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Eurafricanid
09-08-2024, 03:47 PM
New Standard Model Scaled
It's for West Eurasians
Components:
ADD DIST COL - NO, REDUCE - NO
v
Oceania,-0.0435375,-0.2376338,-0.2175042,0.2371638,0.154644,-0.358793,-0.0001178,0.0070382,-0.0153902,-0.0035538,-0.005156,0.001199,0.001301,-0.0031655,-0.0047502,-0.0013592,0.007856,0.0008552,-0.0013198,0.0021882,0.003712,0.00068,-0.003882,-0.001958,-0.0034125
South_Asia,0.007449,-0.231104,-0.231375,0.194341,-0.046555,0.082346,-0.00629,0.029412,0.149897,0.108332,-0.007625,0.005662,-0.007651,0.025169,-0.039099,-0.051283,0.017611,-0.003512,-0.005955,0.034942,0.007473,0.01831,-0.005371,0.020167,-0.021865
East_Asia,0.0179358,-0.4475304,-0.0255814,-0.0668349,0.1065592,0.0490143,-0.0000225,-0.009453,-0.018874,-0.0112664,-0.0057132,-0.0015054,0.002091,-0.0025168,0.0046434,0.0045674,-0.0013828,0.0019049,0.0017147,-0.0131419,0.0078668,-0.0089962,0.0066902,-0.0039398,-0.0261768
Amerindian:North,0.050936,-0.3209075,0.1118165,0.084263,-0.1078665,-0.0189645,-0.238536,-0.2837765,-0.0093315,-0.0207295,0.001624,-0.002304,0.002304,0.0069155,-0.01062,0.002055,0.0026725,0.001251,0.007573,0.004 799,0.000499,-0.000124,0.0020335,0.0052115,0.0055385
Amerindian:South,0.0498545,-0.3086191,0.1193211,0.098838,-0.1121441,-0.0159245,-0.296842,-0.3508006,-0.0166276,-0.0195176,-0.0068365,-0.003057,0.0034041,0.015345,-0.0076954,0.0067354,0.0066365,0.0004435,0.0031049, 0.0014885,-0.0015221,0.010164,-0.0033645,-0.0026509,-0.002407
EHG,0.1214113,0.0367282,0.1274665,0.205752,-0.008976,0.0568005,-0.018096,-0.0244217,-0.0053177,-0.0844055,0.0164282,-0.0176843,0.0303268,-0.0413098,0.0210363,0.0258552,-0.0093878,0.001605,-0.0042318,0.0134647,-0.0069877,0.018383,0.010476,-0.0203042,-0.0088615
WHG,0.1217259,0.1127817,0.1865237,0.1891683,0.1538 045,0.0571565,0.0152825,0.0385039,0.0904169,0.0187 285,-0.0147729,-0.0166738,0.0177118,-0.0021626,0.0545599,0.0653287,0.0060349,0.0069716,-0.0118013,0.0553981,0.1006191,0.0130791,-0.047528,-0.1667605,0.0163408
Yamnaya,0.1232449,0.085248,0.0414414,0.1115078,-0.0243977,0.0460478,0.0008356,-0.0060894,-0.054733,-0.0706674,-0.0024808,-0.0000502,-0.0023869,-0.0251544,0.036886,0.015491,0.002021,-0.003653,-0.00676,0.009317,-0.0044924,0.000007,0.0097436,0.0233766,-0.0091474
CHG,0.0897375,0.1034448,-0.0887179,-0.004828,-0.0896232,0.0203761,0.0230693,-0.001228,-0.1292262,-0.079152,-0.0073943,0.0243343,-0.051575,0.0073309,0.026184,-0.0283824,0.0272264,-0.0105026,-0.0230644,0.0362976,0.0304498,-0.0068501,0.004943,-0.0208812,0.0016754
ANF,0.1205796,0.182879,0.0046507,-0.1007254,0.0553803,-0.0481473,-0.003243,-0.0059476,0.0417251,0.08825,0.0083913,0.0137577,-0.0241877,0.0027643,-0.0441575,-0.0149632,0.0187436,0.0020344,0.0126007,-0.0137085,-0.0145349,0.0058138,-0.0047895,-0.0018391,-0.0068301
Iran_N,0.0450478,0.0725128,-0.1507442,-0.0065076,-0.1148557,0.0178132,0.0139621,-0.0018905,-0.0756186,-0.0496011,-0.00099,-0.002099,0.00474,-0.0059417,0.0266246,0.0516964,-0.0069899,0.0050295,0.0132112,-0.0320451,0.0075763,-0.0249938,-0.0090666,-0.0350722,0.0195965
Natufian,0.020487,0.1310029,-0.0392208,-0.1414747,0.0270821,-0.0753,-0.0178612,-0.0258447,0.1026714,-0.0045558,0.030042,-0.020682,0.0695731,-0.0009632,0.0202222,0.0287714,-0.0126469,0.0088675,-0.0211176,0.0425198,-0.004243,-0.0025976,-0.0119545,-0.006386,0.011735
Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0812424,-0.0233816,-0.085918,0.026897,-0.0562244,-0.0688578,0.0189222,0.1556838,0.0023324,0.0228318,-0.0328806,0.0757278,-0.0494342,0.0694074,-0.035799,0.007719,-0.0649408,-0.1416618,0.0393438,-0.037908,-0.1254826,0.0707936,-0.0144358,0.0191596
Sub-Saharan_African:Southwestern_African,-0.6257428,0.0634707,0.021307,0.0155848,0.0039238,0 .0096915,0.0056988,0.001096,-0.023469,0.0098405,0.0056837,-0.003072,-0.0103318,0.001858,-0.0126558,0.0168058,-0.0075622,0.041839,-0.0199858,0.00247,-0.0024645,-0.0002163,0.003451,-0.0046992,0.0010178
Sub-Saharan_African:Central_African,-0.629442,0.064994,0.020742,0.00646,-0.013233,0.006414,-0.021621,0.014999,-0.033951,0.010023,0.004384,0.001349,-0.004311,-0.000826,-0.007872,0.010077,-0.010431,0.006841,0.005656,0,-0.006114,-0.004822,-0.004314,-0.00723,0.000239
Sub-Saharan_African:East_African,-0.517895,0.040621,-0.003017,-0.000646,-0.002154,-0.009761,0.057813,-0.049383,0.089172,-0.084375,-0.013803,-0.014987,-0.036571,-0.001651,0.02348,-0.030628,0.022817,0.041047,0.005279,-0.008629,0.00262,0.001855,-0.006039,0.001205,0.002515
Turns out I was wrong, after testing with this new model, the amount of SSA iberians have without Iberomaurusian is consistent with their Iberomaurusian percentage, which is also interesting, since NAs were supposed to pass SSA outside of the Iberomaurusian, which is the opposite of what we see.
