Gedrosia K3 Inspired G25

[Eurafricanid]

This is a East/West Eurasian + SSA calculator, so it should work for everybody, Scaled :)


Components:

East_Eurasian,0.031434,-0.4254842,0.0564612,-0.0330608,-0.0122057,-0.0138159,0.012778,0.0146174,0.0041814,-0.0032852,0.070509,0.006729,-0.0035811,-0.0115441,-0.0041779,-0.0022246,-0.0028076,0.009045,0.0161557,-0.0084568,0.0233151,-0.018423,0.0164419,-0.0030948,-0.0182832

West_Eurasian,0.09356,0.1167471,0.0450972,0.048557 5,0.0494027,0.014359,0.009254,0.012017,0.0315211,-0.0011219,-0.0027403,-0.00521,0.008424,-0.0011559,0.0303179,0.0358369,0.0063777,0.0037058,-0.0062458,0.0315804,0.0507339,-0.0000522,-0.0236351,-0.0838488,0.0128056

SSA,-0.6085919,0.0598319,0.0145352,0.0111044,-0.0003544,0.0050818,0.0271308,-0.0133384,0.011141,-0.0191529,-0.0039966,-0.0024652,-0.0142763,0.001185,0.0051985,-0.0079097,0.0109677,0.0445913,-0.0097789,-0.0052746,-0.0055533,0.0009404,-0.0005441,-0.002121,0.0013859

[Upsilander]

Target: Upsilander23andme
Distance: 13.6847% / 0.13684651
100.0 West_Eurasian


Distance to: Upsilander23andme
0.13684651 West_Eurasian
0.59599511 East_Eurasian
0.76418366 SSA

[Eurafricanid]

Mine's shocking :eek:

Target: Eurafricanid_scaled
Distance: 9.1241% / 0.09124073
51.0 West_Eurasian
47.4 SSA
1.6 East_Eurasian


Parts:

Target: Eurafricanid-SSA
Distance: 11.9693% / 0.11969313
100.0 SSA


Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 13.7146% / 0.13714554
100.0 West_Eurasian


Target: Eurafricanid-AM
Distance: 48.1029% / 0.48102923
75.2 East_Eurasian
24.4 West_Eurasian
0.4 SSA




Distances:

Distance to: Eurafricanid_scaled
0.35635048 West_Eurasian
0.38742670 SSA
0.59746423 East_Eurasian

Distance to: Eurafricanid-EU
0.13714554 West_Eurasian
0.59146570 East_Eurasian
0.73820304 SSA

Distance to: Eurafricanid-SSA
0.11969313 SSA
0.73723648 West_Eurasian
0.82996021 East_Eurasian

Distance to: Eurafricanid-AM
0.50152206 East_Eurasian
0.64741063 West_Eurasian
0.89014665 SSA

[Athalafuns]

Target: RNB27
Distance: 13.2099% / 0.13209871
99.0 West_Eurasian
0.6 SSA
0.4 East_Eurasian

[Sovanz]

very cool, seems exatcly what i get with gedmatch but ssa seems to high?


Target: Sovanz_scaled
Distance: 21.4500% / 0.21450011
65.0 West_Eurasian
31.0 East_Eurasian
4.0 SSA

[Sovanz]

Mine's shocking :eek:

Target: Eurafricanid_scaled
Distance: 9.1241% / 0.09124073
51.0 West_Eurasian
47.4 SSA
1.6 East_Eurasian


Parts:

Target: Eurafricanid-SSA
Distance: 11.9693% / 0.11969313
100.0 SSA


Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 13.7146% / 0.13714554
100.0 West_Eurasian


Target: Eurafricanid-AM
Distance: 48.1029% / 0.48102923
75.2 East_Eurasian
24.4 West_Eurasian
0.4 SSA




Distances:

Distance to: Eurafricanid_scaled
0.35635048 West_Eurasian
0.38742670 SSA
0.59746423 East_Eurasian

Distance to: Eurafricanid-EU
0.13714554 West_Eurasian
0.59146570 East_Eurasian
0.73820304 SSA

Distance to: Eurafricanid-SSA
0.11969313 SSA
0.73723648 West_Eurasian
0.82996021 East_Eurasian

Distance to: Eurafricanid-AM
0.50152206 East_Eurasian
0.64741063 West_Eurasian
0.89014665 SSA


cool can u mine per breakdown?

