12.99811909 Montenegrin
13.32134002 French
13.52441496 Serb
13.84254312 Romanian
14.86293376 Bosnian
15.11560121 Czech
16.12467364 Bulgarian
16.13007130 English
16.26960663 British
17.09374154 Slovak
17.32766574 Dutch
17.34102938 Scottish
17.58791062 Welsh
17.97235377 Moldovan

-------------------------------------------

Target: Mr.G
Distance: 6.6102% / 6.61021325
45.4 Slovenian
12.4 Irish
12.4 Swiss_Italian
10.1 Swiss_German
6.6 Croatian
5.5 Spanish
4.4 Swiss
3.2 Portuguese

Target: Mr.G
Distance: 6.9209% / 6.92094649 | R2P
51.0 Swiss
49.0 Slovenian

--------------------------------------------

Using my mother and Hungarian in source:

Target: Mr.G
Distance: 6.1458% / 6.14583026 | R2P
51.8 Hungarian
48.2 Mr.G_mother

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG
7.24550205 Irish
7.82350305 Welsh
8.48013561 Scottish
9.47599599 British
9.77215432 English
11.15055604 Afrikaner
12.33520977 Dutch
13.06484213 German
13.51620879 Flemish
13.54387315 French
14.24833675 Belgian
14.31473018 Icelandic
15.27203654 Danish
15.76181779 Swiss_German
15.99945937 Walloon
16.67216243 Faroese
17.16945544 Norwegian
17.20595246 Swiss
17.32114892 Austrian
19.93722649 Swedish
20.30009360 Czech
20.88512389 Hungarian
20.89902629 Slovenian
22.69939427 Croatian
23.06046834 Slovak

Target: CDG
Distance: 596.1504% / 5.96150374
79.4 Irish
7.8 Portuguese
7.4 Polish
4.6 Spanish
0.8 Latvian

[nittionia]

:(

Target: nittionia
Distance: 942.2840% / 9.42283979 | R3P
52.2 Walloon
32.8 Slovenian
15.0 Welsh

[ScandinavianCelt]

Euro-only:

Target: K36.raw.Brad
Distance: 927.8169% / 9.27816945 | ADC: 2x RC
45.4 Icelandic
39.2 Norwegian
15.4 Danish

Target: K36.raw.Brad
Distance: 773.7310% / 7.73730974
45.6 Irish
39.4 Norwegian
5.0 Belarusian
5.0 Finnish
5.0 Portuguese


Global:


Target: K36.raw.Brad
Distance: 847.0893% / 8.47089324 | ADC: 2x RC
51.8 German_Frisian
42.8 Norwegian
5.4 Icelandic

Target: K36.raw.Brad
Distance: 491.4002% / 4.91400235
65.6 German_Frisian
9.8 Spanish_Cantabria
8.6 German_Lower_Silesia
6.0 Finnish_Southwest
3.4 Brahui
2.4 Irish_Ulster
2.0 Saami_Norway
1.4 Armenian_Hemsheni
0.4 Finnish_Southeast_Ingria
0.4 Karitiana

[cass]

Without regional coordinates, the results are idiotic.


Target: cass
Distance: 829.2990% / 8.29299048 | ADC: 0.5x
60.8 Czech
26.4 Polish
9.6 Estonian
3.2 Lithuanian

Target: German_East
Distance: 202.8835% / 2.02883500 | ADC: 0.5x
64.2 Czech
25.4 German
10.4 Danish


Target: German_West_Prussia
Distance: 472.8035% / 4.72803517 | ADC: 0.5x
53.6 Czech
19.0 Polish
18.0 Norwegian
8.0 Slovak
1.4 Irish

[Scandal]

Without regional coordinates, the results are idiotic.


Target: cass
Distance: 829.2990% / 8.29299048 | ADC: 0.5x
60.8 Czech
26.4 Polish
9.6 Estonian
3.2 Lithuanian

Target: German_East
Distance: 202.8835% / 2.02883500 | ADC: 0.5x
64.2 Czech
25.4 German
10.4 Danish


Target: German_West_Prussia
Distance: 472.8035% / 4.72803517 | ADC: 0.5x
53.6 Czech
19.0 Polish
18.0 Norwegian
8.0 Slovak
1.4 Irish
Can you post your distances?

