ShieldWolf Ancestry DNA Results

[ShieldWolf]

132010

[ShieldWolf]

I actually have a more recent update on Ancestry. Click on the image to enlarge.

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[calxpal]

Nice what's your opinion on the results overall?

[ShieldWolf]

Nice what's your opinion on the results overall?

It's interesting. I've traced my ancestry back many generations and if I break it down myself, and assuming I inherit representatively from all sides, I'm approximately 45% British Isles (including Ireland) and 45% German/Swiss, with smaller amounts of Swedish, Dutch, French, and Native American (documented). That's not how genetics works though, you get what you get. Everything except my (pre-American Revolution) Irish and Native American ancestry is represented here and it doesn't surprise me that the Native American doesn't register. I do get less than one percent Native American in my 23&Me Results. 23&Me also shows my Irish ancestry, which used to be in my Ancestry breakdown, but disappeared a few updates ago.

The 3% Eastern Europe/Russian is interesting. My best guess is that this comes from some German ancestors who were from the area of Stettin, Pomerania and immigrated to the USA in the 1880s. I've long suspected that they may have had a little Slavic ancestry as well.

[Purple Panther]

It's interesting. I've traced my ancestry back many generations and if I break it down myself, and assuming I get a perfect mix from all sides, I'm basically 48% British Isles (including Ireland) and 48% German/Swiss, with small amounts of Swedish, Dutch, French, and Native American (documented). Everything except the Irish and Native American is represented here and it doesn't surprise me that the Native American doesn't register. I do get less than one percent Native American in my 23&Me Results. 23&Me shows my Irish ancestry as well which used to be in my Ancestry breakdown, but disappeared a few updates ago.

The 3% Eastern Europe/Russian is interesting. My best guess is this comes from some German ancestors who were from the area of Stettin, Pomerania and immigrated to the USA in the 1880s. I've long suspected that they may have had a little Slavic ancestry as well.

What were your 23andMe statistics like? It appears that your Irish went the way of our German.

[Peterski]

Which tribe is your Native American ancestry from?

[ShieldWolf]

What were your 23andMe statistics like? It appears that your Irish went the way of our German.

50.8% French and German (Primarily Lower Saxony & South Holland)
43.4% British (Dumfries & Galloway, Northumberland, Tyne & Wear, Durham, Greater London, Merseyside, West Midlands, and Lincoln) and Irish (Cork, Galway, Dublin, Meath, and Monaghan.)
1.4% Scandinavian
3.9% Broadly Northwestern European
0.5% Trace Ancestry Indigenous American

[Purple Panther]

50.8% French and German (Primarily Lower Saxony & South Holland)
43.4% British (Dumfries & Galloway, Northumberland, Tyne & Wear, Durham, Greater London, Merseyside, West Midlands, and Lincoln) and Irish (Cork, Galway, Dublin, Meath, and Monaghan.)
1.4% Scandinavian
0.5% Trace Ancestry Indigenous American

Could the German be Anglo-Saxon? That's a low amount of British and Irish for someone who matches my settler background, but marriage patterns definitely play roles in what genes you have (John married the German girl, and his brother married the Irish girl).

[ShieldWolf]

Which tribe is your Native American ancestry from?
Lenni Lenape in southern New Jersey and remnants of the Tide Water Virginia tribes who's descendants congregated in the mountainous region on the border of southwestern Virginia and northwestern North Carolina.

[Purple Panther]

Lenni Lenape in southern New Jersey and remnants of the Tide Water Virginia tribes who's descendants congregated in the mountainous region on the border of southwestern Virginia and northwestern North Carolina.

Have you confirmed that? Many of us have the same kind of familial tales, but our palettes have no pale pink, let alone red, but you very well could be an anomaly like we are with the Native Irish.

[ShieldWolf]

Have you confirmed that? Many of us have the same kind of familial tales, but our palettes have no pale pink, let alone red, but you very well could be an anomaly like we are with the Native Irish.
In regard to the Lenni Lenape ancestry, verbal history on that side of the family stated non-specific Native American ancestry. Through genealogical research I was able to identify the Native American ancestor by name and who she married. I not only know the tribe, but the band to which she belonged.

