Albanians from Montenegro and N. Macedonia Y DNA (samples from 23andMe)

[Varda]

Montenegrin Albanians https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=7109.msg199686#msg199686

Macedonian Albanians https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=7109.msg199687#msg199687

As you can see no1 in both and all other Albanians is E-V13 (Thracian marker).
Intetesting Albos from N. Macedonis have significant higher percentage of Slavix Y DNA than those from Montenegro.

[Varda]

Montenegrin Albos by paternal lines are most paleo-Balkanic of all Albanians, but autosomally they are the most Slavic shifted Albos. Because their marriages with Serbian/Montenegrin women were relatively common.

[Varda]

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[Red0]

The most common Y-DNA are J2b2 and R1b when added together which have been found among ancient Illyrian samples.

Montenegro:

J-L283: 30%
R1b: 21.2%
E-V13: 36%


Macedonia:

J-L283: 28%
R1b: 28%
E-V13: 18%


http://www.gjenetika.com/statistikat/

E-V13 exists in the entire Balkans and was found all across Roman Balkans. Proto-Albanians weren't Thracian. Just like proto-Greeks weren't Thracian despite modern Greeks have 20%-30% E-V13. They are also founder effects. Not sure what is it with your obsession and E-V13 which isn't even that much more common as even shown by the results and founder effects. There were also refugees in the Balkans during Slavic incursions, possibly some of it got absorbed as a result in Central Ballkans and the Thracian element probably mingled with an Illyrian element during Roman Balkans. Some E-V13 is also Illyrian. We got inscription of Thracian and placenames which shows it's an unrelated to language to Albanian, and Albanian is considered related to Messapic. Why don't you accept what the actual academics say instead of keep circle jerking around.

[Red0]

Post from some other forum:



Matzinger considers Albanian to be completely unrelated to Dacian or Thracian, but closely related to Messapic. He also considers the first location of the Proto-Albanian in the Balkans to coincide with the Armenochori culture.

His theory about Armenian is certainly wrong because Armenian moved from the steppe directly to the Caucasus region. Linguistic theories of this kind always have to find correlations in genetic anthropology.

But the connections certainly exist regardless of the exact region:

Messapic: J-L283, R-Z2103, I-P78, R-PF7562>PF7563 (unpublished)
Proto-Albanian: J-L283, R-Z2103, I-P78, R-PF7562>PF7563
Proto-Armenian: R-Z2103, R-PF7562

[Red0]

All these lineages were found together in Timacum Minus:

I15544 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273,E-BY3880 HV9
I15545 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis I1,I-Z58,I-Z59,I-CTS8647,Z60,Z140,Z141 H1
I15546 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis J2b2a-L283,J-Z622,J-Z600,J-Z585,J-Z615,J-Z597 L2a1+143+16189 (16192)
I15547 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis J2b2a-L283 H+152
I15548 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis J2b2a-L283,J-Z585,J-Z615,J-Z597,J-Z638,J-Z1297,J-Z8421,J-Z631,J-Z1043 W+194
I15551 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis R1b-Z2103,R-Z2105 T1a
I15552 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis R1b-Z2103,R-M12149,R-Z2106,R-Z2108,R-Z2110,R-CTS7556,R-Y5592,R-CTS1450 H1c
I15553 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273 T2b25
I15554 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis E-V13,E-Z1057,E-CTS1273,E-BY3880 H
I15555 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis G-P303,G-L140,G-PF3346,G-PF3345,G-CTS342,G-FGC12126 X2i+@225
I15556 Timacum Minus, Slog Necropolis H10d


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timacum_Minus , E-V13 in Roman Serbia in the eastern areas was ~30% . Even there E-V13 wasn't the majority because todays % are recent founder effects. Proto-Albanians couldn't of been dominated by E-V13 because there is no such region in the Balkans where proto-Albanian came from that was ever entirely E-V13.

