Shared Roots Matches: Ancient Africa

[cass]

Please post your shared African matches on dnagenics

https://i.ibb.co/ZcFxPvJ/Zrzut-ekranu-25-7-2024-235012-www-dnagenics-com.jpg (https://ibb.co/ZcFxPvJ)



These are completely new tools on this website.
I believe they are analyzing entire segments of DNA.

[ScandinavianCelt]

I used to match many others. They're only showing one in Egypt about 2300 yrs ago and another in Sudan from about 1250 yrs ago. But they say I match 4 samples in Sudan and just one in Egypt. Oddly enough, the top Sudanese piece lands on chromosome #1 in a large segment of 24 centimorgans. Why aren't they showing all my small Guanche and Kenyan pieces now though? Weird.

https://i.postimg.cc/Pq56CPHB/african-samples-i-match.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/90D5ZLhH/sudan-chr-1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/QKZyrkCf)

[ScandinavianCelt]

I'm not showing any Sudanese results with various calculators on my Admix Studio app when running them against just that portion of chromosome 1. I wonder if the sample is too new, however?

What are you showing for your two most ancient European samples they give you as matches?

I don't think enough people here have DNAGenics to post a full comparison of the Ancient European matched samples to compare with each other, but it would be fun to see which ones of us match some of them.

I got one trophy match for being a top 10 match in their system to an LBK sample (HBS005) from Early-Neolithic Germany dated at 5250 BCE- 4800 BCE. It matches me with two segments on chromosome #6, the larger segment being 37 centimorgans! DNAGenics lists the genetic profile of this sample as such:


Italian 55.13%
Iberian 11.89%
Sardinian 11.47%
Levantine 14.68%
Arabian 6.04%
Egyptian 0.75%
Nigerian 0.05%


They do not list coordinates for this sample and official datasheet does not include this particular sample, but ones following: HBS006, HBS007, etc.

Genetically Closest Modern Populations to HBS005:

These are the genetically closest modern populations for this sample.
6.05 Belmonte Jew
6.38 Sardinian
6.95 Turkish Sabbatean
6.98 Italian Jew
7.09 Sicilian West
7.18 Maltese
7.27 Sicilian East
7.28 Ashkenazi Germany
7.29 Algerian Jew
7.32 Italian Calabria
7.32 Italian Lazio
7.32 French Corsica
7.33 Italian Campania
7.38 Ashkenazi France
7.55 Moroccan Jew
7.58 Turkish Jew
7.61 Romaniote Jew

I did find the coordinates for this sample!

HBS005,0.09963856,0.1571276,-0.0001329,-0.0680661,0.04046688,-0.03283768,-0.00410528,0.00258072,0.04531892,0.0538817,0.00125 846,0.00483968,-0.00581616,-0.01010124,-0.01069368,0.008863,0.00398374,0.00148422,0.002894 22,0.00157718,0.00521438,0.00880842,-0.01278024,-0.01590266,0.00156441

[cass]

Klein7 Austria Neolithic The Linear Pottery Culture 7244 BCE - 6796 BCE 2 segments - 0.06%
Bichon Switzerland Pleistocene Ancient Hunter-Gatherers of Western Europe 11850 BCE - 11579 BCE 2 segments - 0.06%

As expected mostly Linear Pottery and HG + lots of antique steppe from Asia, incl. 4 top ten matches.

Unfortunately they don't have any samples from Poland.

One can make individual calculators based on own matches.

[hazmatnik]

I have 0 matches from Africa. Europe, America and Asia only.

[cass]

I have 0 matches from Africa. Europe, America and Asia only.
lucky you

https://i.ibb.co/ts7FvTT/pobierz-3.png (https://ibb.co/ts7FvTT)

These are mainly Western Mediterranean samples. That's why you may not have them.

[hazmatnik]

These are mainly Western Mediterranean samples. That's why you may not have them.

Gonna purchase this for my family too, maybe some of my grandparents will have some African match.
Its interesting thing.

[cass]

Gonna purchase this for my family too, maybe some of my grandparents will have some African match.
Its interesting thing.

It's very doubtful since you don't have them.

[Live The Magic]

I got Europe and Asia only

[hazmatnik]

Maternal grandpa got this. He was first to upgrade, since he got few Algerians and Lybians as autosomal matches somehow on MH and her daughter, my aunt gets them on 23andme.

https://i.postimg.cc/L51Xzvqh/Screenshot-20240726-173030-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/jnRtTH4r)

[ScandinavianCelt]

I have just used the Early Neolithic DNAgen. matched sample from Spain in my Samara-Yamnaya+Rochedene calc and of all the Spanish_EN samples the one DNAGenics links me to comes out as the one closest to me on the calculator!