If we see how much SSA ancient NAs had, which is consistently ~20% of their Iberomaurusian, Western Iberians should score ~ 0.8 - 1%, which is mostly not true and that's very interesting.
Besides that, it's also interesting that some portuguese in this forum, like vader, do score the correct amout of SSA for their Iberomaurusian.
celticdragongod
09-08-2024, 03:52 PM
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.14974267 Yamnaya
0.22212460 ANF
0.24086616 EHG
0.28217931 CHG
0.30459984 Natufian
0.32030281 Iran_N
0.34134287 WHG
0.48303001 Iberomaurusian
0.55859716 South_Asia
0.61924806 East_Asia
0.62387564 Amerindian:North
0.66684936 Oceania
0.67680087 Amerindian:South
0.68540691 Sub-Saharan_African:East_African
0.76991280 Sub-Saharan_African:Southwestern_African
0.77401625 Sub-Saharan_African:Central_African
Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.1926% / 0.05192619
51.2 Yamnaya
36.0 ANF
12.8 WHG
Eurafricanid
09-08-2024, 03:54 PM
Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 2.5539% / 0.02553931
53.4 ANF
31.8 Yamnaya
10.2 WHG
3.6 Natufian
1.0 Iran_N
tk'es
09-08-2024, 04:08 PM
Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 4.6365% / 0.04636526
37.2 CHG
27.8 Yamnaya
25.0 ANF
6.8 Natufian
2.8 East_Asia
0.4 Amerindian
Distance to: tk'es_scaled
0.15793229 CHG
0.16760700 Yamnaya
0.20733686 Iran_N
0.23175865 ANF
0.27224691 Natufian
0.30742796 EHG
0.45605559 WHG
0.46797471 Iberomaurusian
0.53133955 South_Asia
0.58143270 East_Asia
0.59933217 Amerindian:North
0.64374317 Oceania
0.65441715 Sub-Saharan_African:East_African
0.65520372 Amerindian:South
0.74304610 Sub-Saharan_African:Southwestern_African
0.74460550 Sub-Saharan_African:Central_African
noricum
09-08-2024, 04:16 PM
Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 5.4850% / 0.05485031
42.8 ANF
38.8 Yamnaya
10.0 WHG
8.4 EHG
Distance to: G25noricum_scaled
0.16398683 Yamnaya
0.20828992 ANF
0.25120843 EHG
0.28187141 CHG
0.29363204 Natufian
0.31218445 Iran_N
0.34676261 WHG
0.47912166 Iberomaurusian
0.55836005 South_Asia
0.62118516 East_Asia
0.62830554 Amerindian:North
0.66594178 Oceania
0.68090673 Amerindian:South
0.68200369 Sub-Saharan_African:East_African
0.76679634 Sub-Saharan_African:Southwestern_African
0.77094743 Sub-Saharan_African:Central_African
Beowulf
09-08-2024, 04:19 PM
Target: Beowulf_Merged_Scaled
Distance: 0.0214% / 0.02140163
49.9 ANF
37.0 Yamnaya
11.3 WHG
1.8 Iberomaurusian
Athalafuns
09-08-2024, 04:35 PM
Target: RNB27
Distance: 2.9502% / 0.02950209
50.0 ANF
34.8 Yamnaya
11.2 WHG
4.0 Iberomaurusian
EasternLusitanian
09-08-2024, 04:36 PM
Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0269% / 0.02685269
52.7 ANF
31.1 Yamnaya
8.7 WHG
6.9 Iberomaurusian
0.6 Natufian
gixajo
09-08-2024, 04:39 PM
Target: gixajo_scaled(MyHeritage)
Distance: 3.3096% / 0.03309641
53.8 ANF
30.8 Yamnaya
13.4 WHG
2.0 Iberomaurusian
Target: gixajo_scaled(23andMe)
Distance: 3.5103% / 0.03510252
52.2 ANF
32.2 Yamnaya
13.4 WHG
2.2 Iberomaurusian
Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.1499% / 0.03149903
57.2 ANF
29.2 Yamnaya
10.0 WHG
3.4 Iberomaurusian
0.2 Sub-Saharan_African
Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.4884% / 0.04488442
52.0 ANF
31.8 Yamnaya
14.4 WHG
1.8 Iberomaurusian
Target: gixajo_enana_scaled_
Distance: 3.8631% / 0.03863115
57.0 ANF
26.4 Yamnaya
16.2 WHG
0.4 Iberomaurusian
Eurafricanid
09-08-2024, 04:44 PM
Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0269% / 0.02685269
52.7 ANF
31.1 Yamnaya
8.7 WHG
6.9 Iberomaurusian
0.6 Natufian
You should have ~1.4% SSA with this Iberomaurusian percentage.
vader
09-08-2024, 04:45 PM
Target: Algarvio_scaled
Distance: 2.3709% / 0.02370869
52.6 ANF
30.6 Yamnaya
11.0 WHG
4.4 Iberomaurusian
1.2 Sub-Saharan_African
0.2 East_Asia
Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 1.9266% / 0.01926597
48.6 Amerindian
26.4 ANF
11.6 Yamnaya
4.4 WHG
3.6 Sub-Saharan_African
2.6 CHG
2.0 Iberomaurusian
0.8 South_Asia
Balboa
09-08-2024, 04:46 PM
Target: Balboa_paternal
Distance: 2.1803% / 0.02180332
58.2 ANF
25.6 Yamnaya
6.8 Iran_N
5.0 Natufian
4.0 CHG
0.4 WHG
Target: Balboa_maternal
Distance: 2.7373% / 0.02737276
81.2 ANF
10.2 WHG
7.8 Yamnaya
0.8 Iberomaurusian
Target: Balboa
Distance: 1.9420% / 0.01941968
72.6 ANF
14.4 Yamnaya
6.0 WHG
4.8 Iran_N
2.2 CHG
EasternLusitanian
09-08-2024, 04:50 PM
You should have ~1.4% SSA with this Iberomaurusian percentage.
Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0333% / 0.03326333
49.8 ANF
30.9 Yamnaya
9.2 WHG
8.8 Natufian
1.3 Sub-Saharan_African
Yep
Eurafricanid
09-08-2024, 04:50 PM
Target: Algarvio_scaled
Distance: 2.3709% / 0.02370869
52.6 ANF
30.6 Yamnaya
11.0 WHG
4.4 Iberomaurusian
1.2 Sub-Saharan_African
0.2 East_Asia
Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 1.9266% / 0.01926597
48.6 Amerindian
26.4 ANF
11.6 Yamnaya
4.4 WHG
3.6 Sub-Saharan_African
2.6 CHG
2.0 Iberomaurusian
0.8 South_Asia
You seem to have the correct amount of SSA according to your Iberomaurusian.