And even on the coastal areas of Dalmatia during the Roman period these were the lineages:



Dalmatian-speakers were present in a very confined region of northwestern Albania and PH4679+ and Z29758+ diversity doesn't point at all to non-Proto-Albanian populations, but it's interesting to note that we do have samples from at least one major Dalmatian-speaking city of late antiquity and several other sites during the same era (300-500 CE):

From Doclea (Montenegro) to Zadar(northern Dalmatia)
5 x J-M410
4 x E-L618/V13
4 x J-L283
2 x G-L497
2 x R-L2
1 x E-Z6005 (African-related)
1 x J-ZS4393
1 x R-BY250
1 x R-DF13

Contrary to speculation which goes against the data, E-V13 is just as high among coastal/island Dalmatian-speakers as J-L283 and there are many other lineages which haven't been found in BA-IA Dalmatia. Dalmatian-speakers weren't Romanized Illyrians, they were Latin-speakers from all areas of the empire.





So what exactly is it with you people and the obsession with E-V13 ?

[hazmatnik]

Montenegrin Albos by paternal lines are most paleo-Balkanic of all Albanians, but autosomally they are the most Slavic shifted Albos. Because their marriages with Serbian/Montenegrin women were relatively common.

Yup thats pretty visible on Ancestry especially.
Back in time when MH allowed you to see your matches ethnicity estimate and genetic groups many Kosovars had "Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina" genetic group among others.

[Red0]

E-V13 isn't the most common marker in many areas:

Ghegs:

J2b2+R1b = 46%
E-V13: 28%

J2b2+R1b = 40.3%
E-V13: 30.4%


http://www.gjenetika.com/statistikat/
https://rrenjet.com/statistikat/


Both R1b and J-L283 have been found within Illyrian context and represent the same group and can be added together. They are more numerous than the E-V13 and even the E-V13 doesn't represent the same group. And are also founder effects many. You also don't count modern % which are founder effects to determine the linguistic ancestor of a population. Not to mention there are other linages that exist found in West-Central Balkans such as some Y-DNA I, J2a etc which can be added, especially found in the south that is pre-Slavic and other lineages that were part of Illyrian groups or West-Central Balkan groups.

[Red0]

I-M223 which is pre-Slavic:

https://scontent.fosl3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/450739406_771887075156331_1188961922262265283_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=Vo3EtPhvHcMQ7kNvgHysr9v&_nc_ht=scontent.fosl3-1.fna&oh=00_AYD-MVzFy-yTH1RkqgfM1rxHgRZ-lUqgeAyrkjFIqCXIXA&oe=66AC9F71

[Live The Magic]

^ The obsession with Illyrianess/belonging to some random ancient people, in this one is strong. Like it matters who came where first.

[Dardanos]

I have very high slavic admixture, but my haplogroup is r1b-L23

Can someone run some calculators for me and tell me if my slavic comes from bosniak or from local kosovo slav(serb, bulgarian, macedonian)

Someone told me i have high Baltic which indicates my slavic admixture come from bosnia and not from local slav

[Far_away]

I have very high slavic admixture, but my haplogroup is r1b-L23

Can someone run some calculators for me and tell me if my slavic comes from bosniak or from local kosovo slav(serb, bulgarian, macedonian)

Someone told me i have high Baltic which indicates my slavic admixture come from bosnia and not from local slav

How much do you get? What i saw on illustrative from Albanians in Kosovo i would say Slavic admixture is 25-30% average.
Haplogroups are irrelevant because of all the mixing, autosomal dna is key. Serbs in Macedonia usually have slavic I2 Hp but are very much paleo balkan, there was user here Serb from Macedonia that barely had Slavic admixture but did had Slavic Hp.

Dna don’t know for nations but just by logic you must mixed with Serbs.
Can you send me your cords? Are they real of simulated?

[Valenman]

Apparently Albans have the highest R1b haplogroup index in the Balkans?

[Varda]

Apparently Albans have the highest R1b haplogroup index in the Balkans?

Aromanians have the highest R1b in the Balkans, almost 22% on average https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromanians#Genetic_studies

[Varda]

How much do you get? What i saw on illustrative from Albanians in Kosovo i would say Slavic admixture is 25-30% average.
Haplogroups are irrelevant because of all the mixing, autosomal dna is key. Serbs in Macedonia usually have slavic I2 Hp but are very much paleo balkan, there was user here Serb from Macedonia that barely had Slavic admixture but did had Slavic Hp.