[Ahmet]

Target: Ahmet_scaled
Distance: 19.2666% / 0.19266590
88.6 West_Eurasian
10.6 East_Eurasian
0.8 SSA

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.14292851 West_Eurasian
0.58621255 East_Eurasian
0.75400084 SSA

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 14.2776% / 0.14277567
98.8 West_Eurasian
1.2 East_Eurasian

[Demirkazık]

Target: Demir
Distance: 16.0938% / 0.16093797
82.4 West_Eurasian
17.6 East_Eurasian

Quite similar to my actual Gedrosia K3 results.
https://i.ibb.co/sV0prtt/zaza.png

[vader]

Target: Algarvio_scaled
Distance: 13.4146% / 0.13414650
96.8 West_Eurasian
1.8 SSA
1.4 East_Eurasian

Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 26.3977% / 0.26397724
57.4 West_Eurasian
38.0 East_Eurasian
4.6 SSA

[Sovanz]

Target: Algarvio_scaled
Distance: 13.4146% / 0.13414650
96.8 West_Eurasian
1.8 SSA
1.4 East_Eurasian

Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 26.3977% / 0.26397724
57.4 West_Eurasian
38.0 East_Eurasian
4.6 SSA

In reality your wife Is more Caucasian than 48-50%

[vader]

In reality your wife Is more Caucasian than 48-50%

I think it’s the fact that her Amerindian has ANE shared ancestry.

[Eurafricanid]

I think it’s the fact that her Amerindian has ANE shared ancestry.

Yes, the Amerindians are around 3/4 East Eurasian and 1/4 West Eurasian in this model.

[Sovanz]

Yes, the Amerindians are around 3/4 East Eurasian and 1/4 West Eurasian in this model.

Is there any way you can found out what part of the Middle east or Europe their Caucasoid Input comes from?

Like just using the west eurosian ancestry of pure amerindians and extend it to the max 100%

I don't know why nobody has done that I think that would be pretty interesting.

[Eurafricanid]

Is there any way you can found out what part of the Middle east or Europe their Caucasoid Input comes from?

Like just using the west eurosian ancestry of pure amerindians and extend it to the max 100%

I don't know why nobody has done that I think that would be pretty interesting.

It's from ANE, Amerindians are around 40% ANE and ANE were around >3/4 West Eurasian.

[Sovanz]

It's from ANE, Amerindians are around 40% ANE and ANE were around >3/4 West Eurasian.

Yup I know ANE were technically a castizo sub group, regardless the 25-30% west eurosian ancestry pure amerindians get still Caucasian ancestry I mean I don't want to sound more OWD .

But Is there any way you can trace their west eurosian/caucasian from? Just focusing on their west eurosian 100% like what country of Europe or middle east their Caucasoid blood plots.


Not sure If I'm making sense or maybe I'm asking too much with this complicated/technical question?

I personally think this would be very interesting since genetics are more advanced than 5 years ago.

[Eurafricanid]

Yup I know ANE were technically a castizo sub group, regardless the 25-30% west eurosian ancestry pure amerindians get still Caucasian ancestry I mean I don't want to sound more OWD .

But Is there any way you can trace their west eurosian/caucasian from? Just focusing on their west eurosian 100% like what country of Europe or middle east their Caucasoid blood plots.


Not sure If I'm making sense or maybe I'm asking too much with this complicated/technical question?

I personally think this would be very interesting since genetics are more advanced than 5 years ago.

I don't know what you want here, but all West Eurasian ancestry Amerindians have is either ANE or recent Post-Spanish admixture.

[noricum]

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 14.0801% / 0.14080085
99.6 West_Eurasian
0.4 East_Eurasian

[Dušan]

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 14.6226% / 0.14622644
97.6 West_Eurasian
2.4 East_Eurasian

[Upsilander]

Anyone else joining the 100% West Eurasian club? :confused:

[tk'es]

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 19.7849% / 0.19784940
89.4 West_Eurasian
10.6 East_Eurasian

[cass]

Target: cass
Distance: 13.0845% / 0.13084500
98.8 West_Eurasian
1.2 East_Eurasian

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 12.9473% / 0.12947330
99.0 West_Eurasian
0.6 SSA
0.4 East_Eurasian

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 13.2244% / 0.13224397
98.4 West_Eurasian
1.6 SSA

Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 13.3531% / 0.13353150
98.8 West_Eurasian
1.2 SSA

Wrong SSA results for Spaniards. It can be checked in this thread with supposed Brazilian SSA with Gedmatcha kit number. Neither my father nor I get results and my brother half a segment and with the minimum segment in 3. and considering that he is a black man who has already left Africa for Brazil, where he could have mated with a white man several centuries ago upon his arrival, and never again in the centuries that followed.

