G25 scaled Gypsy distance

[rothaer]

Out of the available Gypsy coords Roma_Balkans seems to be the "purest" Gypsies. This makes sense as the Gyspies entered Europe via the Bosporus with the Ottoman armies.

What's your distance?

coords:
Roma_Balkans,0.0910587,0.06364,-0.0588307,0.0249787,-0.0187723,0.013108,0.0003917,0.0025387,0.0167027,0 .0148823,0.0003787,-0.0003497,0.0009417,0.008762,-0.0105407,-0.0052153,0.008866,0.003125,0.0015083,0.0010007,-0.0020797,0.0001237,-0.0006573,-0.0040163,-0.0012773

[Beowulf]

<tbody>
Distance to:
Beowulf_Scaled


0.15011977
Roma_Balkans



</tbody>

[RyoHazuki]

Distance to: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
0.16742563 Roma_Balkans

Distance to: Ryo_scaled
0.16616326 Roma_Balkans

[rothaer]

Distance to: rothaer_scaled
0.16938731 Roma_Balkans

Distance to: rothaer_wife2_scaled
0.17380882 Roma_Balkans

[Petalpusher]

Distance to: Petalpusher
0.18237321 Roma_Balkans

[nittionia]

Distance to: nittionia_scaled
0.17165981 Roma_Balkans

[ScandinavianCelt]

Distance to: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
0.15512358 Roma_Balkans

Distance to: Brad_23andMe_scaled
0.16031791 Roma_Balkans

It's the same distance as Greek Dodecanese from me.

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So who would you expect to be closest to this sample? Those mostly from the Balkans?

This is what I get if I add averaged Scandinavian and Insular samples with it at NO ADC:


Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 1.8302% / 0.01830219
55.0 Scandinavian4
35.6 Insular4_Celtic-Brittonic
9.4 Roma_Balkans

[#Oda#]

Distance to: #Oda#_scaled
0.17046504 Roma_Balkans

[Russki]

Distance to: Petalpusher
0.18237321 Roma_Balkans


How?


Distance to: Roma_Balkans
0.12319875 Greek_Crete_Heraklion
0.12349565 Gagauz
0.12448026 Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.12475886 Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.12500978 Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.12593152 Greek_Crete_Chania
0.12600589 Greek_Crete
0.12617991 Pomak_Almopia_Plain
0.12673480 Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.12681081 Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.12727353 Greek_Izmir
0.12756726 Bulgarian
0.12758276 Sicilian_West
0.12763699 Greek_Elis
0.12772908 Sicilian_West_Trapani
0.12776828 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.12780940 Pomak_Danubian_Plain
0.12797619 Greek_West_Taygetos
0.12804260 Greek_Macedonia
0.12810980 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.12814159 Pomak_Rhodope_Mountains
0.12840210 Pomak_Tikves_Plain
0.12856611 Sicilian_East_Syracuse
0.12865206 Greek_East_Taygetos
0.12868528 Greek_Arcadia
0.12887338 Greek_Messenia
0.12911689 Greek_Achaea
0.12917533 Torbeshi_Polog
0.12923673 Greek_Argolis
0.12931827 Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
0.12932480 Greek_Corinthia
0.12933808 Greek_Cappadocia
0.12941715 Italian_Basilicata
0.12943463 Sicilian_East
0.12956265 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.12968289 Greek_Laconia
0.12988480 Greek_Peloponnese
0.12991772 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.13031937 Italian_Molise
0.13032267 Greek_Kos
0.13050294 Greek_Dodecanese
0.13063279 Greek_Thessaly
0.13067716 Italian_Calabria
0.13095064 Italian_Abruzzo
0.13098258 Italian_Campania
0.13130611 Maltese
0.13157358 Sicilian_South_Agrigento
0.13167637 Italian_Apulia
0.13169603 Sicilian_Central
0.13211874 Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes
0.13253237 Greek_Apulia
0.13314596 Italian_Umbria
0.13324209 North_Macedonian
0.13336448 Italian_Jew
0.13358291 Romanian
0.13371038 Italian_Marche
0.13391404 Albanian
0.13405597 Moldovan
0.13519836 Swiss_Italian
0.13529914 Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.13555448 Greek_Trabzon
0.13569995 Cypriot
0.13588433 Italian_Tuscany
0.13642035 Italian_Emilia
0.13842967 Italian_Lazio
0.13999951 Italian_Piedmont
0.14007852 Italian_Liguria
0.14018491 Montenegrin
0.14114671 Serbian
0.14329690 Serb_Croatia
0.14354108 Italian_Northeast
0.14403407 Bosnian
0.14486333 Croat_Main
0.14527024 Italian_Veneto
0.14622286 French_Provence
0.14632438 Italian_Lombardy
0.14661084 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.14666277 French_Corsica
0.14738866 Spanish_Canarias
0.14817514 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.14910552 Spanish_Extremadura
0.14912464 Italian_Bergamo
0.14957776 Portuguese
0.14962208 Afrikaner
0.15065292 Spanish_Murcia
0.15090621 Spanish_Mallorca
0.15098846 Hungarian
0.15117784 Spanish_Eivissa
0.15121897 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.15168238 Spanish_Alacant
0.15171928 Spanish_Menorca
0.15186978 Spanish_Andalucia
0.15196935 Austrian
0.15233618 Swiss_German
0.15234603 Swiss_French
0.15243172 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.15278693 French_Seine-Maritime
0.15296408 Spanish_Baleares
0.15297091 Spanish_Galicia
0.15318009 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.15318349 Spanish_Penedes
0.15364360 Spanish_Girona
0.15371499 French_Alsace
0.15376025 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.15413141 Slovenian
0.15464747 French
0.15474683 Portuguese_Azores
0.15504209 Croat_North
0.15534161 French_Nord
0.15551918 Spanish_Valencia
0.15601390 BelgianB
0.15605443 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.15615805 French_Auvergne
0.15659733 German_Erlangen
0.15661323 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.15671975 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.15715617 French_Paris
0.15720180 Spanish_Pirineu
0.15721791 Spanish_Lleida
0.15770181 Ukrainian_Kropyvnytskyi
0.15806247 French_Occitanie
0.15816991 Spanish_Castello
0.15835004 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15850676 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15852481 Spanish_Aragon
0.15887409 BelgianC
0.15893021 Spanish_Barcelones
0.15929360 German
0.15941871 BelgianA
0.15951878 Moksha
0.15970445 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15989341 Ukrainian_Pontic
0.15994834 Czech
0.16002490 Ukrainian_Cherkasy
0.16008402 Erzya
0.16009945 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.16115523 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.16150684 Ukrainian_Ternopil
0.16223921 Russian_RyazanMikhailov
0.16260844 Slovakian
0.16294743 Spanish_Asturias
0.16318804 German_East
0.16333271 Spanish_Navarra
0.16353712 French_Brittany
0.16355782 Cossack_Ukrainian_Dnipropetrovsk
0.16365173 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.16373795 Dutch
0.16375486 Russian_Ryazan
0.16399220 German_Hamburg
0.16405703 Spanish_Soria
0.16435369 Russian_Voronezh_North
0.16503277 Russian_RyazanSpassk
0.16544597 French_South
0.16580674 Spanish_Biscay
0.16597070 Ukrainian_Donetsk
0.16600942 Russian_Samara
0.16618387 Ukrainian_Zaporizhzhia
0.16672083 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.16682264 Welsh
0.16686431 Spanish_Aragon_North
0.16695310 Spanish_Burgos
0.16706624 Ukrainian_Kharkiv
0.16720562 Ukrainian_Poltava
0.16724694 Ukrainian_Kiev
0.16739499 Cossack_Kuban
0.16741069 English
0.16752724 Orcadian
0.16757630 Ukrainian
0.16758469 Scottish
0.16768875 Cossack_Ukrainian_Zaporizhzhia
0.16779088 Ukrainian_Crimea
0.16790935 Polish_Silesian
0.16804750 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.16841505 Russian_Orel
0.16844445 Irish
0.16846786 Shetlandic
0.16898182 English_Cornwall
0.16903971 Russian_Kursk
0.16930510 Russian_Arkhangelsk_Krasnoborsky
0.16936808 French_Bigorre Basque?
0.16942393 French_Chalosse Basque?
0.16974051 Russian_Belgorod
0.16984443 Russian_Kostroma
0.16989769 Russian_TverKashin
0.17025761 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.17035415 Besermyan
0.17057800 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.17072923 Komi_A
0.17073273 French_Bearn Basque?
0.17086805 Russian_Tver
0.17097209 Norwegian
0.17099194 Polish
0.17110706 Russian_NizhnyNovgorod
0.17126353 Danish
0.17198185 Russian_Voronezh
0.17215209 Russian_Vladimir
0.17216389 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.17249892 Swedish
0.17275368 Basque_Navarre_Center
0.17368827 Icelandic
0.17476006 Russian_Smolensk
0.17541035 Basque_Roncal
0.17546547 Basque_Gipuzkoa
0.17562356 Russian_Moscow
0.17566780 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.17575725 Basque_Araba
0.17604155 Russian_Kaluga
0.17644244 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.17660177 Basque_Lower_Navarre
0.17692516 Basque_Spanish
0.17717787 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.17741255 Basque_French
0.17767064 Russian_Arkhangelsk_Leshukonsky
0.17869084 Belarusian
0.17876408 Finnish_Southwest
0.17888855 Basque_Biscay
0.17926354 Basque_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
0.17941956 Russian_Arkhangelsk_Pinezhsky
0.17946197 Ukrainian_Volyn
0.17950463 Basque_Navarre_North
0.17974837 Finnish_Central
0.17994495 Finnish_Southeast
0.17995999 Vepsian
0.18078976 Karelian_Southern
0.18080932 Ingrian
0.18081694 Russian_Karelia_Zaoneje
0.18128078 Basque_Soule
0.18133152 Russian_Arkhangelsk_Pinega
0.18172078 Polish_Kashubian
0.18232267 Basque_Baztan
0.18236563 Karelian
0.18279365 Russian_Pskov
0.18282126 Russian_Novgorod
0.18306240 Finnish_North
0.18317340 Karelian_Northern
0.18426631 Finnish_East
0.18531929 Sardinian_Sulcis-Iglesiente
0.18535731 Lithuanian_PA
0.18642365 Udmurt
0.18983016 Lithuanian_VA
0.19121550 Estonian
0.19253644 Saami_Kola
0.19282253 Sardinian_Benetutti
0.19335930 Lithuanian_RA
0.19582074 Lithuanian
0.19613998 Lithuanian_VZ
0.19631787 Sardinian_North
0.19825537 Sardinian
0.19941975 Lithuanian_SZ
0.20124596 Latvian
0.20139327 Lithuanian_PZ
0.20316305 Saami_Finland
0.21511053 Saami
0.21556217 Saami_Sweden
0.22109114 Saami_Norway
0.22817296 Mari
0.29476162 Komi_B

