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Eurafricanid
08-12-2024, 03:14 PM
This is the calculator inside my Signature, but with some re-labeling.


Components:

Catalan,0.120327,0.146236,0.043477,0.001153,0.0452 83,-0.001554,-0.001175,0.001187,0.024017,0.034833,-0.005614,0.006851,-0.01597,-0.015119,0.007872,0.004698,0.002757,0.001394,-0.00088,-0.000268,0.005776,0.000406,-0.006409,-0.002169,0.000565
Catalan,0.115721,0.14759,0.036832,-0.006029,0.042777,-0.001673,0.00141,0.000154,0.02168,0.02934,-0.002219,0.009292,-0.01442,-0.007248,0.003212,-0.002873,-0.002825,0.001394,-0.00088,-0.001792,0.003286,0.001937,0.001068,-0.006627,-0.005868
Castilian,0.11553,0.148013,0.040352,-0.00323,0.042085,-0.004811,-0.001704,0.001731,0.024645,0.033941,-0.002111,0.008692,-0.015275,-0.012386,0.010281,-0.001061,-0.00603,-0.00019,-0.000126,-0.000688,0.005459,0.001484,-0.001048,-0.003886,-0.001078
Castilian,0.107753,0.143867,0.040477,-0.002153,0.043803,0.001859,-0.001723,0.004615,0.028429,0.029218,-0.002328,0.007843,-0.012091,-0.012019,0.01226,-0.006541,-0.00678,-0.001731,-0.004525,-0.002293,0.000291,-0.000907,0.001315,-0.002571,-0.002754
Galician-Portuguese,0.108765,0.146462,0.041064,-0.001651,0.041204,-9.3e-05,-0.005457,0.002423,0.024713,0.030029,-0.002129,0.005737,-0.012611,-0.012157,0.011144,0.000589,-0.004237,-0.002161,-0.005042,-0.001007,0.000873,-0.002899,-0.000808,-0.003682,0.001304
Galician-Portuguese,0.106174,0.144611,0.036007,-0.004432,0.042137,-0.004049,-0.003741,0.00276,0.025598,0.029741,-0.000734,0.007421,-0.012737,-0.011263,0.012557,-0.000398,-0.001132,-0.000887,-0.005762,-0.000245,0.001138,-0.002572,0.001301,-0.001133,-0.000105
West_African_Niger-Congo,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
West_African_Niger-Congo,-0.6226124,0.064486,0.022863,0.0170382,0.0029622,0. 009273,-0.0229135,0.0268834,-0.0388084,0.0279276,0.0057446,-0.0050392,0.0177835,0.0005161,0.0102468,-0.0072759,0.0094202,0.0066352,0.001037,-0.0003909,0.0030572,0.0013138,-0.003374,-0.0002561,-0.0001798
South-Central_African_Bantu,-0.628304,0.064994,0.020365,0.017442,-0.000615,0.016176,-0.016451,0.020076,-0.033746,0.020228,0.008607,-0.003147,-0.001933,0.001514,-0.006786,0.00769,-0.009648,0.00114,0.001257,0.003502,-0.002496,-0.000989,0.001109,-0.001084,-0.006826
South-Central_African_Bantu,-0.6257428,0.0634707,0.021307,0.0155848,0.0039238,0 .0096915,0.0056988,0.001096,-0.023469,0.0098405,0.0056837,-0.003072,-0.0103318,0.001858,-0.0126558,0.0168058,-0.0075622,0.041839,-0.0199858,0.00247,-0.0024645,-0.0002163,0.003451,-0.0046992,0.0010178
South_Amerian_Native,0.048944,-0.307705,0.118039,0.099161,-0.108636,-0.014223,-0.309039,-0.3616,-0.019634,-0.020593,-0.015914,-0.002847,0.006392,0.013212,-0.008822,0.007027,0.00678,0.002154,0.00352,-0.00075,-0.001996,0.012365,-0.004067,-0.000964,-0.006227
North_American_Native,0.051932,-0.3244618,0.1119108,0.0808515,-0.1070202,-0.0186858,-0.2184425,-0.2592872,-0.0065322,-0.0204332,0.004953,-0.0028565,0.004348,0.0034922,-0.0128765,-0.0012265,0.0010752,0.0022565,0.009537,0.006073,0. 0021835,-0.005441,0.0023722,0.0057088,0.0074098
West_Asian,0.097793,0.133542,-0.062068,-0.064412,-0.03139,-0.017617,0.004818,-0.006077,-0.02289,-0.00363,0.004642,-0.002423,0.005538,-2.3e-05,-0.002466,0.00706,-0.001793,0.00113,0.002545,-0.005482,-0.00235,0.002246,-0.000668,-0.00253,0.003423
North_African,-0.0625647,0.1381119,0.0001006,-0.0777246,0.033114,-0.0373899,-0.0343193,0.007692,0.0870318,0.0354144,0.0104415,-0.0102408,0.022448,-0.0177442,0.0227466,-0.0172056,0.00206,-0.0280531,-0.0560947,0.0117722,-0.0213707,-0.0510153,0.0290043,-0.0091217,0.0118749