[noricum]

Target: K36noricum(austrian)
Distance: 756.7920% / 7.56792040
51.2 Polish
19.2 North_Macedonian
13.8 Swiss_German
9.0 Irish
6.8 Portuguese


Target: K36noricum(austrian)
Distance: 827.0290% / 8.27028997 | ADC: 0.5x RC
43.8 Slovak
28.4 Austrian
15.0 Slovenian
12.8 Serb

Distance to: K36noricum(austrian)
8.80018182 Slovenian
9.72584701 Hungarian
9.93474710 Croatian
10.65082626 Slovak
10.81150776 Czech
12.08308322 Austrian
12.80445626 Bosnian
12.97121814 Serb
14.52833783 Montenegrin
14.60755969 German
14.87989919 Ukrainian
14.91434209 Polish
15.64234317 Romanian
17.18404493 Bulgarian
17.85725623 Afrikaner
18.08588953 Swiss_German
18.96227043 Swiss
19.18529124 Flemish
19.37209849 Belgian
19.64639407 Moldovan
19.65547761 North_Macedonian
20.03727526 Belarusian
20.05301972 Walloon
20.52399571 French
20.91787035 Dutch

[Kiel]

Distance to: Kiel
12.42375950 Austrian
12.78595714 Afrikaner
13.50852694 German
13.99985357 Swiss_German
14.27958333 Flemish
14.61860116 Belgian
14.76406787 French
15.01788267 Swiss
15.51293009 English
15.65739761 British
15.67257158 Walloon
16.09300469 Dutch
16.72725321 Hungarian
16.85946915 Scottish
16.89248946 Welsh
17.26887084 Danish
17.39930458 Czech
17.46975959 Croatian
17.48696372 Icelandic
17.56068621 Slovenian
17.93301982 Swedish
17.94445597 Irish
18.22888367 Norwegian
18.44361407 Montenegrin
18.88648194 Serb

Target: Kiel
Distance: 872.4727% / 8.72472711 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.6 French
27.2 Austrian
12.2 Ashkenazi
10.2 Swedish
9.8 Finnish

[Gergő Marosvári]

As always, I am Croatian... :D

Distance to: Gergő
10.69991589 Croatian
10.82930284 Slovenian
11.51244110 Hungarian
12.07578155 Slovak
12.41839362 Bosnian
13.31878373 Ukrainian
13.44277873 Czech
13.77054465 Serb
14.90024161 Polish
15.56984907 Montenegrin

Target: Gergő
Distance: 9.3789% / 9.37893001 | ADC: 0.25x
37.0 Slovenian
33.2 Romanian
28.9 Belarusian
0.9 Finnish

Target: Gergő
Distance: 9.9312% / 9.93123478 | ADC: 0.5x RC
53.1 Croatian
27.2 Ukrainian
19.7 Slovenian

Without the Croatian and Slovenian average and with 1x ADC:

Target: Gergő
Distance: 10.7060% / 10.70601848 | ADC: 1x
75.2 Hungarian
20.4 Ukrainian
4.4 Slovak

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop
Distance: 998.8629% / 9.98862874
56.2 Spanish
32.2 Irish
11.6 Sardinian

Target: Father
Distance: 1097.4298% / 10.97429787
93.6 Spanish
3.2 Belarusian
2.0 Sardinian
1.2 Finnish



Distance to: Gallop
12.76611139 Spanish
13.83048445 Portuguese
13.95242631 French
18.85467316 Swiss
18.98817527 Swiss_German
20.92292045 Afrikaner
21.03965779 Walloon
21.52873893 Belgian
21.91054084 Flemish
22.18197466 Swiss_Italian
22.40690295 Welsh
22.45874885 British
22.46226836 English
22.82826756 Irish
22.85136757 Scottish
23.44909593 Austrian
24.47352856 German
24.71369661 Italian
25.09547569 Dutch
25.38101062 Romanian
26.73802910 Montenegrin
26.82375440 Bulgarian
27.11840519 Serb
27.73823534 Hungarian
27.95289609 Icelandic