Gallop
09-08-2024, 05:00 PM
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.8423% / 0.03842277 | ADC: 0.5x RC
54.2 ANF
32.6 Yamnaya
13.2 WHG
alnortedelsur
09-08-2024, 05:01 PM
Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 3.4194% / 0.03419401
47.4 ANF
30.6 Yamnaya
6.4 WHG
6.0 Iberomaurusian
5.8 Amerindian
3.8 Sub-Saharan_African
vader
09-08-2024, 05:03 PM
You seem to have the correct amount of SSA according to your Iberomaurusian.
Yep I'm almost technically 3% ssa :thumb001:
Target: Algarvio_scaled
Distance: 2.7331% / 0.02733107
53.0 ANF
30.2 Yamnaya
11.2 WHG
2.8 Sub-Saharan_African
2.4 Natufian
0.4 East_Asia
Upsilander
09-08-2024, 06:35 PM
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 4.7131% / 0.04713067
44.8 Yamnaya
39.8 ANF
15.4 WHG
Distance to: Upsilander_Scaled
0.16448134 Yamnaya
0.20949474 ANF
0.25042025 EHG
0.28726492 CHG
0.30371041 Natufian
0.32719822 Iran_N
0.33471765 WHG
0.48991487 Iberomaurusian
0.57392420 South_Asia
0.62953900 East_Asia
0.63423075 Amerindian:North
0.67691122 Oceania
0.68618814 Amerindian:South
0.69715141 Sub-Saharan_African:East_African
0.78026949 Sub-Saharan_African:Southwestern_African
0.78461620 Sub-Saharan_African:Central_African
It looks reasonable
Target: cass
Distance: 5.0198% / 0.05019839
45.6 Yamnaya
35.2 ANF
14.4 WHG
4.8 EHG
Target: Polish_Kashubian:Kashubian3
Distance: 6.2866% / 0.06286605
47.8 Yamnaya
32.8 ANF
14.8 WHG
4.6 EHG
Target: Polish_Kashubian:Kashubian2
Distance: 7.3390% / 0.07339005
45.8 Yamnaya
34.4 ANF
14.0 WHG
5.8 EHG
Target: German_West_Prussia
Distance: 4.6552% / 0.04655187
42.4 Yamnaya
34.8 ANF
13.0 WHG
9.8 EHG
Target: German_West_Prussia2
Distance: 5.5895% / 0.05589535
47.0 Yamnaya
33.8 ANF
16.0 WHG
3.2 EHG
Target: German_East_Prussia_Memelland
Distance: 8.3323% / 0.08332294
41.0 Yamnaya
31.2 ANF
17.4 WHG
10.4 EHG
Target: German_East
Distance: 4.1870% / 0.04187007
47.2 Yamnaya
35.0 ANF
14.6 WHG
3.2 EHG
Target: Swedish
Distance: 4.3381% / 0.04338122
48.0 Yamnaya
32.6 ANF
15.0 WHG
4.4 EHG
Tacitus
09-08-2024, 07:37 PM
Target: Tacitus_G25sim
Distance: 2.9862% / 0.02986232
50.4 ANF
22.8 Yamnaya
12.2 Natufian
7.8 CHG
4.8 Iran_N
2.0 WHG
Russki
09-08-2024, 08:29 PM
Target: Russki_scaled
Distance: 6.1561% / 0.06156139
34.2 ANF
31.4 Yamnaya
22.0 EHG
12.4 WHG
Target: Sylvanas_scaled
Distance: 4.9261% / 0.04926070
45.6 ANF
35.0 Yamnaya
13.4 EHG
5.8 WHG
0.2 East_Asia
Eurafricanid
09-08-2024, 08:31 PM
Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0333% / 0.03326333
49.8 ANF
30.9 Yamnaya
9.2 WHG
8.8 Natufian
1.3 Sub-Saharan_African
Yep
No, I meant with the Iberomaurusian. Without the Iberomaurusian, it should be the 1.4 + this hidden 1.3, so you sould be 2.7 now, according to the SSA present in NAs.
Eurafricanid
09-08-2024, 08:34 PM
Yep I'm almost technically 3% ssa :thumb001:
Target: Algarvio_scaled
Distance: 2.7331% / 0.02733107
53.0 ANF
30.2 Yamnaya
11.2 WHG
2.8 Sub-Saharan_African
2.4 Natufian
0.4 East_Asia
Yes, I don't know if that's clear, but I was talking about the SSA ouside of the one already in Iberomaurusian, as it's present in NAs:
Target: Tunisia_Punic_oAfrica1.SG
Distance: 2.9417% / 0.02941749
41.4 ANF
40.6 Iberomaurusian
7.8 Sub-Saharan_African = 19.2% of 40.6, aka the Iberomaurusian
5.2 Natufian
4.2 WHG
0.8 Yamnaya
Target: CanaryIslands_Guanche.SG
Distance: 2.2966% / 0.02296592
41.2 ANF
34.2 Iberomaurusian
9.6 Yamnaya
6.6 Sub-Saharan_African = 19.3% of 34.2, aka the Iberomaurusian
6.4 Natufian
1.4 WHG
0.6 CHG
That SSA is tied to Iberomaurusian, but it's not inside of it, the extra Natufian isn't counted, as it's not consistant.
Eurafricanid
09-08-2024, 08:39 PM
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.8423% / 0.03842277 | ADC: 0.5x RC
54.2 ANF
32.6 Yamnaya
13.2 WHG
:picard2::picard2::joker000::....
EasternLusitanian
09-08-2024, 08:47 PM
No, I meant with the Iberomaurusian. Without the Iberomaurusian, it should be the 1.4 + this hidden 1.3, so you sould be 2.7 now, according to the SSA present in NAs.
