Classify Spanish Footaball team from Pontevedra

[Valenman]

All players are native, the majority are Galician
https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484584/picture/de2071f8-eed8-469b-aacc-5f30cb00abb7.medium.jpg
https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484583/picture/d4c5929b-6587-437a-930f-11fe8753a3e8.medium.jpg
https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484585/picture/0679c99e-1f45-4fe1-a13e-f1963ed67020.medium.jpg
https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484586/picture/1e165177-a83b-4652-b98a-7bc8c493ac9d.medium.jpg
https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484587/picture/e352008e-51f2-4735-be72-ff70c6f05a37.medium.jpg
https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484588/picture/7339772a-0673-47ab-87ff-8c32d0f089fe.medium.jpg
https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484589/picture/0d45c841-9848-43b5-9129-797f5a2d9366.medium.jpg
https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484590/picture/cae510e8-b5bd-4830-a28a-a0a85e92f4da.medium.jpg
https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484592/picture/19ca3777-df00-4a73-b567-588329ee4dfe.medium.jpg
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https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484602/picture/d3866518-8830-4991-a837-65692192d71d.medium.jpg
https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484604/picture/bc985716-94fb-49ac-9b99-403dd23e974a.medium.jpg
https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484613/picture/612f8606-49d1-4995-a406-be9e532750ca.medium.jpg
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[Oliver109]

Very dark for "Celts" mainly gracile meds

[ecptr]

All Meds except one Cromagnon guy

https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484586/picture/1e165177-a83b-4652-b98a-7bc8c493ac9d.medium.jpg

[Oliver109]

All Meds except one Cromagnon guy

https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484586/picture/1e165177-a83b-4652-b98a-7bc8c493ac9d.medium.jpg

He is mainly Med too

[Xacal]

Atlanto-Med + Berid
Atlanto-Med
Euroafricanid
Norid
Atlanto-Med
Gracile Med + Berid
Atlantid + Baskid
Atlanto-Med
Atlantid + Brunn
Atlanto-Med
South Med
Atlantid
Atlanto-Med + CM
North Atlantid

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Very dark for "Celts" mainly gracile meds

There is no "Celtic" phenotype unless you're talking about the original Celts in Central Europe where the culture developed (which you know nothing about).

btw, why won't you take my bet? If those Balkans war criminals you posted look British why do you lack the confidence to take my bet?

[Abaddon]

Very dark for "Celts" mainly gracile meds

There's no such thing as "celt" phenotype.

[Ketchup]

7 and 9 look kinda Irish to me idk

[Valenman]

7 and 9 look kinda Irish to me idk

Number 9 seems completely guirri to me, I would never think it was Spanish, but 7 does seem more or less typical

[Eurafricanid]

1- Atlanto-Med + Berid.
2- Atlanto-Med + Paleo Atlantid (Darker(?) variety).
3- Atanto-Med.
4- Norid (Dinarid influence).
5- Atlanto-Med + minor Gracile Med.
6- Gracile Med.
7- Baskid + Nordo-Med.
8- Atlanto-Med.
9- Nordo-Med + Brünn.
10- Atlanto-Med + Gracile Med.
11- Transmed + Gracile Med.
12- Tronder + Atlanto-Med.
13- North Atlantid.
14- Atlanto-Med + minor Paleo Atlantid.

Some combination examples:

Atlanto-Med + Paleo Atlantid:
https://i.imgur.com/YmlHpth.png


Atlanto-Med + Gracile Med:
https://i.imgur.com/dBaeWJD.png

[Eurafricanid]

Number 9 seems completely guirri to me, I would never think it was Spanish, but 7 does seem more or less typical

Really? Interesting... He looks A LOT like my dad, though! Here's another photo of him:

https://www.lapreferente.com/imagenes/jugadores/20172018/134033.jpg?f=20210318%2006:25:48

[Guthrie]

1. Atlanto-Med
2. Tanned Atlanto-Med + Baskid
3. Atlanto-Med
4. Norid + Alpinid, but it's probably Baskid instead of Dinarid
5. Paleo-Sardinian or Berid ?
6. Paleo-Sardinian
7. Atlantid, minor KN
8. Gracile Med
9. Brunn + Atlantid + Hallstat, similar phenotype to Dani Olmo's
10. Atlanto-Med
11. South Med, looks Morrocan, and would look even if he were less tanned
12. Atlantid
13. North Atlantid + Gracile Med, or Gracilized NA
14. Alpine-Med

[omidjahan]

swarthy and some of them looks levante!

[Valenman]

Really? Interesting... He looks A LOT like my dad, though! Here's another photo of him:

https://www.lapreferente.com/imagenes/jugadores/20172018/134033.jpg?f=20210318%2006:25:48
Youre father are full Euro?

[Abaddon]

Number 9 seems completely guirri to me, I would never think it was Spanish, but 7 does seem more or less typical

Does 11 look native to your country?

[Valenman]

Does 11 look native to your country?

The truth is that not much, I wouldn't think he's Spanish either, but since he had two very Galician surnames I added, he is quite atypical, he and the number 9, they don't seem Spanish to me, but I do know some Spanish guys with similar features

[Abaddon]

The truth is that not much, I wouldn't think he's Spanish either, but since he had two very Galician surnames I added, he is quite atypical, he and the number 9, they don't seem Spanish to me, but I do know some Spanish guys with similar features

Though he is the only guy who truly looks non-spanish, even non-european, i doubt he is fully spanish.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Though he is the only guy who truly looks non-spanish, even non-european, i doubt he is fully spanish.

Both players, be it number 9 or number 11 are completely native looking, in a non-ambiguous way. I recommend that you seek the opinion of those who live on the peninsula and not of Indians, Afghans and Iranians with complexes, mostly behind an account pretending to be Europeans. They are not even remotely familiar with the what Spaniards look like, starting with Valenman (doubtfully a native himself) who wasn't even able to include all the Spanish players in the squad because he probably doesn't even know how to distinguish native names and surnames from foreign ones.