Distance to: Father
11.18229851 Spanish
12.10862915 Portuguese
19.40719969 French
23.60963786 Swiss_Italian
23.64592354 Swiss
24.29070604 Swiss_German
25.63131678 Italian
26.20922166 Romanian
27.42067468 Afrikaner
27.48515236 Walloon
27.71857680 Austrian
27.89865409 Serb
28.11996088 Bulgarian
28.19686153 Belgian
28.29695037 Montenegrin
28.65245888 Flemish
29.17284011 Albanian
29.82095572 Croatian
29.85874244 English
29.96533998 British
29.99636311 Moldovan
30.18618393 Hungarian
30.20990235 North_Macedonian
30.24424243 German
30.34747271 Welsh

[leachim_x]

K36 is not good for me...i have an abnormal shift from Iberian to Basque (2,4 - 7,56) which ruins it...

It can't be balanced with any population group. Not even Basque's thermself have higher Basque Region than Iberian :picard1:

Basque:Basque_France 40,75 - 33,45
Basque:Basque_Spain 37,91 - 35,14


Distance to: Micha_K36
11.20032589 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
11.60325816 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
11.90123943 German
12.09891731 German_Westphalia
12.46497894 German_Lower_Saxony_South
12.47233338 German_Northwest
12.54477581 Dutch
12.55843541 German_North_Rhine
12.56922432 Dutch_Central
12.75635920 Flemish
12.79436204 German_Schleswig-Holstein
12.79630025 Belgian
12.82961418 Dutch_South
13.30877906 German_Lower_Saxony_North
13.36475589 Walloon
13.62871968 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
13.72872536 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
13.83534965 Afrikaner
13.85358437 English_East-Midlands
13.90883892 German_Thuringia_East
14.00135708 Dutch_North
14.06149352 Austrian
14.07218888 Danish
14.17232162 English_West-Midlands
14.38220776 German_South
14.44509952 English_East
14.53158629 English_Yorkshire
14.59869857 English
14.66495141 English_Southeast
14.79142657 British
14.80577252 German_Saxony
14.92265392 German_Baden-Württemberg
14.96459488 English_Lancashire
14.99872995 English_Northeast
15.04172862 Austrian_LowerAustria
15.09474412 German_East
15.25636916 French_Normandy
15.43457158 German_Mecklenburg_West
15.57390767 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
15.67393059 Scottish_Highlands

[Russki]

It can't be balanced with any population group. Not even Basque's thermself have higher Basque Region than Iberian :picard1:


It is intentionally designed that the ethnic Basques would score more "Iberian" than "Basque". The so-called "Basque" in K36 is a very specific drift that doesn't extend greatly outside the ethnic Basques and admixed areas of France and Spain. If the so-called "Basque" component was disproportionally concentrated among the ethnic Basques, their coordinates would look like a bunch of zeroes with a single "100" in the position of the so-called "Basque" component, which would produce absurd distances between Basques and other populations when calculating them on a simple tool like Vahaduo which doesn't account for a relationship between components.

Here is a tip: don't pay attention to the labels of the components. They are arbitrary labels based on a broad association with their geographic distribution. The components could very well have no labels at all and you would get 36 anonymous numbers like you have 25 anonymous numbers in G25.

[leachim_x]

It is intentionally designed that the ethnic Basques would score more "Iberian" than "Basque". The so-called "Basque" in K36 is a very specific drift that doesn't extend greatly outside the ethnic Basques and admixed areas of France and Spain. If the so-called "Basque" component was disproportionally concentrated among the ethnic Basques, their coordinates would look like a bunch of zeroes with a single "100" in the position of the so-called "Basque" component, which would produce absurd distances between Basques and other populations when calculating them on a simple tool like Vahaduo which doesn't account for a relationship between components.

Here is a tip: don't pay attention to the labels of the components. They are arbitrary labels based on a broad association with their geographic distribution. The components could very well have no labels at all and you would get 36 anonymous numbers like you have 25 anonymous numbers in G25.

Thank you for the detailed answer. I like that you always spread the knowledge in a nice way :)
But yes, I am absolutely aware of most that you explained. I was also fully aware that some regions were very specific, some poorly delineated, some misleadingly labeled, etc. I just didn't knew the intention behind it.
I already had the awareness that these regions didn't mean everything, and also could be misleading at some point...but of course they mean something. The thing is, I viualized this results in Excel and compared them back and forth. I did a manual OLS calculation with the individual deficits and surpluses.