I think that 1.3 isnt really that much just because i removed the Iberomaurusian and it has to complement from somewhere (im not an experto though, so crrect if im wrong). Either way, it feels like a 2.5-3% SSA related DNA in iberians is too much, are there any studies about it?
unmoggable
09-08-2024, 09:01 PM
Target: unmoggable
Distance: 3.6648% / 0.03664838
50.2 Yamnaya
38.0 ANF
11.8 WHG
0.14938477 Yamnaya
0.21221892 ANF
0.24763898 EHG
0.27023844 CHG
0.29197419 Natufian
0.30736035 Iran_N
0.34482161 WHG
0.47632559 Iberomaurusian
0.55767817 South_Asia
0.61561853 East_Asia
0.62168736 Amerindian:North
0.66214109 Oceania
0.67427480 Amerindian:South
0.67870084 Sub-Saharan_African:East_African
0.76320952 Sub-Saharan_African:Southwestern_African
0.76746277 Sub-Saharan_African:Central_African
R1b-L51
09-08-2024, 09:16 PM
New Standard Model Scaled
It's for West Eurasians
Components:
ADD DIST COL - NO, REDUCE - NO
v
Oceania,-0.0435375,-0.2376338,-0.2175042,0.2371638,0.154644,-0.358793,-0.0001178,0.0070382,-0.0153902,-0.0035538,-0.005156,0.001199,0.001301,-0.0031655,-0.0047502,-0.0013592,0.007856,0.0008552,-0.0013198,0.0021882,0.003712,0.00068,-0.003882,-0.001958,-0.0034125
South_Asia,0.007449,-0.231104,-0.231375,0.194341,-0.046555,0.082346,-0.00629,0.029412,0.149897,0.108332,-0.007625,0.005662,-0.007651,0.025169,-0.039099,-0.051283,0.017611,-0.003512,-0.005955,0.034942,0.007473,0.01831,-0.005371,0.020167,-0.021865
East_Asia,0.0179358,-0.4475304,-0.0255814,-0.0668349,0.1065592,0.0490143,-0.0000225,-0.009453,-0.018874,-0.0112664,-0.0057132,-0.0015054,0.002091,-0.0025168,0.0046434,0.0045674,-0.0013828,0.0019049,0.0017147,-0.0131419,0.0078668,-0.0089962,0.0066902,-0.0039398,-0.0261768
Amerindian:North,0.050936,-0.3209075,0.1118165,0.084263,-0.1078665,-0.0189645,-0.238536,-0.2837765,-0.0093315,-0.0207295,0.001624,-0.002304,0.002304,0.0069155,-0.01062,0.002055,0.0026725,0.001251,0.007573,0.004 799,0.000499,-0.000124,0.0020335,0.0052115,0.0055385
Amerindian:South,0.0498545,-0.3086191,0.1193211,0.098838,-0.1121441,-0.0159245,-0.296842,-0.3508006,-0.0166276,-0.0195176,-0.0068365,-0.003057,0.0034041,0.015345,-0.0076954,0.0067354,0.0066365,0.0004435,0.0031049, 0.0014885,-0.0015221,0.010164,-0.0033645,-0.0026509,-0.002407
EHG,0.1214113,0.0367282,0.1274665,0.205752,-0.008976,0.0568005,-0.018096,-0.0244217,-0.0053177,-0.0844055,0.0164282,-0.0176843,0.0303268,-0.0413098,0.0210363,0.0258552,-0.0093878,0.001605,-0.0042318,0.0134647,-0.0069877,0.018383,0.010476,-0.0203042,-0.0088615
WHG,0.1217259,0.1127817,0.1865237,0.1891683,0.1538 045,0.0571565,0.0152825,0.0385039,0.0904169,0.0187 285,-0.0147729,-0.0166738,0.0177118,-0.0021626,0.0545599,0.0653287,0.0060349,0.0069716,-0.0118013,0.0553981,0.1006191,0.0130791,-0.047528,-0.1667605,0.0163408
Yamnaya,0.1232449,0.085248,0.0414414,0.1115078,-0.0243977,0.0460478,0.0008356,-0.0060894,-0.054733,-0.0706674,-0.0024808,-0.0000502,-0.0023869,-0.0251544,0.036886,0.015491,0.002021,-0.003653,-0.00676,0.009317,-0.0044924,0.000007,0.0097436,0.0233766,-0.0091474
CHG,0.0897375,0.1034448,-0.0887179,-0.004828,-0.0896232,0.0203761,0.0230693,-0.001228,-0.1292262,-0.079152,-0.0073943,0.0243343,-0.051575,0.0073309,0.026184,-0.0283824,0.0272264,-0.0105026,-0.0230644,0.0362976,0.0304498,-0.0068501,0.004943,-0.0208812,0.0016754
ANF,0.1205796,0.182879,0.0046507,-0.1007254,0.0553803,-0.0481473,-0.003243,-0.0059476,0.0417251,0.08825,0.0083913,0.0137577,-0.0241877,0.0027643,-0.0441575,-0.0149632,0.0187436,0.0020344,0.0126007,-0.0137085,-0.0145349,0.0058138,-0.0047895,-0.0018391,-0.0068301
Iran_N,0.0450478,0.0725128,-0.1507442,-0.0065076,-0.1148557,0.0178132,0.0139621,-0.0018905,-0.0756186,-0.0496011,-0.00099,-0.002099,0.00474,-0.0059417,0.0266246,0.0516964,-0.0069899,0.0050295,0.0132112,-0.0320451,0.0075763,-0.0249938,-0.0090666,-0.0350722,0.0195965
Natufian,0.020487,0.1310029,-0.0392208,-0.1414747,0.0270821,-0.0753,-0.0178612,-0.0258447,0.1026714,-0.0045558,0.030042,-0.020682,0.0695731,-0.0009632,0.0202222,0.0287714,-0.0126469,0.0088675,-0.0211176,0.0425198,-0.004243,-0.0025976,-0.0119545,-0.006386,0.011735
Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0812424,-0.0233816,-0.085918,0.026897,-0.0562244,-0.0688578,0.0189222,0.1556838,0.0023324,0.0228318,-0.0328806,0.0757278,-0.0494342,0.0694074,-0.035799,0.007719,-0.0649408,-0.1416618,0.0393438,-0.037908,-0.1254826,0.0707936,-0.0144358,0.0191596
Sub-Saharan_African:Southwestern_African,-0.6257428,0.0634707,0.021307,0.0155848,0.0039238,0 .0096915,0.0056988,0.001096,-0.023469,0.0098405,0.0056837,-0.003072,-0.0103318,0.001858,-0.0126558,0.0168058,-0.0075622,0.041839,-0.0199858,0.00247,-0.0024645,-0.0002163,0.003451,-0.0046992,0.0010178
Sub-Saharan_African:Central_African,-0.629442,0.064994,0.020742,0.00646,-0.013233,0.006414,-0.021621,0.014999,-0.033951,0.010023,0.004384,0.001349,-0.004311,-0.000826,-0.007872,0.010077,-0.010431,0.006841,0.005656,0,-0.006114,-0.004822,-0.004314,-0.00723,0.000239
Sub-Saharan_African:East_African,-0.517895,0.040621,-0.003017,-0.000646,-0.002154,-0.009761,0.057813,-0.049383,0.089172,-0.084375,-0.013803,-0.014987,-0.036571,-0.001651,0.02348,-0.030628,0.022817,0.041047,0.005279,-0.008629,0.00262,0.001855,-0.006039,0.001205,0.002515
Turns out I was wrong, after testing with this new model, the amount of SSA iberians have without Iberomaurusian is consistent with their Iberomaurusian percentage, which is also interesting, since NAs were supposed to pass SSA outside of the Iberomaurusian, which is the opposite of what we see.