Use ADD DIST COL - NO, If your North African is too high, use 0.25x to normalize the results ex:


Target: Spanish_Canarias
Distance: 0.4454% / 0.00445423
33.6 Galician-Portuguese
29.4 Castilian
18.8 Catalan
13.0 North_African
4.2 West_Asian
1.0 South-Central_African_Bantu


Target: Spanish_Canarias
Distance: 0.5591% / 0.00559084 | ADC: 0.25x RC
84.8 Galician-Portuguese
10.8 North_African
3.4 West_Asian
1.0 South-Central_African_Bantu

Gallop
08-12-2024, 03:34 PM
Notaba que me falta algo y he añadido la calculadora para judíos del otro hilo y ha mejorado la distancia.


Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 1.7832% / 0.01783197
70.2 Castilian
19.0 Catalan
8.0 Germanic
2.0 North_African
0.4 Caucasian
0.4 West_African_Niger-Congo

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.1105% / 0.02110513
82.8 Catalan
6.4 Galician-Portuguese
5.0 Balto-Slavic
4.6 North_African
1.2 South-Central_African_Bantu

Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 1.9317% / 0.01931702
70.2 Catalan
21.0 Castilian
6.8 North_African
2.0 Balto-Slavic

gixajo
08-12-2024, 04:00 PM
No tengo absolutamente ningún antepasado catalán.:coffee:

Target: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
Distance: 1.7757% / 0.01775735
62.6 Catalan
37.4 Castilian

Target: gixajo_scaled(23andMe)
Distance: 2.0908% / 0.02090806
51.8 Catalan
48.2 Castilian

vader
08-12-2024, 04:02 PM
Target: Merged_scaled
Distance: 1.0284% / 0.01028351
67.6 Catalan
18.0 Castilian
8.6 Galician-Portuguese
3.0 North_African
1.2 South-Central_African_Bantu
1.0 West_Asian
0.4 South_Amerian_Native
0.2 West_African_Niger-Congo


Target: Merged_scaled
Distance: 1.0914% / 0.01091427 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.6 Galician-Portuguese
43.0 Catalan
6.8 Castilian
1.6 South-Central_African_Bantu


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Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 2.1302% / 0.02130208
48.2 South_Amerian_Native
34.6 Catalan
7.4 West_Asian
5.8 Galician-Portuguese
2.8 South-Central_African_Bantu
1.2 West_African_Niger-Congo

Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 2.2132% / 0.02213173 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.2 South_Amerian_Native
43.0 Galician-Portuguese
5.4 West_Asian
3.4 South-Central_African_Bantu

Eurafricanid
08-12-2024, 04:04 PM
Notaba que me falta algo y he añadido la calculadora para judíos del otro hilo y ha mejorado la distancia.


Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 1.7832% / 0.01783197
70.2 Castilian
19.0 Catalan
8.0 Germanic
2.0 North_African
0.4 Caucasian
0.4 West_African_Niger-Congo

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.1105% / 0.02110513
82.8 Catalan
6.4 Galician-Portuguese
5.0 Balto-Slavic
4.6 North_African
1.2 South-Central_African_Bantu

Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 1.9317% / 0.01931702
70.2 Catalan
21.0 Castilian
6.8 North_African
2.0 Balto-Slavic

Your shouldn't do that, but if you want to, at least put the original results like everyone else does.

Eurafricanid
08-12-2024, 04:06 PM
No tengo absolutamente ningún antepasado catalán.:coffee:

Target: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
Distance: 1.7757% / 0.01775735
62.6 Catalan
37.4 Castilian

Target: gixajo_scaled(23andMe)
Distance: 2.0908% / 0.02090806
51.8 Catalan
48.2 Castilian

It's acting like a proxy for your basque, since it's less North African and I didn't put basque in this because is a highly reactive component.

Eurafricanid
08-12-2024, 04:10 PM
Target: Eurafricanid_scaled
Distance: 1.1627% / 0.01162711
46.4 Catalan
31.0 West_African_Niger-Congo
16.0 South-Central_African_Bantu
4.0 West_Asian
2.6 South_Amerian_Native

gixajo
08-12-2024, 05:06 PM
It's acting like a proxy for your basque, since it's less North African and I didn't put basque in this because is a highly reactive component.

That's right, if you don't handle it carefully it sometimes explodes.

Beowulf
08-12-2024, 07:55 PM
Target: Beowulf_Merged_Scaled
Distance: 0.0186% / 0.01858904
69.9 Catalan
15.5 Galician-Portuguese
11.3 Castilian
2.3 West_Asian
1.0 North_American_Native


British and Polish added:

Target: Beowulf_Merged_Scaled
Distance: 0.0067% / 0.00673120
51.1 Catalan
13.6 Castilian
11.6 British
11.0 West_Slavic
6.6 Galician-Portuguese
5.8 West_Asian
0.3 North_American_Native

Jingle Bell
08-12-2024, 07:57 PM
Target: Dad_Simulated
Distance: 1.2719% / 0.01271865
37.8 Catalan
19.4 West_African_Niger-Congo
15.6 South-Central_African_Bantu
8.4 North_African
7.4 West_Asian
4.4 Castilian
4.2 South_Amerian_Native
1.6 Galician-Portuguese
1.2 North_American_Native

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.6718% / 0.01671800
42.6 Castilian
34.0 West_African_Niger-Congo
10.8 South-Central_African_Bantu
5.4 West_Asian
4.6 North_African
2.6 South_Amerian_Native

celticdragongod
08-12-2024, 08:06 PM
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.07903580 Catalan
0.07982402 Castilian
0.08026406 Galician-Portuguese
0.08176184 Castilian
0.08367828 Catalan
0.08460403 Galician-Portuguese
0.19789869 West_Asian
0.28770575 North_African
0.60725902 North_American_Native
0.68703138 South_Amerian_Native
0.76704246 West_African_Niger-Congo
0.76991280 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.77144967 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.77737849 West_African_Niger-Congo

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 7.6954% / 0.07695367
61.6 Catalan
36.0 Castilian
2.4 North_American_Native

Beowulf
08-12-2024, 08:51 PM
Mother:

Target: Mama_Scaled
Distance: 0.0122% / 0.01222185
52.4 Catalan
24.3 British
19.4 West_Slavic
3.7 West_Asian
0.2 North_American_Native

Father:



Target: Papa_Scaled
Distance: 0.0125% / 0.01249975
67.8 Galician-Portuguese
26.7 Catalan
4.4 West_Asian
0.8 North_American_Native
0.3 West_African_Niger-Congo