Thread: 100% SSA or Near Full SSA Brazilians
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?387272-100-SSA-or-Near-Full-SSA-Brazilians

G25 starts to show its failures and manipulations especially for Spaniards.

She has born in Rio de Janeiro State in the 1920s,Gedmatch:TH7256372
Born in Minas Gerais in the 1940s,Gedmatch:MK7449931

Comparing Kit xxxxxxx (*Father) [FTDNA] and Kit TH7256372 (Edite) [Genera]

Hard Breaks Checked for cM (2.0) if GAP is greater than 500000 Basis Pairs.
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically with an average of 208 SNPs. About 2/3 will occur between 191 and 225.
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.


No shared DNA segments found

0 SNPs used for this comparison.


Minimo segmento a 3

Comparing Kit xxxxxxx (*Father) [FTDNA] and Kit TH7256372 (Edite) [Genera]

Hard Breaks Checked for cM (2.0) if GAP is greater than 500000 Basis Pairs.
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically with an average of 208 SNPs. About 2/3 will occur between 191 and 225.
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

No shared DNA segments found

0 SNPs used for this comparison.


Comparing Kit xxxx (*Father) [FTDNA] and Kit MK7449931 (Silvério Leandro Gomes) [Genera]

Hard Breaks Checked for cM (2.0) if GAP is greater than 500000 Basis Pairs.
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically with an average of 208 SNPs. About 2/3 will occur between 191 and 225.
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.


No shared DNA segments found

0 SNPs used for this comparison.

Minimum segment 3
Comparing Kit xxxxxxxx (*Father) [FTDNA] and Kit MK7449931 (Silvério Leandro Gomes) [Genera]

Hard Breaks Checked for cM (2.0) if GAP is greater than 500000 Basis Pairs.
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically with an average of 208 SNPs. About 2/3 will occur between 191 and 225.
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.


No shared DNA segments found

0 SNPs used for this comparison.

Wrong result

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 13.2244% / 0.13224397
98.4 West_Eurasian
1.6 SSA

[ScandinavianCelt]

Gedmatch Gedrosia K3 (using Superkit-- which is Gedmatch official merged data file):

E_Eurasian 4.02 Pct
SSA -
W_Eurasian 95.98 Pct

This thread's calc with individual data sets measured:

Target: SC_Official_23andMe_Scaled
Distance: 13.3388% / 0.13338804
98.2 West_Eurasian
1.8 East_Eurasian

Target: SC_2ndOfficial_Ancestry_Scaled
Distance: 13.1444% / 0.13144389
98.0 West_Eurasian
2.0 East_Eurasian

[Upsilander]

Gedmatch Gedrosia K3 (using Superkit-- which is Gedmatch official merged data file):

E_Eurasian 4.02 Pct
SSA -
W_Eurasian 95.98 Pct

This thread's calc with individual data sets measured:

Target: SC_Official_23andMe_Scaled
Distance: 13.3388% / 0.13338804
98.2 West_Eurasian
1.8 East_Eurasian

Target: SC_2ndOfficial_Ancestry_Scaled
Distance: 13.1444% / 0.13144389
98.0 West_Eurasian
2.0 East_Eurasian

Confirms this test goes easy on the East Eurasian and maybe SSA too. On K3 gematch i score 0.8 East Eurasian, and in the Eurogenes a bit of Siberian sometimes (1% something). In this K3 0%.

[vader]

@Gallop

Target: SSA
Distance: 6.0595% / 0.06059547
53.4 Yoruba
46.6 ETH_4500BP


The sample is quintessentially sub saharan with an eastern African affinity too (which could have maybe some slight west eurasian dna -not 100% sure). No one is trying to manipulate you, lol. The fact you don’t match a particular sample’s snps on Gedmatch doesn’t mean you won’t have some level of affinity towards it on G25. For example, you won’t share snps with every Andalusian person… it just isn’t possible. But to explain the SSA appearing in your family it is more than likely your family’s amount of Taforalt admixture which in and within itself has a level of ancient sub-Saharan-like dna signals (about 30-40%). So naturally on a model like this one it will appear elevated without the Taforalt component.


If your dad for example had 4.6% taforalt on an ancient calc… he probably has about 4.6 * .34= 1.564 (rounded 1.6%) SSA signals popping up to compensate for taforalt not appearing on a calc like this.

