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Eurafricanid
07-21-2024, 01:14 AM
Trully Perfect Iberian Calculator Scaled
Components:
West_Iberian,0.0963344,0.146303,0.0336107,-0.0068191,0.0405902,-0.0039301,-0.0047567,0.0008416,0.0279896,0.0300009,-0.0011925,0.0057125,-0.0098991,-0.0125291,0.0100585,-0.0011149,-0.0028005,-0.0025431,-0.0074222,0.0001889,0.0013987,-0.0044756,0.0004319,-0.0029717,0.0010075
East_Iberian,0.1225169,0.1458948,0.0403182,0.00219 24,0.0411158,-0.0003115,0.0016269,0.0024554,0.0155636,0.0253118,-0.0036079,0.0066518,-0.0143051,-0.0084382,0.0047848,0.0004337,-0.000115,0.0010993,0.0018223,-0.0027766,0.0005468,0.0019472,-0.0012498,0.0009503,-0.0019027
Basque,0.1286386,0.1504035,0.0549249,0.0088106,0.0 546738,0.0010242,-0.0014038,0.0019324,0.0289776,0.0411088,-0.006079,0.0108593,-0.0217081,-0.0165234,0.014478,0.0015578,-0.0061444,0.0016589,-0.0009634,-0.004041,0.0077842,0.0002593,-0.0072822,-0.0078643,0.0021092
LATAM / African / Amerindian:
African,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
African,-0.6226124,0.064486,0.022863,0.0170382,0.0029622,0. 009273,-0.0229135,0.0268834,-0.0388084,0.0279276,0.0057446,-0.0050392,0.0177835,0.0005161,0.0102468,-0.0072759,0.0094202,0.0066352,0.001037,-0.0003909,0.0030572,0.0013138,-0.003374,-0.0002561,-0.0001798
African,-0.61436,0.063534,0.019422,0.014071,0.00075,0.00906 4,-0.035178,0.038436,-0.032136,0.023292,0.003004,-0.000796,0.017142,-0.001075,0.01252,-0.009969,0.009632,-0.001679,-0.00363,-0.000289,-0.001848,-0.003524,0.00104,-0.001988,0.001078
African,-0.628304,0.064994,0.020365,0.017442,-0.000615,0.016176,-0.016451,0.020076,-0.033746,0.020228,0.008607,-0.003147,-0.001933,0.001514,-0.006786,0.00769,-0.009648,0.00114,0.001257,0.003502,-0.002496,-0.000989,0.001109,-0.001084,-0.006826
African,-0.6257428,0.0634707,0.021307,0.0155848,0.0039238,0 .0096915,0.0056988,0.001096,-0.023469,0.0098405,0.0056837,-0.003072,-0.0103318,0.001858,-0.0126558,0.0168058,-0.0075622,0.041839,-0.0199858,0.00247,-0.0024645,-0.0002163,0.003451,-0.0046992,0.0010178
American_Native,0.0537815,-0.3249695,0.109931,0.0731195,-0.104558,-0.017431,-0.1901235,-0.2246445,-0.007491,-0.0227795,0.0093375,-0.0046645,0.0070985,-0.000413,-0.0137755,-0.003149,-0.000587,0.0029295,0.010747,0.0086445,0.0040555,-0.010078,0.001941,0.005573,0.007754
American_Native,0.048944,-0.307705,0.118039,0.099161,-0.108636,-0.014223,-0.309039,-0.3616,-0.019634,-0.020593,-0.015914,-0.002847,0.006392,0.013212,-0.008822,0.007027,0.00678,0.002154,0.00352,-0.00075,-0.001996,0.012365,-0.004067,-0.000964,-0.006227
ONLY For Recently West Eurasian-Mixed Iberians (use only the ones for your ancestry)
Germanic / Northwestern Euro-Mixed
Non-Iberian_(Northwestern_Profile),0.132401,0.1318281, 0.0675885,0.0550622,0.0393119,0.0212902,0.0039044, 0.0076625,0.0033081,-0.0010461,-0.0055172,0.0040496,-0.0072074,-0.0084929,0.0212202,0.0051441,-0.0100634,0.0020316,0.0020265,0.0034568,0.0075792, 0.0024741,-0.0003408,0.0129631,0.0004748
Balkans / Balto-Slavic / South-Central Italian / Jewish / WANA-Mixed:
Non-Iberian_(Northeastern_Profile),0.1328478,0.126159, 0.075883,0.0686358,0.0411982,0.026005,0.0101712,0. 012281,-0.0010768,-0.0246482,-0.0037418,-0.008967,0.0171832,0.0239668,-0.008968,-0.000216,0.0012098,-0.000039,0.0027848,0.0014562,-0.0033218,-0.0041398,0.0070018,-0.0057132,0.0007882
Non-Iberian_(West_Asian_Profile),0.0821045,0.124381,-0.0652625,-0.0599398,-0.0358942,-0.0198852,0.0011855,-0.0065728,-0.018251,-0.0153535,0.004189,-0.0061028,0.0129035,0.0034498,0.0046225,0.009094,-0.0066242,0.0003782,-0.0006372,0.0070038,0.0086282,0.0031702,-0.0017752,-0.003856,-0.0005728
North African-Mixed:
Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile),-0.1222461,0.1272839,-0.0001224,-0.0729536,0.0283555,-0.030319,-0.0360652,0.0108718,0.0743802,0.0332648,0.0094287,-0.0088421,0.022946,-0.0154826,0.0202428,-0.0161095,0.0030104,-0.027873,-0.0514294,0.0124654,-0.0203142,-0.0495355,0.0288708,-0.0056935,0.0102369
https://i.imgur.com/O3inZgi.png
Beowulf
07-21-2024, 01:18 AM
Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0151% / 0.01514958
