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Johnson Reed
07-31-2024, 02:40 AM
Ireland_EBA.SG,0.1255847,0.1272797,0.0618477,0.063 308,0.03098,0.0191503,0.0053267,0.006769,-0.0022497,-0.001883,0.0002707,0.0082427,-0.0130327,-0.027983,0.033975,0.024529,0.000956,0.0075167,0.00 09217,0.011339,0.0088593,0.0093563,0.0003697,0.014 2187,0.005788

Shifts northwest even of modern Irish and Norwegians

55% Steppe
15.2% WHG
29.8% EEF

Figaro
07-31-2024, 02:45 AM
The mysterious Early BA in the Isles is so intriguing- what did these people speak, I wonder? Last night I was just thinking about the Picts and the findings regarding their heavy BA ancestry (though probably gradually Celtified, of course) . Some paper that came out a few months back or so? Anyway, good post.

Johnson Reed
07-31-2024, 08:54 AM
The mysterious Early BA in the Isles is so intriguing- what did these people speak, I wonder? Last night I was just thinking about the Picts and the findings regarding their heavy BA ancestry (though probably gradually Celtified, of course) . Some paper that came out a few months back or so? Anyway, good post.

Maybe they spoke Proto-IE

Grace O'Malley
07-31-2024, 09:15 AM
How the Celtic language came to be spoken in Ireland is something I would like to see more study done on although possibly it is something that will never be solved. I hope it will be though. I think the Bell Beakers did speak Proto-IE so possibly Celtic languages might have been similar or it was widespread over a large part of Europe before Germanic and Romance languages took over. I don't know enough about languages to discuss in depth. The Celts are mostly likely what caused the more southern shift in the Irish since the Bronze Age but it appears obvious that these Celts were British Celts because the shift is not that big.

Johnson Reed
07-31-2024, 09:23 AM
How the Celtic language came to be spoken in Ireland is something I would like to see more study done on although possibly it is something that will never be solved. I hope it will be though. I think the Bell Beakers did speak Proto-IE so possibly Celtic languages might have been similar or it was widespread over a large part of Europe before Germanic and Romance languages took over. I don't know enough about languages to discuss in depth. The Celts are mostly likely what caused the more southern shift in the Irish since the Bronze Age but it appears obvious that these Celts were British Celts because the shift is not that big.

Yes, the Irish have much more genetic continuity than Jews or Greeks do, that's for sure.