[cass]

Confirms this test goes easy on the East Eurasian and maybe SSA too. On K3 gematch i score 0.8 East Eurasian, and in the Eurogenes a bit of Siberian sometimes (1% something). In this K3 0%.

https://i.ibb.co/k1J75S7/Zrzut-ekranu-23-8-2024-171032-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://ibb.co/RyNFYDF)

Completely unexpected for Nordoids.

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
Distance: 13.5074% / 0.13507376
100.0 West_Eurasian

Target: gixajo_scaled(23andMe)
Distance: 13.3352% / 0.13335161
100.0 West_Eurasian

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 14.8409% / 0.14840899
99.2 West_Eurasian
0.8 SSA

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 13.6721% / 0.13672120
100.0 West_Eurasian

Target: gixajo_enana(scaled_original)
Distance: 14.0352% / 0.14035194
100.0 West_Eurasian

[cass]

Target: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
Distance: 13.5074% / 0.13507376
100.0 West_Eurasian

Target: gixajo_scaled(23andMe)
Distance: 13.3352% / 0.13335161
100.0 West_Eurasian

https://media.tenor.com/gaEpIfzxzPEAAAAM/pedro-monkey-puppet.gif

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 13.7630% / 0.13762983
95.4 West_Eurasian
3.8 SSA
0.8 East_Eurasian

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 13.5855% / 0.13585514
94.2 West_Eurasian
4.6 SSA
1.2 East_Eurasian

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 13.7003% / 0.13700336
97.2 West_Eurasian
2.8 SSA

[ScandinavianCelt]

This is a East/West Eurasian + SSA calculator, so it should work for everybody, Scaled :)


Components:

East_Eurasian,0.031434,-0.4254842,0.0564612,-0.0330608,-0.0122057,-0.0138159,0.012778,0.0146174,0.0041814,-0.0032852,0.070509,0.006729,-0.0035811,-0.0115441,-0.0041779,-0.0022246,-0.0028076,0.009045,0.0161557,-0.0084568,0.0233151,-0.018423,0.0164419,-0.0030948,-0.0182832

West_Eurasian,0.09356,0.1167471,0.0450972,0.048557 5,0.0494027,0.014359,0.009254,0.012017,0.0315211,-0.0011219,-0.0027403,-0.00521,0.008424,-0.0011559,0.0303179,0.0358369,0.0063777,0.0037058,-0.0062458,0.0315804,0.0507339,-0.0000522,-0.0236351,-0.0838488,0.0128056

SSA,-0.6085919,0.0598319,0.0145352,0.0111044,-0.0003544,0.0050818,0.0271308,-0.0133384,0.011141,-0.0191529,-0.0039966,-0.0024652,-0.0142763,0.001185,0.0051985,-0.0079097,0.0109677,0.0445913,-0.0097789,-0.0052746,-0.0055533,0.0009404,-0.0005441,-0.002121,0.0013859


Have you gotten official coords from IllustrativeDNA for a merged data set file you made with the DNA Kit Studio? I'm not sure which merged file would be the best to submit to Ill.DNA, as they don't answer me when I write to them about it (twice now). The Kit Studio app allows to merge files in different ways and with different output formats, so I wasn't sure if you knew their recommendation for merging and then submitting that file to them. My merged file leans closer to my Ancestry data than my 23andMe data, and least on the PCA and some calc results.

[Upsilander]

https://i.ibb.co/k1J75S7/Zrzut-ekranu-23-8-2024-171032-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://ibb.co/RyNFYDF)

Completely unexpected for Nordoids.

Based on this i should score 0.45% (Using "French Swiss", not far from my French region)

How Swiss Italians score the most of the Swiss :confused: as much as a Norwegian or Swede.

[Gergő Marosvári]

Target: Gergő
Distance: 12.8631% / 0.12863116
96.0 West_Eurasian
4.0 East_Eurasian

[cass]

Based on this i should score 0.45% (Using "French Swiss", not far from my French region)

How Swiss Italians score the most of the Swiss :confused: as much as a Norwegian or Swede.

That's a good question.


https://i.ibb.co/tKTXkw4/Zrzut-ekranu-23-8-2024-185026-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://ibb.co/1Qt6hYL)

Do you see any pattern?

[Upsilander]

That's a good question.


https://i.ibb.co/tKTXkw4/Zrzut-ekranu-23-8-2024-185026-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://ibb.co/1Qt6hYL)

Do you see any pattern?

Seems crazy for north Italians Friuli. Not really a pattern, SW French seems get the least of it. There are several Burgundy, with 0, 0.4 and 1.6%, same for Normandy. And that only Italians get SSA.

