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ScandinavianCelt

07-24-2024, 08:38 PM

You will need to do a little work, not a lot, to make this accurate for you.

1. First, find your specific MODERN UNSCALED 2x ADC result. Use these samples: https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=18GcEVEl3GI-ByviD-TgQQjvEaaTbNTr2

My result looks like this: (for this calc PLEASE use your 2x resultant samples)

Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 0.6063% / 0.00606331 | ADC: 2x RC
34.4 German_Hamburg:GSM1031548
26.6 Icelandic:NA15757
23.0 Irish:Irish29
16.0 Irish:Irish12

2. Add your 2x result UNSCALED samples to the Indigenous calc samples I link you to below. For example, these are the samples I added from the result above:

German_Hamburg:GSM1031548,0.0121,0.0129,0.0152,0.0 143,0.0096,0.0093,0.0036,0.0026,0.0043,0.0022,-0.0042,-0.0003,-0.0061,-0.0061,0.011,0.0057,-0.001,0.002,-0.0032,0.0073,0.0075,0.0004,0.0037,0.0106,0.0009
Irish:Irish12,0.0119,0.0142,0.015,0.0121,0.0143,0. 0055,0.0003,0.0029,0.0027,0.0041,-0.0022,0.0025,-0.0077,-0.0066,0.0189,0.0037,0.0024,0.005,-0.0046,0.0043,0.0077,-0.0021,0.0008,0.0144,0.0032
Irish:Irish29,0.0119,0.0129,0.0137,0.0144,0.0128,0 .0053,0.0041,0.0015,0.0028,0.0035,-0.0013,0.0048,-0.0089,-0.0098,0.0124,-0.0045,0.0021,0.0037,0.0024,0.005,0.0075,-0.0009,0.0064,0.0099,0.001
Icelandic:NA15757,0.0114,0.0135,0.0165,0.0166,0.01 57,0.0073,0.0024,0.0067,-0.0009,-0.0008,0.0001,0.0044,-0.007,-0.0065,0.0155,0.0019,-0.0079,0.0069,-0.0007,0.0012,0.0064,-0.0045,0.0009,0.0088,0.0013

3. Use your UNscaled G25 coordinates after adding your specific 2x ADC result to the indigenous samples below

Purpose: I have been trying to distinguish whether or not most calculators are, for me at least, misattributing Sami for Amerindian or vice-versa. In some cases it may even be Hunnic, nomadic, or Guanche-related. The Guanche samples do not impact this calculator result for me, so I removed them.

If you have northern indigenous background this calc can offer something of a breakdown of your indigenous northern European Sami compared to Arctic Indigenous Inuit people from Greenland (West), and distinguish them from Nomadic and Hunnic peoples of Eurasian territories.

Give it a try if you'd like to!

My result:

Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 0.3698% / 0.00369778
48.2 Irish
22.4 Icelandic
16.8 German_Hamburg
5.2 Greenlander_West
3.4 Saami
2.4 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
1.6 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG

Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 0.4087% / 0.00408746 | ADC: 0.5x RC
42.8 Irish
25.0 Icelandic
21.6 German_Hamburg
6.0 Greenlander_West
4.6 Saami

Original w/Brahmin:
<iframe src="https://pastebin.com/embed_iframe/htyRDy4G" style="border:none;width:50%"></iframe>

Original w/Brahmin, plus full Arctic modern groups/samples, plus Ror and Pamir Rushan:
<iframe src="https://pastebin.com/embed_iframe/z7s7wsJw" style="border:none;width:50%"></iframe>

Beowulf

07-24-2024, 08:52 PM

Target: Beowulf_Unscaled
Distance: 0.0129% / 0.01287913
56.3 BelgianA
37.2 French_Corsica
6.5 Nogai

ScandinavianCelt

07-24-2024, 09:52 PM

If I add Udmurt and Erzya/Moksha (Mordovians) the Saami disappears, but not the Inuit-American (Greenlander_West).

Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 0.3545% / 0.00354511
52.2 Irish
19.8 Icelandic
14.6 German_Hamburg
4.6 Greenlander_West
3.4 Udmurt
3.0 Erzya
2.0 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG
0.4 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad

Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 0.3601% / 0.00360120 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.0 Irish
18.6 Icelandic
15.6 German_Hamburg
5.4 Greenlander_West
4.0 Udmurt
2.4 Moksha
1.2 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG
0.8 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad

Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 0.3753% / 0.00375314 | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.4 Irish
19.4 German_Hamburg
18.2 Icelandic
6.6 Udmurt
5.4 Greenlander_West

Athalafuns

07-24-2024, 09:53 PM

Grace O'Malley

07-24-2024, 09:54 PM

ScandinavianCelt

07-24-2024, 10:11 PM

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 0.7988% / 0.00798817 | ADC: 2x RC
55.4 Icelandic:NA15765
41.0 English_Cornwall:HG00243
3.6 Welsh:WalesL44

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 0.7684% / 0.00768366
52.2 Icelandic
39.0 English_Cornwall
4.4 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
4.4 Welsh

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 0.7684% / 0.00768366 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.2 Icelandic
39.0 English_Cornwall
4.4 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
4.4 Welsh

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 0.7988% / 0.00798817 | ADC: 0.5x RC
55.4 Icelandic
41.0 English_Cornwall
3.6 Welsh

A bit surprised we are seeing no Saami for you. What's your closest distance to a Saami sample on this calc? I'm getting .041 and closest Greenlander_West is .052.

Perhaps you got your Scandinavian at a time prior to some mixing going on there? Or perhaps it's a smaller amount so it works into the admixture of the Icelandic you got? I don't know.

ScandinavianCelt

07-24-2024, 11:01 PM

Target: Beowulf_Unscaled
Distance: 0.0129% / 0.01287913
56.3 BelgianA
37.2 French_Corsica
6.5 Nogai

Target: RNB27
Distance: 0.8215% / 0.00821459
40.0 Spanish_Aragon:HG01673
29.6 Spanish_Baleares:HG01625
24.6 Spanish_Girona:BOS011
4.8 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad:C783
0.8 Saami:saami5
0.2 Yakut:455_A

Target: RNB27
Distance: 0.8231% / 0.00823133 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.2 Spanish_Aragon:HG01673
29.6 Spanish_Baleares:HG01625
25.0 Spanish_Girona:BOS011
5.2 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad:C783

Can both of you guys do me a favor and try the calculator but add everything you added already of your own results but add the Guanche full set of ancient UNscaled for them and see if you get some of it and maybe just maybe it might link you to one of the other groups in the calculator potentially East Greenland more than West Greenland if it came up the coast and then over a long time ago to Greenland and I think it might have I think a lot of those indigenous Greenlanders may have mixed with those people a long time ago, even pre-Ice Age. If you get some and your results change could you share it with me I'd appreciate it thank you. And any of the other Spanish guys here could also do that (add in the Guanche). When I get home I'll put it in for the other Southern peeps to try out. I'll put it as a separate sample in the original post maybe.

Athalafuns

07-25-2024, 12:42 AM

Target: RNB27
Distance: 0.8215% / 0.00821459
40.0 Spanish_Aragon:HG01673
29.6 Spanish_Baleares:HG01625
24.6 Spanish_Girona:BOS011
4.8 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad:C783
0.8 Saami:saami5
0.2 Yakut:455_A

Target: RNB27
Distance: 0.8231% / 0.00823133 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.2 Spanish_Aragon:HG01673
29.6 Spanish_Baleares:HG01625
25.0 Spanish_Girona:BOS011
5.2 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad:C783
Adding Guanche:

Target: RNB27
Distance: 0.7884% / 0.00788388
39.8 Spanish_Girona
25.6 Spanish_Aragon
24.8 Spanish_Baleares
4.4 CanaryIslands_Guanche.SG
4.0 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
1.4 Saami

Target: RNB27
Distance: 0.8231% / 0.00823133 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.2 Spanish_Aragon
29.6 Spanish_Baleares
25.0 Spanish_Girona
5.2 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad

ScandinavianCelt

07-25-2024, 12:48 AM

Adding Guanche:

Target: RNB27
Distance: 0.7884% / 0.00788388
39.8 Spanish_Girona
25.6 Spanish_Aragon
24.8 Spanish_Baleares
4.4 CanaryIslands_Guanche.SG
4.0 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
1.4 Saami

Target: RNB27
Distance: 0.8231% / 0.00823133 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.2 Spanish_Aragon
29.6 Spanish_Baleares
25.0 Spanish_Girona
5.2 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad

Interesting! Now I wonder if you take off Baleares?