If we see how much SSA ancient NAs had, which is consistently ~20% of their Iberomaurusian, Western Iberians should score ~ 0.8 - 1%, which is mostly not true and that's very interesting.
Besides that, it's also interesting that some portuguese in this forum, like vader, do score the correct amout of SSA for their Iberomaurusian.
Many times the coordinates that I paste into the sources give errors due to spacing, I don't know how to solve that.
Eurafricanid
09-09-2024, 12:22 PM
Many times the coordinates that I paste into the sources give errors due to spacing, I don't know how to solve that.
I don't know how to help you, when I copy it just works too right away.
Eurafricanid
09-09-2024, 12:28 PM
I think that 1.3 isnt really that much just because i removed the Iberomaurusian and it has to complement from somewhere (im not an experto though, so crrect if im wrong). Either way, it feels like a 2.5-3% SSA related DNA in iberians is too much, are there any studies about it?
Bro :picard1:, that's how much SSA you should have when you look at North Africans, look at this post, also, vader does have the correct amount of SSA according to his Iberomaurusian:
Yes, I don't know if that's clear, but I was talking about the SSA ouside of the one already in Iberomaurusian, as it's present in NAs:
Target: Tunisia_Punic_oAfrica1.SG
Distance: 2.9417% / 0.02941749
41.4 ANF
40.6 Iberomaurusian
7.8 Sub-Saharan_African = 19.2% of 40.6, aka the Iberomaurusian
5.2 Natufian
4.2 WHG
0.8 Yamnaya
Target: CanaryIslands_Guanche.SG
Distance: 2.2966% / 0.02296592
41.2 ANF
34.2 Iberomaurusian
9.6 Yamnaya
6.6 Sub-Saharan_African = 19.3% of 34.2, aka the Iberomaurusian
6.4 Natufian
1.4 WHG
0.6 CHG
That SSA is tied to Iberomaurusian, but it's not inside of it, the extra Natufian isn't counted, as it's not consistant.
ScandinavianCelt
09-09-2024, 12:34 PM
Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 3.7279% / 0.03727858
53.2 Yamnaya
34.4 ANF
12.4 WHG
ScandinavianCelt
09-09-2024, 12:38 PM
Target: Russki_scaled
Distance: 6.1561% / 0.06156139
34.2 ANF
31.4 Yamnaya
22.0 EHG
12.4 WHG
We are almost identical IF that EHG had gone to Yamnaya for you, but I guess they left your area and other EHG took their place? Strange our ANF and WHG total is just .2% different in total, right?
Beowulf
09-09-2024, 01:27 PM
Mother:
Target: Mama_Scaled
Distance: 0.0231% / 0.02307407
46.3 ANF
40.2 Yamnaya
13.4 WHG
0.1 Iberomaurusian
Father:
Target: Papa_Scaled
Distance: 0.0281% / 0.02806518
50.7 ANF
35.5 Yamnaya
8.8 WHG
5.0 Iberomaurisian
maternal grandma:
Target: Abuela_Scaled
Distance: 0.0231% / 0.02310016
48.0 ANF
38.5 Yamnaya
12.0 WHG
1.5 Iberomaurusian
maternal grandpa:
Target: Abuelo_Scaled
Distance: 0.0273% / 0.02734473
43.7 ANF
41.5 Yamnaya
14.8 WHG
Paternal grandpa:
Target: Abuelo_Bartolome_Scaled
Distance: 0.0231% / 0.02306055
51.9 ANF
35.0 Yamnaya
10.1 WHG
2.6 Iberomaurusian
0.3 East_Asia
0.1 Sub-Saharan_African
paternal grandma:
Target: Abuela_Josefina_Scaled
Distance: 0.0238% / 0.02379845
55.1 ANF
32.2 Yamnaya
8.4 WHG
4.1 Iberomaurusian
0.2 Natufian
Great Grandma:
Target: Bisabuela_Cristobalina_Scaled
Distance: 0.0243% / 0.02426242
55.2 ANF
32.8 Yamnaya
8.3 WHG
3.7 Iberomaurusian
R1b-L51
09-09-2024, 03:24 PM
Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 3.4194% / 0.03419401
47.4 ANF
30.6 Yamnaya
6.4 WHG
6.0 Iberomaurusian
5.8 Amerindian
3.8 Sub-Saharan_African
Very interesting, this shows that the Italics, Romans and Etruscans are more yamnaya proto-Celtics than the Iberians, the yamnaya component increases, while the WGH decreases. Surely the Iberian WGH is from the Dinariid haplogroups Ia2, and some ancestral I from those left in the ice age.
R1b-L51
09-09-2024, 03:25 PM
Target: Russki_scaled
Distance: 6.1561% / 0.06156139
34.2 ANF
31.4 Yamnaya
22.0 EHG
12.4 WHG
Target: Sylvanas_scaled
Distance: 4.9261% / 0.04926070
45.6 ANF
35.0 Yamnaya
13.4 EHG
5.8 WHG
0.2 East_Asia
True Norgodov County ax corded against the invading Mongols.
Athalafuns
09-09-2024, 03:28 PM
Mother:
Target: Mama_Scaled
Distance: 0.0231% / 0.02307407
46.3 ANF
40.2 Yamnaya
13.4 WHG
0.1 Iberomaurusian
Father:
Target: Papa_Scaled
Distance: 0.0281% / 0.02806518
50.7 ANF
35.5 Yamnaya
8.8 WHG
5.0 Iberomaurisian
maternal grandma:
Target: Abuela_Scaled
Distance: 0.0231% / 0.02310016
48.0 ANF
38.5 Yamnaya
12.0 WHG
1.5 Iberomaurusian
maternal grandpa:
Target: Abuelo_Scaled
Distance: 0.0273% / 0.02734473
43.7 ANF
41.5 Yamnaya
14.8 WHG
Paternal grandpa:
Target: Abuelo_Bartolome_Scaled
Distance: 0.0231% / 0.02306055
51.9 ANF
35.0 Yamnaya
10.1 WHG
2.6 Iberomaurusian
0.3 East_Asia
0.1 Sub-Saharan_African
paternal grandma:
Target: Abuela_Josefina_Scaled
Distance: 0.0238% / 0.02379845
55.1 ANF
32.2 Yamnaya
8.4 WHG
4.1 Iberomaurusian
0.2 Natufian
Great Grandma:
Target: Bisabuela_Cristobalina_Scaled
Distance: 0.0243% / 0.02426242
55.2 ANF
32.8 Yamnaya
8.3 WHG
3.7 Iberomaurusian
What is your ancestry in your paternal family?
Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
09-09-2024, 03:29 PM
Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 3.7456% / 0.03745597
52.8 ANF
31.8 Yamnaya
9.8 WHG
5.6 Iberomaurusian
R1b-L51
09-09-2024, 03:29 PM
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 4.7131% / 0.04713067
44.8 Yamnaya
39.8 ANF
15.4 WHG
Distance to: Upsilander_Scaled
0.16448134 Yamnaya
0.20949474 ANF
0.25042025 EHG
0.28726492 CHG
0.30371041 Natufian
0.32719822 Iran_N
0.33471765 WHG
0.48991487 Iberomaurusian
0.57392420 South_Asia
0.62953900 East_Asia
0.63423075 Amerindian:North
0.67691122 Oceania
0.68618814 Amerindian:South
0.69715141 Sub-Saharan_African:East_African
0.78026949 Sub-Saharan_African:Southwestern_African
0.78461620 Sub-Saharan_African:Central_African
Why don't you have EHG?
R1b-L51
09-09-2024, 03:32 PM
Mother:
Target: Mama_Scaled
Distance: 0.0231% / 0.02307407
46.3 ANF
40.2 Yamnaya
13.4 WHG
0.1 Iberomaurusian
Father:
Target: Papa_Scaled
Distance: 0.0281% / 0.02806518
50.7 ANF
35.5 Yamnaya
8.8 WHG
5.0 Iberomaurisian
maternal grandma:
Target: Abuela_Scaled
Distance: 0.0231% / 0.02310016
48.0 ANF
38.5 Yamnaya
12.0 WHG
1.5 Iberomaurusian
maternal grandpa:
Target: Abuelo_Scaled
Distance: 0.0273% / 0.02734473
43.7 ANF
41.5 Yamnaya
14.8 WHG
Paternal grandpa:
Target: Abuelo_Bartolome_Scaled
Distance: 0.0231% / 0.02306055
51.9 ANF
35.0 Yamnaya
10.1 WHG
2.6 Iberomaurusian
0.3 East_Asia
0.1 Sub-Saharan_African
paternal grandma:
Target: Abuela_Josefina_Scaled
Distance: 0.0238% / 0.02379845
55.1 ANF
32.2 Yamnaya
8.4 WHG
4.1 Iberomaurusian
0.2 Natufian
Great Grandma:
Target: Bisabuela_Cristobalina_Scaled
Distance: 0.0243% / 0.02426242
55.2 ANF
32.8 Yamnaya
8.3 WHG
3.7 Iberomaurusian
curious great yamnaya component in the islands... do you come from Genoese?
Beowulf
09-09-2024, 03:34 PM
What is your ancestry in your paternal family?
My paternal grandpa was mostly iberian, Andalusian, Aragonese and 1/8 French
My paternal grandma is Andalusian, and 1/4 Northern Italian
And my great grandma half andalusian and half northern italian.
Eurafricanid
09-09-2024, 03:35 PM
Very interesting, this shows that the Italics, Romans and Etruscans are more yamnaya proto-Celtics than the Iberians, the yamnaya component increases, while the WGH decreases. Surely the Iberian WGH is from the Dinariid haplogroups Ia2, and some ancestral I from those left in the ice age.
Do you mean they're more Yamnaya than Hispano-Celts or modern Iberians?
R1b-L51
09-09-2024, 03:43 PM
Distance to: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
0.15665644 ANF
0.20647668 Yamnaya
0.24282724 Natufian
0.27718399 CHG
0.30075715 Iran_N
0.30171556 EHG
0.36538336 WHG
0.43223331 Iberomaurusian
0.55148320 South_Asia
0.61058167 East_Asia
0.62953323 Amerindian:North
0.65121064 Sub-Saharan_African:East_African
0.65175677 Oceania
0.68233934 Amerindian:South
0.73544786 Sub-Saharan_African:Southwestern_African
0.73957340 Sub-Saharan_African:Central_African
Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 3.3005% / 0.03300496
51.4 ANF
31.6 Yamnaya
10.8 WHG
5.6 Iberomaurusian
0.6 Sub-Saharan_African
I have been studying all the cases a lot, I can only say that the Iberian population is terribly homogeneous. We are by far the most percentually equal population of all.
The only small difference I see is that the Aragonese-Catalans could have their WHG rise a little more due to the Dinaric Ia2 haplogroup of the Pyrenees.
While for the West-Lusitanians (Via de la Plata route), we can go down the WGH a little and go up the Iberomauriciano, which is another type of CM from Africa.
That is, the Spaniards from the east are a little more Dinaric, and the Spaniards from the west are a little more Berber. After all, first cousins
Athalafuns
09-09-2024, 03:44 PM
My paternal grandpa was mostly iberian, Andalusian, Aragonese and 1/8 French
My paternal grandma is Andalusian, and 1/4 Northern Italian
And my great grandma half andalusian and half northern italian.
Interesting, your father and I have very similar percentages. What is his closest G25 modern average population?
R1b-L51
09-09-2024, 03:56 PM
Do you mean they're more Yamnaya than Hispano-Celts or modern Iberians?
Yes, according to what I have seen in this forum and studied in Eupedia yes, and I am saying yamnaya that they are proto-Celts, not Celts like those of northern Spain, it may be that the Celts of the Iron Age of Spain had more of a Nordic component, but no more yamnaya component.
Beowulf
09-09-2024, 04:18 PM
Interesting, your father and I have very similar percentages. What is his closest G25 modern average population?
<tbody>
Distance to:
Papa_Scaled
0.01476096
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.01609954
Portuguese
0.01759516
Spanish_Galicia
0.01847266
Spanish_Andalucia
0.01869761
Spanish_Eivissa
0.02138405
Spanish_Menorca
0.02151454
Spanish_Extremadura
0.02212851
Spanish_Alacant
0.02245903
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02266212
Spanish_Mallorca
</tbody>
Athalafuns
09-09-2024, 04:32 PM
<tbody>
Distance to:
Papa_Scaled
0.01476096
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.01609954
Portuguese
0.01759516
Spanish_Galicia
0.01847266
Spanish_Andalucia
0.01869761
Spanish_Eivissa
0.02138405
Spanish_Menorca
0.02151454
Spanish_Extremadura
0.02212851
Spanish_Alacant
0.02245903
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02266212
Spanish_Mallorca
</tbody>
Thank you! And unscaled, if possible?