81.5 East_Iberian
10.1 Non-Iberian_(Northwestern_Profile)
8.4 Non-Iberian_(Northeastern_Profile)
Jingle Bell
07-21-2024, 01:22 AM
Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.7755% / 0.01775517
48.0 West_Iberian
44.2 African
4.2 Non-Iberian_(West_Asian_Profile)
2.6 American_Native
1.0 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
Target: Dad_Simulated
Distance: 1.2007% / 0.01200698
52.2 West_Iberian
35.6 African
5.8 Non-Iberian_(West_Asian_Profile)
5.4 American_Native
1.0 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
Eurafricanid
07-21-2024, 01:24 AM
Even though all of the components plot pretty distant and outside of any Iberian population their closest populations are still Iberians, which is very cool!
<tbody style="scrollbar-width: auto; scrollbar-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.467) rgba(28, 28, 28, 0);">
Distance to:
Basque
0.00752742
Basque_Spanish
0.00761078
Basque_Lower_Navarre
0.00857244
Basque_Roncal
0.00922727
Basque_Navarre_North
0.00933558
Basque_Gipuzkoa
</tbody>
<tbody style="scrollbar-width: auto; scrollbar-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.467) rgba(28, 28, 28, 0);">
Distance to:
East_Iberian
0.00857955
Spanish_Mallorca
0.01165697
Spanish_Girona
0.01224603
Spanish_Penedes
0.01225414
Spanish_Baleares
0.01231757
Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
</tbody>
<tbody style="scrollbar-width: auto; scrollbar-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.467) rgba(28, 28, 28, 0);">
Distance to:
West_Iberian
0.01269275
Portuguese
0.01294258
Spanish_Extremadura
0.01657846
Spanish_Andalucia
0.01709629
Spanish_Galicia
0.01832496
Spanish_Canarias
</tbody>
Eurafricanid
07-21-2024, 01:29 AM
Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.7755% / 0.01775517
48.0 West_Iberian
44.2 African
4.2 Non-Iberian_(West_Asian_Profile)
2.6 American_Native
1.0 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
Target: Dad_Simulated
Distance: 1.2007% / 0.01200698
52.2 West_Iberian
35.6 African
5.8 Non-Iberian_(West_Asian_Profile)
5.4 American_Native
1.0 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
Interesting... do you have recent ancestry for these non-iberian populations?
Jingle Bell
07-21-2024, 01:34 AM
Interesting... do you have recent ancestry for these non-iberian populations?
Far i know, i only have portuguese (especially northern & central), western & central african (which can also carry some MENA depending of the tribe), indigenous from Bahia, and distant andaluzian, also possibly some cristão-novo/jewish, preserves by endogamy by the centuries.
Jingle Bell
07-21-2024, 01:35 AM
Far i know, i only have portuguese (especially northern & central), western & central african (which can also carry some MENA depending of the tribe), indigenous from Bahia, and distant andaluzian, also possibly some cristão-novo/jewish, preserves by endogamy by the centuries.
Just with the Iberian samples:
Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.9022% / 0.01902222
52.8 West_Iberian
44.6 African
2.6 American_Native
Target: Dad_Simulated
Distance: 1.5138% / 0.01513776
58.2 West_Iberian
36.2 African
5.6 American_Native
Eurafricanid
07-21-2024, 01:38 AM
Just with the Iberian samples:
Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.9022% / 0.01902222
52.8 West_Iberian
44.6 African
2.6 American_Native
Target: Dad_Simulated
Distance: 1.5138% / 0.01513776
58.2 West_Iberian
36.2 African
5.6 American_Native
YES! That's exactly what I wanted to see! looks really good.
Eurafricanid
07-21-2024, 01:44 AM
Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 2.1447% / 0.02144714
72.2 East_Iberian
27.8 West_Iberian
Fabricius
07-21-2024, 01:58 AM
"ONLY For Recently West Eurasian-Mixed Iberians (use only the ones for your ancestry)"
Well, I have 0 Amerindian or African great-grandparents, but it would be unrealistic to exclude them, right?
Likewise, I will not exclude any European region, nor the North African one, which I probably have.
I'm sorry if this seems like an affront, but for my atypical case, it works like this.
And I want to play too.
