Label then plot your Eurogenes K13 22-chromosomes with European Civilzations calc

[ScandinavianCelt]

If you want to try something fun, label your Eurogenes K13 22-chromosomes (if you have them) and plot them AGGREGATED on one of the PCA charts on Vahaduo -- I chose the Northwest Europe PCA for mine.

To label your 22-chromosomes you can do that by using your top 2 distances on each chromosome using the exploreyourdna calc European Civilizations here: https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculateur/166/european-civilisations.htm

Mine look like this:

Distance to: Germanic:Germanic_Norwegian_Trondelag_VK523_IA_&_Germanic_Slovakia_Zohor_Quadi_RomanA.Chr22
0.05304944 Germanic:_Iron_Age_Scandinavian(Trondelag):Norway_ IA.SG:VK523_noUDG.SG
0.05374225 Germanic:_Quadi_Tribe_Slovakia:Slovakia_Zohor_Germ anic_Roman.SG:R2204.SG

Distance to: Germanic:Germanic_Saxon_Cambridgeshire_&_Germanic_Saxon_Anderten_Medieval.chr21
0.06673860 Germanic:_Cambridgeshire_England_Saxon.SG:HAD008.S G
0.06806349 Germanic:_Saxon(LowerSaxony):Germany_Anderten_Saxo n_Medieval:ADN006_noUDG

Distance to: Celto-Germanic:Celtic_England_LIA_&_Germanic_Saxon_Drantum_Medieval.chr20
0.02870300 Insular_Celtic:Cantiaci:England_LIA:I19870
0.03006915 Germanic:_Saxon(LowerSaxony):Germany_Drantum_Saxon _Medieval:DRU018.A_noUDG

Distance to: Celtic:Celtic_England_Dubunni&Corieltauvi_MIA_LIA.chr19
0.04026497 Insular_Celtic:Dobunni:England_MIA_LIA:I21271
0.04159653 Insular_Celtic:Corieltauvi:England_MIA:I20627

Distance to: Celtic:ContinentalCeltic_France_GrandEst_IA.chr18
0.03597097 Continental_Celtic:_EasternGaul:France_GrandEst_IA 2:I21402
0.03819289 Continental_Celtic:_EasternGaul:France_GrandEst_IA 2:I19357

Distance to: Celtic:Celtic_England_Durotriges&Parisi_MIA_LIA.chr17
0.02324034 Insular_Celtic:Durotriges:England_MIA_LIA:I21310
0.02782097 Insular_Celtic:Parisi:England_EastYorkshire_MIA:I1 2412

Distance to: Germanic:Germanic_Saxon_Drantum_Medieval.chr16
0.04112130 Germanic:_Saxon(LowerSaxony):Germany_Drantum_Saxon _Medieval:DRU001.A_noUDG
0.04287155 Germanic:_Saxon(LowerSaxony):Germany_Drantum_Saxon _Medieval:DRU013.A_noUDG

Distance to: Germanic:Germanic_England_Suffolk_Saxon_&_Netherlands_Friesland_Medieval.chr15
0.02338184 Germanic:_Suffolk_England_Saxon:LAK013_noUDG
0.02430965 Germanic:_Saxon(LowerSaxony):Saxon(Friesland):Neth erlands_Friesland_Saxon_Medieval:MDM001.A

Distance to: Celto-Italian:ContinentalCeltic_France_Sarrebourg_LAntiq uity_&_Italian_Rome_LAntiquity.chr14
0.04300067 Continental_Celtic:Gallo-Roman:France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity.SG:R11552.SG
0.04909673 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR106___AD_500___Coverag e_68.57%

Distance to: Celto-Italian:ContinentalCeltic_Czech_Boii_IA_&_Italian_Rome_LAntiquity.chr13
0.03494052 Continental_Celtic:_Boii_Tribe_LaTene:Czech_IA_LaT ene:I15047
0.04077328 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR108___AD_500___Coverag e_70.45%

Distance to: Celtic:ContinentalCeltic_Czech_Boii_IA_&_EasternFrance_GrandEst_IA.chr12
0.03495466 Continental_Celtic:_Boii_Tribe_LaTene:Czech_IA_LaT ene:I15047
0.03814191 Continental_Celtic:_EasternGaul:France_GrandEst_IA 2:I21402

Distance to: Celto-Germanic:Germanic_England_Cambridgeshire_Saxon_&_ContinentalCeltic_Czech_Boii_IA.chr11
0.04242212 Germanic:_Cambridgeshire_England_Saxon.SG:HAD008.S G
0.04662164 Continental_Celtic:_Boii_Tribe_LaTene:Czech_IA_LaT ene:I15040