[ScandinavianCelt]

Out of the available Gypsy coords Roma_Balkans seems to be the "purest" Gypsies. This makes sense as the Gyspies entered Europe via the Bosporus with the Ottoman armies.

What's your distance?

coords:
Roma_Balkans,0.0910587,0.06364,-0.0588307,0.0249787,-0.0187723,0.013108,0.0003917,0.0025387,0.0167027,0 .0148823,0.0003787,-0.0003497,0.0009417,0.008762,-0.0105407,-0.0052153,0.008866,0.003125,0.0015083,0.0010007,-0.0020797,0.0001237,-0.0006573,-0.0040163,-0.0012773

I read they came from Punjab Rajastan. You could try these samples also:

Brahmin_Rajasthan,0.066017,-0.016248,-0.109742,0.087856,-0.063396,0.047133,-0.00094,0.006461,0.01493,-0.000364,-0.00747,-0.000899,-0.004311,-0.003028,0.015201,-0.003845,-0.028163,0.001647,0.005279,-0.010505,0.00025,-0.01286,-0.001602,-0.007591,0.001317
Gujar_Rajasthan,0.066231,-0.011995,-0.12478,0.085172,-0.076976,0.050532,0.002629,0.008336,0.006455,-0.001059,-0.004872,-0.001236,0.001059,-0.004172,0.007702,0.010914,-0.003602,0.001884,0.002663,-0.009966,-0.001302,-0.007226,0.002003,-0.002274,0.001736
Rajput_Rajasthan,0.068578,-0.002031,-0.119076,0.079701,-0.078707,0.04783,0.002761,0.006404,-0.001534,-0.006287,-0.007307,0.000487,0.001487,-0.007466,0.010247,0.018496,0.002217,-0.001552,0.002325,-0.013944,-0.001279,-0.010912,6.2e-05,-0.005603,0.003024


My result with yours + these:


Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 1.7644% / 0.01764362
48.2 Insular4_Celtic-Brittonic
44.4 Scandinavian4
4.4 Brahmin_Rajasthan
3.0 Roma_Balkans

[rothaer]

Distance to: Petalpusher
0.18237321 Roma_Balkans

Stunning. I already noted internally in the family by comparisons that the Gypsy distance does not simply follow what we can call "northernness" or "southernness".

Btw. Nittionia's general closeness (magic frog?) also applies to Gypsies. :p

[ScandinavianCelt]

double posted

[#Oda#]

No pattern perceptible so far. The Spaniard is the closest, the Frenchman the farthest and three Germans inbetween.

EDIT: However, the French distances in Russki's list fit well.

[ScandinavianCelt]

using mod pop ave and ancient pop ave, scaled, these are top 10 distances to Roma_Balkans:

Distance to: Roma_Balkans
0.01619849 Albania_EarlyModern_oRoma
0.02857308 Roma_Granada
0.03083634 Roma_Porto
0.03153854 Roma_Bilbao
0.05009493 Roma_Madrid
0.05563363 Cochin_Jew_A
0.07045368 Parsi_Pakistan
0.07094764 Parsi_India
0.07474036 Roma_Barcelona
0.07586197 Pakistan_Udegram_Medieval_Ghaznavid

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.16955558 Roma_Balkans

[nittionia]

Btw. Nittionia's general closeness (magic frog?) also applies to Gypsies. :p

:frog:

[celticdragongod]

I read they came from Punjab Rajastan. You could try these samples also:

Brahmin_Rajasthan,0.066017,-0.016248,-0.109742,0.087856,-0.063396,0.047133,-0.00094,0.006461,0.01493,-0.000364,-0.00747,-0.000899,-0.004311,-0.003028,0.015201,-0.003845,-0.028163,0.001647,0.005279,-0.010505,0.00025,-0.01286,-0.001602,-0.007591,0.001317
Gujar_Rajasthan,0.066231,-0.011995,-0.12478,0.085172,-0.076976,0.050532,0.002629,0.008336,0.006455,-0.001059,-0.004872,-0.001236,0.001059,-0.004172,0.007702,0.010914,-0.003602,0.001884,0.002663,-0.009966,-0.001302,-0.007226,0.002003,-0.002274,0.001736
Rajput_Rajasthan,0.068578,-0.002031,-0.119076,0.079701,-0.078707,0.04783,0.002761,0.006404,-0.001534,-0.006287,-0.007307,0.000487,0.001487,-0.007466,0.010247,0.018496,0.002217,-0.001552,0.002325,-0.013944,-0.001279,-0.010912,6.2e-05,-0.005603,0.003024


My result with yours + these:


Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 1.7644% / 0.01764362
48.2 Insular4_Celtic-Brittonic
44.4 Scandinavian4
4.4 Brahmin_Rajasthan
3.0 Roma_Balkans

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.16955558 Roma_Balkans
0.26782936 Brahmin_Rajasthan
0.27207359 Rajput_Rajasthan
0.28030917 Gujar_Rajasthan

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 16.9556% / 0.16955558
100.0 Roma_Balkans

[ScandinavianCelt]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.16955558 Roma_Balkans
0.26782936 Brahmin_Rajasthan
0.27207359 Rajput_Rajasthan
0.28030917 Gujar_Rajasthan

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 16.9556% / 0.16955558
100.0 Roma_Balkans

Did you save the coordinates I sent there's two different ones one is the Scandinavian average and one is the insular Celtic protonic average I can send them to you you should run it see what you get for bulk and gypsy freewheeling genetics

[gixajo]

I suppose any Balkanite would be the closest, but not necessarily because they have gypsy ancestry, simply because they are Balkan gypsies, and they are mixed with locals. Portuguese or Spanish gypsies should be closer to me or to any Spanish or Portuguese, due to their Iberian mix. In fact there is an outlier Spanish gypsy individual, who is practically 100% Spanish (or had, I don't know if he is still in the datasheet)

https://i.imgur.com/oPp95X5.png

[gixajo]

Without Roma_Balkans

Spain&Portugal:A=South&West Iberian peninsula
Spain&Portugal:B=North&East Iberian peninsula


Brahmin_Rajasthan,0.066017,-0.016248,-0.109742,0.087856,-0.063396,0.047133,-0.00094,0.006461,0.01493,-0.000364,-0.00747,-0.000899,-0.004311,-0.003028,0.015201,-0.003845,-0.028163,0.001647,0.005279,-0.010505,0.00025,-0.01286,-0.001602,-0.007591,0.001317
Gujar_Rajasthan,0.066231,-0.011995,-0.12478,0.085172,-0.076976,0.050532,0.002629,0.008336,0.006455,-0.001059,-0.004872,-0.001236,0.001059,-0.004172,0.007702,0.010914,-0.003602,0.001884,0.002663,-0.009966,-0.001302,-0.007226,0.002003,-0.002274,0.001736
Rajput_Rajasthan,0.068578,-0.002031,-0.119076,0.079701,-0.078707,0.04783,0.002761,0.006404,-0.001534,-0.006287,-0.007307,0.000487,0.001487,-0.007466,0.010247,0.018496,0.002217,-0.001552,0.002325,-0.013944,-0.001279,-0.010912,6.2e-05,-0.005603,0.003024
Spain&Portugal:A,0.1071838,0.1461951,0.0372635,-0.0025708,0.0426659,-0.0021857,-0.0033692,0.0022915,0.0256269,0.0302746,-0.0017288,0.0066637,-0.0122503,-0.011819,0.0107518,-0.001248,-0.0041344,-0.0018346,-0.0052,-0.0010522,0.0014705,-0.0024839,-0.0003285,-0.0030979,0.0003532
Spain&Portugal:B,0.1213984,0.1474236,0.0472685,0.003526, 0.0488319,-0.0012538,-0.0012468,0.0009432,0.0252244,0.0360865,-0.0053859,0.0098206,-0.0176049,-0.0150589,0.0124104,0.0022994,-0.0051303,0.0008226,-0.0029851,-0.0024845,0.0054828,0.0003058,-0.0053878,-0.00312,0.001259


Target: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
Distance: 1.6472% / 0.01647240
100.0 Spain&Portugal
0.0 Brahmin_Rajasthan
0.0 Gujar_Rajasthan
0.0 Rajput_Rajasthan

With Roma_Balkans.


