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cass
08-05-2024, 06:07 PM
Just for fun.

link (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eKPJkoFr977nl_39zKu-nXD6ZlbCHQC9/view?usp=sharing)


Target: cass
Distance: 5.1147% / 0.05114702
81.8 Moksha
16.6 Turkish_Chitak
1.0 Lebanese_Christian
0.6 Moroccan_North

Russki
08-05-2024, 06:16 PM
Moksha's Siberian affinity is slightly below Central Finns, I think they qualify as Euro by the criteria in which Finland is Euro.


https://sun9-17.userapi.com/impg/e1vTRj7ktr7G7ll8tFfQIyOnKgdtxFJ2PLjtdg/0N_BIoSsiwE.jpg?size=620x370&quality=95&sign=11c7ca568a1994f1fb59a3171e4e16e3&type=album

cass
08-05-2024, 06:20 PM
Moksha's Siberian affinity is slightly below Central Finns, I think they qualify as Euro by the criteria in which Finland is Euro.


https://sun9-17.userapi.com/impg/e1vTRj7ktr7G7ll8tFfQIyOnKgdtxFJ2PLjtdg/0N_BIoSsiwE.jpg?size=620x370&quality=95&sign=11c7ca568a1994f1fb59a3171e4e16e3&type=album

Without the Volga Finns, the calculator will flatten everything to Turkey.

vader
08-05-2024, 06:29 PM
Distance to: Algarvio_scaled
0.08072260 Turkish_Deliorman
0.08106839 Turkish_Chitak
0.08425275 Turkish_Rumeli
0.09172155 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.11185269 Turkish_Lesbos
0.11649116 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.12773781 Turkish_Nevsehir
0.12791320 Syrian_Aleppo
0.12839221 Moksha
0.12888091 Turkish_Konya
0.12903325 Turkish_Balikesir
0.13201724 Turkish_Kayseri
0.13207861 Turkish_Aydin
0.13239650 Turkish_Denizli
0.13450989 Mordovian
0.13493223 Alawite
0.13510686 Erzya
0.13557396 Lebanese_Muslim
0.13620936 Druze
0.13643950 Turkish_Antalya
0.13649401 Karaite_Egypt
0.13760815 Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut
0.13772715 Lebanese_Druze
0.13839850 Turkish_Sivas
0.13873245 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Beirut


Distance to: Wife_scaled
0.12475067 Cree
0.16250454 Tlingit
0.24717793 Bashkir
0.24906028 Tatar_Siberian
0.25136728 Uzbek
0.25463169 Nogai_Dobruja
0.25496749 Turkmen
0.25712600 Hazara_o
0.25894818 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.26066420 Khanty_o1
0.26169814 Nogai
0.26229701 Uygur
0.26432339 Chipewyan
0.26466420 Besermyan
0.26521906 Udmurt
0.26617218 Turkmen_Iran
0.26768661 Karakalpak
0.26833380 Yukagir_Forest
0.26923666 Tatar_Kazan
0.27047272 Hazara
0.27116264 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.27159194 Ket_o1
0.27164992 Tajik_Tajikistan_Hisor
0.27219102 Altaian_Kizhi_o
0.27294561 Tubalar

Athalafuns
08-05-2024, 06:41 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/C5CBFCd3/IMG-20240805-203520.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Target: RNB27
Distance: 7.2526% / 0.07252604
39.6 Turkish_Chitak
26.4 Moksha
18.6 Moroccan_North
15.4 Turkish_Deliorman

gixajo
08-05-2024, 06:41 PM
Distance to: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
0.09138820 Turkish_Deliorman
0.09311682 Turkish_Chitak
0.09794536 Turkish_Rumeli
0.10613833 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.12816398 Turkish_Lesbos
0.12899543 Moksha
0.13236288 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.13519491 Mordovian
0.13557401 Erzya
0.14248774 Turkish_Nevsehir
0.14368202 Turkish_Konya
0.14374380 Turkish_Balikesir
0.14436681 Syrian_Aleppo
0.14595563 Turkish_Kayseri
0.14801313 Turkish_Aydin
0.14828366 Turkish_Denizli
0.15010254 Alawite
0.15046300 Druze
0.15096454 Tatar_Mishar
0.15113129 Karaite_Egypt
0.15150120 Lebanese_Muslim
0.15214979 Turkish_Sivas
0.15217106 Lebanese_Druze
0.15224638 Turkish_Antalya
0.15374476 Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut

Distance to: gixajo_scaled(23andMe)
0.09085047 Turkish_Deliorman
0.09232813 Turkish_Chitak
0.09719008 Turkish_Rumeli
0.10616228 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.12714810 Moksha
0.12779911 Turkish_Lesbos
0.13214668 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.13325170 Mordovian
0.13358571 Erzya
0.14199206 Turkish_Nevsehir
0.14315703 Turkish_Balikesir
0.14330191 Turkish_Konya
0.14353370 Syrian_Aleppo
0.14556315 Turkish_Kayseri
0.14770136 Turkish_Denizli
0.14771608 Turkish_Aydin
0.14886110 Tatar_Mishar
0.15013239 Alawite
0.15077255 Druze
0.15130064 Lebanese_Muslim
0.15135716 Karaite_Egypt
0.15151382 Turkish_Sivas
0.15153844 Turkish_Antalya
0.15204753 Lebanese_Druze
0.15356558 Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut

Target: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
Distance: 8.6130% / 0.08612955
33.6 Turkish_Deliorman
28.8 Turkish_Chitak
22.0 Moksha
15.6 Moroccan_North

Target: gixajo_scaled(23andMe)
Distance: 8.5194% / 0.08519365
33.8 Turkish_Chitak
25.6 Turkish_Deliorman
24.8 Moksha
15.8 Moroccan_North

ScandinavianCelt
08-05-2024, 06:46 PM
Target: SC_IllustrativeDNA_Average2datasets_Scaled
Distance: 6.3898% / 0.06389825
70.6 Moksha
17.0 Turkish_Chitak
6.8 Ratlub
5.6 Moroccan_North

Balboa
08-05-2024, 06:56 PM
Target: Balboa_paternal
Distance: 4.6423% / 0.04642319
43.8 Lebanese_Christian
29.6 Turkish_Deliorman
26.4 Turkish_Chitak
0.2 Berber_Tunisia_Chen

Target: Balboa_maternal
Distance: 12.8304% / 0.12830447
30.0 Turkish_Chitak
26.0 Turkish_Deliorman
25.6 Lebanese_Christian
18.4 Berber_Tunisia_Chen

Target: Balboa
Distance: 8.8261% / 0.08826102
37.8 Lebanese_Christian
34.2 Turkish_Chitak
20.2 Turkish_Deliorman
7.8 Berber_Tunisia_Chen






Distance to: Balboa_paternal
0.06766242 Turkish_Chitak
0.06922526 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.07371744 Turkish_Rumeli
0.07463065 Turkish_Deliorman
0.07706690 Druze
0.07759419 Alawite
0.07907905 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.07954656 Lebanese_Druze
0.08011522 Karaite_Egypt
0.08029377 Syrian_Aleppo
0.08094236 Lebanese_Christian
0.08117404 Lebanese_Muslim
0.08220576 Lebanese_Maronite_Christian_Zgharta
0.08311658 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Dinniyeh
0.08326149 Lebanese_Orthodox_Christian_Koura
0.08451548 Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut
0.08679002 Syrian_Hama
0.08702843 Turkish_Nevsehir
0.08805038 Turkish_Kayseri
0.08940272 Turkish_Lesbos
0.09018750 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Beirut
0.09026027 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.09071476 Turkish_Konya
0.09139227 Chaldean_Iraq
0.09249586 Syrian

Distance to: Balboa_maternal
0.14085563 Turkish_Chitak
0.14355195 Turkish_Rumeli
0.14411203 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.14455342 Turkish_Deliorman
0.14792369 Lebanese_Christian
0.14960615 Druze
0.15102033 Lebanese_Maronite_Christian_Zgharta
0.15170099 Lebanese_Orthodox_Christian_Koura
0.15214883 Karaite_Egypt
0.15226056 Alawite
0.15279157 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Dinniyeh
0.15292309 Lebanese_Druze
0.15294855 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.15358734 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.15568674 Lebanese_Muslim
0.15734597 Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut
0.15769190 Turkish_Lesbos
0.15793723 Samaritan
0.15836803 Syrian_Aleppo
0.16169144 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Beirut
0.16260362 Karaite_Iraq
0.16334929 Syrian_Hama
0.16647473 Syrian
0.16806744 Turkish_Konya
0.16808085 Jordanian

Distance to: Balboa
0.10277868 Turkish_Chitak
0.10613298 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.10809840 Turkish_Rumeli
0.10840475 Turkish_Deliorman
0.10976225 Lebanese_Christian
0.10983397 Druze
0.11205516 Alawite
0.11235077 Lebanese_Maronite_Christian_Zgharta
0.11258352 Karaite_Egypt
0.11317386 Lebanese_Druze
0.11320829 Lebanese_Orthodox_Christian_Koura
0.11372375 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Dinniyeh
0.11589493 Lebanese_Muslim
0.11602699 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.11688798 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.11823937 Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut
0.11850209 Syrian_Aleppo
0.12265855 Samaritan
0.12300948 Syrian_Hama
0.12303622 Turkish_Lesbos
0.12335921 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Beirut
0.12394614 Karaite_Iraq
0.12761991 Syrian
0.12801152 Chaldean_Iraq
0.12815541 Turkish_Nevsehir