In regard to the Native American ancestry in Virginia/North Carolina, I have done extensive research on the subject. I have the usual family story, but incontrovertible photographic evidence as well. This branch of my family is called out as Melungeon in period documents. I have identified the part Native American 5th gt grandmother, believe I know who her parents are, and can make a good "preponderance of the evidence" argument, but haven't found conclusive documentation yet. I match autosomal DNA with many of the suspected parent's descendants. The family is well known historically to have Native American ancestry and direct male descendants possess Native American Y-DNA.

[Purple Panther]

In regard to the Lenni Lenape ancestry, verbal history on that side of the family stated non-specific Native American ancestry. Through genealogical research I was able to identify the Native American ancestor by name and who she married. I not only know the tribe, but the band to which she belonged.

In regard to the Native American ancestry in Virginia/North Carolina, I have done extensive research on the subject. I have the usual family story, but incontrovertible photographic evidence as well. This branch of my family is called out as Melungeon in period documents. I have identified the part Native American 5th gt grandmother, believe I know who her parents are, and can make a good "preponderance of the evidence" argument, but haven't found conclusive documentation yet. I match many of the suspected parent's descendants through autosomal DNA. The family is well known historically to have Native American ancestry and direct male descendants possess Native American Y-DNA.

That pretty much puts the bow on the wrapped package. You likely would win your case at trial with that kind of evidence, so the Genealogy Court decided for you. I did the old descendants' paternal DNA trick a few times, and one had an E3b haplogroup while another had a J haplogroup. One had a "Camelot" haplogroup, and I thought that my ancestor was just a regular Germanic Englishman.

[ShieldWolf]

That pretty much puts the bow on the wrapped package. You likely would win your case at trial with that kind of evidence, so the Genealogy Court decided for you. I did the old descendants' paternal DNA trick a few times, and one had an E3b haplogroup while another had a J haplogroup. One had a "Camelot" haplogroup, and I thought that my ancestor was just a regular Germanic Englishman.
As you probably know, the Melungeons were tri-racial and bi-racial allied families. Your E3b ancestor descended from a family that goes back in the direct male line to an African patriarch. I am well acquainted with the core Melungeon and related families. If interested, send me a private message with your surnames of interest and timeframes/locations and I may be able to offer some insight or suggestions.

[Purple Panther]

As you probably know, the Melungeons were tri-racial and bi-racial allied families. Your E3b ancestor descended from a family that goes back in the direct male line to an African patriarch. I am well acquainted with the core Melungeon and related families. If interested, send me a private message with your surnames of interest and timeframes/locations and I may be able to offer some insight or suggestions.

I appreciate that. I descend from a Bolling and a Bunch, and the former went to the same Baptist church as the Collins and the Gibsons (two big names) when they lived in Scott County. It was like a Melungeon denomination. I think that most of them are descended from Black slaves, but that's not as romantic as one of the lost tribes of Israel.

My theory is that there are two types of them because you see photos of them where they don't look a thing like Black people or Northern Europeans. They look much more MENA, to the extent that you wonder if there might be something to the tales about Jews, Muslims, gypsies, Martians, etc.. Maybe they were just frontier misfits who formed their own community. In my case, I hear horse hooves rather than zebra hooves, so Occam's Razor is pretty sharp.

ETA: I first discovered Melungeons in an article in Fortean Times Magazine! It covers "scientific" topics like cryptozoology, extraterrestrials, ghosts, psychics, etc. My forebears are seen as part of paranormal phenomena! Somebody actually claimed that Melungeons were survivors from the lost continent of Atlantis! :D

[ShieldWolf]

I appreciate that. I descend from a Bolling and a Bunch, and the former went to the same Baptist church as the Collins and the Gibsons (two big names) when they lived in Scott County. It was like a Melungeon denomination. I think that most of them are descended from Black slaves, but that's not as romantic as one of the lost tribes of Israel.

My theory is that there are two types of them because you see photos of them where they don't look a thing like Black people or Northern Europeans. They look much more MENA, to the extent that you wonder if there might be something to the tales about Jews, Muslims, gypsies, Martians, etc.. Maybe they were just frontier misfits who formed their own community. In my case, I hear horse hooves rather than zebra hooves, so Occam's Razor is pretty sharp.