EasternLusitanian
08-12-2024, 09:02 PM
Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0172% / 0.01723005
50.8 Catalan
25.1 Galician-Portuguese
8.7 Castilian
8.3 North_African
6.9 West_Asian
0.2 South_Amerian_Native

alnortedelsur
08-12-2024, 09:48 PM
Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 1.8613% / 0.01861325
76.6 Castilian
9.8 West_Asian
6.8 South_Amerian_Native
3.8 South-Central_African_Bantu
3.0 North_African

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 1.8655% / 0.01865498 | ADC: 0.25x RC
69.6 Castilian
9.8 West_Asian
7.4 Galician-Portuguese
6.8 South_Amerian_Native
3.8 South-Central_African_Bantu
2.6 North_African

Rafael Passoni
08-12-2024, 10:02 PM
Target: me_scaled
Distance: 3.6073% / 0.03607349
84.8 Catalan
15.2 West_Asian

Sovanz
08-12-2024, 10:57 PM
Target: Sovanz_scaled
Distance: 1.6299% / 0.01629868
48.8 Castilian
25.6 South_Amerian_Native
14.2 North_American_Native
4.8 North_African
4.4 West_Asian
2.2 South-Central_African_Bantu

ScandinavianCelt
08-12-2024, 11:48 PM
Target: SC_Official_Averaged2_Scaled
Distance: 7.5037% / 0.07503699
89.0 Catalan
7.0 Castilian
4.0 North_American_Native

Figaro
08-13-2024, 12:39 AM
Target: Beowulf_Merged_Scaled
Distance: 0.0186% / 0.01858904
69.9 Catalan
15.5 Galician-Portuguese
11.3 Castilian
2.3 West_Asian
1.0 North_American_Native


British and Polish added:

Target: Beowulf_Merged_Scaled
Distance: 0.0067% / 0.00673120
51.1 Catalan
13.6 Castilian
11.6 British
11.0 West_Slavic
6.6 Galician-Portuguese
5.8 West_Asian
0.3 North_American_Native

Probably how it's reading your sliver of Uralic ancestry.

Edit: Nevermind. Everyone seems to be scoring a little.

Figaro
08-13-2024, 12:40 AM
Target: CordedWife
Distance: 1.7040% / 0.01704045
52.0 Castilian
27.6 South_Amerian_Native
5.6 West_Asian
4.4 Galician-Portuguese
4.0 North_African
3.6 North_American_Native
2.4 West_African_Niger-Congo
0.4 South-Central_African_Bantu

Eurafricanid
08-13-2024, 01:48 PM
Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0172% / 0.01723005
50.8 Catalan
25.1 Galician-Portuguese
8.7 Castilian
8.3 North_African
6.9 West_Asian
0.2 South_Amerian_Native

As I said on the OP, you'll most likely need 0.25x to stabilize the North African.

Eurafricanid
08-13-2024, 01:50 PM
Target: Dad_Simulated
Distance: 1.2719% / 0.01271865
37.8 Catalan
19.4 West_African_Niger-Congo
15.6 South-Central_African_Bantu
8.4 North_African
7.4 West_Asian
4.4 Castilian
4.2 South_Amerian_Native
1.6 Galician-Portuguese
1.2 North_American_Native

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.6718% / 0.01671800
42.6 Castilian
34.0 West_African_Niger-Congo
10.8 South-Central_African_Bantu
5.4 West_Asian
4.6 North_African
2.6 South_Amerian_Native

Yeah, there's too much North African for both of you, so a 0.25x would've been the best option if you weren't mixed (Not the best for mixed people, since the SSA could mix with the Iberian to make even more fake North African.)