Distance to: Celtic:Celtic_Irish_EMedieval.chr10
0.02425416 Insular_Celtic:Ireland_Kilteasheen_AngloSaxon_EMed ieval_Norman:KIL037.A_noUDG
0.02724016 Insular_Celtic:Ireland_Kilteasheen_AngloSaxon_EMed ieval_Norman:KIL013.B_noUDG

Distance to: Italian:Italian_Rome_LAntiquity.chr9
0.04485690 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR108___AD_500___Coverag e_70.45%
0.04533463 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR106___AD_500___Coverag e_68.57%

Distance to: Celtic:Celtic_Irish_EMedieval_&_ContinentalCeltic_Czech_Boii_IA.chr8
0.02375395 Insular_Celtic:Ireland_Kilteasheen_AngloSaxon_EMed ieval_Norman:KIL037.A_noUDG
0.02644512 Continental_Celtic:_Boii_Tribe_LaTene:Czech_IA_LaT ene:I15040

Distance to: Germanic:Germanic_Poland_Goths_Weklice_Roman_&_Germanic_Sweden_Oland_IA.chr7
0.02775231 Germanic:_Goths_Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Rom an.SG:R10631.SG
0.02832903 Germanic:_Iron_Age_Scandinavian(Oland):Sweden_IA_2 .SG:VK522_noUDG.SG

Distance to: Celtic:Celtic_Irish_EMedieval_&_ContinentalCeltic_Czech_Boii_IA.chr6
0.03598262 Insular_Celtic:Ireland_Kilteasheen_AngloSaxon_EMed ieval_Norman:KIL037.A_noUDG
0.03816625 Continental_Celtic:_Boii_Tribe_LaTene:Czech_IA_LaT ene:I15040

Distance to: Germanic:Germanic_Norway_Trondelag_VK523_IA_&_Germanic_Slovakia_Zohor_Quadi_Roman.chr5
0.03524521 Germanic:_Iron_Age_Scandinavian(Trondelag):Norway_ IA.SG:VK523_noUDG.SG
0.03768250 Germanic:_Quadi_Tribe_Slovakia:Slovakia_Zohor_Germ anic_Roman.SG:R2204.SG

Distance to: Germanic:Germanic_Germany_Saxon_Drantum_Medieval.c hr4
0.02873827 Germanic:_Saxon(LowerSaxony):Germany_Drantum_Saxon _Medieval:DRU013.A_noUDG
0.03008854 Germanic:_Saxon(LowerSaxony):Germany_Drantum_Saxon _Medieval:DRU016.A_noUDG

Distance to: Celtic:Celtic_England_Catiaci&Parisi_MIA.chr3
0.02932305 Insular_Celtic:Cantiaci:England_MIA:I14380
0.03042893 Insular_Celtic:Parisi:England_EastYorkshire_MIA:I1 4100

Distance to: Germanic:Germanic_Germany_Baiuvari_EMedieval_&_Germanic_Poland_Weklice_Goths_Roman.chr2
0.03404240 Germanic:_Baiuvari_Tribe_Germany:Germany_EarlyMedi eval.SG:Alh1_noUDG.SG
0.03503980 Germanic:_Goths_Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Rom an.SG:R10631.SG

Distance to: Celtic:Celtic_England_Durotriges&Parisi_MIA_LIA.chr1
0.01583120 Insular_Celtic:Durotriges:England_MIA_LIA:I21310
0.01980682 Insular_Celtic:Parisi:England_EastYorkshire_MIA:I1 2412



You have to use the Gedmatch tool to get your chromosomes broken down on the K13 calc by selecting to measure your DNA by chromosome, then put the results copy the whole page (CTRL+A) and paste here to get them into horizontal form here: data:text/html;base64,PHRleHRhcmVhPjwvdGV4dGFyZWE+CjxzY3JpcH Q+ZG9jdW1lbnQucXVlcnlTZWxlY3RvcigidGV4dGFyZWEiKS5v bmlucHV0PWZ1bmN0aW9uKCl7Y29uc3QgdD1bLi4udGhpcy52YW x1ZS5tYXRjaCgvKD88PVxzKVwtfFtcZFwuXSsoPz0lXHMpL2dt KV0ubWFwKE51bWJlcikubWFwKCh0PT5pc05hTih0KT8wOnQpKS 5yZWR1Y2UoKCh0LGEsZSk9Pntjb25zdCBuPU1hdGguZmxvb3Io ZS8yMik7cmV0dXJuIHRbbl18fD1bXSx0W25dLnB1c2goYSksdH 0pLFtdKTt0aGlzLnZhbHVlPXRbMF0ubWFwKCgoYSxlKT0+dC5t YXAoKHQ9PnRbZV0pKSkpLm1hcCgoKHQsYSk9PmBjaHIke2ErMX 0sJHt0LmpvaW4oIiwiKX1gKSkuam9pbigiXG4iKX08L3Njcmlw dD4=