EasternLusitanian
08-05-2024, 07:15 PM
Distance to: MV_scaled
0.08309385 Turkish_Chitak
0.08628736 Turkish_Deliorman
0.08704323 Turkish_Rumeli
0.09314787 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.11180173 Turkish_Lesbos
0.11402998 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.11974829 Syrian_Aleppo
0.12385228 Turkish_Nevsehir
0.12583801 Alawite
0.12609977 Turkish_Konya
0.12655678 Druze
0.12692208 Lebanese_Muslim
0.12716991 Karaite_Egypt
0.12793412 Lebanese_Druze
0.12802901 Turkish_Kayseri
0.12883939 Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut
0.12953729 Lebanese_Christian
0.13018746 Turkish_Balikesir
0.13079675 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Beirut
0.13166530 Syrian
0.13212561 Turkish_Aydin
0.13246905 Lebanese_Orthodox_Christian_Koura
0.13249509 Lebanese_Maronite_Christian_Zgharta
0.13252002 Turkish_Denizli
0.13343012 Syrian_Hama

Is there any difference between the Chitak and Deliorman turkish samples?

noricum
08-05-2024, 07:22 PM
Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 5.9033% / 0.05903294
82.2 Moksha
17.4 Samaritan
0.4 Berber_Tunisia_Chen

Beowulf
08-05-2024, 07:25 PM
<tbody>
Distance to:
Beowulf_Scaled


0.07492317
Turkish_Deliorman


0.07749292
Turkish_Chitak


0.08237427
Turkish_Rumeli


0.09097953
Turkish_Canakkale_Europe


0.11241021
Moksha


0.11571878
Turkish_Lesbos


0.11906054
Mordovian


0.11950450
Erzya


0.12259785
Turkish_Dodecanese


0.13114038
Turkish_Nevsehir


0.13230247
Turkish_Balikesir


0.13269888
Turkish_Konya


0.13482207
Turkish_Kayseri


0.13642825
Turkish_Denizli


0.13649902
Turkish_Aydin


0.13662333
Tatar_Mishar


0.13673443
Syrian_Aleppo


0.13992083
Kumyk


0.14010418
Turkish_Sivas


0.14036493
Kabardin


0.14096983
Turkish_Antalya


0.14367232
Tat_Dagestan_Dzhalgan


0.14407298
Alawite


0.14415791
Tabasaran


0.14439625
Kaitag



</tbody>


Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0710% / 0.07100472
37.0 Turkish_Chitak
28.0 Turkish_Deliorman
24.9 Moksha
9.5 Moroccan_North
0.6 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour

cass
08-05-2024, 07:30 PM
Distance to: MV_scaled
0.08309385 Turkish_Chitak
0.08628736 Turkish_Deliorman
0.08704323 Turkish_Rumeli
0.09314787 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.11180173 Turkish_Lesbos
0.11402998 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.11974829 Syrian_Aleppo
0.12385228 Turkish_Nevsehir
0.12583801 Alawite
0.12609977 Turkish_Konya
0.12655678 Druze
0.12692208 Lebanese_Muslim
0.12716991 Karaite_Egypt
0.12793412 Lebanese_Druze
0.12802901 Turkish_Kayseri
0.12883939 Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut
0.12953729 Lebanese_Christian
0.13018746 Turkish_Balikesir
0.13079675 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Beirut
0.13166530 Syrian
0.13212561 Turkish_Aydin
0.13246905 Lebanese_Orthodox_Christian_Koura
0.13249509 Lebanese_Maronite_Christian_Zgharta
0.13252002 Turkish_Denizli
0.13343012 Syrian_Hama

Is there any difference between the Chitak and Deliorman turkish samples?

Slight difference

Distance to: Turkish_Deliorman
0.17467221 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
0.22895648 HG:GEO_CHG:KK1
0.24624298 IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_low_res:I2312_all_d
0.27179379 HG:RUS_Samara_HG:I0124
0.28016979 HG:NOR_N_HG:Steigen
0.28594151 HG:RUS_Karelia_HG
0.30262602 HG:SWE_Motala_HG
0.32099630 HG:ROU_Iron_Gates_HG
0.32916280 HG:Baltic_LVA_HG
0.38581350 HG:WHG
0.46722755 IDN_Leang_Panninge_7100BP:GUP001
0.50473695 RUS_Sakhalin_HG:I15926
0.53151856 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP:C1
0.55695704 CHN_Xiaojingshan_N:XJS1311_M16
0.73137268 TZA_Pemba_600BP:I2298