I just say that this exotic shift is mathematically responsable for ruining my results from ~5-6 distances to relevant groups up to 11,5 -12,5. I mean...like i said the ratio is 2,4 to 7,56. Thats like factor x3. This is very exotic. Even very rare to find in single individuals samples from ancient times. If i remember correctly i found a few Vikings and Hallstat samples with a lot of this "Basque" region values.

[Xavier727]

Target: result
Distance: 117.0235% / 1.17023504
33.6 Frisian
26.8 Lithuanian
15.4 Basque_French
15.0 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR
3.0 Kalash
2.2 BedouinB
1.4 Lezgin
1.0 Ami_Taiwan
0.8 Kakheti
0.6 Ulchi
0.2 Igorot

Target: result
Distance: 198.4041% / 1.98404149 | R5P
32.4 Lithuanian
29.2 Icelandic
24.2 Basque_French
12.0 Lezgin
2.2 BedouinB

[Scandal]

Target: result
Distance: 117.0235% / 1.17023504
33.6 Frisian
26.8 Lithuanian
15.4 Basque_French
15.0 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR
3.0 Kalash
2.2 BedouinB
1.4 Lezgin
1.0 Ami_Taiwan
0.8 Kakheti
0.6 Ulchi
0.2 Igorot

Target: result
Distance: 198.4041% / 1.98404149 | R5P
32.4 Lithuanian
29.2 Icelandic
24.2 Basque_French
12.0 Lezgin
2.2 BedouinB
What about your distances to ethnicities?

[Scandal]

K36 is not good for me...i have an abnormal shift from Iberian to Basque (2,4 - 7,56) which ruins it...

It can't be balanced with any population group. Not even Basque's thermself have higher Basque Region than Iberian :picard1:

Basque:Basque_France 40,75 - 33,45
Basque:Basque_Spain 37,91 - 35,14


Distance to: Micha_K36
11.20032589 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
11.60325816 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
11.90123943 German
12.09891731 German_Westphalia
12.46497894 German_Lower_Saxony_South
12.47233338 German_Northwest
12.54477581 Dutch
12.55843541 German_North_Rhine
12.56922432 Dutch_Central
12.75635920 Flemish
12.79436204 German_Schleswig-Holstein
12.79630025 Belgian
12.82961418 Dutch_South
13.30877906 German_Lower_Saxony_North
13.36475589 Walloon
13.62871968 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
13.72872536 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
13.83534965 Afrikaner
13.85358437 English_East-Midlands
13.90883892 German_Thuringia_East
14.00135708 Dutch_North
14.06149352 Austrian
14.07218888 Danish
14.17232162 English_West-Midlands
14.38220776 German_South
14.44509952 English_East
14.53158629 English_Yorkshire
14.59869857 English
14.66495141 English_Southeast
14.79142657 British
14.80577252 German_Saxony
14.92265392 German_Baden-Württemberg
14.96459488 English_Lancashire
14.99872995 English_Northeast
15.04172862 Austrian_LowerAustria
15.09474412 German_East
15.25636916 French_Normandy
15.43457158 German_Mecklenburg_West
15.57390767 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
15.67393059 Scottish_Highlands
A distance of 11 is not that bad imo, my smallest distance is 10.

[Rafael Passoni]

Target: me
Distance: 974.7923% / 9.74792306
37.8 Italian_Lazio
33.2 French_Corsican
19.6 Spanish_Castello
9.4 Spanish_Baleares


Target: dad
Distance: 660.8022% / 6.60802162
31.8 Italian_Lazio
24.0 French_Corsican
19.6 Spanish_Andalusia
17.8 Spanish_Cantabria
6.8 Italian_Tuscany


Target: mom
Distance: 952.1737% / 9.52173724
49.4 Italian_Tuscany
30.2 Albanian_North_Macedonia
18.6 Italian_Aosta
1.8 Swiss_Italian

Target: sibling
Distance: 1252.0664% / 12.52066381
49.4 Italian_Tuscany
31.8 Spanish_Barcelones
17.6 Italian_Lazio
1.2 French_Southwest

[leachim_x]

A distance of 11 is not that bad imo, my smallest distance is 10.