Feel free to interpret like MyHeritage 2 hehehehe
Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.6594% / 0.00659413
64.6 East_Iberian
14.0 Non-Iberian_(Northeastern_Profile)
8.0 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
5.4 African
3.4 Non-Iberian_(West_Asian_Profile)
2.6 Basque
1.6 West_Iberian
0.4 American_Native
Fabricius
07-21-2024, 02:01 AM
"ONLY For Recently West Eurasian-Mixed Iberians (use only the ones for your ancestry)"
Well, I have 0 Amerindian or African great-grandparents, but it would be unrealistic to exclude them, right?
Likewise, I will not exclude any European region, nor the North African one, which I probably have.
I'm sorry if this seems like an affront, but for my atypical case, it works like this.
And I want to play too.
Feel free to interpret like MyHeritage 2 hehehehe
Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.6594% / 0.00659413
64.6 East_Iberian
14.0 Non-Iberian_(Northeastern_Profile)
8.0 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
5.4 African
3.4 Non-Iberian_(West_Asian_Profile)
2.6 Basque
1.6 West_Iberian
0.4 American_Native
Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.04576637 West_Iberian
0.06462352 East_Iberian
0.08447523 Basque
0.10211726 Non-Iberian_(Northwestern_Profile)
0.12360507 Non-Iberian_(Northeastern_Profile)
0.15480843 Non-Iberian_(West_Asian_Profile)
0.23601914 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
0.23601914 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
0.57651218 American_Native
0.68101913 American_Native
0.68526512 African
0.69296392 African
0.69639880 African
0.69784921 African
0.70350579 African
Sovanz
07-21-2024, 02:34 AM
So what's the difference with this one?
Target: Sovanz_scaled
Distance: 1.8895% / 0.01889477
57.8 West_Iberian
40.0 American_Native
2.2 African
vader
07-21-2024, 02:35 AM
Target: Me_scaled
Distance: 2.5849% / 0.02584943
90.0 West_Iberian
5.2 Basque
4.8 East_Iberian
With the latam stuff:
Target: Me_scaled
Distance: 2.5098% / 0.02509790
71.4 West_Iberian
14.4 East_Iberian
12.6 Basque
1.2 African
0.4 American_Native
Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 2.1902% / 0.02190169
49.6 American_Native
47.6 West_Iberian
2.8 African
Eurafricanid
07-21-2024, 02:48 AM
So what's the difference with this one?
Target: Sovanz_scaled
Distance: 1.8895% / 0.01889477
57.8 West_Iberian
40.0 American_Native
2.2 African
The difference is that with this model, basically all iberian populations fit inside of a plot of these components.
Eurafricanid
07-21-2024, 03:16 AM
"ONLY For Recently West Eurasian-Mixed Iberians (use only the ones for your ancestry)"
Well, I have 0 Amerindian or African great-grandparents, but it would be unrealistic to exclude them, right?
Likewise, I will not exclude any European region, nor the North African one, which I probably have.
I'm sorry if this seems like an affront, but for my atypical case, it works like this.
And I want to play too.
Feel free to interpret like MyHeritage 2 hehehehe
Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.6594% / 0.00659413
64.6 East_Iberian
14.0 Non-Iberian_(Northeastern_Profile)
8.0 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
5.4 African
3.4 Non-Iberian_(West_Asian_Profile)
2.6 Basque
1.6 West_Iberian
0.4 American_Native
No, it wouldn't because although LATAM don't have grandparents or great-grandparents, they do have a history of recent admixture within the americas, but it's fine if you want to get innacurate results, using Non-Iberian components withou actually having those ancestries is just going to take components out from the Iberian plot.
This is the Iberian plot:
https://i.imgur.com/O3inZgi.png
Full-res:
https://i.imgur.com/bU6v8Dw.png
As you can see here, all the iberian populations fit within the triangle, now look at this plot:
https://i.imgur.com/6WTSTxv.png
(zoomed in)
https://i.imgur.com/1d3zAZX.png
This is the plot with all the non-Iberian components (except fot the african and amerindian), see how the iberian triangle is significantly shifted because of the added components.
Instead of only being compared to the components necessary to the calculator, it's going to use anything father away and then counterballance with something on the opposite direction, like this:
https://i.imgur.com/NHm4u4o.png
Here I have a mix of all the non-Iberian samples that plots within the iberian triangle, but has nothing to do with other iberians.
<tbody style="scrollbar-width: auto; scrollbar-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.467) rgba(28, 28, 28, 0);">
Distance to:
North_African+West_Asian+Northwestern
0.03514039
Afrikaner
0.04679479
French_Nord
0.04693181
French_Alsace
0.04712382
BelgianC
0.04736308
BelgianB
</tbody>
And then, if we take all the non-iberian components out, it plots very distantly from them:
https://i.imgur.com/V2kBj5S.png
Sovanz
07-21-2024, 03:27 AM
Target: Me_scaled
Distance: 2.5849% / 0.02584943
90.0 West_Iberian
5.2 Basque
4.8 East_Iberian
With the latam stuff:
Target: Me_scaled
Distance: 2.5098% / 0.02509790
71.4 West_Iberian
14.4 East_Iberian
12.6 Basque
1.2 African
0.4 American_Native
Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 2.1902% / 0.02190169
49.6 American_Native
47.6 West_Iberian
2.8 African
Your wife seems to be fully colonial, she's actually what an average Mexican would score.