Athalafuns
08-13-2024, 05:03 PM
Target: RNB27
Distance: 1.7397% / 0.01739736
46.6 Catalan
45.0 Castilian
6.2 Galician-Portuguese
1.2 West_Asian
0.8 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.2 North_American_Native

Damião de Góis
08-13-2024, 05:59 PM
Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.0949% / 0.02094943
52.6 Castilian
42.2 Galician-Portuguese
3.4 West_Asian
1.8 West_African_Niger-Congo

Jased
09-13-2024, 05:24 AM
Target: Hasien_scaled
Distance: 1.6220% / 0.01622012 | R4P
52.4 Castilian
38.8 Mexican_Amerindian
5.6 West_Asian
3.2 West_African

Upsilander
09-13-2024, 06:30 AM
I find it funny i get 0.6 Amerindian but sorry go on


Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 7.0296% / 0.07029556
99.4 Catalan
0.6 North_American_Native


Distance to: Upsilander_Scaled
0.07040565 Catalan
0.07489899 Galician-Portuguese
0.07540396 Catalan
0.07556378 Castilian
0.07601867 Castilian
0.08053717 Galician-Portuguese
0.19689290 West_Asian
0.29094771 North_African
0.61781905 North_American_Native
0.69633569 South_Amerian_Native
0.77747173 West_African_Niger-Congo
0.78026949 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.78222685 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.78794764 West_African_Niger-Congo

Jased
09-13-2024, 06:35 AM
I find it funny i get 0.6 Amerindian but sorry go on


Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 7.0296% / 0.07029556
99.4 Catalan
0.6 North_American_Native


Distance to: Upsilander_Scaled
0.07040565 Catalan
0.07489899 Galician-Portuguese
0.07540396 Catalan
0.07556378 Castilian
0.07601867 Castilian
0.08053717 Galician-Portuguese
0.19689290 West_Asian
0.29094771 North_African
0.61781905 North_American_Native
0.69633569 South_Amerian_Native
0.77747173 West_African_Niger-Congo
0.78026949 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.78222685 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.78794764 West_African_Niger-Congo


You being Northern European Interesting you get Catalan, but makes sense Catalans ,Mallorcans, and Basques are the most Northern shifted Spaniards.

EasternLusitanian
09-13-2024, 10:42 AM
As I said on the OP, you'll most likely need 0.25x to stabilize the North African.

Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0173% / 0.01727530 | ADC: 0.25x RC
51.1 Catalan
34.0 Galician-Portuguese
7.9 North_African
7.0 West_Asian

Not that different, just adds the castilian into the galician

Fabricius
09-13-2024, 11:54 AM
My "northern Amerindian" also appearing with ADC 0.25x

Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.8716% / 0.01871610 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4 Galician-Portuguese
37.6 Catalan
6.6 West_African_Niger-Congo
3.2 West_Asian
1.2 North_American_Native
1.0 Castilian

Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.8716% / 0.01871610
50.4 Galician-Portuguese
37.6 Catalan
6.6 West_African_Niger-Congo
3.2 West_Asian
1.2 North_American_Native
1.0 Castilian

Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.05260855 Galician-Portuguese
0.05416308 Galician-Portuguese
0.05453004 Castilian
0.06110885 Catalan
0.06281482 Castilian
0.06833029 Catalan
0.15232898 West_Asian
0.20238708 North_African
0.60160895 North_American_Native
0.68101913 South_Amerian_Native
0.69296392 West_African_Niger-Congo
0.69639880 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.69784921 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.70350579 West_African_Niger-Congo


Should I conclude that my "North African" has always been a mistake with the Iberian + SSA mix?

unmoggable
09-13-2024, 05:28 PM
Target: unmoggable
Distance: 6.4877% / 0.06487692
82.2 Catalan
15.2 Castilian
2.6 North_American_Native

0.06693263 Catalan
0.06863011 Galician-Portuguese
0.06982916 Castilian
0.07090483 Castilian
0.07175346 Catalan
0.07248231 Galician-Portuguese
0.18225476 West_Asian
0.27858343 North_African
0.60526476 North_American_Native
0.68440551 South_Amerian_Native
0.76046942 West_African_Niger-Congo
0.76320952 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.76516256 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.77102352 West_African_Niger-Congo