Dna don’t know for nations but just by logic you must mixed with Serbs.
Can you send me your cords? Are they real of simulated?

25-30% is significant admixture. Kosovars are seond most Slavic shifted Albanian group on average. Only Montenegrin Albanians are more Slavic than them. Albos from Mne should be 30-35% Slavic autosomally.

[hazmatnik]

25-30% is significant admixture. Kosovars are seond most Slavic shifted Albanian group on average. Only Montenegrin Albanians are more Slavic than them. Albos from Mne should be 30-35% Slavic autosomally.

There is something i call "grandma from Bosnia" syndrome among Kosovars. Many of them when i contacted them on MH said they had grandma or great grandma or great great grandma from Bosnia. When i asked them where from Bosnia it comes out its mostly Stari Vlah and Raska actually :)

[hazmatnik]

I have very high slavic admixture, but my haplogroup is r1b-L23

Can someone run some calculators for me and tell me if my slavic comes from bosniak or from local kosovo slav(serb, bulgarian, macedonian)

Someone told me i have high Baltic which indicates my slavic admixture come from bosnia and not from local slav

Which test you did? Do you have G25 coordinates?

[Red0]

Why don't we stick to what the actual research says on Albanian language:



Proto-Albanian is the ancestral reconstructed language of Albanian, before the Gheg–Tosk dialectal diversification (before c. 600 CE).[2] Albanoid and other Paleo-Balkan languages had their formative core in the Balkans after the Indo-European migrations in the region.[3][4] Whether descendants or sister languages of what was called Illyrian by classical sources, Albanian and Messapic, on the basis of shared features and innovations, are grouped together in a common branch in the current phylogenetic classification of the Indo-European language family.[5] The precursor of Albanian can be considered a completely formed independent IE language since at least the first millennium BCE, with the beginning of the early Proto-Albanian phase.[1]





The precursor of Albanian can be considered a completely formed independent IE language since at least the first millennium BCE, with the beginning of the early Proto-Albanian phase.[1] The precursor of Albanian is often thought to have been an Illyrian language for obvious geographic and historical reasons as well as for some linguistic evidence,[15] or otherwise an unmentioned Balkan Indo-European language that was closely related to Illyrian and Messapic.[16] Messapic, which is grouped in the same IE branch of Albanian, developed in southeast Italy after crossing the Adriatic Sea at least since the Early Iron Age, being attested in about six hundred inscriptions from Iron Age Apulia.[17]

In classical antiquity Proto-Albanian was spoken in the central-western part of the Balkan Peninsula, to the north and west of the Ancient Greeks, as shown by early Doric Greek (West Greek) and Ancient Macedonian loanwords that were treated with characteristic Albanian features, by classical place names exclusively observing Albanian accent and phonetic rules, as well as by several Proto-Albanian items preserved in ancient glossaries.[18]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Albanian_language

[Far_away]

25-30% is significant admixture. Kosovars are seond most Slavic shifted Albanian group on average. Only Montenegrin Albanians are more Slavic than them. Albos from Mne should be 30-35% Slavic autosomally.

Thats right it is a lot. Amazing. More and more Albanians are doing the test.

https://i.ibb.co/Btx7D2v/1.png


I just found one sample of Albanian from Montenegro


Target: Albanian:Montenegro1
Distance: 1.4745% / 0.01474510
50.2 BalkanIA
32.2 East_Europe
17.6 Anatolia_Roman

From Kosovo


Target: Albanian:Kosovo01
Distance: 1.5193% / 0.01519347
58.8 BalkanIA
36.0 East_Europe
5.2 Anatolia_Roman

Target: Albanian:Kosovo02
Distance: 1.4545% / 0.01454517
58.0 BalkanIA
25.6 East_Europe
16.4 Anatolia_Roman

Calculator made by Albanian.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?379436-A-genetic-history-of-the-Balkans-from-Roman-frontier-to-Slavic-migrations/page16

[Dardanos]

25-30% is significant admixture. Kosovars are seond most Slavic shifted Albanian group on average. Only Montenegrin Albanians are more Slavic than them. Albos from Mne should be 30-35% Slavic autosomally.