Going by her heritage I'm assuming she's from the North?
Gallop
07-21-2024, 07:01 AM
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.0885% / 0.02088532
54.6 West_Iberian
30.0 Basque
15.4 East_Iberian
Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.4977% / 0.02497709
63.0 West_Iberian
19.0 Basque
18.0 East_Iberian
Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 2.0273% / 0.02027262
74.0 West_Iberian
26.0 Basque
Fabricius
07-21-2024, 07:43 AM
No, it wouldn't because although LATAM don't have grandparents or great-grandparents, they do have a history of recent admixture within the americas, but it's fine if you want to get innacurate results, using Non-Iberian components withou actually having those ancestries is just going to take components out from the Iberian plot.
This is the Iberian plot:
https://i.imgur.com/O3inZgi.png
Full-res:
https://i.imgur.com/bU6v8Dw.png
As you can see here, all the iberian populations fit within the triangle, now look at this plot:
https://i.imgur.com/6WTSTxv.png
(zoomed in)
https://i.imgur.com/1d3zAZX.png
This is the plot with all the non-Iberian components (except fot the african and amerindian), see how the iberian triangle is significantly shifted because of the added components.
Instead of only being compared to the components necessary to the calculator, it's going to use anything father away and then counterballance with something on the opposite direction, like this:
https://i.imgur.com/NHm4u4o.png
Here I have a mix of all the non-Iberian samples that plots within the iberian triangle, but has nothing to do with other iberians.
<tbody style="scrollbar-width: auto; scrollbar-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.467) rgba(28, 28, 28, 0);">
Distance to:
North_African+West_Asian+Northwestern
0.03514039
Afrikaner
0.04679479
French_Nord
0.04693181
French_Alsace
0.04712382
BelgianC
0.04736308
BelgianB
</tbody>
And then, if we take all the non-iberian components out, it plots very distantly from them:
https://i.imgur.com/V2kBj5S.png
"although LATAM doesn't have grandparents or great-grandparents, they do have a history of recent admixture within the americas"
What do you mean guy? Does someone not even have black or native great-grandparents, but necessarily has these components recently, because they are Latin?
When would this "recent" be, 1800 A.D.?
In fact I do, and even Amerindian, although Amerindian is residual. This is not surprising, being Brazilian. But it's something that, although likely, I wouldn't have noticed if it weren't for the test.
"using Non-Iberian components withou actually having those ancestors is just going to take components out from the Iberian plot"
The same reasoning can be applied to the Latin and North African components. Now, if I don't have a clear idea, without a doubt, I don't even have this "recent" colonial mixture.
Furthermore, compare my results with other Iberians (only Iberians!) and see how "colonial" I am.
No photos or documents are needed. I just need to use reason and infer.
But I know, you liked MyHeritage 2 and don't want to give me reasons to question the update.
See the result in MH2 style:
Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.5673% / 0.01567254
74.6 East_Iberian
16.8 West_Iberian
7.6 African
1.0 American_Native
Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.04576637 West_Iberian
0.06462352 East_Iberian
0.08447523 Basque
0.57651218 American_Native
0.68101913 American_Native
0.68526512 African
0.69296392 African
0.69639880 African
0.69784921 African
0.70350579 African
With North Africa
Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.4780% / 0.01477956
88.0 East_Iberian
6.8 African
4.2 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
1.0 American_Native
Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.04576637 West_Iberian
0.06462352 East_Iberian
0.08447523 Basque
0.23601914 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
0.57651218 American_Native
0.68101913 American_Native
0.68526512 African
0.69296392 African
0.69639880 African
0.69784921 African
0.70350579 African
I liked your help in grouping all the Iberian results (it wouldn't be good for me to exclude some, and there are many), even if unintentional.
I must thank you, because it helped me to make my own calculator, although it is still imprecise, because for the non-Iberian population I really needed to make some choices based on probability, as well as excluding populations that did not score or scored but with a lot of distance.
I can't explain how I got to this without making everyone sleepy. But I must say there is reason behind it.
Something that I think is relevant is to say that I preferred to select the Algerian from among the people of North Africa, as I needed to guarantee (in other calculations) that my Semitic part was not Sephardic, and thus confirm the Ashkenazi.
Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.6044% / 0.00604401
29.8 West_Iberian
24.6 East_Iberian
15.2 Italian_Northeast
8.6 Lithuanian_VZ
8.2 Berber_Algeria
6.0 German_East
4.6 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
2.6 African1
0.4 American_Native1
Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.04576637 West_Iberian
0.06462352 East_Iberian
0.06702388 Italian_Northeast
0.07916003 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.09347882 German_East
0.14320066 Lithuanian_VZ
0.36712629 Berber_Algeria
0.57651218 American_Native1
0.70350579 African1
vader
07-21-2024, 10:30 AM
Your wife seems to be fully colonial, she's actually what an average Mexican would score.
