Standard Western eurosian cal.

[Sovanz]

Not sure If this calculator has been posted.


https://i.ibb.co/vchFzgh/Screenshot-20240819-141814-3.png

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculateur/157/standard-western-eurasian-calc.htm

[Beowulf]

Target: Beowulf_Merged_Scaled
Distance: 2.5969% / 0.02596920
52.4 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
38.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
6.6 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
2.8 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic

[vader]

Target: Algarvio_scaled
Distance: 2.1252% / 0.02125221
42.8 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
42.6 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
7.4 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
6.2 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
0.8 Yoruba
0.2 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 2.2484% / 0.02248448
49.8 Amerindian
24.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
15.0 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
3.4 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer
3.2 Yoruba
2.8 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
1.4 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
0.2 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
Distance: 3.0162% / 0.03016222
44.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
43.4 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
9.6 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
2.8 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic

Target: gixajo_scaled(23andMe)
Distance: 3.2638% / 0.03263753
45.8 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
41.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
9.2 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
2.8 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
1.0 Levant_Epipaleolithic

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.8693% / 0.02869259
43.8 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
43.8 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
9.4 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
2.6 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
0.4 Levant_Epipaleolithic

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.6439% / 0.02643886
45.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
42.4 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
9.0 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
3.0 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
0.4 Yoruba

Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 2.4762% / 0.02476248
47.8 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
39.2 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
9.6 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
3.2 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
0.2 Levant_Epipaleolithic

[Upsilander]

Target: Upsilander23andme
Distance: 3.4566% / 0.03456623
62.4 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
26.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
8.0 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer
3.4 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer


Distance to: Upsilander23andme
0.06886528 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
0.20199916 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
0.22745735 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer
0.28573507 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
0.29725344 Levant_Epipaleolithic
0.33344064 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
0.33598868 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers
0.42223266 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
0.55631025 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer
0.67613716 Amerindian
0.78739796 Yoruba

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 3.0900% / 0.03089983
48.4 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
36.0 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
7.2 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
4.6 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
2.0 Yoruba
1.8 Levant_Epipaleolithic

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 3.1034% / 0.03103361
42.4 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
39.0 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
9.4 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
6.8 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
2.4 Yoruba

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 3.1824% / 0.03182428
46.4 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
39.6 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
6.6 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
5.6 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
1.8 Yoruba

[Lemurian]

Target: Lemurian_scaled
Distance: 3.3017% / 0.03301666

56.8 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
38.6 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
3.2 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers
0.8 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
0.4 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer
0.2 Levant_Epipaleolithic

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.05645132 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
0.21494912 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
0.22794756 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer
0.28339703 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
0.30002171 Levant_Epipaleolithic
0.33117991 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers
0.33783895 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
0.41686850 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
0.54592565 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer
0.66704718 Amerindian
0.77737849 Yoruba

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 3.7111% / 0.03711051
78.0 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
17.6 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
4.4 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer

[cass]

Target: cass
Distance: 3.8979% / 0.03897898
64.6 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
20.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
15.2 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer

Distance to: cass
0.05875343 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
0.21293630 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer
0.22212535 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
0.28303246 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
0.30091645 Levant_Epipaleolithic
0.32622876 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
0.32796191 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers
0.41992582 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
0.54325010 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer
0.66370861 Amerindian
0.77549443 Yoruba

https://i.ibb.co/zJpY32k/Zrzut-ekranu-27-8-2024-105352-www-exploreyourdna-com.jpg (https://ibb.co/QdLRWH5)

exactly where it should be

[Upsilander]

Target: cass
0.41992582 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
0.54325010 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer
0.66370861 Amerindian
0.77549443 Yoruba

Why are you closer to North Africa, Siberian, Amerindian and Yoruba if you are Polish??!

Target: Upsilander23andme
0.42223266 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
0.55631025 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer
0.67613716 Amerindian
0.78739796 Yoruba

Do you have some Nigerian or Yakut in your family tree?

[cass]

This is even an interesting question. From what I can see in the three-dimensional format, it is German shift.

https://i.ibb.co/S6TpfsH/dist.jpg (https://ibb.co/b6hnbWY)

[Jingle Bell]

Target: JingleBell_Dad_scaled
Distance: 1.1877% / 0.01187695
35.8 Yoruba
25.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
23.2 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
5.6 Amerindian
3.8 Levant_Epipaleolithic
3.0 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
1.8 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers
1.2 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
0.4 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.0706% / 0.02070597
44.4 Yoruba
21.4 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
17.4 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
4.6 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
4.0 Levant_Epipaleolithic
2.8 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
2.8 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers
2.6 Amerindian

I will never understand why we score so much WHG and so much MENA

[Upsilander]

This is even an interesting question. From what I can see in the three-dimensional format, it is German shift.

https://i.ibb.co/S6TpfsH/dist.jpg (https://ibb.co/b6hnbWY)

Just WHG+ EEF combo will win everytime (or combined with very high Baltic). The problem is in southernmost Europe, usually it comes with "something else" that make these increased distances vanish but there are probably areas just north of the mediterranean countries who might check all the boxes, without adding too much East Asian, since of course with that you only increase the African distance but reduces the rest.