Roma_Balkans,0.0910587,0.06364,-0.0588307,0.0249787,-0.0187723,0.013108,0.0003917,0.0025387,0.0167027,0 .0148823,0.0003787,-0.0003497,0.0009417,0.008762,-0.0105407,-0.0052153,0.008866,0.003125,0.0015083,0.0010007,-0.0020797,0.0001237,-0.0006573,-0.0040163,-0.0012773
Brahmin_Rajasthan,0.066017,-0.016248,-0.109742,0.087856,-0.063396,0.047133,-0.00094,0.006461,0.01493,-0.000364,-0.00747,-0.000899,-0.004311,-0.003028,0.015201,-0.003845,-0.028163,0.001647,0.005279,-0.010505,0.00025,-0.01286,-0.001602,-0.007591,0.001317
Gujar_Rajasthan,0.066231,-0.011995,-0.12478,0.085172,-0.076976,0.050532,0.002629,0.008336,0.006455,-0.001059,-0.004872,-0.001236,0.001059,-0.004172,0.007702,0.010914,-0.003602,0.001884,0.002663,-0.009966,-0.001302,-0.007226,0.002003,-0.002274,0.001736
Rajput_Rajasthan,0.068578,-0.002031,-0.119076,0.079701,-0.078707,0.04783,0.002761,0.006404,-0.001534,-0.006287,-0.007307,0.000487,0.001487,-0.007466,0.010247,0.018496,0.002217,-0.001552,0.002325,-0.013944,-0.001279,-0.010912,6.2e-05,-0.005603,0.003024
Spain&Portugal:A,0.1071838,0.1461951,0.0372635,-0.0025708,0.0426659,-0.0021857,-0.0033692,0.0022915,0.0256269,0.0302746,-0.0017288,0.0066637,-0.0122503,-0.011819,0.0107518,-0.001248,-0.0041344,-0.0018346,-0.0052,-0.0010522,0.0014705,-0.0024839,-0.0003285,-0.0030979,0.0003532
Spain&Portugal:B,0.1213984,0.1474236,0.0472685,0.003526, 0.0488319,-0.0012538,-0.0012468,0.0009432,0.0252244,0.0360865,-0.0053859,0.0098206,-0.0176049,-0.0150589,0.0124104,0.0022994,-0.0051303,0.0008226,-0.0029851,-0.0024845,0.0054828,0.0003058,-0.0053878,-0.00312,0.001259


Target: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
Distance: 1.6421% / 0.01642059
99.0 Spain&Portugal
1.0 Roma_Balkans
0.0 Gujar_Rajasthan
0.0 rahmin_Rajasthan
0.0 Rajput_Rajasthan

So I would say that I score some Roma_Balkans not for having any Roma ancestry but more because the "Balkan connection" :D

That Gypsy ancestry can be seen more clearly with the ucual "Davidski Ancient Standard Model" I think.

[Grace O'Malley]

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.17355052 Roma_Balkans

[RyoHazuki]

Stunning. I already noted internally in the family by comparisons that the Gypsy distance does not simply follow what we can call "northernness" or "southernness".

Btw. Nittionia's general closeness (magic frog?) also applies to Gypsies. :p

Gypsy is overwhelmingly Asian, so most all Europeans are mostly distant.

[Mortimer]

Distance to: Svetozar_scaled
0.06432377 Roma_Balkans

[Ænglishman]

131105

131106

Interesting.

Found a better fit still.

131107

[Gallop]

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.15667160 Roma_Balkans

Distance to: Father_scaled
0.16062484 Roma_Balkans

Distance to: brother_scaled
0.15814271 Roma_Balkans

[Cynewise]

Distance to: Cynewise
0.16600013 Roma_Balkans

[ScandinavianCelt]

Without Roma_Balkans

Spain&Portugal:A=South&West Iberian peninsula
Spain&Portugal:B=North&East Iberian peninsula


Brahmin_Rajasthan,0.066017,-0.016248,-0.109742,0.087856,-0.063396,0.047133,-0.00094,0.006461,0.01493,-0.000364,-0.00747,-0.000899,-0.004311,-0.003028,0.015201,-0.003845,-0.028163,0.001647,0.005279,-0.010505,0.00025,-0.01286,-0.001602,-0.007591,0.001317
Gujar_Rajasthan,0.066231,-0.011995,-0.12478,0.085172,-0.076976,0.050532,0.002629,0.008336,0.006455,-0.001059,-0.004872,-0.001236,0.001059,-0.004172,0.007702,0.010914,-0.003602,0.001884,0.002663,-0.009966,-0.001302,-0.007226,0.002003,-0.002274,0.001736
Rajput_Rajasthan,0.068578,-0.002031,-0.119076,0.079701,-0.078707,0.04783,0.002761,0.006404,-0.001534,-0.006287,-0.007307,0.000487,0.001487,-0.007466,0.010247,0.018496,0.002217,-0.001552,0.002325,-0.013944,-0.001279,-0.010912,6.2e-05,-0.005603,0.003024
Spain&Portugal:A,0.1071838,0.1461951,0.0372635,-0.0025708,0.0426659,-0.0021857,-0.0033692,0.0022915,0.0256269,0.0302746,-0.0017288,0.0066637,-0.0122503,-0.011819,0.0107518,-0.001248,-0.0041344,-0.0018346,-0.0052,-0.0010522,0.0014705,-0.0024839,-0.0003285,-0.0030979,0.0003532
Spain&Portugal:B,0.1213984,0.1474236,0.0472685,0.003526, 0.0488319,-0.0012538,-0.0012468,0.0009432,0.0252244,0.0360865,-0.0053859,0.0098206,-0.0176049,-0.0150589,0.0124104,0.0022994,-0.0051303,0.0008226,-0.0029851,-0.0024845,0.0054828,0.0003058,-0.0053878,-0.00312,0.001259


Target: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
Distance: 1.6472% / 0.01647240
100.0 Spain&Portugal
0.0 Brahmin_Rajasthan
0.0 Gujar_Rajasthan
0.0 Rajput_Rajasthan

With Roma_Balkans.


Roma_Balkans,0.0910587,0.06364,-0.0588307,0.0249787,-0.0187723,0.013108,0.0003917,0.0025387,0.0167027,0 .0148823,0.0003787,-0.0003497,0.0009417,0.008762,-0.0105407,-0.0052153,0.008866,0.003125,0.0015083,0.0010007,-0.0020797,0.0001237,-0.0006573,-0.0040163,-0.0012773
Brahmin_Rajasthan,0.066017,-0.016248,-0.109742,0.087856,-0.063396,0.047133,-0.00094,0.006461,0.01493,-0.000364,-0.00747,-0.000899,-0.004311,-0.003028,0.015201,-0.003845,-0.028163,0.001647,0.005279,-0.010505,0.00025,-0.01286,-0.001602,-0.007591,0.001317
Gujar_Rajasthan,0.066231,-0.011995,-0.12478,0.085172,-0.076976,0.050532,0.002629,0.008336,0.006455,-0.001059,-0.004872,-0.001236,0.001059,-0.004172,0.007702,0.010914,-0.003602,0.001884,0.002663,-0.009966,-0.001302,-0.007226,0.002003,-0.002274,0.001736
Rajput_Rajasthan,0.068578,-0.002031,-0.119076,0.079701,-0.078707,0.04783,0.002761,0.006404,-0.001534,-0.006287,-0.007307,0.000487,0.001487,-0.007466,0.010247,0.018496,0.002217,-0.001552,0.002325,-0.013944,-0.001279,-0.010912,6.2e-05,-0.005603,0.003024
Spain&Portugal:A,0.1071838,0.1461951,0.0372635,-0.0025708,0.0426659,-0.0021857,-0.0033692,0.0022915,0.0256269,0.0302746,-0.0017288,0.0066637,-0.0122503,-0.011819,0.0107518,-0.001248,-0.0041344,-0.0018346,-0.0052,-0.0010522,0.0014705,-0.0024839,-0.0003285,-0.0030979,0.0003532
Spain&Portugal:B,0.1213984,0.1474236,0.0472685,0.003526, 0.0488319,-0.0012538,-0.0012468,0.0009432,0.0252244,0.0360865,-0.0053859,0.0098206,-0.0176049,-0.0150589,0.0124104,0.0022994,-0.0051303,0.0008226,-0.0029851,-0.0024845,0.0054828,0.0003058,-0.0053878,-0.00312,0.001259


Target: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
Distance: 1.6421% / 0.01642059
99.0 Spain&Portugal
1.0 Roma_Balkans
0.0 Gujar_Rajasthan
0.0 rahmin_Rajasthan
0.0 Rajput_Rajasthan

So I would say that I score some Roma_Balkans not for having any Roma ancestry but more because the "Balkan connection" :D

That Gypsy ancestry can be seen more clearly with the ucual "Davidski Ancient Standard Model" I think.

Put in something like the average England Iron Age for yourself and see if you get any Gypsy through your Northern background I don't know exactly when you have it but you could try the Iron Age

[Pedro Ruben]

Distance to: Pedro_scaled
0.14830899 Roma_Balkans

Distance to: Dad_scaled
0.14960247 Roma_Balkans

Distance to: Mom_scaled
0.15265238 Roma_Balkans

[Mortimer]

So I would say that I score some Roma_Balkans not for having any Roma ancestry but more because the "Balkan connection" :D

That Gypsy ancestry can be seen more clearly with the ucual "Davidski Ancient Standard Model" I think.