[Abaddon]

Both players, be it number 9 or number 11 are completely native looking, in a non-ambiguous way. I recommend that you seek the opinion of those who live on the peninsula and not of Indians, Afghans and Iranians with complexes, mostly behind an account pretending to be Europeans. They are not even remotely familiar with the what Spaniards look like, starting with Valenman (doubtfully a native himself) who wasn't even able to include all the Spanish players in the squad because he probably doesn't even know how to distinguish native names and surnames from foreign ones.

If Valenman isnt a native Spaniard himself, then he's disguising it very well...

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

If Valenman isnt a native Spaniard himself, then he's disguising it very well...

Perhaps for people who aren't from the peninsula. Which includes you too.

[Valenman]

Both players, be it number 9 or number 11 are completely native looking, in a non-ambiguous way. I recommend that you seek the opinion of those who live on the peninsula and not of Indians, Afghans and Iranians with complexes, mostly behind an account pretending to be Europeans. They are not even remotely familiar with the what Spaniards look like, starting with Valenman (doubtfully a native himself) who wasn't even able to include all the Spanish players in the squad because he probably doesn't even know how to distinguish native names and surnames from foreign ones.

Yo busque todos apellidos son nativos,y en caso de presisamente de jugador 9 y 11 de origen gallego+Españoles de distintas partes tienen apellidos distintos sobre todo de valencia,baleares,Cataluña Vascogadas y galicia,En Portugal la diferencia entre regiones no es muy grande en este sentido+yo intento no incluir jugadores con rasgos muy "Spice" porque precisamente van a venir por ejemplo Gallop o Maria a decir que son pancho-gitanos y Un par de usuarios mas diciendo que pasan en Iran en mexico y no se donde mas.Y admitelo el numero 9 y 11 no son tipicos,Obiamente existen pero no son comunes.

[Oliver109]

Yo busque todos apellidos son nativos,y en caso de presisamente de jugador 9 y 11 de origen gallego+Españoles de distaintas partes tienen apellidos distintos sobre todo de valencia,baleares,Cataluña Vascogadas y galicia,En Portugal la diferencia entre regiones no es muy grande en esta sentido+yo intento no incluir jugadores con rasgos muy "Spice" porque precisamente van a venir por ejemplo Gallop o Maria a decir que son pancho-gitanos y Un par de usuarios mas diciendo que pasan en Iran en mexico y no se donde mas.Y admitelo el numero 9 y 11 no son tipicos,Obiamente existen pero no son comunes.

You post more dark Spaniards than i do which does make you a bit suspect, i tend to post Spaniards from areas where i can be confident the majority are mainly Spanish.

[Valenman]

You post more dark Spaniards than i do which does make you a bit suspect, i tend to post Spaniards from areas where i can be confident the majority are mainly Spanish.

If a person who was born anywhere in Spain outside of Andalusia and very large cities before the years 1995-2000 already has a 98% guarantee that they are ethnic Spanish in the vast majority of cases.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Yo busque todos apellidos son nativos,y en caso de presisamente de jugador 9 y 11 de origen gallego+Españoles de distintas partes tienen apellidos distintos sobre todo de valencia,baleares,Cataluña Vascogadas y galicia,En Portugal la diferencia entre regiones no es muy grande en este sentido+yo intento no incluir jugadores con rasgos muy "Spice" porque precisamente van a venir por ejemplo Gallop o Maria a decir que son pancho-gitanos y Un par de usuarios mas diciendo que pasan en Iran en mexico y no se donde mas.Y admitelo el numero 9 y 11 no son tipicos,Obiamente existen pero no son comunes.

Sim? Algum motivo para não teres incluído o Carlos López Vilasánchez por exemplo? As diferenças regionais em Espanha Continental são exactamente como em Portugal, mínimas. O número 9 e 11 são completamente normais, só um Sul Americano a fazer passar-se por Espanhol como presumo que seja o teu caso é capaz de dizer que alguém minimamente mais claro ou ligeiramente mais moreno é atípico, independentemente das feições serem completamente típicas em Espanha. É que nenhum dos dois jogadores estão no espectro dos indivíduos mais claros ou mais exóticos que existem em Espanha e ninguém iria pensar que são estrangeiros.

[Oliver109]

If a person who was born anywhere in Spain outside of Andalusia and very large cities before the years 1995-2000 already has a 98% guarantee that they are ethnic Spanish in the vast majority of cases.

not at all, don't forget there are the gypsies and also Latin American migrants who may have arrived in the 70s, 80s.

[Valenman]

Sim? Algum motivo para não teres incluído o Carlos López Vilasánchez por exemplo? As diferenças regionais em Espanha Continental são exactamente como em Portugal, mínimas. O número 9 e 11 são completamente normais, só um Sul Americano a fazer passar-se por Espanhol como presumo que seja o teu caso é capaz de dizer que alguém minimamente mais claro ou ligeiramente mais moreno é atípico, independentemente das feições serem completamente típicas em Espanha. É que nenhum dos dois jogadores estão no espectro dos indivíduos mais claros ou mais exóticos que existem em Espanha e ninguém iria pensar que são estrangeiros.
Não estou a falar de Traços, estou a falar de apelidos, porque há alguns apelidos que só existem em 1 ou 2 Províncias de Espanha e nas restantes não, que eu saiba, não é assim. Talvez eu esteja errado.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

not at all, don't forget there are the gypsies and also Latin American migrants who may have arrived in the 70s, 80s.

There were barely any Latin Americans in Spain in the 70s and 80s. That began in the 90s.

Also, as Valenman was obviously telling you but you're an idiot, gypsies live mostly in Andalusia and large cities.

[Valenman]

not at all, don't forget there are the gypsies and also Latin American migrants who may have arrived in the 70s, 80s.

Before 1990, 2/3 of foreigners were from Europe or Spaniards born outside of Spain and were 2% of the population, in addition, the vast majority lived in large cities such as Madrid, Barcelona and Malaga+Gypsies, the vast majority live in large cities and in Andalusia, in the rest of Spain they did not reach 2 or 3% in any province more likely.

