View Full Version : Mapping Chromosomes Breakdown
Athalafuns
07-26-2024, 04:03 PM
These are the regions whose modern population most closely matches each of my unscaled chromosomes on average. I think it's a pretty interesting representation since it fits with historical migrations.
https://i.postimg.cc/sX91LtT5/71e-MX5-Lh-XUL-AC-UF1000-1000-QL80.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
For example, the Romans who settled in Hispania came from Latium, so this map is extremely accurate at that point. We can also see regions that correspond to the arrival of the Urnfield people (proto-Hallstatt) to Catalonia, from whose migration my own Y-DNA is said to come.
https://i.postimg.cc/QCFznrbM/Urnfield.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
As for my easterner chromosome 15 (see first map) it is labeled as modern Volga Tatar but still is equidistant to Italian Northeast and Swiss German as next closest populations. This somehow illustrates the way of the Goths from the Black Sea to Hispania, going through Italy, although it could overlap with my Urnfield and/or Celtic genetics at some point.
It has been observed that the Visigoths mixed with some Black Sea people before travelling west. But also the Alans made a parallel journey to that of the Visigoths, who settled mainly in Catalonia when reaching Hispania. And due to chr-15 being the cause of human eye color, it all fits with my own phenotype (gray eyes).
https://i.postimg.cc/tTy4FB9J/Alans.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
This same type of conclusions is also drawn by IllustrativeDNA giving me 2.4% Goth + 4.4% Frisii for Migration Period, which in turn seems to be linked to another chromosome of mine, 16, being labeled Belgian, Hamburg or Afrikaner in its closest modern populations, as I drew on the map.
https://i.postimg.cc/RhYmpdxc/Illustrative-DNA.jpg (https://postimages.org/)https://i.postimg.cc/P5YHK13w/Recorte.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Finally, beard color is determined by chromosome 16, and mine is predominantly blonde in various shades up to black: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?381416-I-need-help-(Classify-amp-Pass). So it looks like my chromosomes 15 and 16 have quite a bit in common with Migration Period-related genetics, but also the Urnfield/Celtic people, being difficult to differentiate as two more chromosomes of mine are also labeled Swiss German. Anyway, what is certain is that some of these Alpine fragments have come down to me with dominant Russian Turkic genes which are located mainly on the chromosome responsible for my gray eyes.
You can try it yourself, to see how your chromosomes roughly relate to some regions, and link it to real population changes in your land through history. It worked much better for me with Unscaled.
Beowulf
07-26-2024, 04:17 PM
I'll try it later the idea seems funny
Solitude
07-26-2024, 04:29 PM
These are the regions whose modern population most closely matches each of my unscaled chromosomes on average. I think it's a pretty interesting representation since it fits with historical migrations.
https://i.postimg.cc/sX91LtT5/71e-MX5-Lh-XUL-AC-UF1000-1000-QL80.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
For example, the Romans who settled in Hispania came from Latium, so this map is extremely accurate at that point. We can also see regions that correspond to the arrival of the Urnfield people (proto-Hallstatt) to Catalonia, from whose migration my own Y-DNA is said to come.
https://i.postimg.cc/QCFznrbM/Urnfield.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
As for my easterner chromosome 15 (see first map) it is labeled as modern Volga Tatar but still is equidistant to Italian Northeast and Swiss German as next closest populations. This somehow illustrates the way of the Goths from the Black Sea to Hispania, going through Italy, although it could overlap with my Urnfield and/or Celtic genetics at some point.
It has been observed that the Visigoths mixed with some Black Sea people before travelling west. But also the Alans made a parallel journey to that of the Visigoths, who settled mainly in Catalonia when reaching Hispania. And due to chr-15 being the cause of human eye color, it all fits with my own phenotype (gray eyes).
https://i.postimg.cc/tTy4FB9J/Alans.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
This same type of conclusions is also drawn by IllustrativeDNA giving me 2.4% Goth + 4.4% Frisii for Migration Period, which in turn seems to be linked to another chromosome of mine, 16, being labeled Belgian, Hamburg or Afrikaner in its closest modern populations, as I drew on the map.