That could be the case but not neccessarily, since im for example only 10-15% asian but im more then half gypsy, you could be 1% gypsy and not asian at all. you could be 10% gypsy and not asian at all because you didnt inherit the asian genetics of the gypsy side, but you could have a "gypsy ancestor" that being said you should add pure balkan samples, to see if you get then balkan because its balkan shift or if you still get gypsy, i dont know how ancestry does, but they are very good at telling gypsies apart from others and how much gypsy you are. i dont know which method they use

https://i.ibb.co/d5mVDW0/Svetozar-Ancestry-DNA-Ethnicity-Estimate-021023.jpg (https://ibb.co/gR4fJjM)
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[Petalpusher]

How?

Distance to: Roma_Balkans
0.12319875 Greek_Crete_Heraklion
0.12349565 Gagauz
0.12448026 Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.12475886 Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.12500978 Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.12593152 Greek_Crete_Chania
0.12600589 Greek_Crete
0.12617991 Pomak_Almopia_Plain
0.12673480 Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.12681081 Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.12727353 Greek_Izmir
0.12756726 Bulgarian
0.12758276 Sicilian_West
0.12763699 Greek_Elis
0.12772908 Sicilian_West_Trapani
0.12776828 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.12780940 Pomak_Danubian_Plain
0.12797619 Greek_West_Taygetos
0.12804260 Greek_Macedonia
0.12810980 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.12814159 Pomak_Rhodope_Mountains
0.12840210 Pomak_Tikves_Plain
0.12856611 Sicilian_East_Syracuse
0.12865206 Greek_East_Taygetos
0.12868528 Greek_Arcadia
0.12887338 Greek_Messenia
0.12911689 Greek_Achaea
0.12917533 Torbeshi_Polog
0.12923673 Greek_Argolis
0.12931827 Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
0.12932480 Greek_Corinthia
0.12933808 Greek_Cappadocia
0.12941715 Italian_Basilicata
0.12943463 Sicilian_East
0.12956265 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.12968289 Greek_Laconia
0.12988480 Greek_Peloponnese
0.12991772 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.13031937 Italian_Molise
0.13032267 Greek_Kos
0.13050294 Greek_Dodecanese
0.13063279 Greek_Thessaly
0.13067716 Italian_Calabria
0.13095064 Italian_Abruzzo
0.13098258 Italian_Campania
0.13130611 Maltese
0.13157358 Sicilian_South_Agrigento
0.13167637 Italian_Apulia
0.13169603 Sicilian_Central
0.13211874 Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes
0.13253237 Greek_Apulia
0.13314596 Italian_Umbria
0.13324209 North_Macedonian
0.13336448 Italian_Jew
0.13358291 Romanian
0.13371038 Italian_Marche
0.13391404 Albanian
0.13405597 Moldovan
0.13519836 Swiss_Italian
0.13529914 Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.13555448 Greek_Trabzon
0.13569995 Cypriot
0.13588433 Italian_Tuscany
0.13642035 Italian_Emilia
0.13842967 Italian_Lazio
0.13999951 Italian_Piedmont
0.14007852 Italian_Liguria
0.14018491 Montenegrin
0.14114671 Serbian
0.14329690 Serb_Croatia
0.14354108 Italian_Northeast
0.14403407 Bosnian
0.14486333 Croat_Main
0.14527024 Italian_Veneto
0.14622286 French_Provence
0.14632438 Italian_Lombardy
0.14661084 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.14666277 French_Corsica
0.14738866 Spanish_Canarias
0.14817514 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.14910552 Spanish_Extremadura
0.14912464 Italian_Bergamo
0.14957776 Portuguese
0.14962208 Afrikaner
0.15065292 Spanish_Murcia
0.15090621 Spanish_Mallorca
0.15098846 Hungarian
0.15117784 Spanish_Eivissa
0.15121897 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.15168238 Spanish_Alacant
0.15171928 Spanish_Menorca
0.15186978 Spanish_Andalucia
0.15196935 Austrian
0.15233618 Swiss_German
0.15234603 Swiss_French
0.15243172 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.15278693 French_Seine-Maritime
0.15296408 Spanish_Baleares
0.15297091 Spanish_Galicia
0.15318009 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.15318349 Spanish_Penedes
0.15364360 Spanish_Girona
0.15371499 French_Alsace
0.15376025 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.15413141 Slovenian
0.15464747 French
0.15474683 Portuguese_Azores
0.15504209 Croat_North
0.15534161 French_Nord
0.15551918 Spanish_Valencia
0.15601390 BelgianB
0.15605443 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.15615805 French_Auvergne
0.15659733 German_Erlangen
0.15661323 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.15671975 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.15715617 French_Paris
0.15720180 Spanish_Pirineu
0.15721791 Spanish_Lleida
0.15770181 Ukrainian_Kropyvnytskyi
0.15806247 French_Occitanie
0.15816991 Spanish_Castello
0.15835004 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15850676 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15852481 Spanish_Aragon
0.15887409 BelgianC
0.15893021 Spanish_Barcelones
0.15929360 German
0.15941871 BelgianA
0.15951878 Moksha
0.15970445 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15989341 Ukrainian_Pontic
0.15994834 Czech
0.16002490 Ukrainian_Cherkasy
0.16008402 Erzya
0.16009945 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.16115523 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.16150684 Ukrainian_Ternopil
0.16223921 Russian_RyazanMikhailov
0.16260844 Slovakian
0.16294743 Spanish_Asturias
0.16318804 German_East
0.16333271 Spanish_Navarra
0.16353712 French_Brittany
0.16355782 Cossack_Ukrainian_Dnipropetrovsk
0.16365173 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.16373795 Dutch
0.16375486 Russian_Ryazan
0.16399220 German_Hamburg
0.16405703 Spanish_Soria
0.16435369 Russian_Voronezh_North
0.16503277 Russian_RyazanSpassk
0.16544597 French_South
0.16580674 Spanish_Biscay
0.16597070 Ukrainian_Donetsk
0.16600942 Russian_Samara
0.16618387 Ukrainian_Zaporizhzhia
0.16672083 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.16682264 Welsh
0.16686431 Spanish_Aragon_North
0.16695310 Spanish_Burgos
0.16706624 Ukrainian_Kharkiv
0.16720562 Ukrainian_Poltava
0.16724694 Ukrainian_Kiev
0.16739499 Cossack_Kuban
0.16741069 English
0.16752724 Orcadian
0.16757630 Ukrainian
0.16758469 Scottish
0.16768875 Cossack_Ukrainian_Zaporizhzhia
0.16779088 Ukrainian_Crimea
0.16790935 Polish_Silesian
0.16804750 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.16841505 Russian_Orel
0.16844445 Irish
0.16846786 Shetlandic
0.16898182 English_Cornwall
0.16903971 Russian_Kursk
0.16930510 Russian_Arkhangelsk_Krasnoborsky
0.16936808 French_Bigorre Basque?
0.16942393 French_Chalosse Basque?
0.16974051 Russian_Belgorod
0.16984443 Russian_Kostroma
0.16989769 Russian_TverKashin
0.17025761 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.17035415 Besermyan
0.17057800 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.17072923 Komi_A
0.17073273 French_Bearn Basque?
0.17086805 Russian_Tver
0.17097209 Norwegian
0.17099194 Polish
0.17110706 Russian_NizhnyNovgorod
0.17126353 Danish
0.17198185 Russian_Voronezh
0.17215209 Russian_Vladimir
0.17216389 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.17249892 Swedish
0.17275368 Basque_Navarre_Center
0.17368827 Icelandic
0.17476006 Russian_Smolensk
0.17541035 Basque_Roncal
0.17546547 Basque_Gipuzkoa
0.17562356 Russian_Moscow
0.17566780 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.17575725 Basque_Araba
0.17604155 Russian_Kaluga
0.17644244 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.17660177 Basque_Lower_Navarre
0.17692516 Basque_Spanish
0.17717787 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.17741255 Basque_French
0.17767064 Russian_Arkhangelsk_Leshukonsky
0.17869084 Belarusian
0.17876408 Finnish_Southwest
0.17888855 Basque_Biscay
0.17926354 Basque_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
0.17941956 Russian_Arkhangelsk_Pinezhsky
0.17946197 Ukrainian_Volyn
0.17950463 Basque_Navarre_North
0.17974837 Finnish_Central
0.17994495 Finnish_Southeast
0.17995999 Vepsian
0.18078976 Karelian_Southern
0.18080932 Ingrian
0.18081694 Russian_Karelia_Zaoneje
0.18128078 Basque_Soule
0.18133152 Russian_Arkhangelsk_Pinega
0.18172078 Polish_Kashubian
0.18232267 Basque_Baztan
0.18236563 Karelian
0.18279365 Russian_Pskov
0.18282126 Russian_Novgorod
0.18306240 Finnish_North
0.18317340 Karelian_Northern
0.18426631 Finnish_East
0.18531929 Sardinian_Sulcis-Iglesiente
0.18535731 Lithuanian_PA
0.18642365 Udmurt
0.18983016 Lithuanian_VA
0.19121550 Estonian
0.19253644 Saami_Kola
0.19282253 Sardinian_Benetutti
0.19335930 Lithuanian_RA
0.19582074 Lithuanian
0.19613998 Lithuanian_VZ
0.19631787 Sardinian_North
0.19825537 Sardinian
0.19941975 Lithuanian_SZ
0.20124596 Latvian
0.20139327 Lithuanian_PZ
0.20316305 Saami_Finland
0.21511053 Saami
0.21556217 Saami_Sweden
0.22109114 Saami_Norway
0.22817296 Mari
0.29476162 Komi_B



I always get the highest distance to SSA, East Asian and Oceanian/south Asian on Apricity. This is the why i believe:

I never scored any of it in any calculator since i tested in 2014, and i mean really 0.00%, not even noise in all the Eurogenes, mdlp, etc ...wether high or low K. Also look at how Basques and even Sardinians, can be more distant to them than the most northern groups with real east asian/siberian proxies such as Finns, which is artificially increasing that distance comparing to other European groups. So it's not really a matter of north/south anymore at some point but something else individually i believe, or a lack thereof.