ETA: I first discovered Melungeons in an article in Fortean Times Magazine! It covers "scientific" topics like cryptozoology, extraterrestrials, ghosts, psychics, etc. My forebears are seen as part of paranormal phenomena! Somebody actually:D claimed that Melungeons were survivors from the lost continent of Atlantis!

I am familiar with all of those families, and descend from your Bunch family through two of my four grandparents. Ignore the exotic explanations, these families are all mixes of (any two or all three) European, African, and Native American. Because of their diverse genes, in a multi-generational tri-racial family, one sibling could look European, another Mulatto, another Native American, and others very exotic mixes, i.e., dark skinned with European features and blue eyes, etc. DNA, however, has shown that they are all different mixes of European, African, and Native American.

Bolling: The Bolling family of Virginia is divided into three branches. The patriarch is English and one branch, referred to as the Red Bollings, have Native American ancestry as well. This Bolling family's Y-DNA is European.

Bunch: Your Bunch family hails from Louisa Co., Virginia and descends from the first African man, named John Punch, that became a slave for life. Before him Africans were indentured servants, like poor English and Irish indentured servants. Once freed, those blacks became the founders of Virginia's first free colonial black families. John Punch's woman/wife was probably white, likely indentured Irish, and at that time their children, although mulatto, were free, since their mother was free (children of indentured servants were not indentured). The family name became Bunch and his descendants intermarried with white and mixed families, and moved to southwestern Virginia, western North Carolina, and South Carolina. Many white Americans descend from John Punch. Barrack Obama's mother was one of them. Barrack's only African-American slave ancestor is John Punch. This Bunch family's Y-DNA is African.

Collins and Gibson: These families were tri-racial and intermarried a great deal with each other and other core Melungeon families like Bunch, Mullens, etc. I'll have to get back to you on their Y-DNA.

[Purple Panther]

I am familiar with all of those families, and descend from your Bunch family through two of my four grandparents. Ignore the exotic explanations, these families are all mixes of (any two or all three) European, African, and Native American. Because of their diverse genes, in a multi-generational tri-racial family, one sibling could look European, another Mulatto, another Native American, and others very exotic mixes, i.e., dark skinned with European features and blue eyes, etc. DNA, however, has shown that they are all different mixes of European, African, and Native American.

Bolling: The Bolling family of Virginia is divided into three branches. The patriarch is English and one branch, referred to as the Red Bollings, have Native American ancestry as well. This Bolling family's Y-DNA is European.

Bunch: Your Bunch family hails from Louisa Co., Virginia and descends from the first African man, named John Punch, that became a slave for life. Before him Africans were indentured servants, like poor English and Irish indentured servants. Once freed, those blacks became the founders of Virginia's first free colonial black families. John Punch's woman/wife was probably white, likely indentured Irish, and at that time their children, although mulatto, were free, since their mother was free (children of indentured servants were not indentured). The family name became Bunch and his children intermarried with white families and moved to southwestern Virginia, western North Carolina, and South Carolina. Many White Americans descend from John Punch. Barrack Obama's mother was one of them. Barrack's only African-American slave ancestor is John Punch. This Bunch family's Y-DNA is African.

Collins and Gibson: These families are tri-racial and intermarried a great deal with each other and other core Melungeon families like Bunch, Mullens, etc. I'll have to get back to you on their Y-DNA.

I was not notified that you responded to my post. I call this the "Elizabeth problem". I traced the Bolling line. He had an E3b haplogroup, but there seem to be Red lines (like you said) and White lines too. John Bunch married a White woman of Welsh descent, and her surname was Blevins. I *think* that John Bunch and her family worked together on the Byrd plantation in Virginia. Evidently, her dad ran away when he was older, and I had a wanted poster for the capture of "the old Welsh man", but I lost it when my Mac crashed. I also lost a Civil War letter from my Confederate way-back uncle, whose father was Native Irish, and it sounded like Smedley Butler's "War is a Racket" speech because he sounded very disillusioned with the needless slaughter.