I had been using Gibraltar_EN (not Spain_EN) to run my Yamnaya calc. Specific samples are much better! I made a list of the Early Neolithic samples they gave me with all G25 coordinates.

Now I need to find some specific Yamnaya samples if possible? Prob not, so I'll use my closest one.

I tested my closest Samara_EBA_Yamnaya sample against this Spanish_EN woman I link to AND put Gibraltar_EN also in and this is what happens:

Distance to: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
0.13061923 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
0.15662992 Spain_EN_I0413_Female_Mine
0.19388118 Gibraltar_EN:I10942
0.33457408 France_Rochedane:Rochedane

So the results now?

Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 3.4614% / 0.03461390
57.6 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
37.4 Gibraltar_EN:I10942
5.0 France_Rochedane:Rochedane

Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 3.4614% / 0.03461390 | ADC: 0.25x RC
57.6 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
37.4 Gibraltar_EN:I10942
5.0 France_Rochedane:Rochedane

Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 3.8707% / 0.03870659 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.4 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
39.6 Gibraltar_EN:I10942

Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 5.0966% / 0.05096552 | ADC: 1x RC
55.2 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
44.8 Spain_EN_I0413_Female_Mine

Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 5.0966% / 0.05096552 | ADC: 2x RC
55.2 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
44.8 Spain_EN_I0413_Female_Mine



It's the first time Yamnaya goes DOWN as ADC increases, but still it's high at 55.2%. Cool to discover this stuff though!

To show you how it is closest, here it is against all the Spanish EN samples:

Distance to: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official

0.13061923 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
0.15662992 Spain_EN_I0413_Female_Mine
0.16624384 Spain_EN.SG:TOR.6_noUDG.WGC
0.17702338 Spain_EN.SG:TOR.8_noUDG.WGC
0.19153857 Spain_EN.SG:mur_noUDG.SG
0.19346267 Spain_EN:CHA001_merged
0.19388118 Gibraltar_EN:I10942
0.19611798 Spain_EN:I0412
0.20241807 Spain_EN:I1972
0.20424701 Spain_EN:I0409
0.20453009 Spain_EN:CHA002_merged
0.20509693 Spain_EN:FUC003_merged
0.20533529 Spain_EN:CHA003_merged
0.20603725 Spain_EN:I0413
0.21640882 Spain_EN:I2199
0.22730545 Spain_EN:I0410
0.33457408 France_Rochedane:Rochedane

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And my oldest sample DNAGenics matches me to in Europe is from Spain, 11446-10772 BCE, Mesolithic_HG of Iberia, called "BAL051".

[cass]

Do you also have such results that there are almost exclusively women among the Neolithic matches? Maybe it's because the Yamanya exterminated Neolithic men.

[Live The Magic]

Do you also have such results that there are almost exclusively women among the Neolithic matches? Maybe it's because the Yamanya exterminated Neolithic men.

In my case both men among Iberian samples. Neolithic (Fuente Celada ~5200 BC) and Mesolithic (Balma Guilanya ~11450 BC). No assigned Y-DNA. Also I'm currently top 10 match for Middle Neolithic Frenchman, his haplo was G-L140

PS. Basically my matches for Western and Southeastern European Neolithic were Y-DNA G, Central Europe (Germany) mix of G and H2, and Baltic Neolithic are R1b (although a single sample).

[ScandinavianCelt]

Do you also have such results that there are almost exclusively women among the Neolithic matches? Maybe it's because the Yamanya exterminated Neolithic men.

No. All other Early Neolithic samples I match are male-- 6 from Germany LBK and one from Hungary Starcevo. I wonder if this Spanish EN female could be my x-chromosome line, perhaps? My Mom recently died of early-onset Alzheimer's and the doctor told us it is a gene that comes from Spain.

Also, because this is fascinating and you might like it, I just checked a close friend's matches to Ancient Europe (she had me upload her data), and she outdates me in Europe by 20k years! And even more interesting is the genetic profile of this Austrian man from the Pleistocene time period. Check out his genetic admixture:


Sample ID: I1577

Date: 29500 BCE - 28500 BCE

Era: Pleistocene

Culture: Gravettian Paleolithic

Location: Austria - Krems-Wachtberg

Estimated Biological Sex: Male


Genetic Profile

Finnish 14.40%
Scandinavian 13.38%
Eastern European 25.21%
Iberian 12.64%
Sardinian 4.58%
Asia 13.19%
Indian 9.27%
Siberian 2.01%
Chinese 1.91%
Africa 7.57%
Egyptian 1.34%
North African 1.32%
Senegambian & Guinean 2.40%
African Hunter-Gatherer 1.42%
Ethiopian 1.09%
Papuan 7.39%
Native American 1.65%

https://i.postimg.cc/WzzxjSK5/austrian-pleistocene-admix-map.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


She matches him 7.1 centimorgans on chromosome 8, with 210 SNPs. Such cool stuff DNAGenics is putting out.