Eurafricanid
09-13-2024, 11:57 PM
My "northern Amerindian" also appearing with ADC 0.25x

Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.8716% / 0.01871610 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4 Galician-Portuguese
37.6 Catalan
6.6 West_African_Niger-Congo
3.2 West_Asian
1.2 North_American_Native
1.0 Castilian

Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.8716% / 0.01871610
50.4 Galician-Portuguese
37.6 Catalan
6.6 West_African_Niger-Congo
3.2 West_Asian
1.2 North_American_Native
1.0 Castilian

Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.05260855 Galician-Portuguese
0.05416308 Galician-Portuguese
0.05453004 Castilian
0.06110885 Catalan
0.06281482 Castilian
0.06833029 Catalan
0.15232898 West_Asian
0.20238708 North_African
0.60160895 North_American_Native
0.68101913 South_Amerian_Native
0.69296392 West_African_Niger-Congo
0.69639880 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.69784921 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.70350579 West_African_Niger-Congo


Should I conclude that my "North African" has always been a mistake with the Iberian + SSA mix?

May I ask why you should conclude such statement?

Solitude
09-14-2024, 12:06 AM
My "northern Amerindian" also appearing with ADC 0.25x

Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.8716% / 0.01871610 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4 Galician-Portuguese
37.6 Catalan
6.6 West_African_Niger-Congo
3.2 West_Asian
1.2 North_American_Native
1.0 Castilian

Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.8716% / 0.01871610
50.4 Galician-Portuguese
37.6 Catalan
6.6 West_African_Niger-Congo
3.2 West_Asian
1.2 North_American_Native
1.0 Castilian

Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.05260855 Galician-Portuguese
0.05416308 Galician-Portuguese
0.05453004 Castilian
0.06110885 Catalan
0.06281482 Castilian
0.06833029 Catalan
0.15232898 West_Asian
0.20238708 North_African
0.60160895 North_American_Native
0.68101913 South_Amerian_Native
0.69296392 West_African_Niger-Congo
0.69639880 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.69784921 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.70350579 West_African_Niger-Congo


Should I conclude that my "North African" has always been a mistake with the Iberian + SSA mix?

É so verificar os marcadores no gedmatch se você tiver o nafri significa que ele pode ta embutido em outro sample nesse resultado

Eurafricanid
09-14-2024, 12:10 AM
É so verificar os marcadores no gedmatch se você tiver o nafri significa que ele pode ta embutido em outro sample nesse resultado

O Nafri é para estar embutido nos ibéricos, ele somente deve aparecer se a pessoa tiver muito mais do que o normal.

Fabricius
09-14-2024, 02:24 PM
May I ask why you should conclude such statement?

1. Following your own reasoning: "(...) since the SSA could mix with the Iberian to make even more fake North African (...);
2. In another discussion, you said that most of the North African component in the Iberians is prior to the Middle Ages (based on this my question is about disregarding recent NA as a mistake);
3. As I don't even know of reports of Moors from my family coming straight to Brazil, I already assumed that it would be something, at least, via Iberia.

Your calculator is the first one that, having a NA sample, does not appear. I thought it was reasonable to share my doubt.
Or would it be non sequitur?
In principle, what is valid for more ("make even more fake") would be valid for less. But I may be wrong.

Eurafricanid
09-14-2024, 06:26 PM
1. Following your own reasoning: "(...) since the SSA could mix with the Iberian to make even more fake North African (...);
2. In another discussion, you said that most of the North African component in the Iberians is prior to the Middle Ages (based on this my question is about disregarding recent NA as a mistake);
3. As I don't even know of reports of Moors from my family coming straight to Brazil, I already assumed that it would be something, at least, via Iberia.

Your calculator is the first one that, having a NA sample, does not appear. I thought it was reasonable to share my doubt.
Or would it be non sequitur?
In principle, what is valid for more ("make even more fake") would be valid for less. But I may be wrong.