Then convert the horizontal format to G25 coordinates here: https://allelocator.ovh/simulatedg25.html

Remember to label your chromosomes correctly, like this for me for example: Celtic:chr1.... or Germanic:chr2.... etc

Then post your results, if you want to.

This is mine LABELED BY TOP TWO GENETIC DISTANCES:

https://i.postimg.cc/cJ3CDMq7/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2024-09-12-T145543-557.png (https://postimages.org/)

Mine come out on this one to roughly 11 chromosomes worth Celtic, 9 Germanic, 2 Italian.

This is how it looks LABELED BY 2X ADC RESULTS, top % listed first:

https://i.postimg.cc/4xkqtFHZ/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2024-09-12-T154008-368.png (https://postimages.org/)

[ScandinavianCelt]

You could choose a different calculator that has some uniformity to your own personal background. This one works for me, as I'm sure it would for most Northern Europeans. Share the calc you use to label your own so we know how you got your results. Thanks.

[ScandinavianCelt]

You can try it using the labels from the top two genetic distances for each chromosome from the Roman Map of the World calc, if it fits you better than the other one, or use a different calc, as I said, to get your labels.

This is how it looks for me if I do the Roman Map of the World to label them with the top two distances:

https://i.postimg.cc/TP8nG1Yq/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2024-09-12-T161938-548.png (https://postimages.org/)

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Using the top-2 genetic distances of each chromosome as labels from official Modern Pop Averages Scaled (with K13 full 22-chromosomes of mine), and there is just no uniformity in labeling using the top two distances, so it's not quite as fun:

https://i.postimg.cc/j5sFRts2/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2024-09-12-T163452-042.png (https://postimages.org/)

and, lastly, for now, with 2x ADC results using Modern Pop Averages Scaled:

https://i.postimg.cc/PqHVTYhT/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2024-09-12-T165527-313.png (https://postimages.org/)

The "Southern4" (chromosomes 9, 12, 13, & 14) using average of those 4 K13 chromosomes give me this result on the Modern Scaled samples:


Target: Southern4.K13.Ave
Distance: 1.4828% / 0.01482801 | ADC: 2x RC
41.8 French_Alsace
31.6 German_Erlangen
26.6 Slovenian

Target: Southern4.K13.Ave
Distance: 1.2528% / 0.01252845 | ADC: 1x RC
37.8 French_Alsace
37.0 German_Erlangen
25.2 Serbian

Looks like my "Southern Slavic" origins pulled those chromosomes south.

[cass]

I'm afraid the Baltic, Finnish etc. coordinates are missing.

Target: FullGenomeG25:sample
Distance: 2.8990% / 0.02899030
81.8 Germanic
9.2 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity
9.0 Continental_Celtic

[Athalafuns]

Eurogenes K13

https://i.postimg.cc/pLBGhZSC/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views.png (https://postimg.cc/NK57Z1B2)

[ScandinavianCelt]

I'm afraid the Baltic, Finnish etc. coordinates are missing.

Target: FullGenomeG25:sample
Distance: 2.8990% / 0.02899030
81.8 Germanic
9.2 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity
9.0 Continental_Celtic

Try just Modern Pop Ave Scaled and see if there is any uniformity for you. Otherwise, maybe the Roman Map of the World or another?

[ScandinavianCelt]

Eurogenes K13

https://i.postimg.cc/pLBGhZSC/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views.png (https://postimg.cc/NK57Z1B2)


Big-time Celtic Spaniard! Our y-chromosome had to share some of these Celtic &/or Celtic-Italian backgrounds.

[Fabricius]

I included some samples of what I believe to be ancient Baltic DNA (from Global25_PCA_scaled), not average. However, I think something didn't work out, because even though the Estonia_CordedWare appearing top1 and top2 on chromosome 18, it is far from the Baltics on the map.

Does anyone know what could have happened?

While I was analyzing this, I even thought that I should have put some Pre-Indo-European sample (neolithic farmers or some ancient Sardinian), but I don't know anymore.

However, I really enjoyed being able to investigate chromosome by chromosome.