Initially i was convinced it was just my genome that didn't show "noise" for some reasons (genotyping errors or else), but a few months later for funsies i paid the test for everybody i could in my family. I got my parents and sisters tested + two grand parents on each side. They are like that too, very tiny bit of noise on my dad side but still lower than everybody else. Mother, sisters and grandmother side 0.00 everywhere again. I ve wondered about all this and it has been my little genetic pet peeve for a long time. My mother has an even greater distance at 0.184 on this (@18.4 in gedmatch terms)

It's possible im part Basque in the grand scheme of things or a similar small isolate that existed in the southeast near the Alps that isn't yet sampled (i don't have sw ancestry afaik) It's clearly not "Provence" however, im closer usually to Baltics and even Russians than this Provence sample of my own country, so that's how wrong it is, since i actually do have some Provence on my mother side. I said this a million times but this sample does cluster with northern Italians, not French, so it's not really wrong it's just from Nice, a town that was Italian for most of history, that won't represent Provence people in any way.

[Vessna]

Distance to: Vessna_scaled
0.17791309 Roma_Balkans

[Petalpusher]

Even if you are a part basque it’s very odd that you score a higher distance than me


0.18535731 Lithuanian_PA
0.18642365 Udmurt
0.18983016 Lithuanian_VA
0.19121550 Estonian
0.19253644 Saami_Kola
0.19282253 Sardinian_Benetutti
0.19335930 Lithuanian_RA
0.19582074 Lithuanian
0.19613998 Lithuanian_VZ
0.19631787 Sardinian_North
0.19825537 Sardinian
0.19941975 Lithuanian_SZ
0.20124596 Latvian
0.20139327 Lithuanian_PZ
0.20316305 Saami_Finland
0.21511053 Saami
0.21556217 Saami_Sweden
0.22109114 Saami_Norway
0.22817296 Mari
0.29476162 Komi_B

Sardinian average is at 19.8 so that is a possiblity too, i just don't consider it likely i have Sardinian ancestry or i couldn't cluster where i do with any significant amount. I think you don't have enough East Asian/Siberian to get that high distance, it's what really matters in your "area".

[Vessna]

Sardinian average is at 19.8 so that is a possiblity too, i just don't consider it likely i have Sardinian ancestry or i couldn't cluster where i do with any significant amount. I think you don't have enough East Asian/Siberian to get that high distance, it's what really matters in your "area".

I don’t think that’s the case. My husband gets a lower distance than me on this calculator and he’s a northern Russian with a hefty Siberian percentage (clusters with Russian Krasnoborsky)

Distance to: Husband_scaled
0.17555294 Roma_Balkans

[Petalpusher]

I don’t think that’s the case. My husband gets a lower distance than me on this calculator and he’s a northern Russian with a hefty Siberian percentage (clusters with Russian Krasnoborsky)

Well not individually but it's clear in the list the more "Siberian" you get the more the distance shoots up with the Saami first then Mari and Komi @29 all of a sudden. But individually even if you were to score in some calculators 0.10% South Asian or Oceanian (south asian is really caucasian + Oceanian) then your distance would go down.

My daughter gets 18.5 and she is half Russian (Saint Petersbourg) so likely that side is even more distant.

[Mortimer]

Well not individually but it's clear in the list the more "Siberian" you get the more the distance shoots up with the Saami first then Mari and Komi @29 all of a sudden. But individually even if you were to score in some calculators 0.10% South Asian or Oceanian (south asian is really caucasian + Oceanian) then your distance would go down.

My daughter gets 18.5 and she is half Russian (Saint Petersbourg) so likely that side is even more distant.

i think the southasian hunter gatherer is another race then the oceanian hunter gatherer... or is the southasian hunter gatherer oceanian hunter gatherer + caucasian?

ello. Is AASI the ancestral southasian the same as oceanian
ChatGPT
No, "Ancestral South Asian" (ASI) and "Oceanian" refer to different ancestral groups associated with distinct geographical regions and genetic backgrounds.

The term "Ancestral South Asian" typically refers to one of the ancient populations that contributed to the genetic makeup of modern South Asians. This group is often contrasted with the "Ancestral North Indians" (ANI), and both are believed to have been foundational to the current populations on the Indian subcontinent.

On the other hand, "Oceanian" usually pertains to the indigenous peoples of Oceania, which encompasses the islands of the tropical Pacific Ocean, including Melanesia, Micronesia, and Polynesia. This group has a different genetic lineage that is distinct from the populations of South Asia.

These differences are evident in genetic studies, which show separate ancestral paths and migrations that populated these regions.

[Vessna]

Well not individually but it's clear in the list the more "Siberian" you get the more the distance shoots up with the Saami first then Mari and Komi @29 all of a sudden. But individually even if you were to score in some calculators 0.10% South Asian or Oceanian (south asian is really caucasian + Oceanian) then your distance would go down.

My daughter gets 18.5 and she is half Russian (Saint Petersbourg) so likely that side is even more distant.

Interesting. My husband is from the Ural region of Russia, closest population after Russian Krasnoborsky is Mordvin and Karelian. He definitely has prominent Finn-Uralic ancestry. Genetically, he is closer to a Mordvin than a Belarusian (me).

[Petalpusher]

i think the southasian hunter gatherer is another race then the oceanian hunter gatherer... or is the southasian hunter gatherer oceanian hunter gatherer + caucasian?

ello. Is AASI the ancestral southasian the same as oceanian
ChatGPT
No, "Ancestral South Asian" (ASI) and "Oceanian" refer to different ancestral groups associated with distinct geographical regions and genetic backgrounds.

The term "Ancestral South Asian" typically refers to one of the ancient populations that contributed to the genetic makeup of modern South Asians. This group is often contrasted with the "Ancestral North Indians" (ANI), and both are believed to have been foundational to the current populations on the Indian subcontinent.

On the other hand, "Oceanian" usually pertains to the indigenous peoples of Oceania, which encompasses the islands of the tropical Pacific Ocean, including Melanesia, Micronesia, and Polynesia. This group has a different genetic lineage that is distinct from the populations of South Asia.

These differences are evident in genetic studies, which show separate ancestral paths and migrations that populated these regions.

It's like ANA (Ancient north African) a mix of Caucasian and ancient SSA. Nobody will deny North Africans are part SSA, but some will tell you they are just part ANA. South Asians are mixed with ancient Oceanians, a branch of it.

[Mortimer]

It's like ANA (Ancient north African) a mix of Caucasian and ancient SSA. Nobody will deny North Africans are part SSA. South Asians are mixed with ancient Oceanians, a branch of it.

Illustrative DNA says, southasian hunter gatherer is a distinct population with no west eurasian, so at least there you are wrong, that it is "part caucasian" but i think the oceanian is still another race though, eventhough both are not west eurasian.

[Petalpusher]

Interesting. My husband is from the Ural region of Russia, closest population after Russian Krasnoborsky is Mordvin and Karelian. He definitely has prominent Finn-Uralic ancestry. Genetically, he is closer to a Mordvin than a Belarusian (me).

Her side looks genetically close to a Finn (often French+Finn on Gedmatch). She scores a bit of "East Asian" 1-2%.


Illustrative DNA says, southasian hunter gatherer is a distinct population with no west eurasian, so at least there you are wrong, that it is "part caucasian" but i think the oceanian is still another race though, eventhough both are not west eurasian.

That is for sure, ASE (ancient south Eurasian) as we usually call it have no west Eurasian, since they are most similar to Papuan, Onge and Australoid.

Run K6 gedrosia on Gedmatch and you will see that all the south Asian groups score that ASE. I understand all the made up terms confuse people but it's not that complicated to figure.

[Mortimer]

Svetozar Plemic

Summary
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
45.6%
European Hunter-Gatherer
23.4%
Zagros Neolithic Farmer
11.2%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer
9.8%
Ancient Ancestral South Indian
7.6%
Ancient Ancestral South Indian:
The term Ancient Ancestral South Indian (AASI) refers to a hypothesized peninsular hunter-gatherer population with no West Eurasian ancestry. Recent studies incorporating genomic data from both ancient DNA and present-day South Asians have modeled the formation of the Indian Cline as a combination of three source populations: the Ancient Ancestral South Indians (AASI), a population related to Neolithic farmers in Iran and Middle–Late Bronze Age Steppe populations (Steppe_MLBA).

Jomon Hunter-Gatherer 2.4%

[Vessna]

Her side looks genetically close to a Finn (often French+Finn on Gedmatch). She scores a bit of "East Asian" 1-2%.



That is for sure, ASE (ancient south Eurasian) as we usually call it have no west Eurasian, since they are most similar to Papuan, Onge and Australoid.

Run K6 gedrosia on Gedmatch and you will see that all the south Asian groups score that ASE. I understand all the made up terms confuse people but it's not that complicated to figure.


I score 1% East Asian, my husband scores 5-6%

[Mortimer]

That is for sure, ASE (ancient south Eurasian) as we usually call it have no west Eurasian, since they are most similar to Papuan, Onge and Australoid.

Run K6 gedrosia on Gedmatch and you will see that all the south Asian groups score that ASE. I understand all the made up terms confuse people but it's not that complicated to figure.