Distance to: Turkish_Chitak
0.16508400 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
0.22891047 HG:GEO_CHG:KK1
0.25155821 IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_low_res:I2312_all_d
0.28241647 HG:RUS_Samara_HG:I0124
0.28920580 HG:NOR_N_HG:Steigen
0.29651343 HG:RUS_Karelia_HG
0.31064967 HG:SWE_Motala_HG
0.32791959 HG:ROU_Iron_Gates_HG
0.33710985 HG:Baltic_LVA_HG
0.39268135 HG:WHG
0.47371714 IDN_Leang_Panninge_7100BP:GUP001
0.51504775 RUS_Sakhalin_HG:I15926
0.54093686 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP:C1
0.56639672 CHN_Xiaojingshan_N:XJS1311_M16
0.72729364 TZA_Pemba_600BP:I2298

cass
08-05-2024, 07:36 PM
<tbody>
Distance to:
Beowulf_Scaled


0.07492317
Turkish_Deliorman


0.07749292
Turkish_Chitak


0.08237427
Turkish_Rumeli


0.09097953
Turkish_Canakkale_Europe


0.11241021
Moksha


0.11571878
Turkish_Lesbos


0.11906054
Mordovian


0.11950450
Erzya


0.12259785
Turkish_Dodecanese


0.13114038
Turkish_Nevsehir


0.13230247
Turkish_Balikesir


0.13269888
Turkish_Konya


0.13482207
Turkish_Kayseri


0.13642825
Turkish_Denizli


0.13649902
Turkish_Aydin


0.13662333
Tatar_Mishar


0.13673443
Syrian_Aleppo


0.13992083
Kumyk


0.14010418
Turkish_Sivas


0.14036493
Kabardin


0.14096983
Turkish_Antalya


0.14367232
Tat_Dagestan_Dzhalgan


0.14407298
Alawite


0.14415791
Tabasaran


0.14439625
Kaitag



</tbody>


Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0710% / 0.07100472
37.0 Turkish_Chitak
28.0 Turkish_Deliorman
24.9 Moksha
9.5 Moroccan_North
0.6 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour


https://i.postimg.cc/C5CBFCd3/IMG-20240805-203520.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Target: RNB27
Distance: 7.2526% / 0.07252604
39.6 Turkish_Chitak
26.4 Moksha
18.6 Moroccan_North
15.4 Turkish_Deliorman

https://i.ibb.co/Dpp59QG/q-P7f85gu-JEf-q1-XCex1cxr-R-6-A5-Qgn-XTYDIs-TIm2s-BSf4a-W0-Vtww-MGz8j-RVl-Y8-s-L6n9-Ey-Cu-Rub-Jl2c-E.jpg (https://ibb.co/Dpp59QG)

I expected so

Dušan
08-05-2024, 07:38 PM
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 5.2126% / 0.05212624
65.6 Moksha
14.2 Samaritan
11.4 Turkish_Chitak
5.4 Turkish_Trabzon
3.0 Turkish_Deliorman
0.4 Berber_Tunisia_Chen

cass
08-05-2024, 07:59 PM
Target: SC_IllustrativeDNA_Average2datasets_Scaled
Distance: 6.3898% / 0.06389825
70.6 Moksha
17.0 Turkish_Chitak
6.8 Ratlub
5.6 Moroccan_North

Distance to: cass
0.05536887 Moksha
0.06211614 Mordovian
0.06247133 Erzya
0.09347053 Turkish_Deliorman
0.10169692 Turkish_Chitak
0.10403826 Tatar_Mishar
0.10893506 Turkish_Rumeli
0.12032668 Komi_A
0.12165664 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.13689640 Tatar_Kazan
0.14739399 Turkish_Lesbos
0.14867513 Kaitag
0.15053793 Andian_B
0.15272972 Akhvakh
0.15311604 Tabasaran
0.15369309 Ratlub
0.15577391 Lak
0.15583541 Kumyk
0.15657725 Turkish_Balikesir
0.15669634 Kubachinian
0.15766748 Bagvalin
0.15777419 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.15785942 Kabardin
0.15793850 Chamalin
0.15947768 Tindal

You probably have a greater distance to the Fins as well.

ScandinavianCelt
08-05-2024, 08:34 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/C5CBFCd3/IMG-20240805-203520.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Target: RNB27
Distance: 7.2526% / 0.07252604
39.6 Turkish_Chitak
26.4 Moksha
18.6 Moroccan_North
15.4 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: SC_IllustrativeDNA_Average2datasets_Scaled
Distance: 6.3898% / 0.06389825
70.6 Moksha
17.0 Turkish_Chitak
6.8 Ratlub
5.6 Moroccan_North

@RNB27

I'd say Moksha is a good proxy measurement for our Euro-N-S difference-- I'd be about 44% more northern, and you over 3x more southern. You are closer to 40% more farmer. Quite a chunk. Your Gedmatch Farmer-HG painting of chromosomes would be fun to see. I get some swathes of it, but definitely not like yours.