ScandinavianCelt

07-25-2024, 01:24 AM

You will need to do a little work, not a lot, to make this accurate for you.

1. First, find your specific MODERN UNSCALED 2x ADC result. Use these samples: https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=18GcEVEl3GI-ByviD-TgQQjvEaaTbNTr2

My result looks like this: (for this calc PLEASE use your 2x resultant samples)

Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 0.6063% / 0.00606331 | ADC: 2x RC
34.4 German_Hamburg:GSM1031548
26.6 Icelandic:NA15757
23.0 Irish:Irish29
16.0 Irish:Irish12

2. Add your 2x result UNSCALED samples to the Indigenous calc samples I link you to below. For example, these are the samples I added from the result above:

German_Hamburg:GSM1031548,0.0121,0.0129,0.0152,0.0 143,0.0096,0.0093,0.0036,0.0026,0.0043,0.0022,-0.0042,-0.0003,-0.0061,-0.0061,0.011,0.0057,-0.001,0.002,-0.0032,0.0073,0.0075,0.0004,0.0037,0.0106,0.0009
Irish:Irish12,0.0119,0.0142,0.015,0.0121,0.0143,0. 0055,0.0003,0.0029,0.0027,0.0041,-0.0022,0.0025,-0.0077,-0.0066,0.0189,0.0037,0.0024,0.005,-0.0046,0.0043,0.0077,-0.0021,0.0008,0.0144,0.0032
Irish:Irish29,0.0119,0.0129,0.0137,0.0144,0.0128,0 .0053,0.0041,0.0015,0.0028,0.0035,-0.0013,0.0048,-0.0089,-0.0098,0.0124,-0.0045,0.0021,0.0037,0.0024,0.005,0.0075,-0.0009,0.0064,0.0099,0.001
Icelandic:NA15757,0.0114,0.0135,0.0165,0.0166,0.01 57,0.0073,0.0024,0.0067,-0.0009,-0.0008,0.0001,0.0044,-0.007,-0.0065,0.0155,0.0019,-0.0079,0.0069,-0.0007,0.0012,0.0064,-0.0045,0.0009,0.0088,0.0013

3. Use your UNscaled G25 coordinates after adding your specific 2x ADC result to the indigenous samples below

Purpose: I have been trying to distinguish whether or not most calculators are, for me at least, misattributing Sami for Amerindian or vice-versa. In some cases it may even be Hunnic, nomadic, or Guanche-related. The Guanche samples do not impact this calculator result for me, so I removed them.

If you have northern indigenous background this calc can offer something of a breakdown of your indigenous northern European Sami compared to Arctic Indigenous Inuit people from Greenland (West), and distinguish them from Nomadic and Hunnic peoples of Eurasian territories.

Give it a try if you'd like to!

My result:

Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 0.3698% / 0.00369778
48.2 Irish
22.4 Icelandic
16.8 German_Hamburg
5.2 Greenlander_West
3.4 Saami
2.4 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
1.6 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG

If you know you have Brahmin, you can add it. I have some so I added it and Arctic went up 1.4%.

Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 0.3540% / 0.00354035
47.2 Irish
23.2 Icelandic
15.4 German_Hamburg
5.6 Greenlander_West
4.4 Saami
1.8 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East
1.4 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG
1.0 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad

*I updated original calc to include some Brahmin.

Athalafuns

07-25-2024, 01:26 AM

Interesting! Now I wonder if you take off Baleares?
By doing that the China Nomad is reduced but other Russian Turkic groups appear. The Saami remains almost the same. No big changes overall.

Target: RNB27
Distance: 0.8284% / 0.00828414
56.6 Spanish_Girona
30.8 Spanish_Aragon
5.4 CanaryIslands_Guanche.SG
3.8 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
2.4 Nogai
1.0 Saami

Target: RNB27
Distance: 0.8298% / 0.00829794 | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.6 Spanish_Girona
31.4 Spanish_Aragon
5.2 CanaryIslands_Guanche.SG
3.8 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
2.0 Nogai
1.0 Russia_Medieval_Nomad.SG

Target: RNB27
Distance: 0.8476% / 0.00847639 | ADC: 0.5x RC
55.2 Spanish_Girona
33.0 Spanish_Aragon
5.2 CanaryIslands_Guanche.SG
5.2 Russia_Medieval_Nomad.SG
1.4 Nogai

Balboa

07-25-2024, 01:40 AM

Target: Balboa
Distance: 0.7687% / 0.00768696
50.6 Sardinian
27.8 Greek_Peloponnese
21.6 Albanian

nothing shows up for me

Athalafuns

07-25-2024, 01:50 AM

If you know you have Brahmin, you can add it. I have some so I added it and Arctic went up 1.4%.

Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 0.3540% / 0.00354035
47.2 Irish
23.2 Icelandic
15.4 German_Hamburg
5.6 Greenlander_West
4.4 Saami
1.8 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East
1.4 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG
1.0 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad

*I updated original calc to include some Brahmin.

I tried it too just in case. This way I no longer get China Nomad, my Turkic side is limited to North Caucasus (Nogai) and my Saami increases a little more.

Target: RNB27
Distance: 0.8292% / 0.00829244
58.6 Spanish_Girona
28.4 Spanish_Aragon
5.8 CanaryIslands_Guanche.SG
3.0 Nogai
2.0 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East
1.4 Saami
0.8 Russia_Medieval_Nomad.SG

ScandinavianCelt

07-25-2024, 01:51 AM

Target: Balboa
Distance: 0.7687% / 0.00768696
50.6 Sardinian
27.8 Greek_Peloponnese
21.6 Albanian

nothing shows up for me

A big "nothingburger"? :)

The term "nothingburger" is a slang phrase that has multiple meanings and is often used in the media to describe something as insignificant or irrelevant.

Thanks for sharing though.

Demirkazık

07-25-2024, 02:05 AM

Nothingburger.

Target: Demir
Distance: 0.9308% / 0.00930785
58.0 Greek_Central_Anatolia
22.8 Nogai
10.6 Saami
4.6 Georgian_Kart
4.0 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad

Target: Demir
Distance: 1.1220% / 0.01122023 | ADC: 1x RC
61.8 Greek_Central_Anatolia
22.0 Nogai
16.2 Russia_Medieval_Nomad.SG

ScandinavianCelt

07-25-2024, 02:58 AM

ScandinavianCelt

07-25-2024, 03:04 AM

Demirkazık

07-25-2024, 03:23 AM

Nice nothingburger!

What are the 2x ADC result samples you added?

Target: Demir
Distance: 2.1520% / 0.02151955 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Greek_Central_Anatolia

Grace O'Malley

07-25-2024, 09:07 AM

A bit surprised we are seeing no Saami for you. What's your closest distance to a Saami sample on this calc? I'm getting .041 and closest Greenlander_West is .052.

Perhaps you got your Scandinavian at a time prior to some mixing going on there? Or perhaps it's a smaller amount so it works into the admixture of the Icelandic you got? I don't know.

My closest is at 0.48 but I don't think people getting Saami means they actually have real Saami. It's just the calculator trying to get your best fit. I don't actually have those ancestries over Irish it is just that with the samples available I match them over any Irish samples. The Icelandic sample is always my no 1 match.

Distance to: Grace_unscaled
0.01138376 Icelandic:NA15765
0.01220778 Welsh:WalesL44
0.01332779 English_Cornwall:HG00243
0.04590817 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA72_noUDG.SG
0.04623765 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA101_noUDG.SG
0.04652182 Nogai:NOG-220
0.04664826 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA96_noUDG.SG
0.04796186 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad:C4265 .SG
0.04806340 Saami:saami6
0.04839297 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA73_noUDG.SG
0.04846318 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA74_noUDG.SG
0.04847515 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA82_noUDG.SG
0.04942236 Saami:saami8
0.05005976 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA66_noUDG.SG
0.05023206 Russia_Medieval_Nomad.SG:DA142_noUDG.SG
0.05047415 Saami:Saami001
0.05061018 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA100_noUDG.SG
0.05071952 Pamiri_Rushan:tdj54_rushan
0.05085519 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA69_noUDG.SG
0.05091562 Kazakhstan_Medieval_Nomad.SG:DA126_noUDG.SG
0.05096342 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA385_noUDG.SG
0.05103313 Pamiri_Rushan:tdj508_rushan
0.05106760 Saami:saami9
0.05167949 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA52_noUDG.SG
0.05187890 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA104_noUDG.SG

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 0.7677% / 0.00767711
52.6 Icelandic
39.4 English_Cornwall
3.4 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
3.4 Welsh
1.2 Pamiri_Rushan

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 0.7677% / 0.00767711 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.6 Icelandic
39.4 English_Cornwall
3.4 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
3.4 Welsh
1.2 Pamiri_Rushan

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 0.7988% / 0.00798817 | ADC: 0.5x RC
55.4 Icelandic
41.0 English_Cornwall
3.6 Welsh

If I use a different Icelandic sample it completely changes my results.