[mariavazq]

As usual, you are a clickbate-loving fake troll provocateur. I have bothered to look for some of the darker players, at least 3 are not Galician, they are from Seville, Merida and Madrid, probably gypsy ancestry.
On the other hand, as usual, you look for the darkest and poorest quality photos possible.
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[Oliver109]

There were barely any Latin Americans in Spain in the 70s and 80s. That began in the 90s.

Also, as Valenman was obviously telling you but you're an idiot, gypsies live mostly in Andalusia and large cities.

Valenman doesn't even post all locals though, i post from small towns in Spain that are invariably 90% or more Spanish.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

As usual, you are a clickbate-loving fake troll provocateur. I have bothered to look for some of the darker players, at least 3 are not Galician, they are from Seville, Merida and Madrid, probably gypsy ancestry.
On the other hand, as usual, you look for the darkest and poorest quality photos possible.
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If I only read mariavazq posts I'd think half of the population of Spain was Gypsy or Latin American. Are you related to Gallop?

[Valenman]

As usual, you are a clickbate-loving fake troll provocateur. I have bothered to look for some of the darker players, at least 3 are not Galician, they are from Seville, Merida and Madrid, probably gypsy ancestry.
On the other hand, as usual, you look for the darkest and poorest quality photos possible.
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1-I put the majority are Galician, not all
2-The photos are taken from the official team page
3-The only one who passes for a gypsy is Number 11 and he probably isn't either, the rest are normal and ordinary Spaniards/Europeans phenos

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I don't see anything wrong with Valenman's posting history. You're all just weird.

[Abaddon]

Perhaps for people who aren't from the peninsula. Which includes you too.

For everyone who doesnt log here everyday, including me.

[mariavazq]

No, they are not ethnic spaniards. You are a fake troll provocateur. Shame on you.
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[Odelia]

There were barely any Latin Americans in Spain in the 70s and 80s. That began in the 90s.

Also, as Valenman was obviously telling you but you're an idiot, gypsies live mostly in Andalusia and large cities.
You're still stealing oxygen, Moor?

[Abaddon]

You're still stealing oxygen, Moor?

You again...?

[Odelia]

You again...?
Yes. This guy's trolling has become unhinged. There are so many good people permabanned here and he is still around. Its fucking disgraceful.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

You're still stealing oxygen, Moor?

https://images.nightcafe.studio/jobs/LjwaOcrjmohfxIzNfkE1/LjwaOcrjmohfxIzNfkE1.jpg?tr=w-1600,c-at_max

A year ago you said I was a Finn, then I was Brazilian, and now I'm a Moor. You will always be barren in mind, body, and soul.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Yes. This guy's trolling has become unhinged. There are so many good people permabanned here and he is still around. Its fucking disgraceful.

This woman is insane. I'd like to remind everyone this woman thinks I'm a Brazilian poster who has been banned many times. That Brazilian poster and I have drastically different views but this cumbucket can't tell the difference. She's got it in her head I'm that poster and that is her reality. She also thought I was a Finnish poster prior to that.

Dumb and worthless.

[Oliver109]

This woman is insane. I'd like to remind everyone this woman thinks I'm a Brazilian poster who has been banned many times. That Brazilian poster and I have drastically different views but this cumbucket can't tell the difference. She's got it in her head I'm that poster and that is her reality. She also thought I was a Finnish poster prior to that.

Dumb and worthless.

You sound like an American but you seem to know more about Spain and the Spanish than is normal for them.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

You sound like an American but you seem to know more about Spain and the Spanish than is normal for them.

I'll tell you my secret: I read. I read a lot.

[Oliver109]

I'll tell you my secret: I read. I read a lot.

Thats good but you seem to have missed out what some of the key anthropologists have said about phenotypes.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Thats good but you seem to have missed out what some of the key anthropologists have said about phenotypes.

Last time you said that you posted a quote by Coon you misrepresented, remember? Or I should say you once again revealed you're illiterate.

There is a reason no one takes you seriously. Try with a straight virtual face to tell me you're not considered a moron on this forum. I can't think of one person who has any respect for your intelligence.

[Oliver109]

Last time you said that you posted a quote by Coon you misrepresented, remember? Or I should say you once again revealed you're illiterate.

There is a reason no one takes you seriously. Try with a straight virtual face to tell me you're not considered a moron on this forum. I can't think of one person who has any respect for your intelligence.

No i simply quoted what Coon said about a phenotype and it's possible origin and distribution, i am one of the least biased posters here and i always use research and findings to back up what i post.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

No i simply quoted what Coon said about a phenotype and it's possible origin and distribution,

Yes, you misrepresented what he said. I specifically went over it. Do you want to try it again? Go ahead and make a thread about that quote. I'll post what I said in response and we can let everyone tell you how you misrepresented what was said.


i am one of the least biased posters here and i always use research and findings to back up what i post.

You're one of the dumber posters and because you are dumb you often don't understand what you read. You're also too stupid to decipher pseudo-science from actual science. Your understanding of population genetics is hilariously bad. In fact, you rarely talk about population genetics because I think you feel lost. You prefer pseudo-science (and yet even then you fail and hence why you misrepresent or it's question of your illiteracy).

[Oliver109]

Yes, you misrepresented what he said. I specifically went over it. Do you want to try it again? Go ahead and make a thread about that quote. I'll post what I said in response and we can let everyone tell you how you misrepresented what was said.



You're one of the dumber posters and because you are dumb you often don't understand what you read. You're also too stupid to decipher pseudo-science from actual science. Your understanding of population genetics is hilariously bad. In fact, you rarely talk about population genetics because I think you feel lost. You prefer pseudo-science (and yet even then you fail and hence why you misrepresent or it's question of your illiteracy).

