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axlredneck
06-18-2024, 08:23 AM
https://youtu.be/8PDFxJmK5Lw


The Circassians or Adyghe are a Northwest Caucasian ethnic group and nation who originated in Circassia, a region and former country in the North Caucasus. As a consequence of the Circassian genocide, which was perpetrated by the Russian Empire during the Russo-Circassian War in the 19th century, most of the Circassian people were exiled from their ancestral homeland.

axlredneck
06-18-2024, 08:25 AM
Y-DNA: R-YP5192 (https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/R-YP5192/) (x2)
Period: Early Medieval
Age: c. 900 CE
Region: Anapa

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Circassian_Independence_Majlis.png


The area around Anapa was settled in antiquity. It was originally a major seaport (Sinda) and then the capital of Sindica. The colony of Gorgippia was built on the site of Sinda in the 6th century BCE by Pontic Greeks, who named it after a king of the Cimmerian Bosporus. In the 2nd and 3rd centuries BCE, Gorgippia flourished as part of the Bosporan Kingdom, as did its guild of shipowners, which controlled maritime trade in the eastern part of the Black Sea.

axlredneck
06-18-2024, 08:26 AM
https://i.ibb.co/xzZxMq7/IMG-20240615-222559.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/Hd13kDJ/IMG-20240615-222610.jpg

axlredneck
06-18-2024, 08:28 AM
Anapa_MA,0.1096497,0.0842887,-0.0202387,-0.0176573,-0.0319033,-0.0013943,0.0067367,-0.004077,-0.0500403,-0.016705,-0.0041137,0.008892,-0.0136273,0.0022023,-0.0014023,-0.005569,0.0210353,-0.0044343,-0.0059497,0.007295,0.0024127,-0.0032977,-0.003574,-0.003655,0.002355
Turkic,0.099595,-0.077688,0.054871,0.0521645,-0.036622,0.0033465,0.0029375,-0.0072685,-0.020759,-0.0236905,-0.017619,-0.0038215,0.0078045,-0.024015,0.010586,0.011005,0,-0.0065245,-0.011187,0.010067,-0.020027,0.008223,-0.005608,0.003856,-0.000838
Slavic,0.134311,0.123895,0.076555,0.06783,0.044624 ,0.026774,0.013161,0.01223,-0.003681,-0.036083,-0.011367,-0.012139,0.025718,0.027937,-0.019272,-0.001326,0.010431,-0.00114,0.003771,0.013381,-0.00025,-0.007666,0.008874,-0.007591,0.006826
Caucasus,0.11181874,0.12866004,-0.05937765,-0.04404852,-0.04663609,-0.00237749,0.00924728,-0.00366581,-0.07873104,-0.02394883,-0.00067965,0.01329402,-0.02557574,0.00989762,-0.00106495,-0.01619981,0.02704635,-0.0048468,-0.00805495,0.01105532,0.01243237,-0.00843344,-0.0012057,-0.00746477,0.00367657
Anatolian,0.105855,0.160454,-0.033564,-0.070414,0.001231,-0.019522,-0.00047,-0.008307,-0.00225,0.036083,0.008607,0.02293,-0.019921,0.002752,-0.015065,0.008486,0.037681,-0.000633,0.007416,-0.016633,0.000499,0.000495,-0.016269,0.001325,0.00012
Kavkaz,0.11068563,0.13470089,-0.05447306,-0.04905796,-0.03754134,-0.00563495,0.007401,-0.00454764,-0.06419964,-0.01254278,0.00108481,0.01512486,-0.02450134,0.00853995,-0.00372496,-0.01150951,0.02906693,-0.00404618,-0.00511547,0.00579454,0.01016503,-0.00673704,-0.00406773,-0.00579471,0.00300082
https://i.ibb.co/X42WvgT/IMG-20240615-222635.png

axlredneck
06-18-2024, 08:31 AM
Y-DNA: R-YP5192 (https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/R-YP5192/) (x2)

Clearly a Slavic Y-line.

https://i.ibb.co/1vF6LV8/IMG-20240618-140604.jpg

The samples are first degree relatives.

Beowulf
06-18-2024, 09:04 AM
added spanish for me

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0217% / 0.02166064
75.2 Spanish
18.5 Slavic
5.0 Anatolian
1.3 Kavkaz

for fun

Leto
06-18-2024, 09:15 AM
I wonder why your Turkic reference is only 33 percent East Eurasian. Shouldn't medieval Turkics have been around half on average?

Leto
06-18-2024, 09:21 AM
Basically about the same as modern Circassians

Distance to: Anapa_MA
0.02477273 Abazin
0.02502638 Kabardin
0.02563638 Cherkes
0.02564849 Circassian
0.02568326 Karachay
0.02837931 Balkar
0.02989867 Kumyk
0.03532251 Adygei
0.03675625 Ingushian
0.04007650 North_Ossetian

Target: Anapa_MA
Distance: 2.6942% / 0.02694240
58.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
21.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.2 TUR_Barcin_N
4.8 Han
3.0 Nganassan
0.8 WHG

Target: Circassian
Distance: 2.5083% / 0.02508282
66.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
17.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 TUR_Barcin_N
4.4 Han
3.2 Nganassan
2.8 WHG

axlredneck
06-18-2024, 09:56 AM
I wonder why your Turkic reference is only 33 percent East Eurasian. Shouldn't medieval Turkics have been around half on average?

Medieval Turks further east (in Central Asia) were 50% East Eurasian. Oghur Turks, ancestral to Tatars, Bashkirs/Magyars, Karachay-Balkar and Kumyks, were around 40–41% east Eurasian. But since they had some minor Anatolian, Caucasian, and Balkan ancestries as well, it could be as low as 37% EE.

axlredneck
06-18-2024, 04:01 PM
The Slavic autosomal and Y-DNA are the most intriguing things!

andrzej
06-18-2024, 04:11 PM
The Slavic autosomal and Y-DNA are the most intriguing things!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmutarakan

There was also medieval interactions between proto-Cossacks and Kasogi.

axlredneck
06-18-2024, 04:14 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmutarakan

There was also medieval interactions between proto-Cossacks and Kasogi.

This explains it!

axlredneck
06-18-2024, 05:06 PM
NW Caucasians on G25 (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?381939-NW-Caucasians-on-G25)