[Jingle Bell]

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 9.3193% / 0.09319254
51.8 West_Eurasian
46.8 SSA
1.4 East_Eurasian

Target: Dad_Simulated
Distance: 9.8147% / 0.09814667
58.2 West_Eurasian
37.6 SSA
4.2 East_Eurasian

[cass]

Seems crazy for north Italians Friuli. Not really a pattern, SW French seems get the least of it. There are several Burgundy, with 0, 0.4 and 1.6%, same for Normandy. And that only Italians get SSA.

The only explanation that comes to my mind is the invasion of Huns and Arabs. Are there any other possibilities?

https://i.ibb.co/0mntspL/hun.gif (https://ibb.co/gmrV4b8)

https://i.ibb.co/5vrDB9y/main-qimg-7aa55b5fe32a01cba20ac6c5499c0a68-pjlq-1.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)





Nearby Slavs have too low EA levels, and they have never reached beyond the Venice region.

https://i.ibb.co/W0hNCV1/Zrzut-ekranu-23-8-2024-21239-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Eurafricanid]

Have you gotten official coords from IllustrativeDNA for a merged data set file you made with the DNA Kit Studio? I'm not sure which merged file would be the best to submit to Ill.DNA, as they don't answer me when I write to them about it (twice now). The Kit Studio app allows to merge files in different ways and with different output formats, so I wasn't sure if you knew their recommendation for merging and then submitting that file to them. My merged file leans closer to my Ancestry data than my 23andMe data, and least on the PCA and some calc results.

Yes, my only coords are the merged ones, I've never gotten any coords from exclusive companies and I don't want to. I've had merged the coords in slightly different ways based on my tests with the tool, and they're all the same, when all the raw datas are merged together.
I merged my DNA files using a method I created, after some years learning how to use it and how the it works.
I've merged the MyHeritage, FTDNA and Genera data, the reason why your merged data's closer to Ancestry DNA is that the Ancestry data already has the most coverage for the common ethnicity/Admixture tools (GED match, Admixture Studio, G25, etc).

[Eurafricanid]

@Gallop

Target: SSA
Distance: 6.0595% / 0.06059547
53.4 Yoruba
46.6 ETH_4500BP


The sample is quintessentially sub saharan with an eastern African affinity too (which could have maybe some slight west eurasian dna -not 100% sure). No one is trying to manipulate you, lol. The fact you don’t match a particular sample’s snps on Gedmatch doesn’t mean you won’t have some level of affinity towards it on G25. For example, you won’t share snps with every Andalusian person… it just isn’t possible. But to explain the SSA appearing in your family it is more than likely your family’s amount of Taforalt admixture which in and within itself has a level of ancient sub-Saharan-like dna signals (about 30-40%). So naturally on a model like this one it will appear elevated without the Taforalt component.


If your dad for example had 4.6% taforalt on an ancient calc… he probably has about 4.6 * .34= 1.564 (rounded 1.6%) SSA signals popping up to compensate for taforalt not appearing on a calc like this.

It's based on various SSA populations, like West Africans, (East and West) Bantus, Southern Africans and Nilo-Saharan populations, no Horn of Africa populations were used.

I intentionally avoided using Taforalt in my West Eurasian component for obvious reasons.

[Kostek]

Target: Kostek_scaled
Distance: 14.5154% / 0.14515386
99.0 West_Eurasian
1.0 East_Eurasian

[Beowulf]

Target: Beowulf_Merged_Scaled
Distance: 0.1289% / 0.12888066
98.9 West_Eurasian
1.1 East_Eurasian

[Jased]

It would be nice If you add an Australoid sample since those are the main races of humans Caucasian, mongoloid, SSA and Australoid anything else Is sub ethnicity.

[Johnson Reed]

I don't know what you want here, but all West Eurasian ancestry Amerindians have is either ANE or recent Post-Spanish admixture.

Then why were Amerindians so primitive if they shared ancestry with Europeans?

[Jased]

Then why were Amerindians so primitive if they shared ancestry with Europeans?

Good question, but amerindians are basically an Indomestizo group of their own and have ancient Caucasian DNA usually 25% and 75% mongoloid.

[Upsilander]

Yup I know ANE were technically a castizo sub group, regardless the 25-30% west eurosian ancestry pure amerindians get still Caucasian ancestry I mean I don't want to sound more OWD .

