Puerto Ricans vs African-Americans

[Johnson Reed]

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Interesting that all African-Americans seem to be part European, and that the Amerindian component in Puerto Ricans is consistently ~10%, regardless of if they are more or less black.

[Leto]

Unlike in Europe the largest minority groups in the US are already mixed with European. A lot of half Hispanics can be regarded as white (over 80 pct European). Even most of the half blacks are not proper mulattoes i.e. 50 pct African.

[Tooting Carmen]

One drop rule legacy.

[Johnson Reed]

One drop rule legacy.

How so? Americans don't generally see Puerto Ricans as being black even though they are almost 1/4 black on average. (Gina Rodriguez, a Puerto Rican-American actress, got a very negative reaction for saying the so-called "n-word")

[Tooting Carmen]

How so? Americans don't generally see Puerto Ricans as being black even though they are almost 1/4 black on average. (Gina Rodriguez, a Puerto Rican-American actress, got a very negative reaction for saying the so-called "n-word")

But there are Aframs who are considered Black even while probably being less than 50% SSA, such as Halle Berry and Karyn Parsons.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

How so? Americans don't generally see Puerto Ricans as being black even though they are almost 1/4 black on average. (Gina Rodriguez, a Puerto Rican-American actress, got a very negative reaction for saying the so-called "n-word")

Puerto Ricans from the ghetto say that all the time. It's amusing how close many Puerto Ricans are with Blacks but Mexicans are the complete opposite.

[Johnson Reed]

But there are Aframs who are considered Black even while probably being less than 50% SSA, such as Halle Berry and Karyn Parsons.

Both of them are biracial and only ID as black because it's socially advantageous.

[Andullero]

It's amusing how close many Puerto Ricans are with Blacks.

That phenomena only happens in the mainland. On the island, the Euro adjacent and black leaning sectors are separated, and you can actually feel the transition from one area to the other. Cuba used to follow almost the same script (as in, consigning most blacks and pardos to one area) until the revolution came.

[Tooting Carmen]

That phenomena only happens in the mainland. On the island, the Euro adjacent and black leaning sectors are separated, and you can actually feel the transition from one area to the other. Cuba used to follow almost the same script (as in, consigning most blacks and pardos to one area) until the revolution came.

I thought PR was quite mixed and integrated?

[Tooting Carmen]

Both of them are biracial and only ID as black because it's socially advantageous.

But both of them have been employed to play (supposedly) fully Black characters, yet clearly stand out compared to most other Aframs.

[Andullero]

I thought PR was quite mixed and integrated?

It may be vis a vis the mainland, but a segregation of sorts exists between Loiza/SSA northeast and the rest of the island, even if it isn't enforced by the state. Demographically it is a standing reality, notwithstanding the fact that San Juan is pretty mixed these days.

[Johnson Reed]

But both of them have been employed to play (supposedly) fully Black characters, yet clearly stand out compared to most other Aframs.

Lily from Modern Family (adopted from Vietnam) was played by a half-White/half Korean actress.

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[Tooting Carmen]

It may be vis a vis the mainland, but a segregation of sorts exists between Loiza/SSA northeast and the rest of the island, even if it isn't enforced by the state. Demographically it is a standing reality, notwithstanding the fact that San Juan is pretty mixed these days.

It never had the semi-Apartheid that pre-Revolution Cuba had, did it?

[Andullero]

It never had the semi-Apartheid that pre-Revolution Cuba had, did it?

Not to my knowledge, no. Although I have heard/read that during the last days of Spanish rule there, blacks/pardos needed to carry a small passport-like notebook on them to be able to move freely through the island.

[Tooting Carmen]

Not to my knowledge, no. Although I have heard/read that during the last days of Spanish rule there, blacks/pardos need to carry a small passport-like notebook on them to be able to move freely through the island.

My recollection of PRs in NYC is that they tended to be pale or olive-skinned but with ambiguous/not-really-Euro facial features. Dominicans were noticeably blacker, but still far from looking like Aframs.

[Andullero]

My recollection of PRs in NYC is that they tended to be pale or olive-skinned but with ambiguous/not-really-Euro facial features. Dominicans were noticeably blacker, but still far from looking like Aframs.

You should see the faces they put whenever they get to visit this island and discover that it isn't the rundown, electricty-less campo it used to be in the 80's, and that actually SDQ has left San Juan in the dust on most aspects (ditto Santiago vs Ponce).

[Tooting Carmen]

You should see the faces they put whenever they get to visit this island and discover that it isn't the rundown, electricty-less campo it used to be in the 80's, and that actually SDQ has left San Juan in the dust on most aspects (ditto Santiago vs Ponce).