If I remember correctly i saw somewhere that you are Hungarian...
So I think that's very good. I would say that Hungarians are one of the most heterogeneous groups in Europe. I was there a lot in the 90s-00s. There are really all phenotypes, even within families. From Scandinavian, to German, to Slavic to Asian-Turkic types. I saw people that could easiely be Belgium or Italian too. I guess you are aware of that and you partly agree. That is just one impressions and there is many much to say...big topic!
(Of course i know a little bit of European + Hungarian history and the reasons for that)
But i highly suggest that the DNA breakdown of that different looking individuals is nearly as much heterogeneous as their phenotypes.

(I've been to Lake Balaton several times + to the northwest and Budapest)

Btw...this is what i was talking about:

130074
130075

I played around with many samples. + i regrouped em from NW to SE. Here i did the calculation with my "paper trail" Ancestors. Everything pretty much ok. But ~83 of my 127 distance points is due to that issue. So about 65%. It is by far the biggest deviation absolute and relative. Secondary Armenian-North Caucasus. But i think what Russki mentioned should be the reasons.

[Selene]

Distance to: Sylvanas
10.03570625 Bosnian
10.43416504 Hungarian
10.48403071 Croatian
10.95228743 Serb
11.05182790 Slovenian
12.23046606 Montenegrin
12.58592071 Slovak
14.06232555 Czech
14.06656319 Romanian
14.18867506 Bulgarian
14.71519962 Ukrainian
15.37626418 North_Macedonian
15.39897724 Moldovan
15.71961832 Austrian
15.86577133 Polish


Target: Sylvanas
Distance: 657.9715% / 6.57971454 | R3P
56.6 North_Macedonian
27.6 Polish
15.8 Latvian

[Xavier727]

What about your distances to ethnicities?

Distance to: result
4.60976138 North_European
4.68843257 English
4.90079585 Dutch
5.26459875 Irish
5.70630353 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR
5.70632982 CEU
5.71480533 Frisian
5.75189534 Icelandic
5.87314226 Belgian
6.11821052 Norwegian_East
6.65010526 Norwegian_West
6.70607933 British
6.79077315 South_German
6.88405404 Orcadian
6.92137270 Welsh
6.93181794 English_Kent_GBR
7.33270073 English_Cornwall_GBR
7.66735939 North_German
7.68131499 Dane
8.27815801 German-Volga
8.46610300 Swede
10.97801439 Austrian
11.11418463 Swede_Saami
13.08478506 German_East
13.89112666 French

[Scandal]

If I remember correctly i saw somewhere that you are Hungarian...
So I think that's very good. I would say that Hungarians are one of the most heterogeneous groups in Europe. I was there a lot in the 90s-00s. There are really all phenotypes, even within families. From Scandinavian, to German, to Slavic to Asian-Turkic types. I saw people that could easiely be Belgium or Italian too. I guess you are aware of that and you partly agree. That is just one impressions and there is many much to say...big topic!
(Of course i know a little bit of European + Hungarian history and the reasons for that)
But i highly suggest that the DNA breakdown of that different looking individuals is nearly as much heterogeneous as their phenotypes.

(I've been to Lake Balaton several times + to the northwest and Budapest)

Btw...this is what i was talking about:

130074
130075

I played around with many samples. + i regrouped em from NW to SE. Here i did the calculation with my "paper trail" Ancestors. Everything pretty much ok. But ~83 of my 127 distance points is due to that issue. So about 65%. It is by far the biggest deviation absolute and relative. Secondary Armenian-North Caucasus. But i think what Russki mentioned should be the reasons.
Do you have some Ungarndeutsche / Donauschwabe ancestry?

I am from Hungary. I am half Hungarian half Slovak actually, I am proud of my Slovak ancestry but most of the time I just say I am Hungarian for practical purposes. My Slovak ancestry is from Hungary, not from Slovakia so my case is special.