But Is there any way you can trace their west eurosian/caucasian from? Just focusing on their west eurosian 100% like what country of Europe or middle east their Caucasoid blood plots.


Not sure If I'm making sense or maybe I'm asking too much with this complicated/technical question?

I personally think this would be very interesting since genetics are more advanced than 5 years ago.

That can't be answered easily because what they share with West Eurasian is something very old, before this part really evolved into "white". It is found in ANE 25 000 years old but the W.Eurasian in it is even much older than this, having to go back likely to Kostenki and Ust Ishim. What is West Eurasian in them never even lived in Europe, it's just that Europeans received a part of it through some EHG much later, mostly through Yamnaya. If it didn't happen we wouldn't even say they are part W.Eurasian. More correct to say they share something with modern Europeans than they are part West Eurasian.

[Jased]

That can't be answered easily because what they share with West Eurasian is something very old, before this part really evolved into "white". It is found in ANE 25 000 years old but the W.Eurasian in it is even much older than this, having to go back likely to Kostenki and Ust Ishim. What is West Eurasian in them never even lived in Europe, it's just that Europeans received a part of it through some EHG much later, mostly through Yamnaya. If it didn't happen we wouldn't even say they are part W.Eurasian. More correct to say they share something with modern Europeans than they are part West Eurasian.

Do you happened to have an Australoid sample? I think this calculator that's what It needs to be fully completed In my opinion. I've read supposed amerindians have ancient Oceanian /Australoid/veddoi admixture.

For example on gedmatch it's common af for Latinos to get Ocenia not sure If it's part of amerindian or can be discarded as a "noise"

[Upsilander]

Do you happened to have an Australoid sample? I think this calculator that's what It needs to be fully completed In my opinion. I've read supposed amerindians have ancient Oceanian /Australoid/veddoi admixture.

For example on gedmatch it's common af for Latinos to get Ocenia not sure If it's part of amerindian or can be discarded as a "noise"

You can try Papuan, it's more distant.

Oceanian_Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048


For me changes nothing

Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 13.6847% / 0.13684651
100.0 West_Eurasian

[Jased]

You can try Papuan, it's more distant.

Oceanian_Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048


For me changes nothing

Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 13.6847% / 0.13684651
100.0 West_Eurasian


I knew It LOL, my instincts never lie. So amerindians apperantly do have some admixture from there I guess that's why Is consistent on gedmatch.

Target: Hasien_scaled
Distance: 21.4357% / 0.21435694 | R5P
64.6 West_Eurasian
30.4 East_Eurasian
3.8 SSA
1.2 Oceanian_Papuan

[Anatolya]

Target: Anatolya_scaled
Distance: 16.9797% / 0.16979722
87.4 West_Eurasian
10.6 East_Eurasian
2.0 SSA

[EasternLusitanian]

Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.1408% / 0.14076669
98.2 West_Eurasian
1.5 SSA
0.3 East_Eurasian

[Eurafricanid]

I knew It LOL, my instincts never lie. So amerindians apperantly do have some admixture from there I guess that's why Is consistent on gedmatch.

Target: Hasien_scaled
Distance: 21.4357% / 0.21435694 | R5P
64.6 West_Eurasian
30.4 East_Eurasian
3.8 SSA
1.2 Oceanian_Papuan


My full results don't change, I guess it's too little Amerindian, but my isolated Amerindian part does change:


Target: Eurafricanid-AM
Distance: 48.0790% / 0.48078965
74.0 East_Eurasian
23.8 West_Eurasian
2.2 Oceanian_Papuan

It loses the 0.4% SSA it had, too.

[Eurafricanid]

Then why were Amerindians so primitive if they shared ancestry with Europeans?

Thhey just didn't feel the pressure to be "more advanced", do you think WHG were more advanced than Amerindians? BTW, there were pretty big empires and civilizations in the Americas when the Europeans came here.

[Jased]

My full results don't change, I guess it's too little Amerindian, but my isolated Amerindian part does change:


Target: Eurafricanid-AM
Distance: 48.0790% / 0.48078965
74.0 East_Eurasian
23.8 West_Eurasian
2.2 Oceanian_Papuan

It loses the 0.4% SSA it had, too.


What does Oceanian papuan consist about anyway?

[Eurafricanid]

What does Oceanian papuan consist about anyway?

https://i.imgur.com/Z3qTvLN.jpeg

[Jased]

https://i.imgur.com/Z3qTvLN.jpeg

Interesting, but why would an Amerindian group score that?

[Eurafricanid]

Interesting, but why would an Amerindian group score that?