Isn't that in large part due to the touristification (Punta Cana-fication?) of DR?

[Andullero]

Isn't that in large part due to the touristification (Punta Cana-fication?) of DR?

Only partially, due to the fact that the touristic areas function like enclaves, just like they do in Jamaica. Santo Domingo and Santiago are only starting to experience touristic influx nowadays, and that is mostly because of the Airbnb phenomenom.

[Johnson Reed]

My recollection of PRs in NYC is that they tended to be pale or olive-skinned but with ambiguous/not-really-Euro facial features. Dominicans were noticeably blacker, but still far from looking like Aframs.

How did Americans perceive you? As White or as Latino? (I know Latino isn't really a race, but it is seen as one here)

[Tooting Carmen]

How did Americans perceive you? As White or as Latino? (I know Latino isn't really a race, but it is seen as one here)

I was only in NYC for a few days, and of course it is an exceptionally diverse city, but as White I suppose. (Although I was speaking in Spanish to staff almost as much as English. xD)

[Tooting Carmen]

Only partially, due to the fact that the touristic areas function like enclaves, just like they do in Jamaica. Santo Domingo and Santiago are only starting to experience touristic influx nowadays, and that is mostly because of the Airbnb phenomenom.

So what explains the change, to the point where you claim that, at least in some ways and some places, DR is nowadays more prosperous than PR?

[Andullero]

So what explains the change, to the point where you claim that, at least in some ways and some places, DR is nowadays more prosperous than PR?

Remittance funding and mining have made a huge impact, bro. Unlike what happens with the earnings of tourism (most of which get repatriated), the wealth on those two sectors mostly remain here (in the mining case, after a very hard negotiating battle with Barrick Gold), so the net effect at the national level gets to be greater. To put the cherry on the proverbial ice cream, and as an enormous cosmic irony, the gold mines found on this island have been proven to be greater than whatever can be found in the continent, so it turns out that Spaniards left us for those locales practically in vain.

[axel.aleman]

My recollection of PRs in NYC is that they tended to be pale or olive-skinned but with ambiguous/not-really-Euro facial features. Dominicans were noticeably blacker, but still far from looking like Aframs.

And how the Panamanians look in your recollection?

[axel.aleman]

Ironically are the aframs and shitcano that apply me the one drop rule and not most white American in this forum

[Tooting Carmen]

And how the Panamanians look in your recollection?

I haven't met or seen that many Panamanians, but based on the images and videos online and the few I have met I'd say that Panama is like a mini Brazil (i.e. extremely mixed with no group really predominating).

[Andullero]

I haven't met or seen that many Panamanians, but based on the images and videos online and the few I have met I'd say that Panama is like a mini Brazil (i.e. extremely mixed with no group really predominating).

Same applies to Belize, although the Guatemalan Mayans they are receiving are steadily changing this.

[axel.aleman]

I haven't met or seen that many Panamanians, but based on the images and videos online and the few I have met I'd say that Panama is like a mini Brazil (i.e. extremely mixed with no group really predominating).

Maybe a slightly more native and less European version of Atlantic Colombia too

[axel.aleman]

Most Puerto Ricans look mixed race
Only a few look white or pred. black

[Johnson Reed]

I haven't met or seen that many Panamanians, but based on the images and videos online and the few I have met I'd say that Panama is like a mini Brazil (i.e. extremely mixed with no group really predominating).

Brazil has a double digit percentage of full Whites (90%+ European)

[Tooting Carmen]

Brazil has a double digit percentage of full Whites (90%+ European)

But most of them are concentrated in the far South of the country. The percentage of them diminishes significantly from Minas Gerais northwards.

[Johnson Reed]

But most of them are concentrated in the far South of the country. The percentage of them diminishes significantly from Minas Gerais northwards.

I kind of wish that the Whites in Southern Brazil had created their own country.

[Andullero]

I kind of wish that the Whites in Southern Brazil had created their own country.

They almost did:

Ragamuffin War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragamuffin_War)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/MuseuJulio11.jpg

[alnortedelsur]

I haven't met or seen that many Panamanians, but based on the images and videos online and the few I have met I'd say that Panama is like a mini Brazil (i.e. extremely mixed with no group really predominating).

And Venezuelans?

[Tooting Carmen]

And Venezuelans?

As we have both said before, basically like Colombia but with more Triracials and fewer Mestizos.

[Blaise]

I haven't met or seen that many Panamanians, but based on the images and videos online and the few I have met I'd say that Panama is like a mini Brazil (i.e. extremely mixed with no group really predominating).

Mini Colômbia