Yes, it could make fake North African, because the NAs are a mix of Iberomaurusian, European-like and SSA, so if you take SSA and mix that with European you'll get fake NA, but the Iberian North African component is mostly destilled Iberomaurusian. Although the NA Iberians have is mostly from the Roman period, it's also not 100% stable yet, so a random person could get anormally more NA than the components on the calculator, also there are the Canarians that have direct more recent NA mix.
Also, my question wasn't to refute you in any way, I just wanted to know why you concluded the statement ou made.

Fabricius
09-14-2024, 08:26 PM
Yes, it could make fake North African, because the NAs are a mix of Iberomaurusian, European-like and SSA, so if you take SSA and mix that with European you'll get fake NA, but the Iberian North African component is mostly destilled Iberomaurusian. Although the NA Iberians have is mostly from the Roman period, it's also not 100% stable yet, so a random person could get anormally more NA than the components on the calculator, also there are the Canarians that have direct more recent NA mix.
Also, my question wasn't to refute you in any way, I just wanted to know why you concluded the statement ou made.


yep, I understand.

Thank you!

R1b-L51
09-14-2024, 09:05 PM
Notaba que me falta algo y he añadido la calculadora para judíos del otro hilo y ha mejorado la distancia.


Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 1.7832% / 0.01783197
70.2 Castilian
19.0 Catalan
8.0 Germanic
2.0 North_African
0.4 Caucasian
0.4 West_African_Niger-Congo

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.1105% / 0.02110513
82.8 Catalan
6.4 Galician-Portuguese
5.0 Balto-Slavic
4.6 North_African
1.2 South-Central_African_Bantu

Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 1.9317% / 0.01931702
70.2 Catalan
21.0 Castilian
6.8 North_African
2.0 Balto-Slavic

Y al añadir lo de judíos te ha subido lo de catalán verdad?

R1b-L51
09-14-2024, 09:07 PM
Target: Merged_scaled
Distance: 1.0284% / 0.01028351
67.6 Catalan
18.0 Castilian
8.6 Galician-Portuguese
3.0 North_African
1.2 South-Central_African_Bantu
1.0 West_Asian
0.4 South_Amerian_Native
0.2 West_African_Niger-Congo


Target: Merged_scaled
Distance: 1.0914% / 0.01091427 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.6 Galician-Portuguese
43.0 Catalan
6.8 Castilian
1.6 South-Central_African_Bantu


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Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 2.1302% / 0.02130208
48.2 South_Amerian_Native
34.6 Catalan
7.4 West_Asian
5.8 Galician-Portuguese
2.8 South-Central_African_Bantu
1.2 West_African_Niger-Congo

Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 2.2132% / 0.02213173 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.2 South_Amerian_Native
43.0 Galician-Portuguese
5.4 West_Asian
3.4 South-Central_African_Bantu

Catalan? It has no sense

R1b-L51
09-14-2024, 09:15 PM
It's acting like a proxy for your basque, since it's less North African and I didn't put basque in this because is a highly reactive component.

In the case of Gijaxo it makes sense because the Basques even occupied the western part of Catalonia (in some mountains of the Catalan Pyrenees until recently Basque dialects were spoken).
What doesn't make sense is that some Lusitanians are more Catalan than Galician/Portuguese or Castilian.
By the way, you need to include samples from León, since Castilla and León is larger than Portugal, and the entire area of ​​León, Zamora and Salamanca have markers similar to Extremadura and Asturias related to the haplogroup E-m81, from the Neolithic era very very marked, as well as greater concentrations of R1a near Asturias, probably due to remnants of the Astyr tribes, from Astorga.