I said that Coon said that Alpines in France have an ethnic relation with the Tajiks, something pretty straightforward really, genetics is the go to place for pretty much every racial scientist now because they are too scared to talk about race, All genetics tells us though is that population A lived in area B at a certain time, it doesn't really say a lot about race.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I said that Coon said that Alpines in France have an ethnic relation with the Tajiks, something pretty straightforward

He said 'probably,' which means one thinks so but can't be 100% certain.

That is very different than saying it is the case.

And how did Coon come to this conclusion? If I recall correctly, similar metrics. That means nothing and is proven to mean nothing in that there is no genetic tie to 'Alpines' in France (which would be a subset of Frenchmen).



really, genetics is the go to place for pretty much every racial scientist now because they are too scared to talk about race, All genetics tells us though is that population A lived in area B at a certain time, it doesn't really say a lot about race.

Population genetics tells us the relationship between groups. You can call it race, widgets, or just populations. The point is this is HARD SCIENCE. Whether people talk about race or not is irrelevant to the genetic data.

FACT: Tajiks are not genetically related to a subset of Frenchmen called Alpines.

Shut the fuck up already.

[Oliver109]

He said 'probably,' which means one thinks so but can't be 100% certain.

That is very different than saying it is the case.

And how did Coon come to this conclusion? If I recall correctly, similar metrics. That means nothing and is proven to mean nothing in that there is no genetic tie to 'Alpines' in France (which would be a subset of Frenchmen).




Population genetics tells us the relationship between groups. You can call it race, widgets, or just populations. The point is this is HARD SCIENCE. Whether people talk about race or not is irrelevant to the genetic data.

FACT: Tajiks are not genetically related to a subset of Frenchmen called Alpines.

Shut the fuck up already.

We are talking about metrics here and the truth is that certain French are much closer in metrics to Tajiks than they are to Somalians or Filipinos, it's quite obvious and even when it comes to genetics there is evidence of Y Haplogroup R being present in central Asia and indeed in France and western Europe but obviously genetics doesn't tell us much about metrics, body strength, hair structure etc.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

We are talking about metrics here and the truth is that certain French are much closer in metrics to Tajiks than they are to Somalians or Filipinos, it's quite obvious and even when it comes to genetics there is evidence of Y Haplogroup R being present in central Asia and indeed in France and western Europe....

You're just unbelievably stupid.

You reference metrics to argue a relationship between two populations without understanding that a relationship between populations doesn't exist unless there is a genetic relationship. Body metrics is very dependent on the local environment (genes interact with our environment).

You talk about Haplogrouos like it's 2006. Do you understand -- you moronic fool - that we're made up of many genes? Do you not understand that we can compare whole populations with each other? Compare Tajiks with Frenchmen. Under your retarded reasoning we should expect 'Alpines' from France to cluster with Tajiks but no Frenchman does and nor the reverse.


but obviously genetics doesn't tell us much about metrics, body strength, hair structure etc.

This is so shocking that I actually stared for more than a minute. However, this does explain why you do not understand how evolution works. It's clear the English education system has failed.

[andrzej]

Most Tajiks share more than half of their DNA with French people and many of them can look similar to Atlanto-Meds:

https://live.staticflickr.com/4676/38925708514_95c61154f6_b.jpg

It may be a weird comparison, and if anything Tajiks have more similarities with certain East Euros, but acting like Tajiks are some foreign super distinct race from the rest of Europe - also doesn't make sense. The fact is that they share DNA with French people and there are phenotypes that overlap between the two groups.

Coon and all are outdated and verge on pseudo-science, but at the same time genetics doesn't tell you a lot about race/phenotype like Oliver said, especially in people as mixed as west Eurasians (which both Tajiks and French people are).

[Oliver109]

You're just unbelievably stupid.

You reference metrics to argue a relationship between two populations without understanding that a relationship between populations doesn't exist unless there is a genetic relationship. Body metrics is very dependent on the local environment (genes interact with our environment).

You talk about Haplogrouos like it's 2006. Do you understand -- you moronic fool - that we're made up of many genes? Do you not understand that we can compare whole populations with each other? Compare Tajiks with Frenchmen. Under your retarded reasoning we should expect 'Alpines' from France to cluster with Tajiks but no Frenchman does and nor the reverse.



This is so shocking that I actually stared for more than a minute. However, this does explain why you do not understand how evolution works. It's clear the English education system has failed.

Metrics does have something to do with environment that is correct but there are still factors that mean that some populations show similar traits with other populations, in the case of the alpines it is medium brown or dark brown hair and mixed or brown eyes as opposed to the solid black pigment of Mongoloids in eastern Asia. the alpines of Iran, Tajikistan and Syria are closer to the French genetically than are say the Tibetans or Punjabis so there is obviously a closer genetic link.

[Valenman]

My goodness, I only published photos of some soccer players from Pontevedra, and they have already come to know if they are typical or atypical, if half of the players are gypsy-Latinos, if Anthropology is science or pseudoscience, genetics of the people of Tajikistan, etc. ..

[Abaddon]

]It may be a weird comparison, and if anything Tajiks have more similarities with certain East Euros, but acting like Tajiks are some foreign super distinct race from the rest of Europe - also doesn't make sense. The fact is that they share DNA with French people and there are phenotypes that overlap between the two groups.

Not only Tajiks, but almost every modern West Eurasian population, including north africans who have half of their deep ancestry from neolithic input.

[Ketchup]

Not only Tajiks, but almost every modern West Eurasian population, including north africans who have half of their deep ancestry from neolithic input.