Most are montenegro albanians, least are highlanders from mirdita

[Dardanos]

There is something i call "grandma from Bosnia" syndrome among Kosovars. Many of them when i contacted them on MH said they had grandma or great grandma or great great grandma from Bosnia. When i asked them where from Bosnia it comes out its mostly Stari Vlah and Raska actually :)

I heard that after ww1 and ww2 the ratio of man female in bosnia was more girls then boys and they would send their girls to kosovo to get married rather to give them to serbs or croats

[Varda]

I heard that after ww1 and ww2 the ratio of man female in bosnia was more girls then boys and they would send their girls to kosovo to get married rather to give them to serbs or croats

Former Albo user Dema who is also present at Eupedia forum have higher Slavic admixture than Kosovo Albanian average. Dema is Žegra near Gnjilane. His ancestors in early 20th century were recorded as 'Arnautaši' (albanized Serbs) by one Serbian ethnologists and they were bilingual. Two other Albo user at Eupedia attacket Dema because of his origin. They also said his Y DNA is exotic for Albanians. Dema is J2b-M205 which is significant higher among Serbs than among Albos. Serbs which are J2b-M205 mostly originated from tribe Kriči (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriči). Kriči for sure were not Albo tribe as Albos wrote at Wiki. They were Vlach tribe and probably East Romance speakers (mount Durmitor where Kriči lived have meaning in Romanian language). Kriči are serbified in 14/15th century. Dema is probably descendant of some Krič who migrated from Durmitor to Kosovo and for generations later his descendants are albanized. Before albanization Dema's ancestors were regular Serbs, further Vlach origin diesn't matter. Descendants of Kriči by paternal lines today exist among Serbs from many regions, in smaller number they exist among Bosniaks and Croatians as well.

[MandM]

Montenegrins and Albanians have mixed more then any of them maby want to admit, i talked to my wifes family Down there, and they are all a mix of Rovcani, Vasojevici, Kuci and Moracani, and they said all but Rovcani are eather Albanians in origin or they have mixed, and I have seen they talk about this in poreklo to so there must be some truth in it.
I joke with my wife now that when i orderd a montenegrin wife on wish i got an Albanian :1127:

[hazmatnik]

I heard that after ww1 and ww2 the ratio of man female in bosnia was more girls then boys and they would send their girls to kosovo to get married rather to give them to serbs or croats

Not sure about that, i didnt go so far to ask them why their ancestors married women from Bosnia.

[hazmatnik]

Former Albo user Dema who is also present at Eupedia forum have higher Slavic admixture than Kosovo Albanian average. Dema is Žegra near Gnjilane. His ancestors in early 20th century were recorded as 'Arnautaši' (albanized Serbs) by one Serbian ethnologists and they were bilingual. Two other Albo user at Eupedia attacket Dema because of his origin. They also said his Y DNA is exotic for Albanians. Dema is J2b-M205 which is significant higher among Serbs than among Albos. Serbs which are J2b-M205 mostly originated from tribe Kriči

There is large group of families in SE Serbia who are J-M205 and chances are greater he is descendant of them than Krici.
Those guys form subclade with some others from Shopluk.
Lohja tribe is J-M205 too but they form another subclade.

[Pepa]

All northern Albos have same ammount of ancient Balkan dna also v13 isn’t Thracian it’s from illyrians that migrated east

[Varda]

There is large group of families in SE Serbia who are J-M205 and chances are greater he is descendant of them than Krici.
Those guys form subclade with some others from Shopluk.
Lohja tribe is J-M205 too but they form another subclade.

One of the Albo guys who attacked Dema at Eupedia said Dema's paternal ancestor came to Albania from Montenegro and joined to Berisha clan (E-V13), and later his descendant together with real Berishas settled to Kosovo. If that is true Dema would be autosomally as average Kosovar Albanian. His result suggest relatively recent Serbian ancestry, and what Serbian ethnologist wrote also go in that direction.