Idk, maybe through Polynesians, maybe through mixing before the reaching of the Americas or maybe the asian part of Amerindians was already mixed with some Australian/Oceanian component, or maybe all of the above in very small bits.

[Johnson Reed]

Thhey just didn't feel the pressure to be "more advanced", do you think WHG were more advanced than Amerindians? BTW, there were pretty big empires and civilizations in the Americas when the Europeans came here.

WHG was much more advanced than Red Indians.

[R1b-L51]

Target: Upsilander23andme
Distance: 13.6847% / 0.13684651
100.0 West_Eurasian


Distance to: Upsilander23andme
0.13684651 West_Eurasian
0.59599511 East_Eurasian
0.76418366 SSA

You ara Sassarid ma frend

[Balboa]

Target: Balboa
Distance: 18.2343% / 0.18234275
100.0 West_Eurasian

[R1b-L51]

Distance to: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
0.13473192 West_Eurasian
0.58230670 East_Eurasian
0.71942224 SSA

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 13.3894% / 0.13389393
97.2 West_Eurasian
1.8 SSA
1.0 East_Eurasian


SASSARISM A TUTTI

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[R1b-L51]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 12.9473% / 0.12947330
99.0 West_Eurasian
0.6 SSA
0.4 East_Eurasian

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 13.2244% / 0.13224397
98.4 West_Eurasian
1.6 SSA

Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 13.3531% / 0.13353150
98.8 West_Eurasian
1.2 SSA

Wrong SSA results for Spaniards. It can be checked in this thread with supposed Brazilian SSA with Gedmatcha kit number. Neither my father nor I get results and my brother half a segment and with the minimum segment in 3. and considering that he is a black man who has already left Africa for Brazil, where he could have mated with a white man several centuries ago upon his arrival, and never again in the centuries that followed.

Thread: 100% SSA or Near Full SSA Brazilians
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?387272-100-SSA-or-Near-Full-SSA-Brazilians

G25 starts to show its failures and manipulations especially for Spaniards.

She has born in Rio de Janeiro State in the 1920s,Gedmatch:TH7256372
Born in Minas Gerais in the 1940s,Gedmatch:MK7449931

Comparing Kit xxxxxxx (*Father) [FTDNA] and Kit TH7256372 (Edite) [Genera]

Hard Breaks Checked for cM (2.0) if GAP is greater than 500000 Basis Pairs.
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically with an average of 208 SNPs. About 2/3 will occur between 191 and 225.
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.


No shared DNA segments found

0 SNPs used for this comparison.


Minimo segmento a 3

Comparing Kit xxxxxxx (*Father) [FTDNA] and Kit TH7256372 (Edite) [Genera]

Hard Breaks Checked for cM (2.0) if GAP is greater than 500000 Basis Pairs.
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically with an average of 208 SNPs. About 2/3 will occur between 191 and 225.
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

No shared DNA segments found

0 SNPs used for this comparison.


Comparing Kit xxxx (*Father) [FTDNA] and Kit MK7449931 (Silvério Leandro Gomes) [Genera]

Hard Breaks Checked for cM (2.0) if GAP is greater than 500000 Basis Pairs.
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically with an average of 208 SNPs. About 2/3 will occur between 191 and 225.
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.


No shared DNA segments found

0 SNPs used for this comparison.

Minimum segment 3
Comparing Kit xxxxxxxx (*Father) [FTDNA] and Kit MK7449931 (Silvério Leandro Gomes) [Genera]

Hard Breaks Checked for cM (2.0) if GAP is greater than 500000 Basis Pairs.
Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically with an average of 208 SNPs. About 2/3 will occur between 191 and 225.
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.


No shared DNA segments found

0 SNPs used for this comparison.

Wrong result

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 13.2244% / 0.13224397
98.4 West_Eurasian
1.6 SSA

Pues en tus razonamientos que parecen absurdos, he de reconocer que tienen una componente de lógica aplastante que no se puede dejar pasar.
A fin de cuentas todo está siendo manipulado por los agenditas 2030 globalistas, cuyo fin inmediato es borrar las nacionalidades, invadir occidente con negros y moros, para encerrarnos en casa como hicieron con la PENEdemia, con el supuesto "leiv motiv" de velar por nuestra seguridad.

Well, in your reasoning that seems absurd, I have to recognize that it has a component of overwhelming logic that cannot be ignored.
At the end of the day, everything is being manipulated by the globalist 2030 agendas, whose immediate goal is to erase nationalities, invade the West with blacks and Moors, to lock us at home as they did with the PENNISdemia, with the supposed leiv motive of ensuring our safety.