North Africans are very different. They have recent Negroid admixture from Subsaharan Africa along with ancient Negroid baked into the North African neolithic/Iberomarusian component. 1/3rd of Iberomarusuians was Negroid.

https://www.science.org/content/article/oldest-dna-africa-offers-clues-mysterious-ancient-culture#:~:text=Instead%2C%20the%20ancient%20Ibero maurusians%20appear,were%20most%20closely%20relate d%20to

[Valenman]

North Africans are very different. They have recent Negroid admixture from Subsaharan Africa along with ancient Negroid baked into the North African neolithic/Iberomarusian component. 1/3rd of Iberomarusuians was Negroid.

https://www.science.org/content/article/oldest-dna-africa-offers-clues-mysterious-ancient-culture#:~:text=Instead%2C%20the%20ancient%20Ibero maurusians%20appear,were%20most%20closely%20relate d%20to

Whether someone has Negroid/Asian ancestry is very debatable, but the races as such have only formed 3-4 thousand years ago. For example, Haplogroups R1a and R1B are of Asian origin, but in the case of R1a they are mainly found in the Northeast of Europe,North India,Kirzistan
R1b is more concentrated in the Russian Urals, Western Europe, Armenia and Central Africa around Lake Chad.

[Abaddon]

ancient Negroid baked into the North African neolithic/Iberomarusian component. 1/3rd of Iberomarusuians was Negroid.
There's no geral consensus about the genetic profile of Taforalt/Iberomaurusian except for their Dzudzuana/West Eurasian portion, hence why you'll find some articles mentioning "ANA" instead of SSA/Negroid.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Most Tajiks share more than half of their DNA with French people and many of them can look similar to Atlanto-Meds:

https://live.staticflickr.com/4676/38925708514_95c61154f6_b.jpg

It may be a weird comparison, and if anything Tajiks have more similarities with certain East Euros, but acting like Tajiks are some foreign super distinct race from the rest of Europe - also doesn't make sense. The fact is that they share DNA with French people and there are phenotypes that overlap between the two groups.

Coon and all are outdated and verge on pseudo-science, but at the same time genetics doesn't tell you a lot about race/phenotype like Oliver said, especially in people as mixed as west Eurasians (which both Tajiks and French people are).

Are you going to claim that there is a relationship between Tajiks and a subset of Frenchmen referred to as 'Alpine' based on metrics?

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Metrics does have something to do with environment that is correct but there are still factors that mean that some populations show similar traits with other populations, in the case of the alpines it is medium brown or dark brown hair and mixed or brown eyes as opposed to the solid black pigment of Mongoloids in eastern Asia. the alpines of Iran, Tajikistan and Syria are closer to the French genetically than are say the Tibetans or Punjabis so there is obviously a closer genetic link.

I don't have the patience anymore. You will never understand. I'll just make fun when you say stupid shit (which is pretty much every other day).

Speaking of saying stupid shit: grow some balls and take my bet. If you're so confident that those Balkanoid war criminals look British, then take my bet.

[Mortimer]

A few really look arabic for native europeans

[interes]

Very dark for "Celts" mainly gracile meds

they look like arabs than celts

[Oliver109]

Lol, Galician people according to popular culture
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2022/08/8-25-22-Celtic-Park.jpg
https://www.liligo.co.uk/travel-magazine/wp-content/uploads/sites/46/2015/11/readhead2.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/B11BP1/scottish-piper-female-football-fan-playing-bagpipes-to-excited-crowd-B11BP1.jpg

[interes]

Lol, Galician people according to popular culture
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2022/08/8-25-22-Celtic-Park.jpg
https://www.liligo.co.uk/travel-magazine/wp-content/uploads/sites/46/2015/11/readhead2.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/B11BP1/scottish-piper-female-football-fan-playing-bagpipes-to-excited-crowd-B11BP1.jpg

spanish people look like arabs , not only pigmentation . spanish people have much more arabid face than celtic 100%

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Lol, Galician people according to popular culture
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2022/08/8-25-22-Celtic-Park.jpg
https://www.liligo.co.uk/travel-magazine/wp-content/uploads/sites/46/2015/11/readhead2.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/B11BP1/scottish-piper-female-football-fan-playing-bagpipes-to-excited-crowd-B11BP1.jpg

No one thinks Galicians look like Irish in popular culture and only the ignorant think the Irish and Scots is what defines what a 'Celt' looks like because that is what is believed in popular culture. Bretons don't look like that, for example.

For someone who pretends they're knowledgeable about anthropology, you sure do like to reference popular culture tropes over real anthropology.

[Oliver109]

No one thinks Galicians look like Irish in popular culture and only the ignorant think the Irish and Scots is what defines what a 'Celt' looks like because that is what is believed in popular culture. Bretons don't look like that, for example.

For someone who pretends they're knowledgeable about anthropology, you sure do like to reference popular culture tropes over real anthropology.

I think the idea of a "celtic race" is utter baloney and sentimental nonsense, unfortunately going by the comments on Youtube etc people seem to buy into the whole Celtic Galicia thing, the only thing Celtic there is the green grass.

[Beowulf]

I think the idea of a "celtic race" is utter baloney and sentimental nonsense, unfortunately going by the comments on Youtube etc people seem to buy into the whole Celtic Galicia thing, the only thing Celtic there is the green grass.


And ancient ruins, toponyms, some vocabulary, folklore too...

I wouldn't say that Green grass is something "Celtic" either

[Melkiirs]

[/B]

And ancient ruins, toponyms, some vocabulary, folklore too...

I wouldn't say that Green grass is something "Celtic" either

Are those influences all from the Celtiberians or also the Britonia Insular Celtic settlement?

[Oliver109]

[/B]

And ancient ruins, toponyms, some vocabulary, folklore too...

I wouldn't say that Green grass is something "Celtic" either

Well they haven't spoken a Celtic language for about 1500 years or so, now really the only thing Celtic is the grass which looks similar to the fresh verdant greens of Ireland and Britanny, it's pretty obvious that Galicia is fundamentally Mediterranean in most aspects. Anyway as i said i am not into this whole sentimental Celtic thing, British isles culture and anthropology is quite unique.

[Beowulf]

Are those influences all from the Celtiberians or also the Britonia Insular Celtic settlement?

Local Gallaecians

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

I think the idea of a "celtic race" is utter baloney and sentimental nonsense, unfortunately going by the comments on Youtube etc people seem to buy into the whole Celtic Galicia thing, the only thing Celtic there is the green grass.