https://i.postimg.cc/RhYmpdxc/Illustrative-DNA.jpg (https://postimages.org/)https://i.postimg.cc/P5YHK13w/Recorte.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Finally, beard color is determined by chromosome 16, and mine is predominantly blonde in various shades up to black: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?381416-I-need-help-(Classify-amp-Pass). So it looks like my chromosomes 15 and 16 have quite a bit in common with Migration Period-related genetics, but also the Urnfield/Celtic people, being difficult to differentiate as two more chromosomes of mine are also labeled Swiss German. Anyway, what is certain is that some of these Alpine fragments have come down to me with dominant Russian Turkic genes which are located mainly on the chromosome responsible for my gray eyes.
You can try it yourself, to see how your chromosomes roughly relate to some regions, and link it to real population changes in your land through history. It worked much better for me with Unscaled.
i have this chromosomal heatmap
https://i.postimg.cc/pTsph9kQ/K36-Heatmap.png
most different chromossome would be 17 , heatmap from it , but i don't know how to interpret that
https://i.postimg.cc/J7jFLb6B/heatmap.png
Beowulf
07-26-2024, 04:41 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/dtCk99wM/Captura-de-pantalla-2024-07-26-184053.png (https://postimages.org/)
ScandinavianCelt
07-26-2024, 05:11 PM
Does this show my tie to the Urnfield Culture?
Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 1.2762% / 0.01276191 | ADC: 2x RC
66.0 England_LBA
34.0 Czech_LBA_Knoviz
Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 1.0301% / 0.01030125 | ADC: 1x RC
44.0 Czech_LBA_Knoviz
30.2 England_LBA
25.8 Netherlands_LBA
Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 0.8486% / 0.00848637
38.8 Netherlands_LBA
20.2 England_LBA
19.6 Czech_LBA_Knoviz
10.2 Spain_Aritgues_LBA <---- is this Urnfield-related?
5.4 Armenia_LBA_EIA
4.4 England_LBA_lowEEF
1.4 Jordan_LBA
Athalafuns
07-26-2024, 05:28 PM
Does this show my tie to the Urnfield Culture?
Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 1.2762% / 0.01276191 | ADC: 2x RC
66.0 England_LBA
34.0 Czech_LBA_Knoviz
Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 1.0301% / 0.01030125 | ADC: 1x RC
44.0 Czech_LBA_Knoviz
30.2 England_LBA
25.8 Netherlands_LBA
Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 0.8486% / 0.00848637
38.8 Netherlands_LBA
20.2 England_LBA
19.6 Czech_LBA_Knoviz
10.2 Spain_Aritgues_LBA <---- is this Urnfield-related?
5.4 Armenia_LBA_EIA
4.4 England_LBA_lowEEF
1.4 Jordan_LBA
Yes, without a doubt both components are Urnfield.
ScandinavianCelt
07-26-2024, 05:44 PM
Yes, without a doubt both components are Urnfield.
I'm guessing the Slavs got their cremation practices from Knoviz.
Solitude
07-26-2024, 05:48 PM
i'll upload these coordinates in illustrativedna , if you do post after here results
Athalafuns
07-26-2024, 08:53 PM
Does this show my tie to the Urnfield Culture?
Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 1.2762% / 0.01276191 | ADC: 2x RC
66.0 England_LBA
34.0 Czech_LBA_Knoviz
Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 1.0301% / 0.01030125 | ADC: 1x RC
44.0 Czech_LBA_Knoviz
30.2 England_LBA
25.8 Netherlands_LBA
Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 0.8486% / 0.00848637
38.8 Netherlands_LBA
20.2 England_LBA
19.6 Czech_LBA_Knoviz
10.2 Spain_Aritgues_LBA <---- is this Urnfield-related?
5.4 Armenia_LBA_EIA
4.4 England_LBA_lowEEF
1.4 Jordan_LBA
I have tried it too:
Target: RNB27
Distance: 1.4972% / 0.01497186 | ADC: 1x RC
36.2 Spain_Aritgues_LBA
35.8 Czech_LBA_Knoviz
28.0 Croatia_LBA_EIA
The Croatian thing is also interesting because it has been proposed that there was a migration of proto-Illyrians to present-day Catalonia shortly after the Urnfield arrival.