I think some people exaggerate the diversity of Hungarians, yes you can find various looks amoung us, but I'd say 80-90% of Hungarians have a Hungarian look, the rest may deviate in one direction or another. I'd describe Hungarians as "central-slavic" ethnicity that is racially in between Slovaks/Czechs and Croats/Bosniaks/Serbs + some Romanian/Bulgarian influence is there too.

[cass]

Can you post your distances?


Distance to: cass
9.77935581 Slovak
9.98626056 Czech
10.45963192 Polish
11.51624505 Ukrainian
13.62215475 Slovenian
13.89884528 Belarusian
15.13979194 Croatian
15.37143455 Russian
15.64455816 Hungarian
17.79911796 Bosnian
19.43804260 German
19.47707370 Lithuanian
19.57465198 Austrian
19.78907780 Latvian
20.26908977 Estonian
20.78871809 Swedish
20.87918581 Serb
22.36101742 Danish
22.70653650 Norwegian
23.29760717 Montenegrin
23.55704353 Afrikaner
23.64782865 Romanian
23.76923011 Icelandic
24.38586066 Dutch
25.48303750 English


https://i.ibb.co/HnBgz4s/pca-k36.jpg (https://ibb.co/QrpmNQR)

https://i.ibb.co/cw8qxdg/k36mapa.jpg (https://ibb.co/hcd0Cv7)

[Scandal]

Distance to: cass
9.77935581 Slovak
9.98626056 Czech
10.45963192 Polish
11.51624505 Ukrainian
13.62215475 Slovenian
13.89884528 Belarusian
15.13979194 Croatian
15.37143455 Russian
15.64455816 Hungarian
17.79911796 Bosnian
19.43804260 German
19.47707370 Lithuanian
19.57465198 Austrian
19.78907780 Latvian
20.26908977 Estonian
20.78871809 Swedish
20.87918581 Serb
22.36101742 Danish
22.70653650 Norwegian
23.29760717 Montenegrin
23.55704353 Afrikaner
23.64782865 Romanian
23.76923011 Icelandic
24.38586066 Dutch
25.48303750 English


https://i.ibb.co/HnBgz4s/pca-k36.jpg (https://ibb.co/QrpmNQR)
Dzieki

[leachim_x]

Do you have some Ungarndeutsche / Donauschwabe ancestry?

No, not at all. 1 Grandparent from the Black Forest Region...3 Westphalia / Ruhr Area.
I made a "map". Actually i was working on a heatmap...but i failed^^
130090


I am from Hungary. I am half Hungarian half Slovak actually, I am proud of my Slovak ancestry but most of the time I just say I am Hungarian for practical purposes. My Slovak ancestry is from Hungary, not from Slovakia so my case is special.

I think some people exaggerate the diversity of Hungarians, yes you can find various looks amoung us, but I'd say 80-90% of Hungarians have a Hungarian look, the rest may deviate in one direction or another. I'd describe Hungarians as "central-slavic" ethnicity that is racially in between Slovaks/Czechs and Croats/Bosniaks/Serbs + some Romanian/Bulgarian influence is there too.

Intereseting. From which region are you from?
From my impressions, i would say the most prominent phenotype had way less "sharp" slavic features than most of the Polish / Russian Aussiedler or even some Croatians i saw in Germany. Like 80% Halstatt with just a little bit edgier features here and there. Slightly longer face and narrow jaw...just 1-2 slightly more sharper lines than CEU, but medium blonde and hazel eyed. That Type made about ~40%...same type with darker hair maybe 10-15%. Tataric + Turkic type: 15%. Typical Central European: 20-22%. Very Nordish Type 1-3%, Southern European 10-12%.

I also recognized that much people had either German first or surnames, people used German and Asutrian leanwords, and ofc Névnap is more important than birthday^^
But my impressions are limited to: Balatonfüred, Balatonszőlős, Tihany region and little bit Igal and Sopron. I didn't remember Budapest very well...i was shocked.