What do you score on that Gedmatch HG-Farmer calc for total farming? Their site was down today so I couldn't check mine yet, but I recall most of it came from "Western_Farmers"

Figaro
08-05-2024, 08:42 PM
Target: CordedFather
Distance: 6.3630% / 0.06362978
64.0 Moksha
33.4 Turkish_Chitak
2.6 Moroccan_North

Target: CordedMother
Distance: 4.5254% / 0.04525398
78.2 Moksha
14.4 Turkish_Chitak
5.0 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
2.4 Moroccan_North

Abriekman
08-05-2024, 08:52 PM
Target: Abriekman_scaled
Distance: 4.0344% / 0.04034380
84.8 Moksha
15.2 Lebanese_Christian

Relatively low distance

I always have some kind of affinity to Lebanese, Assyrians. I do not know why. My Ashkenazi Jewish admixture is only about 1%

Sovanz
08-05-2024, 09:07 PM
Distance to: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
0.09138820 Turkish_Deliorman
0.09311682 Turkish_Chitak
0.09794536 Turkish_Rumeli
0.10613833 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.12816398 Turkish_Lesbos
0.12899543 Moksha
0.13236288 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.13519491 Mordovian
0.13557401 Erzya
0.14248774 Turkish_Nevsehir
0.14368202 Turkish_Konya
0.14374380 Turkish_Balikesir
0.14436681 Syrian_Aleppo
0.14595563 Turkish_Kayseri
0.14801313 Turkish_Aydin
0.14828366 Turkish_Denizli
0.15010254 Alawite
0.15046300 Druze
0.15096454 Tatar_Mishar
0.15113129 Karaite_Egypt
0.15150120 Lebanese_Muslim
0.15214979 Turkish_Sivas
0.15217106 Lebanese_Druze
0.15224638 Turkish_Antalya
0.15374476 Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut

Distance to: gixajo_scaled(23andMe)
0.09085047 Turkish_Deliorman
0.09232813 Turkish_Chitak
0.09719008 Turkish_Rumeli
0.10616228 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.12714810 Moksha
0.12779911 Turkish_Lesbos
0.13214668 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.13325170 Mordovian
0.13358571 Erzya
0.14199206 Turkish_Nevsehir
0.14315703 Turkish_Balikesir
0.14330191 Turkish_Konya
0.14353370 Syrian_Aleppo
0.14556315 Turkish_Kayseri
0.14770136 Turkish_Denizli
0.14771608 Turkish_Aydin
0.14886110 Tatar_Mishar
0.15013239 Alawite
0.15077255 Druze
0.15130064 Lebanese_Muslim
0.15135716 Karaite_Egypt
0.15151382 Turkish_Sivas
0.15153844 Turkish_Antalya
0.15204753 Lebanese_Druze
0.15356558 Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut

Target: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
Distance: 8.6130% / 0.08612955
33.6 Turkish_Deliorman
28.8 Turkish_Chitak
22.0 Moksha
15.6 Moroccan_North

Target: gixajo_scaled(23andMe)
Distance: 8.5194% / 0.08519365
33.8 Turkish_Chitak
25.6 Turkish_Deliorman
24.8 Moksha
15.8 Moroccan_North

Shouldn't Spaniards closest none euro populations be latms? I don't understand why a Spanish would get Turkish tbh..

cass
08-05-2024, 09:11 PM
Shouldn't Spaniards closest none euro populations be latms? I don't understand why a Spanish would get Turkish tbh..

EEF


Çıtak is a village in the Karakoçan District of Elazığ Province in Turkey.[1][2] Its population is 51 (2021).[3] The village is populated by Kurds.[4]

Athalafuns
08-05-2024, 10:03 PM
@RNB27

I'd say Moksha is a good proxy measurement for our Euro-N-S difference-- I'd be about 44% more northern, and you over 3x more southern. You are closer to 40% more farmer. Quite a chunk. Your Gedmatch Farmer-HG painting of chromosomes would be fun to see. I get some swathes of it, but definitely not like yours.

What do you score on that Gedmatch HG-Farmer calc for total farming? Their site was down today so I couldn't check mine yet, but I recall most of it came from "Western_Farmers"
Anatolian Farmer 8.63 Pct
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 36.77 Pct
Middle Eastern Herder 5.91 Pct
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer -
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.52 Pct
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist 2.09 Pct
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 45.48 Pct
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.27 Pct
Bantu Farmer 0.33 Pct

https://i.postimg.cc/CLQXXDdH/Captura.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Kostek
08-05-2024, 10:05 PM
Target: Kostek_scaled
Distance: 5.3620% / 0.05361968
94.2 Moksha
3.6 Karaite_Iraq
2.2 Moroccan_North

ScandinavianCelt
08-05-2024, 10:21 PM
Target: Kostek_scaled
Distance: 5.3620% / 0.05361968
94.2 Moksha
3.6 Karaite_Iraq
2.2 Moroccan_North

It would appear you are now Mr. Moksha, sir.