I think that if we run K2 then europeans will be similar chinese, doesnt mean they are the same race. ChatGPT says those are two different races. They might be more similar to eatch other then to europeans though.

[Mortimer]

why people claim that aasi are related to oceanian what is the genetic distance between aasi and european and what is the genetic distance between aasi and papuan

ChatGPT
The claim that Ancestral South Asians (AASI) are related to Oceanians, particularly groups like Papuans, often stems from genetic studies showing some common ancestry patterns among ancient populations across Asia and Oceania. This relationship is based on shared genetic markers found in populations across these regions, indicating ancient migrations and gene flow.

Genetic Similarities and Migrations
Out of Africa Migration: Both South Asians and Oceanians descend from the initial waves of modern humans that migrated out of Africa. These migrations eventually led to the peopling of Eurasia and, subsequently, to the settlement of Oceania.

Ancient Ancestral Links: Genetic studies suggest that the ancestors of modern Oceanians (like Papuans) and the Ancestral South Asians shared common ancestral populations in the distant past before migrating in different directions and developing distinct genetic identities.

Genetic Distances
Genetic distance refers to a measure used in population genetics to indicate the genetic divergence between populations. The genetic distance between two populations can be influenced by factors such as geographic separation, different migration paths, and historical isolation.

AASI and Europeans: The genetic distance between Ancestral South Asians and Europeans is relatively significant due to different migration histories and long periods of geographic and reproductive isolation. Europeans primarily descend from ancient populations that moved west into Europe, while AASI remained in the South Asian subcontinent.

AASI and Papuans: The genetic distance between AASI and Papuans is also considerable but might be slightly less than between AASI and Europeans. This is due to the shared ancestry components from early human migrations out of Africa through South Asia to Southeast Asia and eventually to Oceania. Despite this shared component, substantial differences exist because of the distinct evolutionary paths each population took after their initial separation.

Conclusion
While there is a connection in the form of ancient shared ancestry between AASI and Oceanians, they are genetically distinct from each other as well as from Europeans. The exact genetic distances can be quantified using genetic data from modern and ancient DNA studies, which analyze specific genetic markers to map these distances quantitatively. These studies provide a deeper understanding of the genetic relationships and historical migrations that shaped the current human genetic landscape.

[Petalpusher]

I think that if we run K2 then europeans will be similar chinese, doesnt mean they are the same race. ChatGPT says those are two different races. They might be more similar to eatch other then to europeans though.

At K2 we are both ENA (Eastern non Africans) and at K1 we are all Chimps, stop playing dumb.

All south Asians groups are part Oceanian, even some central Asian and the Caucasus has some low level of it, all gypsies are part Oceanian, that's the purple peaking in Papuan here:


https://i.postimg.cc/7PwzGbHb/Lazaridis2014-EDF3-K6.png

[Mortimer]

At K2 we are both ENA (Eastern non Africans) and at K1 we are all Chimps, stop playing dumb.

All south Asians groups are part Oceanian, even some central Asian and the Caucasus has some low level of it, all gypsies are part Oceanian, that's the purple peaking in Papuan here:


https://i.postimg.cc/7PwzGbHb/Lazaridis2014-EDF3-K6.png

Its not "dumb" but you need more Ks, you need a AASI then there wont be Papuan, similar principle. I dont think they are "oceanian" that refers to another race, read one post above. If we now introduce "aasi" the papuan will dissappear, similar as how you can model europeans as chinese or chimps with less Ks. That is not "dumb" at all. To me it makes no sense that kalash or sindhi are mongoloid+papuan+caucasian, that is i guess a wrong model, possible, but a wrong model.

[Petalpusher]

Its not "dumb" but you need more Ks, you need a AASI then there wont be Papuan, similar principle. I dont think they are "oceanian" that refers to another race, read one post above. If we now introduce "aasi" the papuan will dissappear, similar as how you can model europeans as chinese or chimps with less Ks. That is not "dumb" at all. To me it makes no sense that kalash or sindhi are mongoloid+papuan+caucasian, that is i guess a wrong model, possible, but a wrong model.

Yeah like the North Africans you want to hide the "SSA" with ANA. If i introduce ANA, all the north Africans will score that first and foremost. ANA is still made of SSA, which will show when you remove ANA, as it does above with the orange "Yoruba".

K6 is more than enough for deep seated autosomal. There is only 4 main races on the planet but you can separate the SSA in two and add the Amerindians eventually (highly divergent branch of ancient Eurasians)

Lazaridis et al. is right, you are wrong. But you are not wrong, you just can't accept being part Oceanian. The usual.

[Mortimer]

Yeah like the North Africans you want to hide the "SSA" with ANA. If i introduce ANA, all the north Africans will score that first and foremost. ANA is still made of SSA, which will show when you remove ANA.

K6 is more than enough for deep seated autosomal. There is only 4 main races on the planet but you can separate the SSA in two and add the Amerindian eventually.

Lazaridis is right, you are wrong. But you are not wrong, you just can't accept being part Oceanian. The usual.

I dont have a problem with being part oceanian, i think its not correct what you say, i just think there is much more diversity in that part of the world what is referred to oceanian or historically by europeans such as you, then even among europeans and menas, i dont want to hide anything im just sure its not "oceanian" as in papuan, melanesian and aboriginal there are reconstructions posted and they look nothing like that, and im not sure if the 4 race model is not outdated or if its wrong or impossible that there could be more then 4 evolutionary races. It seems some indians are alot yellow mongoloid too, i dont think that makes sense, even if you think it makes sense they are papuan because of their dark skin and some features.

[Mortimer]

Yeah like the North Africans you want to hide the "SSA" with ANA. If i introduce ANA, all the north Africans will score that first and foremost. ANA is still made of SSA, which will show when you remove ANA, as it does above with the orange "Yoruba".

K6 is more than enough for deep seated autosomal. There is only 4 main races on the planet but you can separate the SSA in two and add the Amerindians eventually (highly divergent branch of ancient Eurasians)

Lazaridis et al. is right, you are wrong. But you are not wrong, you just can't accept being part Oceanian. The usual.

Conclusion
While there is a connection in the form of ancient shared ancestry between AASI and Oceanians, they are genetically distinct from each other as well as from Europeans. The exact genetic distances can be quantified using genetic data from modern and ancient DNA studies, which analyze specific genetic markers to map these distances quantitatively. These studies provide a deeper understanding of the genetic relationships and historical migrations that shaped the current human genetic landscape.

[majevica]

Distance to: scaled
0.14540529 Roma_Balkans

[Dušan]

Distance to: Dušan_scaled
0.14671457 Roma_Balkans

[Mortimer]

Distance to: scaled
0.14540529 Roma_Balkans

Hey mate why do you call yourself mixed now? I thought you are full serb?

[rothaer]

That is for sure, ASE (ancient south Eurasian) as we usually call it have no west Eurasian, since they are most similar to Papuan, Onge and Australoid.

Run K6 gedrosia on Gedmatch and you will see that all the south Asian groups score that ASE. I understand all the made up terms confuse people but it's not that complicated to figure.

The three mentioned groups may be connected by ASE but there is a huge trench between Onge on one hand and Papuan and Australoid on the other hand. The latter have abt. 8% "homo erectus" (Neanderthal and Denisovan) while the first have the common abt. 2%.

[rothaer]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.1190% / 0.02118952
100.0 Spain&Portugal

Target: Father
Distance: 12.0645% / 0.12064524
52.4 Spain&Portugal
41.0 Brahmin_Rajasthan
6.6 Roma_Balkans

Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 2.1552% / 0.02155236
100.0 Spain&Portugal


WTF

There must be something wrong.

The father's modelling means that he must have a bigger distance than 12% to Spain&Portugal. Maybe you by accident corrupted something in his coords.

[Petalpusher]

The three mentioned groups may be connected by ASE but there is a huge trench between Onge on one hand and Papuan and Australoid on the other hand. The latter have abt. 8% "homo erectus" (Neanderthal and Denisovan) while the first have the common abt. 2%.

It's clear Australoid in particular have on top of it, admixture from a ghost archaic, it's been suggested several times in studies, and it's visibly...visible i would say. It doesn't change the fact however, south Asians are admixed with a particular branch that steamed from Oceanians. People in southermost India really start to look like quadroons/mulattos of Caucasians and Oceanians, because that's what they actually are. Some leaning more to Onge in look, some more to Papuan.

I don't know if you have seen this dstat run but this explains the high distance for Lithuanians and even more Sardianians (and EN rich in general) to any Oceanian admixed group, which is the case of Romas. LBK early neolithic is even the most removed by far. For those not familiar with it, everything below Kostenki reads as "less similar to Chimps than Papuans" (check dstat line)

https://i.postimg.cc/FmJxG3vc/Capturedtc1.png


Also consistent with Eurogenes fst

'West med' being the most "unrelated" of all the European components, to both Oceanians and SSA.

1. Sub-Saharan @ 0
2. Northeast_African @ 42
3. S_Asian @ 131
4. East_med @ 132
5. Red_Sea @ 139
6. W_Asian @ 139
7. Eastern @ 142
8. Atlantic @ 144
9. North_Sea @ 144
10. Baltic @ 148
11. West_med @ 149


1. Oceanian @ 0
2. S_Asian @ 145
3. SE_Asian @ 166
4. Eastern @ 173
5. East_med @ 174
6. W_Asian @ 176
7. North_Sea @ 178
8. Siberian @ 178
9. Atlantic @ 179
10. Baltic @ 181
11. West_med @ 188


Distance to "South Asian":

West Asian @ 53
East Med @ 55
Eastern @ 56
North Sea @ 60
Atlantic @ 62
West Med @ 75

[Gallop]

There must be something wrong.