Going by her heritage I'm assuming she's from the North?
She’s genetically Paraguayan
vader
07-21-2024, 10:34 AM
Your wife seems to be fully colonial, she's actually what an average Mexican would score.
Going by her heritage I'm assuming she's from the North?
She’s actually genetically Paraguayan with connections to Argentina.
Fabricius
07-21-2024, 10:37 AM
Just for fun!
(or something serious too...)
Following the idea, I asked ChatGPT to synthesize the following regions for me:
(hypothetical coordinates!)
Italy_Alps_Balcans,0.126534,0.139121,0.037135,0.01 4327,0.035437,0.005664,0.003315,0.004490,0.005302, 0.010567,-0.002094,0.003529,-0.007453,-0.000354,-0.001278,0.000293,0.002882,-0.000485,0.003508,-0.003044,-0.002796,0.001110,0.001622,-0.001947,-0.000839
Portuguese_and_Galicia,0.107470,0.145537,0.038536,-0.003042,0.041671,-0.002071,-0.004599,0.002592,0.025156,0.029885,-0.001432,0.006579,-0.012674,-0.011710,0.011851,0.000096,-0.002685,-0.001524,-0.005402,-0.000626,0.001006,-0.002736,0.000247,-0.002408,0.000600
Spanish_and_Basque,0.122812,0.050105,0.026645,-0.018743,-0.004798,0.006226,0.001101,0.148224,0.000098,0.037 177,-0.014313,0.001198,0.000433,0.049127,-0.001777,-0.004623,0.012582,-0.001775,-0.005183,0.004730,0.001680,0.009540,0.001570,-0.002697,-0.005616
Ashkenazi,0.099754,0.137096,-0.011362,-0.043410,0.010245,-0.015305,-0.001382,-0.001457,0.007693,0.015112,0.002384,-0.000835,0.002071,-0.001371,-0.004297,0.001949,-0.003909,-0.000176,-0.001326,-0.003347,-0.002811,-0.002535,0.001271,0.003325,-0.000626
Baltic_Germans,0.134058,0.126097,0.081721,0.078957 ,0.043375,0.027016,0.010124,0.014738,-0.001936,-0.028074,-0.004312,-0.011356,0.015604,0.027903,-0.009133,0.000109,0.001741,-0.000457,0.003377,0.002910,-0.003764,0.006972,-0.005421,-0.001787,-0.003142
And I used those made available by Eurafricanid.
African1,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
American_Native1,0.0537815,-0.3249695,0.109931,0.0731195,-0.104558,-0.017431,-0.1901235,-0.2246445,-0.007491,-0.0227795,0.0093375,-0.0046645,0.0070985,-0.000413,-0.0137755,-0.003149,-0.000587,0.0029295,0.010747,0.0086445,0.0040555,-0.010078,0.001941,0.005573,0.007754
Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile),-0.1222461,0.1272839,-0.0001224,-0.0729536,0.0283555,-0.030319,-0.0360652,0.0108718,0.0743802,0.0332648,0.0094287,-0.0088421,0.022946,-0.0154826,0.0202428,-0.0161095,0.0030104,-0.027873,-0.0514294,0.0124654,-0.0203142,-0.0495355,0.0288708,-0.0056935,0.0102369
Results:
Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.6858% / 0.00685810
46.8 Portuguese_and_Galicia
26.4 Italy_Alps_Balcans
9.6 Baltic_Germans
7.2 Ashkenazi
5.8 African1
4.0 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
0.2 American_Native1
Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.05316257 Portuguese_and_Galicia
0.06805693 Italy_Alps_Balcans
0.08536440 Ashkenazi
0.13495778 Baltic_Germans
0.19384538 Spanish_and_Basque
0.23601914 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
0.57651218 American_Native1
0.70350579 African1
celticdragongod
07-21-2024, 01:53 PM
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02048527 Non-Iberian_(Northwestern_Profile)
0.07054935 East_Iberian
0.07799834 Basque
0.09248780 West_Iberian
Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.8598% / 0.01859825
88.8 Non-Iberian_(Northwestern_Profile)
11.2 East_Iberian
celticdragongod
07-21-2024, 01:56 PM
Just for fun!
(or something serious too...)
Following the idea, I asked ChatGPT to synthesize the following regions for me:
(hypothetical coordinates!)