[Scandal]

No, not at all. 1 Grandparent from the Black Forest Region...3 Westphalia / Ruhr Area.
I made a "map". Actually i was working on a heatmap...but i failed^^
130090



Intereseting. From which region are you from?
From my impressions, i would say the most prominent phenotype had way less "sharp" slavic features than most of the Polish / Russian Aussiedler or even some Croatians i saw in Germany. Like 80% Halstatt with just a little bit edgier features here and there. Slightly longer face and narrow jaw...just 1-2 slightly more sharper lines than CEU, but medium blonde and hazel eyed. That Type made about ~40%...same type with darker hair maybe 10-15%. Tataric + Turkic type: 15%. Typical Central European: 20-22%. Very Nordish Type 1-3%, Southern European 10-12%.

I also recognized that much people had either German first or surnames, people used German and Asutrian leanwords, and ofc Névnap is more important than birthday^^
But my impressions are limited to: Balatonfüred, Balatonszőlős, Tihany region and little bit Igal and Sopron.
My recent ancestors are from Bács-kiskun and Békés.
German ancestry is found in western parts of the country and Budapest mostly, there is less german dna in eastern part.
Some Hungarian words of German origin: https://nemetguru.de/mar-tudsz-nemetul/ (you need to scrolll down to the middle of the page, there is a table)

didn't remember Budapest very well...i was shocked.
What do you mean?

[leachim_x]

I know the old farmer guys and locals called servus for either hello and also goodbye. Also they used egal for "it is the same". But the actual usage is more like "i don't care / it makes no difference"

What do you mean?
I saw trick scammers and robbers, much dirt and poverty alleys pretty much next to luxus, high society buildings. And some little children with chopped off fingers so they are more effient baggers.

[Thracian]

For fun. Added Turkish Kayseri.

Distance to: Thracian
11.32174898 Bulgarian
12.01681322 Moldovan
12.55542910 North_Macedonian
12.80846595 Albanian
12.98337783 Greek
14.02485294 Romanian
14.61361694 Montenegrin
16.16507037 Serb
17.12073597 Italian
18.37341014 Ashkenazi
19.48961518 Austrian
19.57870016 Maltese
19.64312348 Bosnian
20.18056491 Croatian
21.06793535 Hungarian
21.45840395 Swiss
21.95134620 Swiss_German
22.42480100 Turkish_Kayseri
22.60909551 Swiss_Italian
23.13541441 Slovenian
23.35242172 Walloon
24.49444019 Belgian
24.95618160 German
25.13851626 Afrikaner
25.17633810 Flemish

Target: Thracian
Distance: 8.2024% / 8.20239240 | ADC: 0.5x RC
42.8 Bulgarian
27.5 Turkish_Kayseri
15.2 Albanian
14.5 Walloon

Distance to: Thracian
8.76038807 74.20% Bulgarian + 25.80% Turkish_Kayseri
9.49594956 73.40% Moldovan + 26.60% Turkish_Kayseri
9.60305154 66.40% Romanian + 33.60% Turkish_Kayseri
9.65620329 64.80% Montenegrin + 35.20% Turkish_Kayseri
9.92412682 54.60% Austrian + 45.40% Turkish_Kayseri
10.11218289 72.80% North_Macedonian + 27.20% Turkish_Kayseri
10.51236798 64.40% Bulgarian + 35.60% Greek
10.54604376 86.20% Bulgarian + 13.80% Cypriot
10.55493967 61.80% Serb + 38.20% Turkish_Kayseri
10.61469014 80.60% Bulgarian + 19.40% Maltese
10.63516801 20.60% Ashkenazi + 79.40% Bulgarian
10.65331586 51.40% Swiss + 48.60% Turkish_Kayseri
10.73493877 50.60% Swiss_German + 49.40% Turkish_Kayseri
10.80294863 33.00% Albanian + 67.00% Bulgarian
10.83197074 74.20% Albanian + 25.80% Turkish_Kayseri
10.87762468 18.20% Faroese + 81.80% Greek
10.89324849 30.40% Austrian + 69.60% Greek
10.94090235 23.00% Czech + 77.00% Greek
10.99128600 41.20% Greek + 58.80% Moldovan
11.05297529 23.40% German + 76.60% Greek
11.05341171 84.20% Bulgarian + 15.80% Italian
11.06836495 80.60% Greek + 19.40% Scottish
11.08250077 82.00% Greek + 18.00% Icelandic
11.10414044 83.20% Albanian + 16.80% Faroese
11.11404893 81.60% Greek + 18.40% Irish