celticdragongod
08-05-2024, 11:02 PM
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.08533448 Moksha
0.09156100 Mordovian
0.09169600 Erzya
0.10014212 Turkish_Deliorman
0.10602876 Turkish_Chitak
0.11191688 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11958143 Tatar_Mishar
0.12676807 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.13489984 Komi_A
0.14632996 Kaitag
0.14764204 Tatar_Kazan
0.14924623 Andian_B
0.14934082 Turkish_Lesbos
0.15083145 Ratlub
0.15101434 Tabasaran
0.15103250 Akhvakh
0.15405798 Lak
0.15453983 Kubachinian
0.15525981 Bagvalin
0.15574341 Kumyk
0.15584989 Chamalin
0.15658275 Turkish_Balikesir
0.15722386 Tindal
0.15767036 Tsez_B
0.15842579 Kabardin

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 7.7118% / 0.07711818
68.0 Moksha
29.6 Turkish_Chitak
2.0 Moroccan_North
0.4 Ratlub

Demirkazık
08-06-2024, 04:39 AM
Çıtak is a village in the Karakoçan District of Elazığ Province in Turkey.[1][2] Its population is 51 (2021).[3] The village is populated by Kurds.[4]

The name Chitak comes from the Bulgarian and Macedonian word Читаци. Chitak people are a blend of Turks, Vlachs, and Bulgarians, residing in the Balkans, including North Macedonia, Bulgaria, and Romania. Additionally, there is a Çıtak* population in Turkey, primarily in my hometown, specifically in Bolu Kıbrıscık and Seben, and Ankara Kızılcahamam, among other regions.

Though they are more Turkic and less Balkanic than the sample presented here. I can definitely say that the reason Europeans get this sample is that it is predominantly European in origin, not because of Anatolian farmer ancestry. I also want to add that the sample has nothing Kurdish about it.

Target: Turkish_Chitak
Distance: 1.8988% / 0.01898832 | R4P
54.2 Pomak_Tikves_Plain
31.4 Patriyot_West_Macedonia
8.0 Abkhasian_Gudauta
6.4 Shor_Khakassia

I'm also partially Çıtak* and this is my results for comparison:

Target: Demir
Distance: 1.5652% / 0.01565237 | R5P
53.2 Turkish_Burdur
27.0 Turkish_Mugla
8.0 Georgian_Javakheti
7.0 Komi_Zyrian_Siberia
4.8 Yemenite_Hajjah

ScandinavianCelt
08-06-2024, 04:39 AM
Anatolian Farmer 8.63 Pct
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 36.77 Pct
Middle Eastern Herder 5.91 Pct
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer -
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.52 Pct
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist 2.09 Pct
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 45.48 Pct
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.27 Pct
Bantu Farmer 0.33 Pct

https://i.postimg.cc/CLQXXDdH/Captura.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I'm 9% Anatolian, 26% Med Farmer, and 60% Baltic HG, then the rest.

ScandinavianCelt
08-06-2024, 04:45 AM
Anatolian Farmer 8.63 Pct
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 36.77 Pct
Middle Eastern Herder 5.91 Pct
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer -
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.52 Pct
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist 2.09 Pct
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 45.48 Pct
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.27 Pct
Bantu Farmer 0.33 Pct

https://i.postimg.cc/CLQXXDdH/Captura.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I'm 9% Anatolian, 26% Med Farmer, and 60% Baltic HG, then the rest.

tk'es
08-06-2024, 06:37 AM
Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 2.9164% / 0.02916371 | ADC: 0.5x RC
41.0 Bagvalin_o
30.0 Balkar
20.4 Kumyk
8.6 Kaitag



Distance to: tk'es_scaled
0.03654096 Kumyk
0.03662680 Karata
0.03707139 Bagvalin_o
0.03844976 Balkar
0.04263037 Karachay
0.04269592 Kabardin
0.04372881 Tat_Dagestan_Dzhalgan
0.04407820 Tsez_B
0.04549632 Bagvalin
0.04581437 Tabasaran
0.04625273 Tindal
0.04658584 Kaitag
0.04659322 Ratlub
0.04755509 Hunzib
0.04856092 Lak
0.05001830 Tat_Azerbaijan
0.05065854 Kubachinian
0.05254206 Chamalin
0.05294093 Tsez_A
0.05325134 Hinukh
0.05630919 Akhvakh
0.05641138 Andian_B
0.05778510 Andian_A
0.05828425 Tat_Dagestan_Nyugdi
0.06856137 Turkish_Ahiska

Rafael Passoni
08-06-2024, 07:45 AM
Target: me_scaled
Distance: 7.1628% / 0.07162762
80.4 Turkish_Chitak
12.6 Lebanese_Christian
4.4 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
2.6 Turkish_Deliorman