Distance to: Italic:chr1
0.03827735 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR105___AD_500___Coverag e_72.43%
0.04035307 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR109___AD_500___Coverag e_42.20%

Distance to: Celto-Germanic:chr2
0.04173613 Germanic:_Saxon(LowerSaxony):Germany_Drantum_Saxon _Medieval:DRU018.A_noUDG
0.04292892 Insular_Celtic:Cantiaci:England_LIA:I19870

Distance to: Italo-Celtic:chr3
0.05986752 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR105___AD_500___Coverag e_72.43%
0.06297091 Continental_Celtic:Gallo-Roman:France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity.SG:R11553.SG

Distance to: Italic:chr4
0.04898096 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR105___AD_500___Coverag e_72.43%
0.05316773 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR36___AD_500___Coverage _74.85%

Distance to: Celtic:chr5
0.04842731 Continental_Celtic:_EasternGaul:France_GrandEst_IA 2:I21402
0.05023241 Continental_Celtic:_EasternGaul:France_GrandEst_IA 2:I21931

Distance to: Italic:chr6
0.06874841 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR108___AD_500___Coverag e_70.45%
0.07064775 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR106___AD_500___Coverag e_68.57%

Distance to: Italic:chr7
0.04514121 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR105___AD_500___Coverag e_72.43%
0.05412335 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR108___AD_500___Coverag e_70.45%

Distance to: Celtic:chr8
0.06061481 Continental_Celtic:Celts_TransalpineGaul:France_So uthEast_IA2:I19918
0.06260316 Continental_Celtic:Celts_TransalpineGaul:France_So uthEast_IA2:I19917

Distance to: Italic:chr9
0.06369853 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR105___AD_500___Coverag e_72.43%
0.06428516 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR108___AD_500___Coverag e_70.45%

Distance to: Germanic:chr10
0.04497862 Germanic:_Saxon(LowerSaxony):Germany_Drantum_Saxon _Medieval:DRU002.A_noUDG
0.04674404 Germanic:_Saxon(LowerSaxony):Germany_Drantum_Saxon _Medieval:DRU001.A_noUDG
0.04868836

Distance to: Italic:chr11
0.10983062 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR105___AD_500___Coverag e_72.43%
0.11446369 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR108___AD_500___Coverag e_70.45%

Distance to: Celto-Germanic:chr12
0.07322326 Continental_Celtic:Gallo-Roman:France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity.SG:R11552.SG
0.07389235 Germanic:_Saxon(LowerSaxony):Germany_Drantum_Saxon _Medieval:DRU002.A_noUDG

Distance to: Germanic:chr13
0.29483858 Germanic:_Saxon(LowerSaxony):Germany_Drantum_Saxon _Medieval:DRU002.A_noUDG
0.29641563 Germanic:_Saxon(LowerSaxony):Germany_Drantum_Saxon _Medieval:DRU011.A_noUDG

Distance to: Italic:chr14
0.06027374 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR110___AD_500___Coverag e_54.15%
0.06283704 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR109___AD_500___Coverag e_42.20%

Distance to: Italic:chr15
0.03959001 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR105___AD_500___Coverag e_72.43%
0.04743116 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR108___AD_500___Coverag e_70.45%

Distance to: Germanic:chr16
0.19687430 Germanic:_Saxon(LowerSaxony):Germany_Drantum_Saxon _Medieval:DRU002.A_noUDG
0.19802326 Germanic:_Saxon(LowerSaxony):Germany_Drantum_Saxon _Medieval:DRU011.A_noUDG

Distance to: Celtic:chr17
0.04386246 Continental_Celtic:Celts_TransalpineGaul:France_So uthEast_IA2:I19917
0.04448304 Continental_Celtic:Celts_TransalpineGaul:France_So uthEast_IA2:I19918

Distance to: Baltic:chr18
0.08649616 Estonia_CordedWare:Kunila2
0.09037886 Estonia_CordedWare.SG:MA973_noUDG.SG

Distance to: Celtic:chr19
0.04887511 Continental_Celtic:Celts_TransalpineGaul:France_So uthEast_IA2:I19917
0.05107037 Continental_Celtic:Celts_TransalpineGaul:France_So uthEast_IA2:I19918

Distance to: Italic:chr20
0.17571688 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR32___AD_500___Coverage _53.03%
0.17603244 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR122___AD_500___Coverag e_78.97%

Distance to: Italic:chr21
0.04607090 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR105___AD_500___Coverag e_72.43%
0.05259584 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR33___AD_500___Coverage _81.71%

Distance to: Italo-Celtic:chr22
0.07209483 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR110___AD_500___Coverag e_54.15%
0.07536716 Continental_Celtic:Celts_TransalpineGaul:France_So uthEast_IA2:I19918


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[Fabricius]

If you want to try something fun, label your Eurogenes K13 22-chromosomes (if you have them) and plot them AGGREGATED on one of the PCA charts on Vahaduo -- I chose the Northwest Europe PCA for mine.
(...)