Btw at Poreklo few years ago was active Albanian from diaspora with nick Rugovac. He is born in 1950s and know Serbian language. He was banned from Foleja because he suppprted theory about Thracian origin of proto-Albanians. Rugovac once said Islam brought only bad things to Albanians. He said it would not be Dema and other 'Atnautaši' in Albanian corpus, but Albanians would be more numerous than today. According to him without islamization of Albanians Arvanites would preserved Albanian identity, because presure of the Muslim Albabians against them pushed them into Greek nation. He also said that without Islam would not be conflicts between Albanians and Serbs.

[hazmatnik]

His result suggest relatively recent Serbian ancestry, and what Serbian ethnologist wrote also go in that direction.

Bte at Poreklo few years ago was active Albanian from diaspora with nick Rugovac.

Those things did happen, we all know that.

Rugovac had some interesting posts, too bad he doesnt post anywhere anymore.

My maternal grandpa mother family is from somewhere near Gnjilane, my grandpa gets bunch of matches from that area from both ethnic groups. They were kicked out of there same time Albanians got kicked out from SE Serbia.

[Red0]

I advice to read more on proto-Albanian here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Albanian_language

[Varda]

^^
Aromanians call Vlore Avlona.


https://youtu.be/MmUS2dGUU7g

[Dardanos]

One of the Albo guys who attacked Dema at Eupedia said Dema's paternal ancestor came to Albania from Montenegro and joined to Berisha clan (E-V13), and later his descendant together with real Berishas settled to Kosovo. If that is true Dema would be autosomally as average Kosovar Albanian. His result suggest relatively recent Serbian ancestry, and what Serbian ethnologist wrote also go in that direction.

Btw at Poreklo few years ago was active Albanian from diaspora with nick Rugovac. He is born in 1950s and know Serbian language. He was banned from Foleja because he suppprted theory about Thracian origin of proto-Albanians. Rugovac once said Islam brought only bad things to Albanians. He said it would not be Dema and other 'Atnautaši' in Albanian corpus, but Albanians would be more numerous than today. According to him without islamization of Albanians Arvanites would preserved Albanian identity, because presure of the Muslim Albabians against them pushed them into Greek nation. He also said that without Islam would not be conflicts between Albanians and Serbs.

Yes islam brought slavic admixture in albanians, if we see medieval Albanian tests they had little slavic admixture, gheghs would be like Mat highlanders(mirdita,puka,mati)
Turks were the cataclysm that made people migrate and muslim people started mixing

The catholics there(5-10%) have lowest slavic admixture amongst all gheghs, but the catholics in montenegro the highest (35-40%)

[MandM]

I advice to read more on proto-Albanian here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Albanian_language

The map you provaded at least this looks more plossible then other maps or theorys that many Albanians promote

[Red0]

There are no mainstream linguists today that argue that Albanian is a Thracian or Dacian language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reconstructed_Dacian_words , it's a different language from Albanian. Such placenames as in the wiki link survived in Bulgaria from the Bessi tribe and were picked up by Slavs but do not appear in Albanian lands or even most of Dardania. E-V13 isn't ''no1'' Albanian marker because E-V13 isn't even that much more common or neccessarily the most common, and all of it doesn't have the same history just because it's E-V13. And most are founder effects. And you would have to prove that all E-V13 came from Dacian or Thracian since E-V13 isn't even a steppe lineage that could of come with proto-Thracians or proto-Dacians. And Indo-European languages weren't spread by people that were E-V13. Albanian might have Thracian influence, that's a different claim than claiming actual proto-Albanians were Thracian/Dacian which does not seem to be the case at all.

[Red0]

This is a completely misleading thread of course because when you look at the actual facts and look at results of Northern Albanians / Kosovars you see that E-V13 is not even the highest firstly or even by that much. For some areas in the north of Albania / Montenegro we got some good amount of samples and E-V13 isn't the highest there and the high amount of E-V13 in some areas and such as in Kosovo is nothing but a recent founder effect but it doesn't seem like these people even know what founder effects are. These retards actually think proto-Albanians were some kind of 40%+++ or even 90% E-V13 population when even Timacum Minus in the east of Serbia barely had 30% E-V13. The frequencies you see today are founder effects in all populations. E-V13 literally existed in the entire Roman Empire.