Distance to: me_scaled
0.07451231 Turkish_Chitak
0.08167732 Turkish_Deliorman
0.08288981 Turkish_Rumeli
0.08512579 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.10639793 Turkish_Lesbos
0.10834614 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.11604148 Druze
0.11609023 Syrian_Aleppo
0.11669816 Alawite
0.11740535 Turkish_Nevsehir
0.11847547 Lebanese_Druze
0.11863582 Turkish_Konya
0.11895275 Karaite_Egypt
0.11910883 Turkish_Kayseri
0.11923066 Lebanese_Christian
0.11979936 Lebanese_Muslim
0.12114128 Lebanese_Maronite_Christian_Zgharta
0.12217493 Lebanese_Orthodox_Christian_Koura
0.12260317 Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut
0.12275223 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Dinniyeh
0.12542714 Syrian_Hama
0.12598119 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.12662864 Turkish_Sivas
0.12704114 Turkish_Trabzon
0.12776499 Turkish_Balikesir

cass
08-06-2024, 08:26 AM
The name Chitak comes from the Bulgarian and Macedonian word Читаци. Chitak people are a blend of Turks, Vlachs, and Bulgarians, residing in the Balkans, including North Macedonia, Bulgaria, and Romania. Additionally, there is a Çıtak* population in Turkey, primarily in my hometown, specifically in Bolu Kıbrıscık and Seben, and Ankara Kızılcahamam, among other regions.

Though they are more Turkic and less Balkanic than the sample presented here. I can definitely say that the reason Europeans get this sample is that it is predominantly European in origin, not because of Anatolian farmer ancestry. I also want to add that the sample has nothing Kurdish about it.

Target: Turkish_Chitak
Distance: 1.8988% / 0.01898832 | R4P
54.2 Pomak_Tikves_Plain
31.4 Patriyot_West_Macedonia
8.0 Abkhasian_Gudauta
6.4 Shor_Khakassia

I'm also partially Çıtak* and this is my results for comparison:

Target: Demir
Distance: 1.5652% / 0.01565237 | R5P
53.2 Turkish_Burdur
27.0 Turkish_Mugla
8.0 Georgian_Javakheti
7.0 Komi_Zyrian_Siberia
4.8 Yemenite_Hajjah

Of course, you're right. Just like the Deliorman- Bulgarian Ludogorie, these were samples from Europe.
That's why I've prepared an improved version>
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?386730-Closest-non-European-relatives-v2-0

Avicenna
08-06-2024, 05:17 PM
<tbody>
Distance to:
Beowulf_Scaled


0.07492317
Turkish_Deliorman


0.07749292
Turkish_Chitak


0.08237427
Turkish_Rumeli


0.09097953
Turkish_Canakkale_Europe


0.11241021
Moksha


0.11571878
Turkish_Lesbos


0.11906054
Mordovian


0.11950450
Erzya


0.12259785
Turkish_Dodecanese


0.13114038
Turkish_Nevsehir


0.13230247
Turkish_Balikesir


0.13269888
Turkish_Konya


0.13482207
Turkish_Kayseri


0.13642825
Turkish_Denizli


0.13649902
Turkish_Aydin


0.13662333
Tatar_Mishar


0.13673443
Syrian_Aleppo


0.13992083
Kumyk


0.14010418
Turkish_Sivas


0.14036493
Kabardin


0.14096983
Turkish_Antalya


0.14367232
Tat_Dagestan_Dzhalgan


0.14407298
Alawite


0.14415791
Tabasaran


0.14439625
Kaitag



</tbody>


Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0710% / 0.07100472
37.0 Turkish_Chitak
28.0 Turkish_Deliorman
24.9 Moksha
9.5 Moroccan_North
0.6 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour

Syrian_Aleppo scores like a Anatolian with a Caucasus shift. Probably a Arabised Turkmen from the north?

RyoHazuki
08-06-2024, 08:52 PM
Distance to: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
0.09068163 Moksha
0.09311223 Turkish_Deliorman
0.09724055 Mordovian
0.09747879 Erzya
0.09929447 Turkish_Chitak
0.10520135 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11835909 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.12465010 Tatar_Mishar
0.14221907 Turkish_Lesbos
0.14276215 Komi_A
0.14924846 Kaitag
0.15073985 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.15089542 Andian_B
0.15242747 Tatar_Kazan
0.15249859 Tabasaran
0.15299461 Turkish_Balikesir
0.15361452 Ratlub
0.15398258 Akhvakh
0.15467613 Kumyk
0.15646142 Lak
0.15663234 Bagvalin
0.15667195 Kabardin
0.15751336 Tat_Dagestan_Dzhalgan
0.15779563 Turkish_Nevsehir
0.15787644 Kubachinian


Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 7.6679% / 0.07667936
61.8 Moksha
31.4 Turkish_Chitak
6.4 Moroccan_North
0.4 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 8.2033% / 0.08203326
67.4 Moksha
14.8 Turkish_Deliorman
8.0 Karaite_Iraq
6.8 Moroccan_North
3.0 Turkish_Chitak

RyoHazuki
08-06-2024, 08:57 PM
Shouldn't Spaniards closest none euro populations be latms? I don't understand why a Spanish would get Turkish tbh..

Because Latams have Amerindian admixture that shifts them to Asians.

Sovanz
08-06-2024, 09:34 PM
Because Latams have Amerindian admixture that shifts them to Asians.