Italy_Alps_Balcans,0.126534,0.139121,0.037135,0.01 4327,0.035437,0.005664,0.003315,0.004490,0.005302, 0.010567,-0.002094,0.003529,-0.007453,-0.000354,-0.001278,0.000293,0.002882,-0.000485,0.003508,-0.003044,-0.002796,0.001110,0.001622,-0.001947,-0.000839
Portuguese_and_Galicia,0.107470,0.145537,0.038536,-0.003042,0.041671,-0.002071,-0.004599,0.002592,0.025156,0.029885,-0.001432,0.006579,-0.012674,-0.011710,0.011851,0.000096,-0.002685,-0.001524,-0.005402,-0.000626,0.001006,-0.002736,0.000247,-0.002408,0.000600
Spanish_and_Basque,0.122812,0.050105,0.026645,-0.018743,-0.004798,0.006226,0.001101,0.148224,0.000098,0.037 177,-0.014313,0.001198,0.000433,0.049127,-0.001777,-0.004623,0.012582,-0.001775,-0.005183,0.004730,0.001680,0.009540,0.001570,-0.002697,-0.005616
Ashkenazi,0.099754,0.137096,-0.011362,-0.043410,0.010245,-0.015305,-0.001382,-0.001457,0.007693,0.015112,0.002384,-0.000835,0.002071,-0.001371,-0.004297,0.001949,-0.003909,-0.000176,-0.001326,-0.003347,-0.002811,-0.002535,0.001271,0.003325,-0.000626
Baltic_Germans,0.134058,0.126097,0.081721,0.078957 ,0.043375,0.027016,0.010124,0.014738,-0.001936,-0.028074,-0.004312,-0.011356,0.015604,0.027903,-0.009133,0.000109,0.001741,-0.000457,0.003377,0.002910,-0.003764,0.006972,-0.005421,-0.001787,-0.003142
And I used those made available by Eurafricanid.
African1,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
American_Native1,0.0537815,-0.3249695,0.109931,0.0731195,-0.104558,-0.017431,-0.1901235,-0.2246445,-0.007491,-0.0227795,0.0093375,-0.0046645,0.0070985,-0.000413,-0.0137755,-0.003149,-0.000587,0.0029295,0.010747,0.0086445,0.0040555,-0.010078,0.001941,0.005573,0.007754
Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile),-0.1222461,0.1272839,-0.0001224,-0.0729536,0.0283555,-0.030319,-0.0360652,0.0108718,0.0743802,0.0332648,0.0094287,-0.0088421,0.022946,-0.0154826,0.0202428,-0.0161095,0.0030104,-0.027873,-0.0514294,0.0124654,-0.0203142,-0.0495355,0.0288708,-0.0056935,0.0102369
Results:
Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.6858% / 0.00685810
46.8 Portuguese_and_Galicia
26.4 Italy_Alps_Balcans
9.6 Baltic_Germans
7.2 Ashkenazi
5.8 African1
4.0 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
0.2 American_Native1
Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.05316257 Portuguese_and_Galicia
0.06805693 Italy_Alps_Balcans
0.08536440 Ashkenazi
0.13495778 Baltic_Germans
0.19384538 Spanish_and_Basque
0.23601914 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
0.57651218 American_Native1
0.70350579 African1
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.06057807 Italy_Alps_Balcans
0.08216922 Baltic_Germans
0.08231415 Portuguese_and_Galicia
0.13830562 Ashkenazi
0.20328886 Spanish_and_Basque
Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 4.6458% / 0.04645755
47.2 Baltic_Germans
42.6 Portuguese_and_Galicia
10.2 Italy_Alps_Balcans
Eurafricanid
07-21-2024, 07:38 PM
"although LATAM doesn't have grandparents or great-grandparents, they do have a history of recent admixture within the americas"
What do you mean guy? Does someone not even have black or native great-grandparents, but necessarily has these components recently, because they are Latin?
When would this "recent" be, 1800 A.D.?
In fact I do, and even Amerindian, although Amerindian is residual. This is not surprising, being Brazilian. But it's something that, although likely, I wouldn't have noticed if it weren't for the test.
"using Non-Iberian components withou actually having those ancestors is just going to take components out from the Iberian plot"
The same reasoning can be applied to the Latin and North African components. Now, if I don't have a clear idea, without a doubt, I don't even have this "recent" colonial mixture.
Furthermore, compare my results with other Iberians (only Iberians!) and see how "colonial" I am.
No photos or documents are needed. I just need to use reason and infer.
But I know, you liked MyHeritage 2 and don't want to give me reasons to question the update.
See the result in MH2 style:
Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.5673% / 0.01567254
74.6 East_Iberian
16.8 West_Iberian
7.6 African
1.0 American_Native
Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.04576637 West_Iberian
0.06462352 East_Iberian
0.08447523 Basque
0.57651218 American_Native
0.68101913 American_Native
0.68526512 African
0.69296392 African
0.69639880 African
0.69784921 African
0.70350579 African
With North Africa
Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.4780% / 0.01477956
88.0 East_Iberian
6.8 African
4.2 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
1.0 American_Native
Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.04576637 West_Iberian
0.06462352 East_Iberian
0.08447523 Basque
0.23601914 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
0.57651218 American_Native
0.68101913 American_Native
0.68526512 African
0.69296392 African
0.69639880 African
0.69784921 African
0.70350579 African
I liked your help in grouping all the Iberian results (it wouldn't be good for me to exclude some, and there are many), even if unintentional.