Beowulf
09-09-2024, 04:34 PM
Thank you! And unscaled, if possible?
Of course!
<tbody>
Distance to:
Papa_Unscaled
0.00868280
Spanish_Eivissa
0.00869141
Spanish_Mallorca
0.00930336
French_Provence
0.00934851
French_Auvergne
0.00968717
Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.00983117
Portuguese
0.00983679
French_Occitanie
0.01035846
Spanish_Penedes
0.01039122
Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.01056152
Spanish_Galicia
</tbody>
R1b-L51
09-09-2024, 04:51 PM
Do you mean they're more Yamnaya than Hispano-Celts or modern Iberians?
Yes, more than both.
133023
It would be a different matter if we talk about the culture of Celtic urns, with strong Nordic components (and part of R1a)
133024
By the way, could you tell me what percentage of Sassarids (SSA) I have?
Yes, more than both.
133023
It would be a different matter if we talk about the culture of Celtic urns, with strong Nordic components (and part of R1a)
133024
By the way, could you tell me what percentage of Sassarids (SSA) I have?
:picard2:
https://i.ibb.co/pxt29Tx/Zrzut-ekranu-9-9-2024-19128-www-cambridge-org.jpg (https://ibb.co/wR9yxqR)
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/0FD97B6889E464EC9AE9D4287BDB22F8/S0033822200056125a.pdf/chronology-and-bell-beaker-common-ware.pdf
Eurafricanid
09-09-2024, 05:36 PM
Yes, according to what I have seen in this forum and studied in Eupedia yes, and I am saying yamnaya that they are proto-Celts, not Celts like those of northern Spain, it may be that the Celts of the Iron Age of Spain had more of a Nordic component, but no more yamnaya component.
That is not true.
Target: Italy_Tuscany_Siena_Etruscan
Distance: 2.4482% / 0.02448208
60.4 ANF
27.8 Yamnaya
11.8 WHG
Target: Italy_Tuscany_Pisa_Etruscan
Distance: 2.1138% / 0.02113778
61.6 ANF
26.6 Yamnaya
11.8 WHG
Target: Italy_Tuscany_Grosseto_Etruscan
Distance: 1.9441% / 0.01944061
62.6 ANF
26.4 Yamnaya
11.0 WHG
Target: Italy_Lazio_Viterbo_Etruscan
Distance: 2.2597% / 0.02259736
65.0 ANF
25.6 Yamnaya
9.0 WHG
0.4 Iberomaurusian
Target: Italy_IA_Republic.SG
Distance: 2.3206% / 0.02320619
61.8 ANF
27.6 Yamnaya
10.6 WHG
I asked about Hispano-Celts, because they overlap with them in Yamnaya only, but modern Iberians are definitely more Yamnaya than Etruscans and Italics.
Target: Portuguese
Distance: 2.6266% / 0.02626592
52.8 ANF
31.6 Yamnaya
10.2 WHG
5.4 Iberomaurusian
This is Hispano-Celts without EHG:
Target: Spain_IA_Celt
Distance: 4.1190% / 0.04119033
53.0 ANF
27.8 Yamnaya
19.2 WHG
And this is with EHG:
Target: Spain_IA_Celt
Distance: 4.1146% / 0.04114569
53.4 ANF
26.2 Yamnaya
18.6 WHG
1.8 EHG
I showed both because it wouldn't make sense for them to be scoring EHG and it's most likely some WHG and Yamnaya hybridization.
R1b-L51
09-09-2024, 11:32 PM
That is not true.
Target: Italy_Tuscany_Siena_Etruscan
Distance: 2.4482% / 0.02448208
60.4 ANF
27.8 Yamnaya
11.8 WHG
Target: Italy_Tuscany_Pisa_Etruscan
Distance: 2.1138% / 0.02113778
61.6 ANF
26.6 Yamnaya
11.8 WHG
Target: Italy_Tuscany_Grosseto_Etruscan
Distance: 1.9441% / 0.01944061
62.6 ANF
26.4 Yamnaya
11.0 WHG
Target: Italy_Lazio_Viterbo_Etruscan
Distance: 2.2597% / 0.02259736
65.0 ANF
25.6 Yamnaya
9.0 WHG
0.4 Iberomaurusian
Target: Italy_IA_Republic.SG
Distance: 2.3206% / 0.02320619
61.8 ANF
27.6 Yamnaya
10.6 WHG
I asked about Hispano-Celts, because they overlap with them in Yamnaya only, but modern Iberians are definitely more Yamnaya than Etruscans and Italics.
Target: Portuguese
Distance: 2.6266% / 0.02626592
52.8 ANF
31.6 Yamnaya
10.2 WHG
5.4 Iberomaurusian
This is Hispano-Celts without EHG:
Target: Spain_IA_Celt
Distance: 4.1190% / 0.04119033
53.0 ANF
27.8 Yamnaya
19.2 WHG
And this is with EHG:
Target: Spain_IA_Celt
Distance: 4.1146% / 0.04114569
53.4 ANF
26.2 Yamnaya
18.6 WHG
1.8 EHG
I showed both because it wouldn't make sense for them to be scoring EHG and it's most likely some WHG and Yamnaya hybridization.
Conclusion that I have missed?? The Electronic Head Gatherers why?:bleedingeyes:
Now seriously, why are we more yamnaya than before?:eusa_eh:
So our friends from the calzzone amatriciana will have been over the moon with Longobarda's yamnaya contribution in the Middle Ages??
R1b-L51
09-09-2024, 11:59 PM
That is not true.
Target: Italy_Tuscany_Siena_Etruscan
Distance: 2.4482% / 0.02448208
60.4 ANF
27.8 Yamnaya
11.8 WHG
Target: Italy_Tuscany_Pisa_Etruscan
Distance: 2.1138% / 0.02113778
61.6 ANF
26.6 Yamnaya
11.8 WHG
Target: Italy_Tuscany_Grosseto_Etruscan
Distance: 1.9441% / 0.01944061
62.6 ANF
26.4 Yamnaya
11.0 WHG
Target: Italy_Lazio_Viterbo_Etruscan
Distance: 2.2597% / 0.02259736
65.0 ANF
25.6 Yamnaya
9.0 WHG
0.4 Iberomaurusian
Target: Italy_IA_Republic.SG
Distance: 2.3206% / 0.02320619
61.8 ANF
27.6 Yamnaya
10.6 WHG
I asked about Hispano-Celts, because they overlap with them in Yamnaya only, but modern Iberians are definitely more Yamnaya than Etruscans and Italics.