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 0.9159% / 0.00915889
50.2 Welsh
36.6 Icelandic
3.4 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG
3.2 Nogai
2.2 Saami
2.0 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
2.0 English_Cornwall
0.4 Pamiri_Rushan

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 0.9123% / 0.00912257 | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.2 Welsh
36.6 Icelandic
5.2 English_Cornwall
4.6 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG
3.2 Nogai
1.6 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
1.6 Saami

ScandinavianCelt

07-25-2024, 02:20 PM

My closest is at 0.48 but I don't think people getting Saami means they actually have real Saami. It's just the calculator trying to get your best fit. I don't actually have those ancestries over Irish it is just that with the samples available I match them over any Irish samples. The Icelandic sample is always my no 1 match.

Distance to: Grace_unscaled
0.01138376 Icelandic:NA15765
0.01220778 Welsh:WalesL44
0.01332779 English_Cornwall:HG00243
0.04590817 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA72_noUDG.SG
0.04623765 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA101_noUDG.SG
0.04652182 Nogai:NOG-220
0.04664826 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA96_noUDG.SG
0.04796186 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad:C4265 .SG
0.04806340 Saami:saami6
0.04839297 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA73_noUDG.SG
0.04846318 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA74_noUDG.SG
0.04847515 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA82_noUDG.SG
0.04942236 Saami:saami8
0.05005976 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA66_noUDG.SG
0.05023206 Russia_Medieval_Nomad.SG:DA142_noUDG.SG
0.05047415 Saami:Saami001
0.05061018 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA100_noUDG.SG
0.05071952 Pamiri_Rushan:tdj54_rushan
0.05085519 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA69_noUDG.SG
0.05091562 Kazakhstan_Medieval_Nomad.SG:DA126_noUDG.SG
0.05096342 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA385_noUDG.SG
0.05103313 Pamiri_Rushan:tdj508_rushan
0.05106760 Saami:saami9
0.05167949 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA52_noUDG.SG
0.05187890 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG:DA104_noUDG.SG

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 0.7677% / 0.00767711
52.6 Icelandic
39.4 English_Cornwall
3.4 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
3.4 Welsh
1.2 Pamiri_Rushan

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 0.7677% / 0.00767711 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.6 Icelandic
39.4 English_Cornwall
3.4 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
3.4 Welsh
1.2 Pamiri_Rushan

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 0.7988% / 0.00798817 | ADC: 0.5x RC
55.4 Icelandic
41.0 English_Cornwall
3.6 Welsh

If I use a different Icelandic sample it completely changes my results.

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 0.9159% / 0.00915889
50.2 Welsh
36.6 Icelandic
3.4 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG
3.2 Nogai
2.2 Saami
2.0 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
2.0 English_Cornwall
0.4 Pamiri_Rushan

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 0.9123% / 0.00912257 | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.2 Welsh
36.6 Icelandic
5.2 English_Cornwall
4.6 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG
3.2 Nogai
1.6 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
1.6 Saami

Instead of using your modern samples that you fit best with you can substitute them with your closest genetic distance sample or samples from Illustrativedna.com for your ancient result so for me I get something Saxon called Schleswig in Germany. If I use that it will pick up the indigenous Guanche people from the Canary Islands as well as the Sami and the Greenlanders.