[tk'es]

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 4.7479% / 0.04747852
41.4 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
28.8 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
17.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
7.6 Levant_Epipaleolithic
4.6 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer
0.4 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers



Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 8.1667% / 0.08166694 | ADC: 2x RC
53.2 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
46.8 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer

[EasternLusitanian]

Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 2.4542% / 0.02454190
43.0 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
42.8 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
9.0 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
5.2 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer

Probably inflated north african and reduced WHG

[Katarzyna]

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 5.0280% / 0.05027959
64.8 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
19.0 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer
16.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics)
Distance: 4.8418% / 0.04841837
70.0 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
16.2 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer
13.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
0.6 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer

[cass]

Just WHG+ EEF combo will win everytime (or combined with very high Baltic). The problem is in southernmost Europe, usually it comes with "something else" that make these increased distances vanish but there are probably areas just north of the mediterranean countries who might check all the boxes, without adding too much East Asian, since of course with that you only increase the African distance but reduces the rest.

If you add up all the distances except EEF, IE, WHG, EHG, then the oldest populations are the Balts, Sardinians and Basques. The least incumbent are, of course, the Roma and the Tatars.

https://i.ibb.co/NV3hJDw/extr.jpg (https://ibb.co/Wx39M8S)

[Upsilander]

If you add up all the distances except EEF, IE, WHG, EHG, then the oldest populations are the Balts, Sardinians and Basques. The least incumbent are, of course, the Roma and the Tatars.


I don't get all the meaning of your sentence but i imagine what the calculation was.

[cass]

I don't get all the meaning of your sentence but i imagine what the calculation was.

That's good. It seems that such a result is also visible on this map of autosomal clusters.
https://i.ibb.co/7Q0MjmW/3cf21f1a5xdy-1.jpg (https://ibb.co/YXVnPsk)

[Upsilander]

That's good. It seems that such a result is also visible on this map of autosomal clusters.

Cantabrian Basque refuge to Baltic was surely a nice vacation trip when global cooling was over.

[cass]

Cantabrian Basque refuge to Baltic was surely a nice vacation trip when global cooling was over.

I don't think that many have found their way to the Baltic Sea.
https://i.ibb.co/w4WcQS3/1woCISh.png (https://ibb.co/XtsY57N)

[Upsilander]

I don't think that many have found their way to the Baltic Sea.
https://i.ibb.co/w4WcQS3/1woCISh.png (https://ibb.co/XtsY57N)

Cantabrian was a Cromag refuge, not Barcin. Ancestors of WHG, at least some.

But good map. Useful for the next dumbfuck who tells you North Africans are neolithic.

[Sovanz]

Target: JingleBell_Dad_scaled
Distance: 1.1877% / 0.01187695
35.8 Yoruba
25.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
23.2 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
5.6 Amerindian
3.8 Levant_Epipaleolithic
3.0 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
1.8 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers
1.2 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
0.4 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 2.0706% / 0.02070597
44.4 Yoruba
21.4 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
17.4 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
4.6 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
4.0 Levant_Epipaleolithic
2.8 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
2.8 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers
2.6 Amerindian

I will never understand why we score so much WHG and so much MENA

If I'm not mistaken Spaniards are among the most WHG Southern Europeans, and mena because of their kicked Jewish /Northern past that moved to Latm.

[Vessna]

Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 6.5855% / 0.06585489
65.4 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
18.6 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer
15.6 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
0.4 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer

Distance to: Vessna_scaled
0.07609462 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
0.20530866 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer
0.24410526 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
0.29116382 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
0.31556620 Levant_Epipaleolithic
0.32680594 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
0.33799969 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers
0.42733335 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
0.53604918 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer
0.65786656 Amerindian
0.77496384 Yoruba

[Demirkazık]

Target: Demir
Distance: 3.2828% / 0.03282829
31.0 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
20.4 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
15.4 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
14.6 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer
11.2 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers
7.4 Levant_Epipaleolithic

[noricum]

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 4.4113% / 0.04411327
63.4 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
26.6 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
10.0 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer

Distance to: G25noricum_scaled
0.07335771 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
0.20125750 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
0.23529208 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer
0.28323465 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
0.28776401 Levant_Epipaleolithic
0.32383459 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers
0.34350963 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
0.41224388 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
0.54978710 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer
0.67121179 Amerindian
0.77462777 Yoruba

[Damião de Góis]

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 3.1449% / 0.03144851
49.0 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
39.8 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
5.2 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
4.4 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
1.6 Yoruba

[Athalafuns]

Target: RNB27
Distance: 2.5797% / 0.02579690
49.0 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
38.6 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
6.8 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
5.6 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic

[gixajo]

Cantabrian was a Cromag refuge, not Barcin. Ancestors of WHG, at least some.

But good map. Useful for the next dumbfuck who tells you North Africans are neolithic.

I don´t know what Gallop meant when he said that of "NA are Neolithic" but NA Neolithic arrived mainly(but probably not only) to NA after crossing all Europe and from Neolithic people from the Iberian peninsula.