I must thank you, because it helped me to make my own calculator, although it is still imprecise, because for the non-Iberian population I really needed to make some choices based on probability, as well as excluding populations that did not score or scored but with a lot of distance.
I can't explain how I got to this without making everyone sleepy. But I must say there is reason behind it.
Something that I think is relevant is to say that I preferred to select the Algerian from among the people of North Africa, as I needed to guarantee (in other calculations) that my Semitic part was not Sephardic, and thus confirm the Ashkenazi.
Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.6044% / 0.00604401
29.8 West_Iberian
24.6 East_Iberian
15.2 Italian_Northeast
8.6 Lithuanian_VZ
8.2 Berber_Algeria
6.0 German_East
4.6 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
2.6 African1
0.4 American_Native1
Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.04576637 West_Iberian
0.06462352 East_Iberian
0.06702388 Italian_Northeast
0.07916003 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.09347882 German_East
0.14320066 Lithuanian_VZ
0.36712629 Berber_Algeria
0.57651218 American_Native1
0.70350579 African1
Feel free to use every coordinate you want to, just keep in mind that you're going to get inaccurate results if you don't use history.
I can be modeled as my closest fit as 60% South France and 40% South Greece in my European side, with not even one Iberian population in sight, so use whatever you want.
It seems that you're also using simulated coordinates, also keep in mind that they're going to be generally similar but quite different from your actual results and the distance is going to go up significantly.
Eurafricanid
07-21-2024, 07:40 PM
Just for fun!
(or something serious too...)
Following the idea, I asked ChatGPT to synthesize the following regions for me:
(hypothetical coordinates!)
Italy_Alps_Balcans,0.126534,0.139121,0.037135,0.01 4327,0.035437,0.005664,0.003315,0.004490,0.005302, 0.010567,-0.002094,0.003529,-0.007453,-0.000354,-0.001278,0.000293,0.002882,-0.000485,0.003508,-0.003044,-0.002796,0.001110,0.001622,-0.001947,-0.000839
Portuguese_and_Galicia,0.107470,0.145537,0.038536,-0.003042,0.041671,-0.002071,-0.004599,0.002592,0.025156,0.029885,-0.001432,0.006579,-0.012674,-0.011710,0.011851,0.000096,-0.002685,-0.001524,-0.005402,-0.000626,0.001006,-0.002736,0.000247,-0.002408,0.000600
Spanish_and_Basque,0.122812,0.050105,0.026645,-0.018743,-0.004798,0.006226,0.001101,0.148224,0.000098,0.037 177,-0.014313,0.001198,0.000433,0.049127,-0.001777,-0.004623,0.012582,-0.001775,-0.005183,0.004730,0.001680,0.009540,0.001570,-0.002697,-0.005616
Ashkenazi,0.099754,0.137096,-0.011362,-0.043410,0.010245,-0.015305,-0.001382,-0.001457,0.007693,0.015112,0.002384,-0.000835,0.002071,-0.001371,-0.004297,0.001949,-0.003909,-0.000176,-0.001326,-0.003347,-0.002811,-0.002535,0.001271,0.003325,-0.000626
Baltic_Germans,0.134058,0.126097,0.081721,0.078957 ,0.043375,0.027016,0.010124,0.014738,-0.001936,-0.028074,-0.004312,-0.011356,0.015604,0.027903,-0.009133,0.000109,0.001741,-0.000457,0.003377,0.002910,-0.003764,0.006972,-0.005421,-0.001787,-0.003142
And I used those made available by Eurafricanid.
African1,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
American_Native1,0.0537815,-0.3249695,0.109931,0.0731195,-0.104558,-0.017431,-0.1901235,-0.2246445,-0.007491,-0.0227795,0.0093375,-0.0046645,0.0070985,-0.000413,-0.0137755,-0.003149,-0.000587,0.0029295,0.010747,0.0086445,0.0040555,-0.010078,0.001941,0.005573,0.007754
Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile),-0.1222461,0.1272839,-0.0001224,-0.0729536,0.0283555,-0.030319,-0.0360652,0.0108718,0.0743802,0.0332648,0.0094287,-0.0088421,0.022946,-0.0154826,0.0202428,-0.0161095,0.0030104,-0.027873,-0.0514294,0.0124654,-0.0203142,-0.0495355,0.0288708,-0.0056935,0.0102369
Results:
Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.6858% / 0.00685810
46.8 Portuguese_and_Galicia
26.4 Italy_Alps_Balcans
9.6 Baltic_Germans
7.2 Ashkenazi
5.8 African1
4.0 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
0.2 American_Native1
Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.05316257 Portuguese_and_Galicia
0.06805693 Italy_Alps_Balcans
0.08536440 Ashkenazi
0.13495778 Baltic_Germans
0.19384538 Spanish_and_Basque
0.23601914 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
0.57651218 American_Native1
0.70350579 African1
The"Spanish_and_Basque" not Spanish or basque:
Target: Spanish_and_Basque
Distance: 16.0966% / 0.16096558
44.0 ANF
17.6 CHG
12.6 Nganasan
12.6 WHG
6.6 Yamnaya
5.6 AASI
1.0 East_Asian
Beowulf
07-21-2024, 07:43 PM
Just for fun!