You speak of anthropology but actual know very little. While I won't refer to Galicians as 'Celtic' because they don't speak a Celtic language (nor do most Irish) there was a historical presence of Celts in Galicia that is revealed in the topnonyms.

You're interested in pseduo-science. You're not interested in real anthropology.

[Eurafricanid]

Youre father are full Euro?

I can't be 100% sure because he doesn't want me to buy him a DNA test :picard1:

[Oliver109]

You speak of anthropology but actual know very little. While I won't refer to Galicians as 'Celtic' because they don't speak a Celtic language (nor do most Irish) there was a historical presence of Celts in Galicia that is revealed in the topnonyms.

You're interested in pseduo-science. You're not interested in real anthropology.

Regardless they were nothing like the "celts" that inhabit Ireland, Scotland and Wales, if the average Scotsman visited Galicia they would get a bit of a culture shock, things are just different there while Wales, Cornwall even are just more similar even when it comes to cuisine, sport and music.

[Eurafricanid]

I don't think most look like like Arabs, with the exception of one, can y'all tell me which ones look Arab to you?

Don't be blinded by the skin tone:
https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484583/picture/d4c5929b-6587-437a-930f-11fe8753a3e8.medium.jpghttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTM4OAhjRDyyWP5BmWdHFENKcLHsCuUS y1pPw&usqp=CAU
(Most likely even lighter than that)

[Eurafricanid]

Regardless they were nothing like the "celts" that inhabit Ireland, Scotland and Wales, if the average Scotsman visited Galicia they would get a bit of a culture shock, things are just different there while Wales, Cornwall even are just more similar even when it comes to cuisine, sport and music.

That doesn't matter, since Insular Celts aren't even descendants of the Proto-Celts.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

spanish people look like arabs , not only pigmentation . spanish people have much more arabid face than celtic 100%

Another forum scholar. No physical anthropologist has claimed Iberians have an Arabid phenotype. The phenotype of Arabs is drastically different than that of Iberians.

Iberia was conquered predominately by Berbers led by a minority of Arabs. Except for the elite in the early centuries of Moorish covilzation in Spain Arabs weren't a significant population. Even Berber phenotypes don't show up in Iberia.

'But... but.. Iberians are swarthy!!!!'

They always have been. Even the Roman's referred to Iberians swarthy.

The level of ignorance astounds me. Read a book.

[Beowulf]

Regardless they were nothing like the "celts" that inhabit Ireland, Scotland and Wales, if the average Scotsman visited Galicia they would get a bit of a culture shock, things are just different there while Wales, Cornwall even are just more similar even when it comes to cuisine, sport and music.

Celts weren't either an homogenous group.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Regardless they were nothing like the "celts" that inhabit Ireland, Scotland and Wales, if the average Scotsman visited Galicia they would get a bit of a culture shock, things are just different there while Wales, Cornwall even are just more similar even when it comes to cuisine, sport and music.

I like when someone think they're making a point but they're not.

[Oliver109]

Celts weren't either an homogenous group.

Of course not but what i am saying is that the British and Irish are not really Celtic at all but a blend of western Europeans in phenotype and culture.

[Oliver109]

Another forum scholar. No physical anthropologist has claimed Iberians have an Arabid phenotype. The phenotype of Arabs is drastically different than that of Iberians.

Iberia was conquered predominately by Berbers led by a minority of Arabs. Except for the elite in the early centuries of Moorish covilzation in Spain Arabs weren't a significant population. Even Berber phenotypes don't show up in Iberia.

'But... but.. Iberians are swarthy!!!!'

They always have been. Even the Roman's referred to Iberians swarthy.

The level of ignorance astounds me. Read a book.

The Mediterranean race was said to stretch from Iberia and Morocco to India, as Coon said:
"This third racial zone stretches from Spain across the Straits of Gibraltar to Morocco, and thence along the southern Mediterranean shores into Arabia, East Africa, Mesopotamia, and the Persian highlands; and across Afghanistan into India. This zone is one of comparative racial simplicity. In it the brunet Mediterranean race lives today in its various regional forms without, in most cases, the complication of the Palaeolithic survivals and reëmergences which have so confused the racial picture on the ground of Europe itself. Only in the mountains of Morocco and Algeria, and in the Canary Islands, is such a survival of any importance. The Careful study of living populations of the Mediterranean race in its early homelands will do much to simplify the task which lies ahead."

[Beowulf]

Of course not but what i am saying is that the British and Irish are not really Celtic at all but a blend of western Europeans in phenotype and culture.

Are we talking about culture or phenotypes? Idk anymore.

[Oliver109]

Are we talking about culture or phenotypes? Idk anymore.

both but the main debate on this thread is about phenotypes, i think we can all agree that the Pontevedrans don't look like British "Celts"

[Guthrie]

I don't think most look like like Arabs, with the exception of one, can y'all tell me which ones look Arab to you?

Don't be blinded by the skin tone:
https://api.clupik.com/clubs/5889/teams/167600/players/484583/picture/d4c5929b-6587-437a-930f-11fe8753a3e8.medium.jpghttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTM4OAhjRDyyWP5BmWdHFENKcLHsCuUS y1pPw&usqp=CAU
(Most likely even lighter than that)

He looks textbook Berid in the second pic, while I classified him as Atlanto-Med + Baskid based on the first one.

[Eurafricanid]

He looks textbook Berid in the second pic, while I classified him as Atlanto-Med + Baskid based on the first one.