Central Asians*. And no that's not what I meant If anything outside of Europea the closest "none white " populations among Spaniards should be at least Latin americans on average the citizens of these regions are within 50-75% Spanish range.

#Oda#
08-22-2024, 08:26 PM
Target: #Oda#_scaled
Distance: 7.1292% / 0.07129243
66.0 Moksha
34.0 Turkish_Chitak

What is Moksha?

Distance to: #Oda#_scaled
0.08030955 Moksha
0.08557230 Erzya
0.08590612 Mordovian
0.09812211 Turkish_Deliorman
0.10138084 Turkish_Chitak
0.10844282 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11841503 Tatar_Mishar
0.12166721 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.13238104 Komi_A
0.14451224 Turkish_Lesbos
0.14525857 Andian_B
0.14556791 Kaitag
0.14582219 Tatar_Kazan
0.14857237 Tabasaran
0.14863080 Akhvakh
0.15079405 Ratlub
0.15190785 Lak
0.15317147 Kubachinian
0.15362468 Bagvalin
0.15364306 Chamalin
0.15460032 Kumyk
0.15594240 Tindal
0.15698009 Tsez_B
0.15715241 Turkish_Balikesir
0.15720891 Tat_Dagestan_Dzhalgan

Damião de Góis
08-22-2024, 08:33 PM
Distance to: Gil_Vicente
0.08175026 Turkish_Deliorman
0.08500682 Turkish_Chitak
0.08882224 Turkish_Rumeli
0.09662545 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.11815998 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.12016013 Turkish_Lesbos
0.12732953 Moksha
0.12775697 Turkish_Nevsehir
0.12894918 Syrian_Aleppo
0.13078315 Turkish_Konya
0.13188077 Turkish_Balikesir
0.13214808 Turkish_Kayseri
0.13350740 Mordovian
0.13428525 Erzya
0.13519009 Alawite
0.13567051 Karaite_Egypt
0.13575047 Turkish_Aydin
0.13603704 Lebanese_Muslim
0.13606532 Turkish_Denizli
0.13678211 Druze
0.13787571 Lebanese_Druze
0.13794621 Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut
0.13794776 Turkish_Sivas
0.13886679 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Beirut
0.13930057 Syrian

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
08-22-2024, 08:50 PM
Distance to: Viriato_scaled
0.08164158 Turkish_Deliorman
0.08463296 Turkish_Chitak
0.08809871 Turkish_Rumeli
0.09609340 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.11480940 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.11803178 Turkish_Lesbos
0.12709505 Turkish_Nevsehir
0.12759867 Syrian_Aleppo
0.12919016 Turkish_Konya
0.12977564 Moksha
0.12985137 Turkish_Balikesir
0.13101527 Turkish_Kayseri
0.13352471 Alawite
0.13366294 Turkish_Aydin
0.13379965 Karaite_Egypt
0.13453845 Turkish_Denizli
0.13460068 Lebanese_Muslim
0.13488461 Druze
0.13607177 Mordovian
0.13632857 Lebanese_Druze
0.13688735 Erzya
0.13690954 Lebanese_Shia_Muslim_Beirut
0.13729490 Turkish_Sivas
0.13809433 Lebanese_Sunni_Muslim_Beirut
0.13823773 Turkish_Antalya

Upsilander
08-22-2024, 09:00 PM
Distance to: Upsilander23andme
0.08369155 Moksha
0.09046512 Mordovian
0.09061910 Erzya
0.09654760 Turkish_Deliorman
0.10309536 Turkish_Chitak
0.11006438 Turkish_Rumeli
0.12311254 Turkish_Canakkale_Europe
0.12354353 Tatar_Mishar
0.13971488 Komi_A
0.14742320 Turkish_Lesbos
0.15135180 Kaitag
0.15284236 Tatar_Kazan
0.15307206 Andian_B
0.15502478 Tabasaran
0.15543988 Akhvakh
0.15571751 Ratlub
0.15706927 Turkish_Dodecanese
0.15824221 Kumyk
0.15872699 Lak
0.15887936 Bagvalin
0.15903625 Turkish_Balikesir
0.15942894 Kubachinian
0.15959920 Kabardin
0.16011179 Chamalin
0.16165085 Tat_Dagestan_Dzhalgan


Target: Upsilander23andme
Distance: 7.4610% / 0.07461038
65.2 Moksha
34.8 Turkish_Chitak

*Swallows* that distance



Target: #Oda#_scaled
Distance: 7.1292% / 0.07129243
66.0 Moksha
34.0 Turkish_Chitak

What is Moksha?

Finno-Ugric people?

https://www.setomaa.ee/kogukond/files/page3/lk7-ersa-koik_CtNy-QGN.jpg

cass
08-23-2024, 07:17 PM
Target: #Oda#_scaled
Distance: 7.1292% / 0.07129243
66.0 Moksha
34.0 Turkish_Chitak

What is Moksha?



Indeed, high Fatyanovo Finougrian people.