Distance to: RNB27
0.02045029 Czech_LBA_Knoviz
0.02134809 Hungary_LBA
0.02246162 Czech_LBA_Knoviz_o3
0.02261349 Slovenia_LBA
0.02268497 England_LBA_highEEF
0.02372021 Spain_Aritgues_LBA
0.02561582 Croatia_LBA_EIA
0.02733002 Spain_LBA
0.02865538 England_LBA
0.03086713 Hungary_LBA_Kyjatice.SG
0.03186534 Slovenia_LBA_EIA
0.03311729 England_LBA_lowEEF
0.03431003 Scotland_LBA
0.03450348 France_GrandEst_LBA.SG
0.03493007 Hungary_LBA_Kyjatice
0.03578477 Wales_LBA
0.04365661 Hungary_LBA_Halva
0.04365807 Netherlands_LBA
0.04677096 Italy_Sicily_LBA
0.05142116 Mongolia_LBA_MongunTaiga_3
0.05549791 Armenia_LBA_EIA_o
0.05593676 Armenia_LBA
0.05612158 Armenia_LBA_EIA
0.05641197 Armenia_Lchashen_LBA
0.05661976 Mongolia_LBA_CenterWest_5
Does this show my tie to the Urnfield Culture?
Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 1.2762% / 0.01276191 | ADC: 2x RC
66.0 England_LBA
34.0 Czech_LBA_Knoviz
Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 1.0301% / 0.01030125 | ADC: 1x RC
44.0 Czech_LBA_Knoviz
30.2 England_LBA
25.8 Netherlands_LBA
Target: ScandinavianCelt_Official_Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 0.8486% / 0.00848637
38.8 Netherlands_LBA
20.2 England_LBA
19.6 Czech_LBA_Knoviz
10.2 Spain_Aritgues_LBA <---- is this Urnfield-related?
5.4 Armenia_LBA_EIA
4.4 England_LBA_lowEEF
1.4 Jordan_LBA
The Knovíz culture featured a distinctive type of horse, which may have been the predecessor of the so-called 'Celtic' or 'Germanic' pony. There is evidence that the people of this culture practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism. Archaeological and genetic evidence tentatively suggests that the people of the Knovíz culture may have been ethnically Celtic. :thumb001:
djipon
07-26-2024, 10:56 PM
Will that do the work?
https://i.postimg.cc/CLgmdGHX/image.png
Demirkazık
07-27-2024, 01:27 AM
Is there a site where I can use my coordinates to create heatmaps?
Nurzat
07-27-2024, 04:31 AM
more northerly pops in blue, more southerly pop in red
my dad:
chr1 -- Austrian_Burgenland
chr2 -- German_Bavarian_Swabia
chr3 -- Hungarian_Slovakia_Central+East
chr4 -- Pomak_Greece
chr5 -- Polish_Podlaskie
chr6 -- Turkish_Deliorman
chr7 -- Russian_Southwest
chr8 -- Pomak_Greece
chr9 -- Vlach_Serbia
chr10 -- Mordvin
chr11 -- Polish_Podlaskie
chr12 -- Bosniak_Sandzak_West
chr13 -- Finnish
chr14 -- Turkish_Deliorman
chr15 -- Polish_Podlaskie
chr16 -- Mordvin
chr17 -- Bosniak_Krajina_East
chr18 -- French_Central
chr19 -- Upper_Silesia
chr20 -- Bosniak_Krajina_West
chr21 -- Mordvin
chr22 -- Greek_Istanbul
myself:
chr1 -- Bosniak_Sandzak_West
chr2 -- Austrian_Styria
chr3 -- Hungarian_Szekely
chr4 -- Pomak_Greece
chr5 -- German_Farther_Pomerania
chr6 -- Italian_Aosta_Valley
chr7 -- Austrian_Lower_Austria
chr8 -- Serb_KosovoMetohija
chr9 -- Hungarian_Slovakia_Central+East
chr10 -- Pomak_Greece
chr11 -- Vlach_Serbia
chr12 -- German_West_Prussi
chr13 -- Croat_Herzegovina
chr14 -- Bosniak_Southeast
chr15 -- Ukrainian_Moldova
chr16 -- Ukrainian_Moldova
chr17 -- German_Bavarian_Swabia
chr18 -- Pomak_Greece
chr19 -- Bosniak_Northeast
chr20 -- German_Thuringia_East
chr21 -- Mordvin
chr22 -- Greek_Arcadia
my mother (phased):
chr1 -- Bulgarian_Southeastern
chr2 -- Lemko_Poland
