Rank haplogroups from most to least woggy

[Johnson Reed]

E1b1b, G2a, J1, J2, and T are the "woggy" haplogroups in Europe, but which is the most and least woggy of these?

I'd say that J1 is probably the woggiest, because of its associated with Arabs, or maybe T. G2a might be the least woggy, but I'm not sure.

[Andullero]

E1b1b, G2a, J1, J2, and T are the "woggy" haplogroups in Europe, but which is the most and least woggy of these?

I'd say that J1 is probably the woggiest, because of its associated with Arabs, or maybe T. G2a might be the least woggy, but I'm not sure.

Louis XVI was G2a, so yeah, less woggy.

[Tooting Carmen]

Too complex and convoluted I'm afraid.

[J. Ketch]

They're all equally woggy, I can't decide.

[Johnson Reed]

Louis XVI was G2a, so yeah, less woggy.

Please vote in the poll.


Too complex and convoluted I'm afraid.

How so? There are some haplogroups that are obviously not woggy (I1 especially, least woggy haplogroup, but also R1 and I2), but I think we can rank the "woggy" haplos in Europe by wogginess level

[Andullero]

Please vote in the poll.


Voted for J1 for most because of its association with (((them))).

[Beowulf]

I voted for the first one

Funny thread idea :)

[Valenman]

R1a,R1b,N are more woggy Because they are newer for Europe
Seriously, I think T.
And the least likely I1 because in addition to being exclusively European it is not present in almost a non-Caucasian population, then obviously I2 because it is also 100% European and was also dominant in the Poleolithic and Mesolithic Era

[Demirkazık]

G, G2a, J1, J2, I1, and I2 are common descendants of haplogroup GHIJK. Y-DNA haplogroups J and I likely originated in Southwest Asia and the Caucasus. Their ancestor, GHIJK, originated in South Asia or Southeast Asia. Haplogroup E originated in East and West Africa, while haplogroup T originated in West Asia. You can decide who is woggier than the other.

[gixajo]

This is absurd, European Mesolithic people who had I1 and I2 would be considered super wog in terms of skin and hair color compared to most of the Neolithic people who had most of the HGs showed in that poll .

But hey, some of them had light eyes...

[Upsilander]

R1 is Papuan. True story :icon_confused:

https://media.springernature.com/lw685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1186%2F2041-2223-4-11/MediaObjects/13323_2012_Article_76_Fig3_HTML.jpg

Coming from P and Q

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Haplogroup_P_of_Y-DNA.png

[DoctorCata]

All I don't understand is how someone with I2 has more European DNA than someone from R1b/R1a.

Actually, I imagine R1b/R1a with light eyes, light hair and light skin.

Instead, people with I2 have darker eyes, darker hair and darker skin.

So how can we be more European?

[Upsilander]

All I don't understand is how someone with I2 has more European DNA than someone from R1b/R1a.

Actually, I imagine R1b/R1a with open eyes, light hair and light skin.

Instead, people with I2 have darker eyes, darker hair and darker skin.

So how can we be more European?

Isn't it like asking how someone with the last name Johnson is black and not English (or else)? You just carry the haplogroup markers along the way of your ancestors, like a last name.

[DoctorCata]

Isn't it like asking how someone with the last name Johnson is black and not English (or else)? You just carry the haplogroup markers along the way of your ancestors, like a last name.

Ok, now I understand !

So in this way, in percentage terms I could have more percentages of R1b/R1a ancestors than I2, but maybe they came through the maternal path.

Can you correct me?

[libal]

R is literally Asian. Not like modern Asians. But kinky haired and typical ooga booga features.

[DoctorCata]

R is literally Asian. Not like modern Asians. But kinky haired and typical ooga booga features.

Arrows of Genghis Khan ;)

[vader]

You can be E1b and the whitest person ever, you can be I1 and the blackest person ever. Moral of the story, all of them are woggy.

[Upsilander]

R is literally Asian. Not like modern Asians. But kinky haired and typical ooga booga features.

*Squints*


Ok, now I understand !

So in this way, in percentage terms I could have more percentages of R1b/R1a ancestors than I2, but maybe they came through the maternal path.

Can you correct me?

It doesn't mean anything. Im S21 on the map i linked, but what about my African brothers from another mother "V88" who are R1b too? Just because R1b was so gangster it came back into the hoodz hundred of thousands of years later, then became African again over generations and generations.


https://media.tenor.com/oq3qg9xViqYAAAAM/plotting-rub-hands.gif

[Vessna]

All I don't understand is how someone with I2 has more European DNA than someone from R1b/R1a.

Actually, I imagine R1b/R1a with light eyes, light hair and light skin.

Instead, people with I2 have darker eyes, darker hair and darker skin.

So how can we be more European?

My maternal grandmother is from the village in Belarus where majority of males (including my grandfather) were I2. He was fair skinned, blue eyed with dark blonde hair. My mom’s brothers and nephews are blonde/blue eyed males.

[Valenman]

My maternal grandmother is from the village in Belarus where majority of males (including my grandfather) were I2. He was fair skinned, blue eyed with dark blonde hair. My mom’s brothers and nephews are blonde/blue eyed males.

I don't want to seem annoying, but how do you know that the majority of men in your mother's town are I2?

[Vessna]

I don't want to seem annoying, but how do you know that the majority of men in your mother's town are I2?

Because they are all related :D I matched with some of their male descendants on 23andMe (all 3rd/4th cousins). It’s like a 300 people town.

I guess I have to add some context. Belarusian villages are very isolated for the most part, even now. There is not much population flow.

[Valenman]

Because they are all related :D I matched with some of their male descendants on 23andMe (all 3rd/4th cousins). It’s like a 300 people town.

I guess I have to add some context. Belarusian villages are very isolated for the most part, even now. There is not much population flow.

What part of Belarus are they from? Polesie? I think that's where there is the most, in Spain where it is most found is in the Pyrenees, approximately 30%

[Vessna]

What part of Belarus are they from? Polesie? I think that's where there is the most, in Spain where it is most found is in the Pyrenees, approximately 30%

Kletsk region, slightly north of Polesie.