Athalafuns

07-25-2024, 03:59 PM

I did the same process but with my chromosome 15 which is where my remote easterner traces seem to mainly be. In this way some Uralic Finno-Ugrics appear (Mansi, Khanty) along with the Turkics:

Target: chr15
Distance: 1.2901% / 0.01290053
72.6 German
11.8 Nogai
9.8 Mansi
4.4 Kazakhstan_Medieval_Nomad.SG
1.4 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East

Target: chr15
Distance: 1.3285% / 0.01328480 | ADC: 0.5x RC
68.8 German
14.8 Khanty
9.0 Nogai
7.4 Kazakhstan_Medieval_Nomad.SG

Target: chr15
Distance: 1.6301% / 0.01630093 | ADC: 1x RC
75.0 German
25.0 Russia_Medieval_Nomad.SG

Without Brahmin:

Target: chr15
Distance: 1.2937% / 0.01293744
73.4 German
12.0 Nogai
9.6 Mansi
5.0 Kazakhstan_Medieval_Nomad.SG

At R3P it looks like this (using the first list of samples):

Target: chr15
Distance: 0.1702% / 0.00170236 | R3P
39.8 Basque_French
37.8 Chuvash
22.4 Turkish_Giresun

The funny thing is that the Chuvash are genetically a mix of Finno-Ugrics and Turkics just like a good portion of my chromosome 15 seems to be, as I showed above. Chromosome 15 is the cause of eye color, and mine are gray, so it's quite likely that I inherited that shade from this kind of people at some point in history, most like Migration Period (but who knows):

https://i.postimg.cc/G2MbmTK7/Image5-cr.jpg (https://postimages.org/) https://i.postimg.cc/wMLHc4HP/Image8-cr.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

gixajo

07-25-2024, 05:00 PM

Target: gixajo
Distance: 0.7179% / 0.00717861 | ADC: 0.5x RC
34.6 Spanish_Burgos
22.4 Spanish_Aragon_North
20.6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
17.4 Spanish_Cantabria
5.0 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG

Target: gixajo
Distance: 0.6501% / 0.00650052
29.4 Spanish_Burgos
22.8 Spanish_Aragon_North
21.6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
20.2 Spanish_Cantabria
2.2 Yakut
2.0 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East
1.8 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG

vader

07-25-2024, 05:18 PM

Target: Me
Distance: 0.8567% / 0.00856689
77.8 Portuguese
14.8 Spanish_Andalucia
5.0 Yukagir_Forest
2.2 Nenets
0.2 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East

- my ancestor:

https://cdn.britannica.com/01/180401-138-278412B8/reindeer-Sakha.jpg?w=800&h=450&c=crop

Target: Wife
Distance: 3.3242% / 0.03324174
96.0 Cree
2.6 Yakut
1.4 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East

-wife's ancestor:

https://www.legendsofamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/PlainsCreeWarrior.jpg

cass

07-25-2024, 05:34 PM

Target: cass_unscaled
Distance: 0.7723% / 0.00772280 | ADC: 2x RC
61.0 German_Hamburg:GSM1031523
39.0 Polish:Polish26

This alleged Hamburger is probably a displaced person from the east (https://ibb.co/Dw9Dgqf).

Target: cass_unscaled
Distance: 0.6903% / 0.00690270
53.8 German_Hamburg:GSM1031523
40.0 Polish:Polish26
2.8 Saami:saami5
1.8 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East:BR084
1.6 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East:BRG001

ScandinavianCelt

07-25-2024, 06:22 PM

ScandinavianCelt

07-29-2024, 08:39 PM

I'm adding a "full arctic samples" calc to the original post now. I added Ror and Pamir Rushan also.

With all Arctic samples it doesn't change much from just adding Brahmin:

Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 0.3532% / 0.00353219
49.0 Irish
22.2 Icelandic
14.6 German_Hamburg
5.2 Greenlander_West
4.8 Saami
1.4 Ror
1.0 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East
0.8 Kyrgyzstan_TianShan_Hun.SG
0.6 China_Xinjiang_Tangbalesayi_Historical_Nomad
0.4 Pamiri_Rushan

Now with official coordinates for both data sets, averaged (the 2x result for all modern scaled G25 changes to Danish493 and Hamburg:GSM1031548), the results changed:

Target: SC_Official_UNscaled_Averaged
Distance: 0.7630% / 0.00763027
47.0 German_Hamburg
42.4 Danish
3.2 Greenlander_West
3.2 Saami
3.0 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_East
1.2 Pamiri_Rushan

Target: SC_Official_UNscaled_Averaged
Distance: 0.7933% / 0.00793266 | ADC: 0.5x RC
54.0 German_Hamburg
37.6 Danish
4.6 Greenlander_West
3.8 Pamiri_Rushan

I recommend averaging your official coordinates if you have two or more sets to average.