I think I'll upload my 23andMe DNA to them now, although over twice as expensive as IllustrativeDNA now, the features are better IMO.

[Solitude]

i have these matches here

https://i.postimg.cc/XXSJCZw6/africa1.png

[cass]

No. All other Early Neolithic samples I match are male-- 6 from Germany LBK and one from Hungary Starcevo. I wonder if this Spanish EN female could be my x-chromosome line, perhaps? My Mom recently died of early-onset Alzheimer's and the doctor told us it is a gene that comes from Spain.

Also, because this is fascinating and you might like it, I just checked a close friend's matches to Ancient Europe (she had me upload her data), and she outdates me in Europe by 20k years! And even more interesting is the genetic profile of this Austrian man from the Pleistocene time period. Check out his genetic admixture:


Sample ID: I1577

Date: 29500 BCE - 28500 BCE

Era: Pleistocene

Culture: Gravettian Paleolithic

Location: Austria - Krems-Wachtberg

Estimated Biological Sex: Male


Genetic Profile

Finnish 14.40%
Scandinavian 13.38%
Eastern European 25.21%
Iberian 12.64%
Sardinian 4.58%
Asia 13.19%
Indian 9.27%
Siberian 2.01%
Chinese 1.91%
Africa 7.57%
Egyptian 1.34%
North African 1.32%
Senegambian & Guinean 2.40%
African Hunter-Gatherer 1.42%
Ethiopian 1.09%
Papuan 7.39%
Native American 1.65%

https://i.postimg.cc/WzzxjSK5/austrian-pleistocene-admix-map.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


She matches him 7.1 centimorgans on chromosome 8, with 210 SNPs. Such cool stuff DNAGenics is putting out.

I think I'll upload my 23andMe DNA to them now, although over twice as expensive as IllustrativeDNA now, the features are better IMO.

I recommend great caution with their antique G25s. They put WHGBichon inside modern Baltic Sea not among WHGs as it should be.
https://i.ibb.co/RCbnmK8/pobierz-2.jpg (https://ibb.co/RCbnmK8)

[ScandinavianCelt]

My female Spanish grandma (i0413) was NOT my x-chromosome: I have H1e and she is V:

https://i.postimg.cc/j2cDGHmq/i0413-amtdb.jpg (https://postimg.cc/8fFkv6Tx)

She may have been killed by Yamnaya and they took her daughter or son as a servant, etc, because there was a massacre in El Trocs of some of the human remains there, but some others had been buried pre-massacre. I'm not sure if she was massacred or not, but some were.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-58483-9#ref-CR9

And here's a good article about the maternal make-up of the Iberian Peninsula between Neolithic and Bronze Age: @RNB27

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-15480-9

[ScandinavianCelt]

I recommend great caution with their antique G25s. They put WHGBichon inside modern Baltic Sea not among WHGs as it should be.
https://i.ibb.co/RCbnmK8/pobierz-2.jpg (https://ibb.co/RCbnmK8)

The WHG people were displaced by EEF and Steppe peoples and I read that the eastern Baltic area has the highest % of WHG now, so it seems logical if Bichon could plot over there, but I'm not sure what time period the source you saw is plotting his genes there.

The scaled version I have on file plots closer to DNAGenics sample:

https://i.postimg.cc/C5jyFcLV/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2024-07-26-T221043-052.png (https://postimages.org/)

[cass]

The WHG people were displaced by EEF and Steppe peoples and I read that the eastern Baltic area has the highest % of WHG now, so it seems logical if Bichon could plot over there, but I'm not sure what time period the source you saw is plotting his genes there.

There is a HUGE distance between the official unscaled Bichon WHG and the one scaled by DNAgenics. It must be the latter's mistake. I think this is not the only mistake. You can see the differences in the graph.

[hazmatnik]

My paternal aunt closest european match was H5 lady, my aunt is J1c, but im H5m and maternal grandpa H5b so this lady could be grandma to some of us :rolleyes:

https://i.postimg.cc/ZqpB5100/Screenshot-20240726-201406-Chrome.jpg (https://postimages.org/)