[Red0]

Scholars group Albanian with Illyrian and Messapic:



Messapic forms part of the Paleo-Balkan languages. Based upon lexical similarities with the Illyrian languages, some scholars contend that Messapic may have developed from a dialect of pre-Illyrian, meaning that it would have diverged substantially from the Illyrian language(s) spoken in the Balkans by the 5th century BC, while others considered it a direct dialect of Iron Age Illyrian. Messapic is today considered an independent language and not a dialect of Illyrian. Although the unclear interpretation of Messapic inscriptions cannot warrant the placement of Messapic in any specific Indo-European subfamily,[16] some scholars place Illyrian and Messapic in the same branch. Eric Hamp has grouped them under "Messapo-Illyrian", which is further grouped with Albanian under "Adriatic Indo-European".[17] Other schemes group the three languages under "General Illyrian" and "Western Paleo-Balkan".[18]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messapic_language



There are no mainstream scholars today that argue Albanian is Thracian/Dacian. Also E-V13 could of been present at one point among inland Illyrian tribes or got absorbed as Thracian and Illyrian tribes literally neighbored each other such as Triballi, Maedi, Dardani, Autariatae etc. Also the origin of E-V13 is largely up for debate. It was all over the Roman Empire. You and these clowns seem to suffer from this illusion that because Albos got E-V13 supposedly cannot claim to be Illyrian but I am not sure in what kind of planet you live in clown as we do got significant Illyrian Y-DNA, actually nobody gives a shit about E-V13. It's presence doesn't change much the facts at all nor the Illyrian-Messapic connection.

[-Scar-]

25-30% is significant admixture. Kosovars are seond most Slavic shifted Albanian group on average. Only Montenegrin Albanians are more Slavic than them. Albos from Mne should be 30-35% Slavic autosomally.

We have not unlocked fully all the samples from Balkans. Serbs themselves are 45% shifted towards Poles/West Ukrainians compared to North Albanians nearly matching their Y-DNA. I really don't believe in that heavy Slavic Maternal DNA. Not that I have a problem with it.

I think using something as Tuscan + BGR_IA you get 15% Slavic for North Albanians and 55% for Serbians. Not saying this model is perfect but still it shows other possibilities.

[Red0]

Montenegrin Albanians https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=7109.msg199686#msg199686

Macedonian Albanians https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=7109.msg199687#msg199687

As you can see no1 in both and all other Albanians is E-V13 (Thracian marker).
Intetesting Albos from N. Macedonis have significant higher percentage of Slavix Y DNA than those from Montenegro.

The Illyrian lineages are the most numerous in many areas when you add them together, even in the set that was posted and just shows how dishonest you people are.

The E-V13 , while some were proto-Albanian before Slavic migrations, majority are medieval founder effects. The E-V13 in Albos is nothing unusual as it was around 20%-30% in West-Central Balkan Late Antiquity samples. E-V13 today is also 20%-30% in Greeks. So it entered Albanians through various periods like it entered every other group of people and has experienced various founder effects. Also the origin of all the E-V13 is up for debate. Not sure what is it with you people on that forum trying to associate Albanian with Thracian/Dacian a language that literally has nothing to do with Albanian. Why don't you accept what the actual data says that Albanian is related to Illyrian/Messapic which is also where the main Albanian lineages come from (J-L283, R-Z2103, R-PF7562/63, I) and not Dacian/Thracian, even modern Greeks have today 20%-30% E-V13, no one tries to argue Greek came from a Thracian/Dacian language. It's just an illusion that you people suffer from. Literally trying to connect Albanian to a language it has nothing to do with based on an Y-DNA that was all over the Roman Empire, founder effects, and even present among Greeks but somehow it must be *The Proto-Albanian marker*. No, it is most definitely not.


Easternmost expansion of proto-Albanian was Nish in Dardania. Proto-Albanian could of not been located more east than that. The survival and development of placenames allows us to guess where Albanian was located in the antiquity.