Is I1 the most European haplogroup?

[Johnson Reed]

I is the only haplogroup that actually originated in Europe (N and R come from Siberia, E,G,J, and T from the Middle East or North Africa), but apparently I2 is relatively common in parts of West Asia. We also know about R1a being common in Pajeets and R1b being common in parts of Sub-Saharan Africa.

I don't mean this as an insult to R-men, European cultural identity does mostly come from the Steppe, and R1b-L21 is my second favorite haplogroup after my own.

But, to the best of my knowledge, all non-European I1 is from recent European admixture (i.e. Conquistadors, Crusaders, etc...), and the same isn't true for all non-European I2 or R.

[Jased]

I don't know, but I consider mine superior xDDDDDD

[J. Ketch]

Meh. There are earlier R1b samples in Europe than I1.

[catgeorge]

You cant have I without J as they are siblings and you cant have IJ without F.

[Upsilander]

Villabruna was R1b (WHG reference) but C would be the most indigenous if we want to go that far behind in the Paleolithic. R1b went back to Africa at some point, probably running out of pussies in Eurasia :cool:

Verdict: It's fun but not that important.

[Beowulf]

To me both I1 and R1B are equally European, those haplogroups have had presence in Europe in quite a lot of time already!

[Live The Magic]

No, but I2 is.

[tk'es]

greetings to my I1 and I2 cousins

[Johnson Reed]

Meh. There are earlier R1b samples in Europe than I1.

I didn't know that, interesting. Does basal I-M170 predate R in Europe? Do you know what subclades the early R1b samples were? (I'm hoping L21, my favorite R1b subclade)

(R1 and I are the only haplogroups I see as undeniably European, even if I is more indigenous, R1 brought the languages we speak today and much of our culture and identity. I think that the R1a in India and the Middle East comes from the Sintashta people, who were genetically White. Not sure about R1b-V88 in Africa, that one still puzzles me)


Villabruna was R1b (WHG reference) but C would be the most indigenous if we want to go that far behind in the Paleolithic. R1b went back to Africa at some point, probably running out of pussies in Eurasia :cool:

Verdict: It's fun but not that important.

Why would WHG have an ANE haplogroup? Was Villabruna not pure WHG, but already had some steppe admixture?

[Demirkazık]

Why would WHG have an ANE haplogroup? Was Villabruna not pure WHG, but already had some steppe admixture?

Villabruna has ANE ancestry, around 6%.

[Johnson Reed]

Villabruna has ANE ancestry, around 6%.

Why is it used for WHG instead of a pure WHG sample?

[rothaer]

Why is it used for WHG instead of a pure WHG sample?

Because it's considered pure WHG, the earliest specimen for WHG even.

[Hektor12]

Why are you so proud of a haplogroup that can only be found in europe originally because its carriers failed to spred it through the world? Is this real admiration of weakness and naivety?

[Live The Magic]

R1a and R1b came from India to Europe in Bronze Age and late Neolithic.

[Leto]

So you are I1, now I know. Yes, it's white as fuck, very Nordic but not Aryanic. Too bad Hitler was unaware of this.

[Johnson Reed]

Why are you so proud of a haplogroup that can only be found in europe originally because its carriers failed to spred it through the world? Is this real admiration of weakness and naivety?

Why would I want to share a haplogroup with Pajeets? They are disgusting, the dust of life, conceived in Hell, and born in strife...


Because it's considered pure WHG, the earliest specimen for WHG even.

How is it pure WHG if it is 6% ANE?


So you are I1, now I know. Yes, it's white as fuck, very Nordic but not Aryanic. Too bad Hitler was unaware of this.

It seems that haplogroup I is associated with an increased height but also with an increased risk of coronary artery disease.

[Johnson Reed]

R1a and R1b came from India to Europe in Bronze Age and late Neolithic.

No, R1a entered India through the Sintashta people. Europeans are not descended from Pajeets in any way.

[Live The Magic]

No, R1a entered India through the Sintashta people. Europeans are not descended from Pajeets in any way.

Modern SNP trackers showed they entered very eastern parts of Eurasian steppe through India.
R1a:
https://i.ibb.co/YddpShX/Screenshot-2024-09-13-23-19-26-837-com-brave-browser-edit.jpg
R1b:
https://i.ibb.co/cFKrnnm/Screenshot-2024-09-13-23-19-00-392-com-brave-browser-edit.jpg

[Johnson Reed]

Modern SNP trackers showed they entered very eastern parts of Eurasian steppe through India.
R1a:
https://i.ibb.co/YddpShX/Screenshot-2024-09-13-23-19-26-837-com-brave-browser-edit.jpg
R1b:
https://i.ibb.co/cFKrnnm/Screenshot-2024-09-13-23-19-00-392-com-brave-browser-edit.jpg

Persia isn't India.