chr3 -- Turkish_Deliorman
chr4 -- Pomak_Greece
chr5 -- Polish_Podlaskie
chr6 -- Italian_Aosta_Valley
chr7 -- Basque_France
chr8 -- Bulgarian_Southeastern
chr9 -- Hungarian_Vojvodina+Banat
chr10 -- Bosniak_Northeast
chr11 -- Albanian_Macedonia
chr12 -- German_West_Prussia
chr13 -- Italian_Veneto
chr14 -- Russian_Southwest
chr15 -- Bosniak_Northeast
chr16 -- Latvian
chr17 -- German_County_Glatz
chr18 -- Pomak_Greece
chr19 -- Greek_Lesbos
chr20 -- German_Hamburg
chr21 -- Tatar_Volga
chr22 -- Croat_Herzegovina
Athalafuns
07-27-2024, 04:24 PM
Here we see the example of a Visigothic female from Girona (my own closest pop) whose genetics show the same modern regions in common with those chromosomes that I related more to my Visigothic ancestry (read OP). She had the Frisian, the Northern France, the North and Central Italy but most importantly the small Turkic traces which confirm what I said about my chromosome 15:
Target: Spain_Visigoth:I12163
Distance: 1.8986% / 0.01898605
25.4 Germanic_europe:Frisian
20.6 Balkans:Croat_Dalmatia
15.8 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Normandy_Calvados
15.0 North_&_Central_Italy:Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_o
12.6 North_&_Central_Italy:Italian_Tuscany_Lunigiana_(Emilian)
6.4 East_Med:Greek_Cyprus_(Aegean_Greek_Profile)
2.8 East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_Rize
1.2 Egypt:Egyptian_Copt_Sudan_o
0.2 North_Mesopotamia:Assyrian_Iran_o
Since I believe this is coming from my mother's side and she wants to get tested soon, I'll be able to go into more detail about it when I have her G25.
Solitude
07-27-2024, 05:36 PM
Here we see the example of a Visigothic female from Girona (my own closest pop) whose genetics show the same modern regions in common with those chromosomes that I related more to my Visigothic ancestry (read OP). She had the Frisian, the Northern France, the North and Central Italy and even the small Turkic traces that I showed:
Target: Spain_Visigoth:I12163
Distance: 1.8986% / 0.01898605
25.4 Germanic_europe:Frisian
20.6 Balkans:Croat_Dalmatia
15.8 North_West_Europe:French_Oïl_Normandy_Calvados
15.0 North_&_Central_Italy:Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_o
12.6 North_&_Central_Italy:Italian_Tuscany_Lunigiana_(Emilian)
6.4 East_Med:Greek_Cyprus_(Aegean_Greek_Profile)
2.8 East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_Rize
1.2 Egypt:Egyptian_Copt_Sudan_o
0.2 North_Mesopotamia:Assyrian_Iran_o
Since I believe this is coming from my mother's side and she wants to get tested soon, I'll be able to go into more detail about it when I have her G25.
interesting i have these chromossomes here look like a little bit of this coord
Target: resultChr
Distance: 1325.7598% / 13.25759801
24.0 Mende_Sierra_Leone
23.0 German_Lower_Saxony_South
15.8 Yemenite_Mahra
8.4 German_North_Rhine
6.0 Austrian_LowerAustria
5.8 Druze
5.4 Brahui
3.8 Sardinian
2.8 Hezhen
2.4 Faroese
1.6 German_Schleswig-Holstein
1.0 German_Frisian
Target: resultChr
Distance: 1739.5125% / 17.39512496
42.6 German_Lower_Silesia
20.8 German_Frisian
12.4 Austrian_Styria
9.2 Mozabite
7.4 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
3.8 Druze
3.8 Sardinian
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