The father's modelling means that he must have a bigger distance than 12% to Spain&Portugal. Maybe you by accident corrupted something in his coords.




I checked it and in some copy and paste in the early hours of the morning I had eaten half of its coordinates, as for safety I had another replica of the coordinates is already solved.

It is still a little more distance even than my brother and I.


Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.15667160 Roma_Balkans

Distance to: Father_scaled
0.16062484 Roma_Balkans

Distance to: brother_scaled
0.15814271 Roma_Balkans



With all:

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.6014% / 0.02601370
100.0 Spain&Portugal

[Mortimer]

It's clear Australoid in particular have on top of it, admixture from a ghost archaic, it's been suggested several times in studies, and it's visibly...visible i would say. It doesn't change the fact however, south Asians are admixed with a particular branch that steamed from Oceanians.

After I asked Chat GPT and what i know i think thats wrong, that southasians steam from a "branch of oceanians" as if they have been aboriginals and then came to southasia, it seems they are part of the same migration and ancestors which give birth to both southasians and oceanians on top of that, oceanians have more recent southasian admixture as well. I think the reason why some tribals look australoid or quadroon is another component then aasi, there are also other components in southasian the iran farmer - steppe - aasi, which all southasians are but on top of that some tribals have other admixtures as well, which came from somewhere else and are more recent, like mongoloid tribals just as example, the same might be the case for negroid/australoid looking tribals and they do look very different then a generic indid look. i think thats why its wrong what you say. eventhough it has some basis. but you say it wrong.

[Mortimer]

can you draw a reconstruction image of a early aasi thanks

Here is a reconstruction image of an early Ancestral South Asian individual. This depiction shows the individual in a natural setting typical of ancient South Asia.

https://i.ibb.co/7g11Js4/DALL-E-2024-06-25-10-07-00-A-historical-reconstruction-of-an-early-Ancestral-South-Asian-individual.webp (https://ibb.co/yhQQnHS)
https://i.ibb.co/jDZN7R3/DALL-E-2024-06-25-10-06-51-A-historical-reconstruction-of-an-early-Ancestral-South-Asian-individual.webp (https://ibb.co/CQscx2V)



When considering the physical differences between Ancestral South Asian (AASI) and early Oceanian individuals, it's important to remember that both groups exhibit a range of features reflecting their unique evolutionary histories and adaptations to their environments. Here are some general distinctions based on anthropological and genetic studies:

Skin Color
AASI: Typically, AASI individuals would have had varying shades of brown skin. The specific tone could range from lighter to darker brown, influenced by the climatic conditions of the Indian subcontinent.
Oceanian: Early Oceanian individuals, especially those from regions like Papua New Guinea and nearby islands, generally exhibit darker skin tones. This adaptation is likely a result of living in equatorial, sun-rich environments which favor higher melanin production for UV protection.
Hair Texture
AASI: The hair texture of AASI individuals is generally straight to wavy. This feature would be consistent with other populations from the broader Asian continent.
Oceanian: Oceanians, particularly from Melanesia, are notable for their naturally curly or frizzy hair, a trait that is distinctively different from most other Asian populations. This hair type is an adaptation that may provide benefits in tropical climates.
Facial Features
AASI: Ancestral South Asians might have had a mix of facial features, including broader noses and rounded faces, reflecting a diverse genetic background influenced by multiple waves of migration.
Oceanian: Early Oceanians often have more pronounced facial features, including broader noses and stronger jawlines, which can be attributed to their long isolation and genetic drift in island environments.
Body Physique
AASI: The body build of AASI individuals is likely to be slender to medium, adapted to a range of environments from forests to plains.
Oceanian: Oceanian individuals often display a robust physique, which might be an adaptation to their physically demanding lifestyle, including long-distance sea voyaging and subsistence practices like hunting and fishing.
These differences are a result of each group adapting over thousands of years to their respective environments, diets, and lifestyles. Moreover, there is considerable variability within each group due to the diverse and isolated nature of the populations within these regions.

[frankhammer]

Distance to: fh_scaled
0.16796102 Roma_Balkans

[rothaer]

It's clear Australoid in particular have on top of it, admixture from a ghost archaic, it's been suggested several times in studies, and it's visibly...visible i would say. It doesn't change the fact however, south Asians are admixed with a particular branch that steamed from Oceanians. People in southermost India really start to look like quadroons/mulattos of Caucasians and Oceanians, because that's what they actually are. Some leaning more to Onge in look, some more to Papuan.

I don't know if you have seen this dstat run but this explains the high distance for Lithuanians and even more Sardianians (and EN rich in general) to any Oceanian admixed group, which is the case of Romas. LBK early neolithic is even the most removed by far. For those not familiar with it, everything below Kostenki reads as "less similar to Chimps than Papuans" (check dstat line)

https://i.postimg.cc/FmJxG3vc/Capturedtc1.png


Also consistent with Eurogenes fst

'West med' being the most "unrelated" of all the European components, to both Oceanians and SSA.

1. Sub-Saharan @ 0
2. Northeast_African @ 42
3. S_Asian @ 131
4. East_med @ 132
5. Red_Sea @ 139
6. W_Asian @ 139
7. Eastern @ 142
8. Atlantic @ 144
9. North_Sea @ 144
10. Baltic @ 148
11. West_med @ 149


1. Oceanian @ 0
2. S_Asian @ 145
3. SE_Asian @ 166
4. Eastern @ 173
5. East_med @ 174
6. W_Asian @ 176
7. North_Sea @ 178
8. Siberian @ 178
9. Atlantic @ 179
10. Baltic @ 181
11. West_med @ 188


Distance to "South Asian":

West Asian @ 53
East Med @ 55
Eastern @ 56
North Sea @ 60
Atlantic @ 62
West Med @ 75

Thanks. I first had to think of what "less similar to Chimps than Papuans" means: "less similar to Chimps than (similar to) Papuans" or "less similar to Chimps than (what) Papuans (are to Chimps)"? But I understand that it must be the latter.

Yes. And Papuan and Oceanian or not: Gypsies simply are also an "eastern" thing while Wed Med (essentially ENF) is a pretty "western" thing.

Geography would suggest that WHG is even more distant, but that is obviously not the case (cf. Loschbour). Probably ENF is more progressive with more later genetic drifts resulting in having the biggest distance. This would make sense, as the ENF have significantly changed their way of life, which will have resulted in selection pressure in completely new biological directions.

[Mortimer]

Thanks. I first had to think of what "less similar to Chimps than Papuans" means: "less similar to Chimps than (similar to) Papuans" or "less similar to Chimps than (what) Papuans (are to Chimps)"? But I understand that it must be the latter.


He says chimps are closer then papuans, it seems he hates papuans/oceanians and SSA and he projects that on gypsies, similar to the italian-chinese guy who calls me abbo. I think he is biased not me. I think i say the whole thing, in its complexity, he says some simplified half true things.

[Petalpusher]

He says chimps are closer then papuans, it seems he hates papuans/oceanians and SSA and he projects that on gypsies, similar to the italian-chinese guy who calls me abbo. I think he is biased not me. I think i say the whole thing, in its complexity, he says some simplified half true things.

That's not what the dstats say, SSA are closer to Chimps than Papuans.

If i was a Korean kpop singer mixed with an Algonquin chieftain, i would tell you the same. It's called reason vs emotion.

[rothaer]

He says chimps are closer then papuans, it seems he hates papuans/oceanians and SSA and he projects that on gypsies, similar to the italian-chinese guy who calls me abbo. I think he is biased not me. I think i say the whole thing, in its complexity, he says some simplified half true things.

Just observe what exactly he states. It's factual and it's not him that has invented monkeys for comparison. This is a meaningful and commonly accepted procedure in genetics.

[Petalpusher]

Just observe what exactly he states. It's factual and it's not him that has invented monkeys for comaprison. This is a meaningful and commonly accepted procedure in genetics.

It's of course a routine practice used for outgroups/targets in genetic sutdies.


https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sergi-Civit-Vives/publication/232321487/figure/fig5/AS:340773728997391@1458258196358/PCA-analysis-of-North-African-Sub-Saharan-European-and-Asian-populations-Upper-right.png

Here they just used Chimp, Nean/Deniso to triangulate. Same results, SSA closer (slightly of course), followed by NA, East Asian (could be surprising) and finally Europeans.

[rothaer]

It's of course a routine practice used for outrgroups/targets in genetic sutdies.


https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sergi-Civit-Vives/publication/232321487/figure/fig5/AS:340773728997391@1458258196358/PCA-analysis-of-North-African-Sub-Saharan-European-and-Asian-populations-Upper-right.png

Here they just used Chimp, Nean/Deniso to triangulate. Same results, SSA closer (slightly of course), followed by NA, East Asian (could be surprising) and finally Europeans.

It's a pity that there's seemingly no Papuan or Australian in the PCA. I can not identify all abbrevations, though.

[Mortimer]

That's not what the dstats say, SSA are closer to Chimps than Papuans.

If i was a Korean kpop singer mixed with an Algonquin chieftain, i would tell you the same. It's called reason vs emotion.

I was misunderstanding what you said, i thought you say you are closer to a chimp then to a papuan. Im not emotional about it all, i thought you are saying this and that you are emotional about it. I think I spoke neutral, but you seemed two or three times "passive-agressive" for example when you said "i just denie that im part oceanian, as usual" that was a bit of a ad hominem, or playing on emotional basis right or wrong? I dont think I played on the emotional basis, just trying to observe what you say and feel. It seems to you feel strongly about certain groups, that was my observation, but i misunderstood what you said. Sorry. Anyways I like you though, so i dont want to fight you.