He doesn't look Berid at all, as he does not have the "grumpy" Sardinian look that the first one has for example, he looks very similar to Atlanto-Med + Paleo Atlantid.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsctCUH0om1wTklRvVcfkmd53sO8v4M _GEGg&usqp=CAU

[Eurafricanid]

The Mediterranean race was said to stretch from Iberia and Morocco to India, as Coon said:
"This third racial zone stretches from Spain across the Straits of Gibraltar to Morocco, and thence along the southern Mediterranean shores into Arabia, East Africa, Mesopotamia, and the Persian highlands; and across Afghanistan into India. This zone is one of comparative racial simplicity. In it the brunet Mediterranean race lives today in its various regional forms without, in most cases, the complication of the Palaeolithic survivals and reëmergences which have so confused the racial picture on the ground of Europe itself. Only in the mountains of Morocco and Algeria, and in the Canary Islands, is such a survival of any importance. The Careful study of living populations of the Mediterranean race in its early homelands will do much to simplify the task which lies ahead."

Coon also said that Nordid is Mediterranean with light hair.

[Oliver109]

Coon also said that Nordid is Mediterranean with light hair.

Which it obviously is

[Damião de Góis]

My goodness, I only published photos of some soccer players from Pontevedra, and they have already come to know if they are typical or atypical, if half of the players are gypsy-Latinos, if Anthropology is science or pseudoscience, genetics of the people of Tajikistan, etc. ..

Wasn't this the reaction you were looking for? Seems that way.

But on the other hand, i recently posted a team and one of these shitheads somehow felt offended and said i was only posting because they were "much lighter".

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?373363-Classify-Portugal-U-17-team

So on one hand you will atract OWD posters if the team is swarthy, but on another hand you will offend certain characters that dwell on this forum if the team is not swarthy enough for their liking.


Even the Roman's referred to Iberians swarthy.


I once looked for this quote and found a description of the Silures from south Wales, in which the romans thought they were swarthy compared to other british and speculated that they probably came from Spain, which was on the opposite shore (his geography was a bit off):



According to Tacitus's biography of Agricola, the Silures usually had a dark complexion and curly hair. Due to their appearance, Tacitus believed they had crossed over from Spain at an earlier date.

The dark complexion of the Silures, their usually curly hair, and the fact that Spain is the opposite shore to them, are an evidence that Iberians of a former date crossed over and occupied these parts.[3]

Jordanes, in his Origins and Deeds of the Goths, describes the Silures.

The Silures have swarthy features and are usually born with curly black hair, but the inhabitants of Caledonia have reddish hair and large loose-jointed bodies. They are like the Gauls or the Spaniards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silures


So apparently they also thought the Gauls were swarthy and were also used to describe how swarthy the welsh were. I never found a direct quote of romans saying iberians were swarthy besides this one.

I would find it a bit bizarre that romans would think iberians were swarthy out of the blue. But it seems there was this context.

[Eurafricanid]

Which it obviously is

Lol.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

The Mediterranean race was said to stretch from Iberia and Morocco to India, as Coon said:
"This third racial zone stretches from Spain across the Straits of Gibraltar to Morocco, and thence along the southern Mediterranean shores into Arabia, East Africa, Mesopotamia, and the Persian highlands; and across Afghanistan into India. This zone is one of comparative racial simplicity. In it the brunet Mediterranean race lives today in its various regional forms without, in most cases, the complication of the Palaeolithic survivals and reëmergences which have so confused the racial picture on the ground of Europe itself. Only in the mountains of Morocco and Algeria, and in the Canary Islands, is such a survival of any importance. The Careful study of living populations of the Mediterranean race in its early homelands will do much to simplify the task which lies ahead."

What does Coon say about the facial characteristics of Arabs and then tell me what he said about Iberians?

Go fetch.

[~Elizabeth~]

I've never read Coon.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Lol.


Oliver will always attach himself to pseudo-science. People in 2005 were talking about Coon. Once population genetics got rolling around 2010 (when it hit a stride) people grew up. Oliver is a man-child and so it can't be expected.

[Oliver109]

Oliver will always attach himself to pseudo-science. People in 2005 were talking about Coon. Once population genetics got rolling around 2010 (when it hit a stride) people grew up. Oliver is a man-child and so it can't be expected.

People "grew up" by becoming more ignorant of body metrics and characteristics, genetics doesn't explain facial metrics or eye shapes or skin thickness and texture etc genetics doesn't explain why some groups have straight hair, others curly hair, i have been looking at genetic reasons for that and have been found wanting.

[Melkiirs]

Oliver will always attach himself to pseudo-science. People in 2005 were talking about Coon. Once population genetics got rolling around 2010 (when it hit a stride) people grew up. Oliver is a man-child and so it can't be expected.

Was your first anthroboard The Phora? When did you first become aware of the existence of Agrippa and his anthrotard school?

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Was your first anthroboard The Phora? When did you first become aware of the existence of Agrippa and his anthrotard school?

I lurked at The Phora. That's how I learned of this forum.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

People "grew up" by becoming more ignorant of body metrics and characteristics, genetics doesn't explain facial metrics or eye shapes or skin thickness and texture etc genetics doesn't explain why some groups have straight hair, others curly hair, i have been looking at genetic reasons for that and have been found wanting.

You don't even know how evolution works and so don't refer to anyone as ignorant. There are 12-year-olds who understand evolution because it's taught to them in class and they have the intelligence that you lack to grasp it.

Facial features, hair, etc. is explained by genetics (in relation to their environment, or in other words some traits are selected for because it gives people an advantage in their environment). Do you not understand that you inherit genes from your parents? Do you understand that groups create genetic clusters because they've been interbreeding with each other for a lengthy time and so certain traits reappear often?

Of course, you don't. You're dumb.

[~Elizabeth~]

I lurked at The Phora. That's how I learned of this forum.

I've never been to the Phora. I think I learned of this forum through ABF, but I'm not sure. Maybe DNA Forums.

[Oliver109]

You don't even know how evolution works and so don't refer to anyone as ignorant. There are 12-year-olds who understand evolution because it's taught to them in class and they have the intelligence that you lack to grasp it.

Facial features, hair, etc. is explained by genetics (in relation to their environment, or in other words some traits are selected for because it gives people an advantage in their environment). Do you not understand that you inherit genes from your parents? Do you understand that groups create genetic clusters because they've been interbreeding with each other for a lengthy time and so certain traits reappear often?