[R1b-L51]

The only explanation that comes to my mind is the invasion of Huns and Arabs. Are there any other possibilities?

https://i.ibb.co/0mntspL/hun.gif (https://ibb.co/gmrV4b8)

https://i.ibb.co/5vrDB9y/main-qimg-7aa55b5fe32a01cba20ac6c5499c0a68-pjlq-1.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)





Nearby Slavs have too low EA levels, and they have never reached beyond the Venice region.

https://i.ibb.co/W0hNCV1/Zrzut-ekranu-23-8-2024-21239-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)


In fact, many tribes similar to the Burgundians invaded Italy, both the Vandals from their kingdom in North Africa attacked southern Italy, as well as the Ostrogoths from the north, or the Lombards who took over all of it, all of them formed kingdoms. in Italy... but also centuries later the Vikings Normands also formed settlements in southern Italy.

That is why today there are Italian regions that want to distinguish themselves and even become independent, as is the case of Lombardy.

The Kingdom of Africa was a medieval kingdom created in 1135 by the Norman King Roger II of Sicily in the coastal area of ​​Tunisia, eastern Algeria and Tripolitania.

[Vessna]

Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 14.6710% / 0.14671040
97.0 West_Eurasian
3.0 East_Eurasian

[Upsilander]

Idk, maybe through Polynesians, maybe through mixing before the reaching of the Americas or maybe the asian part of Amerindians was already mixed with some Australian/Oceanian component, or maybe all of the above in very small bits.

Yes it's that reason.


You ara Sassarid ma frend


I don't know what is this? I'm sassy for sure.

[R1b-L51]

Yes it's that reason.




I don't know what is this? I'm sassy for sure.

Sesam&Spices Average (SSA) Lol

[Eurafricanid]

Sesam&Spices Average (SSA) Lol

SSA is Sub-Saharan African.

[R1b-L51]

SSA is Sub-Saharan African.

Could you calculate my quota of that??

which is the real one?

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 13.3894% / 0.13389393
97.2 West_Eurasian
1.8 SSA
1.0 East_Eurasian

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 3.3005% / 0.03300496
51.4 ANF
31.6 Yamnaya
10.8 WHG
5.6 Iberomaurusian
0.6 Sub-Saharan_African

[Jased]

Yes it's that reason.




I don't know what is this? I'm sassy for sure.

In your opinion what could be the main factor amerindians have got darker despite having Caucasoid DNA than Asians.

Oceanian could possibly play a factor?

[R1b-L51]

Could you calculate my quota of that??

which is the real one?

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 13.3894% / 0.13389393
97.2 West_Eurasian
1.8 SSA
1.0 East_Eurasian

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 3.3005% / 0.03300496
51.4 ANF
31.6 Yamnaya
10.8 WHG
5.6 Iberomaurusian
0.6 Sub-Saharan_African

Euroafricanid= 5,6 + 0,6 - 1,8= REAL berber??= 4,4

[Upsilander]

In your opinion what could be the main factor amerindians have got darker despite having Caucasoid DNA than Asians.

Oceanian could possibly play a factor?

I think it's too little to have such an influence. When they left Eurasia the proto Caucasian they had was dark skin. It just seems they never got the need to go through further depigmentation. Keep in mind the first alleles for white skins appeared about 40 000 years ago around the near east. It was picked up by the farmers and steppe herders along the way later. Amerindians never got that, since they never went west themselves, only ANE/AG did.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/QpGraph_Maier_et_al._2023_ANE.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/ANE_dispertion.jpg/2560px-ANE_dispertion.jpg

[Fabricius]

Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 12.6536% / 0.12653647
91.8 West_Eurasian
7.0 SSA
1.2 East_Eurasian

Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.13687445 West_Eurasian
0.57339368 East_Eurasian
0.68086844 SSA

[unmoggable]

Target: unmoggable
Distance: 13.3222% / 0.13322204
99.0 West_Eurasian
1.0 East_Eurasian

0.13336048 West_Eurasian
0.58447545 East_Eurasian
0.74727565 SSA

[Petalpusher]

Anyone else joining the 100% West Eurasian club? :confused:

It's a mongoloid forum don't you worry


Target: Petalpusher
Distance: 14.0649% / 0.14064864
100.0 West_Eurasian

Distance to: Petalpusher
0.14064864 West_Eurasian
0.60985906 East_Eurasian
0.76652842 SSA