[Mortimer]

Just observe what exactly he states. It's factual and it's not him that has invented monkeys for comparison. This is a meaningful and commonly accepted procedure in genetics.

I misunderstood what he said, but i was not emotional about it, i just thought i observe that he feels strongly about certain groups, but anyways he didnt invented it and i misunderstood it. sorry.

[Petalpusher]

It's a pity that there's seemingly no Papuan or Australian in the PCA. I can not identify all abbrevations, though.

There are a few im not sure off the top of my head but it's more about the general grouping than really trying to figure such minimal differences within the groups. Based on GIH Gujarati, i would expect Oceanians to be somewhere between NA and SSA. dstats spoil that too.

For others wondering in any cases:

Green: Iberians, Basques light green, TSI=Tuscans, CEU=Utah English & Germans.
Purple : Chineses and Japaneses, GIH Gujarati
Red : North Africans (Algeria, Tunisia, Lybia, Egypt, Mozabite, Saharawi..)
Blue : African Yoruba, Kenyans,.. (Pygmies are closer in dstats than Yoruba)

[Kostek]

Distance to: Kostek_scaled
0.17406059 Roma_Balkans

[Ajeje Brazorf]

"Purest" gypsies


Roma_Balkans:GS000014352,0.087644,0.054839,-0.07203,0.026809,-0.026466,0.013666,-0.00094,0.004154,0.016771,0.017312,-0.002761,0.00015,0.002825,0.006193,-0.009093,-0.004243,0.003651,0.005068,0.000754,-0.002501,-0.001996,-0.002226,-0.001849,-0.001325,-0.003832
chris000009_scaled,0.091058,0.057885,-0.078818,0.01938,-0.022773,0.015897,-0.00329,0.003923,0.020248,0.02041,-0.000487,-0.001349,0.000892,0.012937,-0.013843,-0.001856,0.011735,0.001774,0.003142,0.007379,-0.002121,-0.003462,-0.001972,-0.003374,-0.000838

[rothaer]

"Purest" gypsies


Roma_Balkans:GS000014352,0.087644,0.054839,-0.07203,0.026809,-0.026466,0.013666,-0.00094,0.004154,0.016771,0.017312,-0.002761,0.00015,0.002825,0.006193,-0.009093,-0.004243,0.003651,0.005068,0.000754,-0.002501,-0.001996,-0.002226,-0.001849,-0.001325,-0.003832
chris000009_scaled,0.091058,0.057885,-0.078818,0.01938,-0.022773,0.015897,-0.00329,0.003923,0.020248,0.02041,-0.000487,-0.001349,0.000892,0.012937,-0.013843,-0.001856,0.011735,0.001774,0.003142,0.007379,-0.002121,-0.003462,-0.001972,-0.003374,-0.000838

Thanks.

Target: Roma_Balkans:GS000014352
Distance: 7.2776% / 0.07277631
32.6 ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.0 CHG=GEO_CHG
23.8 S_Asian_HG=Jarawa
12.2 EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
4.4 Natufian=Levant_Natufian

Target: chris000009_scaled
Distance: 7.4761% / 0.07476060
35.0 ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.0 CHG=GEO_CHG
24.2 S_Asian_HG=Jarawa
9.4 EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
4.4 Natufian=Levant_Natufian

Target: Roma_Balkans (average)
Distance: 6.2473% / 0.06247298
35.6 ENF=Anatolia_Barcin_N
25.2 CHG=GEO_CHG
21.0 S_Asian_HG=Jarawa
14.4 EHG=RUS_Karelia_HG
3.8 Natufian=Levant_Natufian

Yep. But they do not yet seem "disqualify" the used Davidski average...

[leachim_x]

Distance to: Micha_simulated_g25_scaled
0.16467990 Roma_Balkans

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Jarawas are too "extreme", it's better to use more intermediate sources like this one to represent South Asian HG.


Paniya:PY-6,0.012521,-0.169593,-0.188183,0.142444,-0.049548,0.057173,-0.008225,0.017538,0.096944,0.059409,0.008931,0.001 049,-0.002527,0.018579,-0.025651,-0.03739,0.005737,0.002154,0.001006,0.031015,0.0061 14,0.01422,-0.012078,0.00482,-0.008263

[rothaer]

Jarawas are too "extreme", it's better to use more intermediate sources like this one to represent South Asian HG.


Paniya:PY-6,0.012521,-0.169593,-0.188183,0.142444,-0.049548,0.057173,-0.008225,0.017538,0.096944,0.059409,0.008931,0.001 049,-0.002527,0.018579,-0.025651,-0.03739,0.005737,0.002154,0.001006,0.031015,0.0061 14,0.01422,-0.012078,0.00482,-0.008263

I discussed this calculator with Davidski and had first Hakkipikki for this component. Davindski told that they were too "un-pure". After in the modelling the most suitable component is picked and all other components are also "extreme" is see no danger in using Jarawa.

That you - admittedly - will have a model with a worse fit is another story. The calculator's aim is only to determine as correct as possible proportions.

[Petalpusher]

I discussed this calculator with Davidski and had first Hakkipikki for this component. Davindski told that they were too "un-pure". After in the modelling the most suitable component is picked and all other components are also "extreme" is see no danger in using Jarawa.

That you - admittedly - will have a model with a worse fit is another story. The calculator's aim is only to determine as correct as possible proportions.

Did some Papuans significantly degrade the fit compared to Onge Jarawa?

[Nurzat]

northern and northeastern Romanians:

Distance to: Nurzat_dad
0.02360073 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02521591 Hungarian
0.03035645 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03337762 Czech
0.03396946 Austrian
0.03722025 Slovak
0.03944705 German_Erlangen
0.03963470 German_East
0.04029146 Polish_Silesian
0.04774907 Romanian
0.14486412 Roma_Balkans

Distance to: Nurzat
0.02518911 Hungarian
0.02811488 Austrian
0.03000028 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.03213816 Romanian
0.03653310 German_Erlangen
0.03945077 Czech
0.03991928 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.04079267 Slovak
0.04166181 German_East
0.04539051 Polish_Silesian
0.14041144 Roma_Balkans

[ScandinavianCelt]

Distance to: Roma_Balkans:GS000014352
0.07624165 Persian:Persian_Khorasan_o_(Hither-Pashtun_Profile)
0.07731308 Persian:Persian_Khorasan
0.08800199 Persian:Persian_Bandari
0.08902789 East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_Tehran
0.09075817 Persian:Persian
0.09106053 East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_East_Azerbaijan_Tabriz
0.09261173 North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iran_Kermanshah
0.09290787 Persian:Persian_Fars_Shiraz
0.09312512 Anatolia:Turkish_Southwest
0.09382585 Persian:Persian_Fars

vs Rajasthan;

Distance to: Rajput_Rajasthan
0.09515410 Persian:Persian_Khorasan_o_(Hither-Pashtun_Profile)
0.12366622 Persian:Persian_Bandari
0.13806880 Persian:Persian_Khorasan
0.16535923 Persian:Persian_Fars_Shiraz
0.16802003 Persian:Persian_Fars
0.17022034 Persian:Persian_Isfahan
0.17076461 North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iran_Kermanshah
0.17208065 Persian:Persian
0.17240175 East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_Tehran
0.17432671 East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_East_Azerbaijan_Tabriz

Distance to: Gujar_Rajasthan
0.10799256 Persian:Persian_Khorasan_o_(Hither-Pashtun_Profile)
0.13737947 Persian:Persian_Bandari
0.15168081 Persian:Persian_Khorasan
0.17813936 Persian:Persian_Fars_Shiraz
0.18087664 Persian:Persian_Fars
0.18308239 Persian:Persian_Isfahan
0.18348957 North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iran_Kermanshah
0.18426420 Persian:Persian
0.18456379 East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_Tehran
0.18662925 East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_East_Azerbaijan_Tabriz

Distance to: Brahmin_Rajasthan
0.10808091 Persian:Persian_Khorasan_o_(Hither-Pashtun_Profile)
0.14213132 Persian:Persian_Bandari
0.15404115 Persian:Persian_Khorasan
0.18016153 Persian:Persian_Fars_Shiraz
0.18241324 Persian:Persian_Fars
0.18482214 East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_Tehran
0.18482758 North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iran_Kermanshah
0.18486896 Persian:Persian_Isfahan
0.18530793 Persian:Persian
0.18757400 East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_East_Azerbaijan_Tabriz

[Gallop]

#70

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.17283282 Roma_Balkans:GS000014352
0.17540605 chris000009_scaled

Distance to: Father_scaled
0.17708707 Roma_Balkans:GS000014352
0.17964825 chris000009_scaled

Distance to: brother_scaled
0.17431820 Roma_Balkans:GS000014352
0.17634349 chris000009_scaled

[noricum]

Distance to: G25noricum_scaled
0.15931199 Roma_Balkans


https://youtu.be/8oF8SlK9x_I?si=n_Is9DsO8a5cYf1W

[vader]

Distance to: Me_scaled
0.15037728 Roma_Balkans


Distance to: Wife_scaled
0.30435086 Roma_Balkans

[#Oda#]

...

Whenever I got used to one of your photos, there's a new one soon after.
This is really really hard, Mortimer - again and again these little shock moments.

[Upsilander]

Distance to: Upsilander23andme
0.17548899 Roma_Balkans