The late-Neolithic Kehf el Baroud inhabitants were modelled as being of about 50% local North African ancestry and 50% Early European Farmer (EEF) ancestry. It was suggested that EEF ancestry had entered North Africa through Cardial Ware colonists from Iberia sometime between 5000 and 3000 BC. They were found to be closely related to the Guanches of the Canary Islands.

From: Ancient genomes from North Africa evidence prehistoric migrations to the Maghreb from both the Levant and Europe
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6042094/)

Maybe he wanted to convey that but didn't know how to do it in the right way.

[Upsilander]

I don´t know what Gallop meant when he said that of "NA are Neolithic" but NA Neolithic arrived mainly(but probably not only) to NA after crossing all Europe and from Neolithic people from the Iberian peninsula.



From: Ancient genomes from North Africa evidence prehistoric migrations to the Maghreb from both the Levant and Europe
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6042094/)

Maybe he wanted to convey that but didn't know how to do it in the right way.

I wasn't thinking about Gallop, i didn't see him saying that but this is a common reoccurence on forums. I struggle to get the meaning of his posts so far (lol). Indeed neolithic people went all the way across all Europe and then to North Africa, for a good part. They are not that Barcin-like in the end, mostly blue/purple level of rather central-north Europe. It would be like saying people from lower Saxony are a good representation of Neolithic. Most NAs obviously have something else more basal inspired (ANA and recent Levant like)

[gixajo]

I They are not that Barcin-like in the end, mostly blue/purple level of rather central-north Europe. It would be like saying people from lower Saxony are a good representation of Neolithic. Most NAs obviously have something else more basal inspired (ANA and recent Levant like)

Modern North Africans, more specifically Moroccans, and more especially from the north, share a good portion of their ancient ancestry with Europeans, not only EEF+WHG, but also Yamnaya. That doesn't make them less African, of course, but it does make them an intermediate step between a "pure African" type SSA and Europe.

Half of EEF (that is not just Anatolian Neolithic but also WHG) is a lot sharing.

The movements through the Strait of Gibraltar are very old, and in both senses, anyone who tries to attribute to the "Moorish presence" in the peninsula ALL the NA contribution that the majority of the Iberian population now has to that period, is wrong. In the same way, the Iberian contribution presented by the modern populations of Morocco, especially from the north.

[#Oda#]

Target: #Oda#_scaled
Distance: 2.6438% / 0.02643807
70.2 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
19.8 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
7.8 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer
2.2 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer

[#Oda#]

Distance to: #Oda#_scaled
0.05164559 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
0.21481700 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
0.21911587 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer
0.28055787 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
0.29972533 Levant_Epipaleolithic
0.32754377 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers
0.33062480 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
0.41879879 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
0.54763627 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer
0.66381346 Amerindian
0.77455879 Yoruba

[gixajo]

Anyway, just to illustrate what I´ve said:

https://i.imgur.com/tMihaIO.png

[PT Tagus]

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 3.0688% / 0.03068765
44.0 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
39.4 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
5.4 Levant_Epipaleolithic
5.2 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
3.0 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
3.0 Yoruba

[Upsilander]

Modern North Africans, more specifically Moroccans, and more especially from the north, share a good portion of their ancient ancestry with Europeans, not only EEF+WHG, but also Yamnaya. That doesn't make them less African, of course, but it does make them an intermediate step between a "pure African" type SSA and Europe.

Half of EEF (that is not just Anatolian Neolithic but also WHG) is a lot sharing.

The movements through the Strait of Gibraltar are very old, and in both senses, anyone who tries to attribute to the "Moorish presence" in the peninsula ALL the NA contribution that the majority of the Iberian population now has to that period, is wrong. In the same way, the Iberian contribution presented by the modern populations of Morocco, especially from the north.


Anyway, just to illustrate what I´ve said:

https://i.imgur.com/tMihaIO.png

Generally agrees with what you wrote but case in point, one of their two main components "North Africa Epipaleolithic" is quite far from us. It would be the farthest away Europeans can score (besides full SSA, Amerindian, Siberian) because it's indeed an intermediate between Eurasians and SSA.

Distance to: Upsilander23andme
0.06886528 Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
0.20199916 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
0.22745735 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer
0.28573507 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
0.29725344 Levant_Epipaleolithic
0.33344064 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
0.33598868 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers
0.42223266 North_Africa_Epipaleolithic
0.55631025 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer
0.67613716 Amerindian
0.78739796 Yoruba

Is it the same model you ran? (i don't see an EHG)

[Upsilander]

Also little experiment to see what's into this Early Bronze Age we all score highly (decent distance for ancients)

Target: Early_Bronze_Age_Europe_Indoeuropean
Distance: 7.0537% / 0.07053697
47.0 Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer
24.4 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmers
24.2 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
3.2 Zagros_Neolithic_Farmers
1.2 Amerindian

Fits as the commonly accepted model EHG + CHG of the Steppe (here it likes to pick up some ANF too)


Bonus

Target: Eastern_European_Hunter_Gatherer
Distance: 9.2201% / 0.09220147
75.0 Western_European_Hunter_Gatherer
17.8 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
6.2 Amerindian
1.0 Siberian_Hunter_Gatherer