Target: Portuguese
Distance: 2.6266% / 0.02626592
52.8 ANF
31.6 Yamnaya
10.2 WHG
5.4 Iberomaurusian
This is Hispano-Celts without EHG:
Target: Spain_IA_Celt
Distance: 4.1190% / 0.04119033
53.0 ANF
27.8 Yamnaya
19.2 WHG
And this is with EHG:
Target: Spain_IA_Celt
Distance: 4.1146% / 0.04114569
53.4 ANF
26.2 Yamnaya
18.6 WHG
1.8 EHG
I showed both because it wouldn't make sense for them to be scoring EHG and it's most likely some WHG and Yamnaya hybridization.
Of course, the Celtiberians of the Gladius hispaliensis were authentic brown beasts that surprised the Romans.
And now we start with the theories
So let's say we've lost our WHG going through the bars of Seville? And that's why right now we are more Berber Khabyle than before and less WGH?
That would make sense, but why the hell are we at the same time more yamnaya than before?
Pater Patota
09-10-2024, 08:29 AM
Target: PP_scaled
Distance: 2.2538% / 0.02253831
35.2 ANF
19.8 CHG
19.8 Iran_N
16.6 Yamnaya
6.2 Natufian
2.4 East_Asia
Athalafuns
09-10-2024, 09:48 AM
Now seriously, why are we more yamnaya than before?
That's a good question. Our last major genetic change was during the medieval repopulation. Many French came to settle here, and in the following centuries the presence of Flemish and Irish refugees was not unusual. I suppose all this slightly increased the Steppe component in some way.
Eurafricanid
09-10-2024, 05:08 PM
Of course, the Celtiberians of the Gladius hispaliensis were authentic brown beasts that surprised the Romans.
And now we start with the theories
So let's say we've lost our WHG going through the bars of Seville? And that's why right now we are more Berber Khabyle than before and less WGH?
That would make sense, but why the hell are we at the same time more yamnaya than before?
(Non-hispano) Celts were less WHG than Iberians, because Iberians were very WHG, since forever, basically.
Target: Spain_BA.SG
Distance: 4.3531% / 0.04353057
60.8 ANF
19.6 WHG
18.6 Yamnaya
1.0 Iberomaurusian
Target: Austria_IA_LaTene
Distance: 3.0702% / 0.03070202
54.0 ANF
35.0 Yamnaya
11.0 WHG
We still have remnants of that WHG in today's basques and also because Iberians have the most WHG of all southern Europe.
R1b-L51
09-10-2024, 08:13 PM
(Non-hispano) Celts were less WHG than Iberians, because Iberians were very WHG, since forever, basically.
Target: Spain_BA.SG
Distance: 4.3531% / 0.04353057
60.8 ANF
19.6 WHG
18.6 Yamnaya
1.0 Iberomaurusian
Target: Austria_IA_LaTene
Distance: 3.0702% / 0.03070202
54.0 ANF
35.0 Yamnaya
11.0 WHG
We still have remnants of that WHG in today's basques and also because Iberians have the most WHG of all southern Europe.
Well now I understand why the Celts were cornered by the Iberians in the center of the peninsula, something that only happened in the Iberian Peninsula unlike the rest of Europe (Celtiberians, although the name says it, they also mixed).
It's something I've always wondered about.
Now I also understand why the Romans managed to take Gaul in about 6 years, Germany in about 5, but nevertheless it took them 200 years to conquer the Iberians.
The question I have and that we still cannot answer (and that would even serve as a thread), is where the hell does that Iberian WGH component come from, from the Anatolians??
R1b-L51
09-10-2024, 08:23 PM
That's a good question. Our last major genetic change was during the medieval repopulation. Many French came to settle here, and in the following centuries the presence of Flemish and Irish refugees was not unusual. I suppose all this slightly increased the Steppe component in some way.
Furthermore, if we are talking about the Middle Ages, we must not forget its first part (which we usually forget), and it is all that during which the Suebi, Andals, Alans and Visigoths created their own kingdoms in what remained of the Roman Empire in Hispania. , and then fundamentally we also forget the almost 200 years of Visigothic empire unifying all these Germanic tribes under its rule.
Of course later and during the process of reconquest and repopulation of the liberated towns, we filled Spain with French (mainly from the south), Flemish, and also Germans from the Holy Empire.
Of course we have no other explanation, we will have to assume that in the same way that the Berbers of the Omeyyan caliphate changed in a small proportion the high percentage of WHG for HG of Iberomaurisans, it also makes sense that the other part of WGH that we have lost is due having changed it for the yamnana of the Central European settlers during the repopulation process after the expulsion of the Moors.
If you look closely, Hispania always ends up being the spiritual and ethnic reservoir of Europeans. First with the WGH during the ice age, later with the Celts of La Tene, finally with the Goths, and then with the Umayyads. Who will be next? The rest of the Europeans who flee Islam?
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Upsilander
09-12-2024, 08:26 AM
Why don't you have EHG?
Because it's all in the Yamnaya already. Also contrary to what my Pole friend believes i have no ancestry east of Frankfurt, so no extra EHG here :p
Ekjee
09-12-2024, 08:36 AM
Because it's all in the Yamnaya already. Also contrary to what my Pole friend believes i have no ancestry east of Frankfurt, so no extra EHG here :p
Can you check this post out? Does the woman look asian?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?388118-Classify-and-pass(not-guess)
Upsilander
09-12-2024, 08:39 AM
Can you check this post out? Does the woman look asian?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?388118-Classify-and-pass(not-guess)
What do i see? A little Ekjee outside of the taxonomy sub-forum! When do you join us to party in here? :D
R1b-L51
09-12-2024, 04:33 PM
Because it's all in the Yamnaya already. Also contrary to what my Pole friend believes i have no ancestry east of Frankfurt, so no extra EHG here :p
You mean that the Electronic Hunter Gatherer of Berghain has been divided between Yamnaya and WHG...(I think)
Upsilander
09-12-2024, 10:34 PM
You mean that the Electronic Hunter Gatherer of Berghain has been divided between Yamnaya and WHG...(I think)
Just that you can model Yamnaya as EHG + something CHG, for the most part. So you don't have to score EHG to have some EHG, if you score Yamnaya.
Pedro Ruben
09-12-2024, 10:44 PM
Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 3.6321% / 0.03632053
49.4 ANF
32.8 Yamnaya
9.0 WHG
6.0 Iberomaurusian
2.2 Sub-Saharan_African
0.6 EHG
Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 3.4964% / 0.03496378
50.2 ANF
28.2 Yamnaya
10.2 WHG
7.4 Iberomaurusian
2.6 Sub-Saharan_African
1.4 EHG
Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 3.6372% / 0.03637181
50.8 ANF
32.2 Yamnaya
11.0 WHG
3.8 Iberomaurusian
2.2 Sub-Saharan_African
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