You have to use the Gedmatch tool to get your chromosomes broken down on the K13 calc by selecting to measure your DNA by chromosome, then put the results copy the whole page (CTRL+A) and paste here to get them into horizontal form here: data:text/html;base64,PHRleHRhcmVhPjwvdGV4dGFyZWE+CjxzY3JpcH Q+ZG9jdW1lbnQucXVlcnlTZWxlY3RvcigidGV4dGFyZWEiKS5v bmlucHV0PWZ1bmN0aW9uKCl7Y29uc3QgdD1bLi4udGhpcy52YW x1ZS5tYXRjaCgvKD88PVxzKVwtfFtcZFwuXSsoPz0lXHMpL2dt KV0ubWFwKE51bWJlcikubWFwKCh0PT5pc05hTih0KT8wOnQpKS 5yZWR1Y2UoKCh0LGEsZSk9Pntjb25zdCBuPU1hdGguZmxvb3Io ZS8yMik7cmV0dXJuIHRbbl18fD1bXSx0W25dLnB1c2goYSksdH 0pLFtdKTt0aGlzLnZhbHVlPXRbMF0ubWFwKCgoYSxlKT0+dC5t YXAoKHQ9PnRbZV0pKSkpLm1hcCgoKHQsYSk9PmBjaHIke2ErMX 0sJHt0LmpvaW4oIiwiKX1gKSkuam9pbigiXG4iKX08L3Njcmlw dD4=




Thank you very much, cousin!
I finally managed to break the chromosomes!
This will be of great value in my research with modern populations, and I believe that I will be able to have a more accurate notion of my origins.

[ScandinavianCelt]

@alexmegas

I ran the Geno MENA calc against just my 4 most southern-&-eastern chromosomes (9, 12, 13, & 14) and the Population Analysis puts Romanian as the closest group:

Population Similarity Index
Romanian 0.9881
French 0.9855
Hungarian 0.9837
Italian_North 0.981
Greek 0.9657
Albanian 0.9625
Greek 0.9594
Russian 0.9518
Basque 0.9468
Lebanon_Medieval_o2 0.9266
Lebanon_Medieval_o5 0.9233
Italian_South 0.9233
Italian_Sardinian 0.9145
Sardinian 0.9132
Spain_C_oSteppe 0.9057
Jew_Ashkenazi 0.9005
Lebanon_Medieval_o4 0.8952
Cypriot 0.8493
Turkey_Alalakh_MLBA 0.8457
Turkey_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic 0.8227
Turkey_Boncuklu_N 0.815
Jew_Libyan 0.7941
Turkey_OldHittitePeriod 0.7528
Turkey_EBA_II 0.7401
Turkey_N 0.7361
Greece_Minoan_Lassithi 0.7295
Lebanon_Hellenistic 0.7191
Morocco_LN 0.7083
Lebanon_Medieval_o3 0.6627
Mozabite 0.662
Abazin 0.6573
Lebanese_Christian 0.6537
Kumyk 0.6447
Algerian 0.6396
Tunisian 0.6057
Lebanese_Muslim 0.6008
Ingushian 0.5973
Turkish 0.5942
Azeri 0.59
Moroccan 0.5817
Armenian 0.5805
Turkey_MLBA_AssyrianColonyPeriod 0.579
Lezgin 0.5789
Druze 0.5783
Assyrian 0.5753
Avar 0.5747
Chechen 0.5669
Assyrian 0.5405
Georgian 0.528
Kubachinian 0.5262
Jew_Iranian 0.5227
Jordanian 0.52
Darginian 0.5199
Jew_Iraqi 0.5135

And the nMonte @ .25x (standard) on same calc:

Distance: 2.68

49.20% Romanian
29.40% French
06.00% Algerian
05.60% Kalash
04.40% Turkey_Alalakh_MLBA
01.60% GujaratiA
01.20% Spain_HG
01.00% Russian
00.80% Spain_HG
00.60% GujaratiD
00.20% Iran_ShahrISokhta_BA2


Alex, I think you should try your K13 full 22 chromosomes with the Roman Map of the World to see how your chromosomes group-out together. You seem to always have several definite directions/groups from each direction!