(or something serious too...)
Following the idea, I asked ChatGPT to synthesize the following regions for me:
(hypothetical coordinates!)
Italy_Alps_Balcans,0.126534,0.139121,0.037135,0.01 4327,0.035437,0.005664,0.003315,0.004490,0.005302, 0.010567,-0.002094,0.003529,-0.007453,-0.000354,-0.001278,0.000293,0.002882,-0.000485,0.003508,-0.003044,-0.002796,0.001110,0.001622,-0.001947,-0.000839
Portuguese_and_Galicia,0.107470,0.145537,0.038536,-0.003042,0.041671,-0.002071,-0.004599,0.002592,0.025156,0.029885,-0.001432,0.006579,-0.012674,-0.011710,0.011851,0.000096,-0.002685,-0.001524,-0.005402,-0.000626,0.001006,-0.002736,0.000247,-0.002408,0.000600
Spanish_and_Basque,0.122812,0.050105,0.026645,-0.018743,-0.004798,0.006226,0.001101,0.148224,0.000098,0.037 177,-0.014313,0.001198,0.000433,0.049127,-0.001777,-0.004623,0.012582,-0.001775,-0.005183,0.004730,0.001680,0.009540,0.001570,-0.002697,-0.005616
Ashkenazi,0.099754,0.137096,-0.011362,-0.043410,0.010245,-0.015305,-0.001382,-0.001457,0.007693,0.015112,0.002384,-0.000835,0.002071,-0.001371,-0.004297,0.001949,-0.003909,-0.000176,-0.001326,-0.003347,-0.002811,-0.002535,0.001271,0.003325,-0.000626
Baltic_Germans,0.134058,0.126097,0.081721,0.078957 ,0.043375,0.027016,0.010124,0.014738,-0.001936,-0.028074,-0.004312,-0.011356,0.015604,0.027903,-0.009133,0.000109,0.001741,-0.000457,0.003377,0.002910,-0.003764,0.006972,-0.005421,-0.001787,-0.003142
And I used those made available by Eurafricanid.
African1,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
American_Native1,0.0537815,-0.3249695,0.109931,0.0731195,-0.104558,-0.017431,-0.1901235,-0.2246445,-0.007491,-0.0227795,0.0093375,-0.0046645,0.0070985,-0.000413,-0.0137755,-0.003149,-0.000587,0.0029295,0.010747,0.0086445,0.0040555,-0.010078,0.001941,0.005573,0.007754
Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile),-0.1222461,0.1272839,-0.0001224,-0.0729536,0.0283555,-0.030319,-0.0360652,0.0108718,0.0743802,0.0332648,0.0094287,-0.0088421,0.022946,-0.0154826,0.0202428,-0.0161095,0.0030104,-0.027873,-0.0514294,0.0124654,-0.0203142,-0.0495355,0.0288708,-0.0056935,0.0102369
Results:
Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.6858% / 0.00685810
46.8 Portuguese_and_Galicia
26.4 Italy_Alps_Balcans
9.6 Baltic_Germans
7.2 Ashkenazi
5.8 African1
4.0 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
0.2 American_Native1
Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.05316257 Portuguese_and_Galicia
0.06805693 Italy_Alps_Balcans
0.08536440 Ashkenazi
0.13495778 Baltic_Germans
0.19384538 Spanish_and_Basque
0.23601914 Non-Iberian_(North_African_Profile)
0.57651218 American_Native1
0.70350579 African1
Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0192% / 0.01924430
58.6 Portuguese_and_Galicia
24.9 English
9.2 Ashkenazi
6.1 Baltic_Germans
1.2 Spanish_and_Basque
gixajo
07-21-2024, 07:52 PM
Target: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
Distance: 1.6263% / 0.01626283
40.8 Basque
34.6 East_Iberian
24.6 West_Iberian
Target: gixajo_scaled(23andMe)
Distance: 2.0346% / 0.02034648
37.8 Basque
35.8 East_Iberian
26.4 West_Iberian
gixajo
07-21-2024, 07:58 PM
Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0657% / 0.02065666
59.0 West_Iberian
23.2 East_Iberian
17.8 Basque
Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.1875% / 0.02187456
59.6 Basque
20.6 West_Iberian
19.8 East_Iberian
Target: gixajo_enana_scaled
Distance: 3.0853% / 0.03085317
69.0 Basque
20.4 East_Iberian
10.6 West_Iberian
Athalafuns
07-21-2024, 08:23 PM
Target: RNB27
Distance: 1.8809% / 0.01880855
45.6 West_Iberian
44.6 East_Iberian
9.8 Basque
Distance to: RNB27
0.02536498 East_Iberian
0.02732205 West_Iberian
0.04144826 Basque
EasternLusitanian
07-21-2024, 09:19 PM
Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0203% / 0.02025559
96.4 West_Iberian
3.4 East_Iberian
0.2 American_Native
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