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https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/new-distribution-map-of-y-haplogroup-e-m81.29102/

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R1b-L51
09-14-2024, 09:25 PM
Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 2.0574% / 0.02057356
43.8 Castilian
42.0 Catalan
7.0 Galician-Portuguese
3.8 West_Asian
1.8 North_African
1.4 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.2 North_American_Native

Distance to: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
0.02305307 Galician-Portuguese
0.02410433 Galician-Portuguese
0.02523468 Castilian
0.02917120 Castilian
0.03065505 Catalan
0.03357462 Catalan
0.15435971 West_Asian
0.22305191 North_African
0.61307754 North_American_Native
0.69245914 South_Amerian_Native
0.73292305 West_African_Niger-Congo
0.73544786 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.73785246 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.74384197 West_African_Niger-Congo

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 2.0722% / 0.02072204 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.4 Castilian
30.6 Catalan
25.8 Galician-Portuguese
3.6 West_Asian
1.6 South-Central_African_Bantu

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R1b-L51
09-14-2024, 09:34 PM
Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 2.0574% / 0.02057356
43.8 Castilian
42.0 Catalan
7.0 Galician-Portuguese
3.8 West_Asian
1.8 North_African
1.4 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.2 North_American_Native

Distance to: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
0.02305307 Galician-Portuguese
0.02410433 Galician-Portuguese
0.02523468 Castilian
0.02917120 Castilian
0.03065505 Catalan
0.03357462 Catalan
0.15435971 West_Asian
0.22305191 North_African
0.61307754 North_American_Native
0.69245914 South_Amerian_Native
0.73292305 West_African_Niger-Congo
0.73544786 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.73785246 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.74384197 West_African_Niger-Congo

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 2.0722% / 0.02072204 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.4 Castilian
30.6 Catalan
25.8 Galician-Portuguese
3.6 West_Asian
1.6 South-Central_African_Bantu

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It is not normal that if you put 25x it adds everything North African and slavic west-asian to Galicia-Portuguese... that happens because you do not have samples from western Castilla y León (what was formerly the kingdom of León), which has much more E component and R1a (although Galicia and Portugal also has, but doesn't have that much).
I also don't understand why Andalusia or Asturias doesn't appear.

I could swallow the Catalan thing, if by saying Catalan you mean Basque.

R1b-L51
09-14-2024, 09:55 PM
It is not normal that if you put 25x it adds everything North African and slavic west-asian to Galicia-Portuguese... that happens because you do not have samples from western Castilla y León (what was formerly the kingdom of León), which has much more E component and R1a (although Galicia and Portugal also has, but doesn't have that much).
I also don't understand why Andalusia or Asturias doesn't appear.

I could swallow the Catalan thing, if by saying Catalan you mean Basque.

In the same way that the sample from Cantabria could reabsorb much of the Slavic R1a content that now It appears as Westasian, if you include a sample from the western part of Castilla y León It would absorb a large part of the supossed African component (because it remains here since neolithic it has not sense in a modern calculator).

"(I think)"

axel.aleman
09-16-2024, 12:10 AM
Distance to: Axel_scaled
0.27083875 North_African
0.29490469 Galician-Portuguese
0.29698829 Galician-Portuguese
0.29723709 Castilian
0.30309518 Catalan
0.30382615 Castilian
0.30546839 Catalan
0.30793610 West_Asian
0.44218199 North_American_Native
0.45069474 East_Asian
0.52495755 South_Amerian_Native
0.54506321 West_African_Niger-Congo
0.54859690 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.55027462 South-Central_African_Bantu
0.55561080 West_African_Niger-Congo


Target: Axel_scaled
Distance: 4.1592% / 0.04159170 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.0 Galician-Portuguese
25.4 West_African_Niger-Congo
24.6 North_American_Native
7.4 East_Asian
4.6 West_Asian

Target: Axel_scaled
Distance: 3.4869% / 0.03486932
37.4 Catalan
24.6 West_African_Niger-Congo
19.2 South_Amerian_Native
12.0 East_Asian
5.6 West_Asian
1.2 South-Central_African_Bantu