Of course, you don't. You're dumb.

Genetics doesn't explain exactly how people became depigmented or exactly where the process occurred or exactly how people's hair changed form or colour. Genetics doesn't really explain the evolution of man in detail, we still don't even know which part of Africa the first man evolved or even what colour and texture of hair he had.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Genetics doesn't explain exactly how people became depigmented or exactly where the process occurred or exactly how people's hair changed form or colour.

It's called sexual selection. I explained this to you in detail once (and, of course, it didn't stick).

Some people believe depigmented skin and light hair is a byproduct of becoming lactose tolerant.

btw, do you know how different dog breeds are created? They're selected for specific traits. That's genes, fool.



Genetics doesn't really explain the evolution of man in detail, we still don't even know which part of Africa the first man evolved or even what colour and texture of hair he had.

Genetics explains what we are and how we look. We literally have genes associated with different physical characteristics, such as eye and hair color.

You might as well tell me you believe in magic.

[Oliver109]

It's called sexual selection. I explained this to you in detail once (and, of course, it didn't stick).

Some people believe depigmented skin and light hair is a byproduct of becoming lactose tolerant.

btw, do you know how different dog breeds are created? They're selected for specific traits. That's genes, fool.




Genetics explains what we are and how we look. We literally have genes associated with different physical characteristics, such as eye and hair color.

You might as well tell me you believe in magic.

So tell me what hair texture did the first humans have? what skin colour did the first Europeans have? Which part of Asia did the Mongoloid race evolve in? Genetics probably doesn't answer those questions.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

So tell me what hair texture did the first humans have?

I can't tell you but if you give me 100 people (50 men/50 women) and a number of generations I'll give you a population with specific traits (within the pool of traits they have) by selecting some people with particular traits over others to breed.



what skin colour did the first Europeans have?

Swarthy.


Which part of Asia did the Mongoloid race evolve in?

The theory is that the monolid was an adaptive advantage when Asians live in windy and cold climates. So take a guess where that might have been.


Genetics probably doesn't answer those questions.

Magic it is...

[Oliver109]

I can't tell you but if you give me 100 people (50 men/50 women) and a number of generations I'll give you a population with specific traits (within the pool of traits they have) by selecting some people with particular traits over others to breed.




Swarthy.



The theory is that the monolid was an adaptive advantage when Asians live in windy and cold climates. So take a guess where that might have been.



Magic it is...

Awfully vague, Coon had better more convincing theories so you basically cannot give a step by step explanation as to how the White or east Asian race evolved, as for saying "swarthy" that again is vague, are we talking Apu swarthy, kebab shop worker swarthy or Rowan Atkinson swarthy?

[~Elizabeth~]

Genetics doesn't explain exactly how people became depigmented or exactly where the process occurred or exactly how people's hair changed form or colour. Genetics doesn't really explain the evolution of man in detail, we still don't even know which part of Africa the first man evolved or even what colour and texture of hair he had.

I like the panspermia theory.

What is cosmozoic theory?
The cosmozoic theory is also called the theory of panspermia. According to this theory, life has reached this planet Earth from other heavenly bodies such as meteorites, in the form of highly resistant spores of some organisms.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Awfully vague, Coon had better more convincing theories so you basically cannot give a step by step explanation as to how the White or east Asian race evolved?

The standard you hold for me is not the standard you hold for yourself. This is not my field. I gave you a superficial response.

Give me Coon's theory for each question.



as for saying "swarthy" that again is vague, are we talking Apu swarthy, kebab shop worker swarthy or Rowan Atkinson swarthy?

I don't recall how swarthy the first Europeans were said to be and it wouldn't matter if I told you. You've decided genes don't matter. This is like talking to a creationist.

[Beowulf]

I like the panspermia theory.

What is cosmozoic theory?
The cosmozoic theory is also called the theory of panspermia. According to this theory, life has reached this planet Earth from other heavenly bodies such as meteorites, in the form of highly resistant spores of some organisms.

I also like that theory

[Oliver109]

The standard you hold for me is not the standard you hold for yourself. This is not my field. I gave you a superficial response.

Give me Coon's theory for each question.




I don't recall how swarthy the first Europeans were said to be and it wouldn't matter if I told you. You've decided genes don't matter. This is like talking to a creationist.

Coon said that the Mongoloid race probably developed because sharp facial and body features froze more easily, he also had a theory that Saami people are partially evolved Mongoloids, this could be a feature related to alpines as well who show some mongol directed traits. Unfortunately Coon never explained why some dark groups have straight hair while others have kinky hair, i was hoping you would explain but oh well.

[Avicenna]

Both players, be it number 9 or number 11 are completely native looking, in a non-ambiguous way. I recommend that you seek the opinion of those who live on the peninsula and not of Indians, Afghans and Iranians with complexes, mostly behind an account pretending to be Europeans. They are not even remotely familiar with the what Spaniards look like, starting with Valenman (doubtfully a native himself) who wasn't even able to include all the Spanish players in the squad because he probably doesn't even know how to distinguish native names and surnames from foreign ones.

Why mention Afghans when no one from that background has even made a comment? Is that people's default response? Most fire is coming from your own Europeans lol.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Coon said that the Mongoloid race probably developed because sharp facial and body features froze more easily, he also had a theory that Saami people are partially evolved Mongoloids, this could be a feature related to alpines as well who show some mongol directed traits. Unfortunately Coon never explained why some dark groups have straight hair while others have kinky hair, i was hoping you would explain but oh well.

This is what you consider a better explanation? Look at all those step-by-step explanations... Is it fair to say you didn't do well in school?

btw, how is your Balkan British thread going? Not too well, huh?

[Abaddon]

Why mention Afghans when no one from that background has even made a comment? Is that people's default response? Most fire is coming from your own Europeans lol.

Congratulations, you're the first one.

[Mafrense]

I don't see anything wrong with Valenman's posting history. You're all just weird.

Such spelling errors don't seem common for Spaniards:


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