[ShieldWolf]

I was not notified that you responded to my post. I call this the "Elizabeth problem". I traced the Bolling line. He had an E3b haplogroup, but there seem to be Red lines (like you said) and White lines too. John Bunch married a White woman of Welsh descent, and her surname was Blevins. I *think* that John Bunch and her family worked together on the Byrd plantation in Virginia. Evidently, her dad ran away when he was older, and I had a wanted poster for the capture of "the old Welsh man", but I lost it when my Mac crashed. I also lost a Civil War letter from my Confederate way-back uncle, whose father was Native Irish, and it sounded like Smedley Butler's "War is a Racket" speech because he sounded very disillusioned with the needless slaughter.
I'll refer you to a paper on John Punch published by a panel of genealogists sponsored by Ancestry.com. I think the John Bunch you refer to above was actually the son or grandson of John Punch, the indentured servant turned slave. I descend from Ann Bunch who married a William Blevins in the same timeframe. In regard to your Bolling with the E3b Y-DNA, I wouldn't be surprised if he matched another neighboring Melungeon family's Y-DNA. This community seems to have strayed from standard marital norms. There's the typical occasional infidelity, but I also know of men who had large families with their wife, and also with their girlfriend down the way who's children carried her surname. It can get confusing.

Seems like we're definitely cousins through the Bunch family.

[ShieldWolf]

Here's the link to Ancestry's paper: DESCENT OF THE BUNCH FAMILY IN VIRGINIA AND THE CAROLINAS (https://www.ancestrycdn.com/legacy/my-content/offer/us/obama_bunch/pdf/descendancy_final.pdf). You can download it as a pdf file. Time for me to revisit this. I had the original county wrong. John Punch was a slave in York County and then descendants were in New Kent and spread out from there.

[Purple Panther]

I'll refer you to a paper on John Punch published by a panel of genealogists sponsored by Ancestry.com. I think the John Bunch you refer to above was actually the son or grandson of John Punch, the indentured servant turned slave. I descend from Ann Bunch who married a William Blevins in the same timeframe. In regard to your Bolling with the E3b Y-DNA, I wouldn't be surprised if he matched another neighboring Melungeon family's Y-DNA. This community seems to have strayed from standard marital norms. There's the typical occasional infidelity, but I also know of men who had large families with their wife, and also with their girlfriend down the way who's children carried her surname. It can get confusing.

Seems like we're definitely cousins through the Bunch family.

I think that you're right about that. John Bunch (or Punch) worked on the Gwynn plantation, not the Byrd plantation. I also descend from the Blevins who married into the Wallen line. All of them were popular long-hunters (I did not inherit those genes).

You're so right about the players back then. Maury Povich would have had a nervous breakdown. I have three or more forebears who did what you described to the point that I don't know whether or not I descend from them. I even worry that my grandpa isn't my dad's "real" dad at times.

[ShieldWolf]

I think that you're right about that. John Bunch (or Punch) worked on the Gwynn plantation, not the Byrd plantation. I also descend from the Blevins who married into the Wallen line. All of them were popular long-hunters (I did not inherit those genes).

You're so right about the players back then. Maury Povich would have had a nervous breakdown. I have three or more forebears who did what you described to the point that I don't know whether or not I descend from them. I even worry that my grandpa isn't my dad's "real" dad at times.
I descend from the Wallen/Walling family as well. I think were related several times over.

[ShieldWolf]

In regard to one of the most famous frontiersmen, Daniel Boone (https://www.the-old-west.com/topics/article/daniel-boone/): "According to a popular story, Boone returned home after a long absence to find Rebecca had given birth to a daughter. Rebecca confessed she had thought Daniel was dead, and that Boone's brother had fathered the child." Boone reportedly replied, "at least the name's right", and raised the child as his own.

[Purple Panther]

I descend from the Wallen/Walling family as well. I think were related several times over.

The same thing happened again. I don't know if it's my side or your side, but I got no notification. I don't want people to think that I ignore them! Elizabeth has this problem a lot.

It might be that we both descend from the same marriage between a Blevins and a Wallen. We also have a distant cousin who posted on the OG anthro forums, and I think that he went by "Heidnisch". If memory serves, he was part Italian. I'm glad that it's Labor Day because I've been up all night with a stomach virus, and the forum has kept me busy between trips to the bathroom ("not again!").

[Laly]

You have a very interesting ancestry! It's great you know a lot about your ancestors!