[Live The Magic]

So you are I1, now I know. Yes, it's white as fuck, very Nordic but not Aryanic. Too bad Hitler was unaware of this.

Are you referring to me or someone else?

[Live The Magic]

Persia isn't India.

The point is it went to the very far east before it started its westward migration. It was not originally European, never mind if it entered India or just passed near it.

[Valenman]

As I said in a previous post, the oldest haplogroup in Europe is C and H2, although it sounds funny. Second is I.
I would say that I2 is the most "European" basically because 90% of European men in Paleolithic had this haplogroup
The r1b would be more European only because it is the most common along with the R1a
I1 it is true that it is almost exclusively European but the problem is that it was super rare in Paleolithic even the Scandinavians were almost exclusively I2
That's why I don't know what to answer, it depends on what you consider most important (number, age, area etc...) it will be more "European or less"

[Johnson Reed]

The point is it went to the very far east before it started its westward migration. It was not originally European, never mind if it entered India or just passed near it.

Yes, but the most important subclade, L21, as well as less important subclades like U106 or U152, originated in Europe.

[Live The Magic]

Yes, but the most important subclade, L21, as well as less important subclades like U106 or U152, originated in Europe.

Then be more specific and name the thread "The most European subclade of all haplogroups" or something like that. Haplogroup I2 has presence in Magdaleanian and other early/middle Stone Age Europeans, and unlike C and H2 it still is found among European population in significant number.

[Fabricius]

R1a and R1b came from India to Europe in Bronze Age and late Neolithic.


No!
The Aryan invasion of India is irrefutable, not only by observing the genetic variety of the subcontinent itself, but the sacred books themselves indicate this. The original Indians are the Dravidians, who have made up the lower castes for millennia. Only facts.

Bal Gangadhar Tilak brings many references to the memory of the North-Ancestor in the Indians in his "The Arctic Home in the Vedas".

In addition to Indians and Iranians, the Greeks also had a certain memory of a paradisiacal land in the north, the Hyperborea of Apollo.
And about the Greeks also coming from the north, there is an interesting book: "The Baltic origins of Homer's epic tales", by Felice Vinci.

R Y-DNA came from Arctic region.

[Live The Magic]

No!
The Aryan invasion of India is irrefutable, not only by observing the genetic variety of the subcontinent itself, but the sacred books themselves indicate this. The original Indians are the Dravidians, who have made up the lower castes for millennia. Only facts.

Bal Gangadhar Tilak brings many references to the memory of the North-Ancestor in the Indians in his "The Arctic Home in the Vedas".

In addition to Indians and Iranians, the Greeks also had a certain memory of a paradisiacal land in the north, the Hyperborea of Apollo.
And about the Greeks also coming from the north, there is an interesting book: "The Baltic origins of Homer's epic tales", by Felice Vinci.

R Y-DNA came from Arctic region.

Oooh ok mr Indian

[R1b-L51]

No!
The Aryan invasion of India is irrefutable, not only by observing the genetic variety of the subcontinent itself, but the sacred books themselves indicate this. The original Indians are the Dravidians, who have made up the lower castes for millennia. Only facts.

Bal Gangadhar Tilak brings many references to the memory of the North-Ancestor in the Indians in his "The Arctic Home in the Vedas".

In addition to Indians and Iranians, the Greeks also had a certain memory of a paradisiacal land in the north, the Hyperborea of Apollo.
And about the Greeks also coming from the north, there is an interesting book: "The Baltic origins of Homer's epic tales", by Felice Vinci.

R Y-DNA came from Arctic region.

Yes It's irrefutable

[Fabricius]

Modern SNP trackers showed they entered very eastern parts of Eurasian steppe through India.
R1a:
https://i.ibb.co/YddpShX/Screenshot-2024-09-13-23-19-26-837-com-brave-browser-edit.jpg
R1b:
https://i.ibb.co/cFKrnnm/Screenshot-2024-09-13-23-19-00-392-com-brave-browser-edit.jpg

This estimate is based on the assumption that all humans came from the same place. A scientistic dogma. And I already know that unfortunately I will annoy some here, because scientism is one of the most intolerant ideologies with "heretics".

Even so, haplogroup R appears in the Eurasian steppes near the Caucasus on your own map...

[Johnson Reed]

Then be more specific and name the thread "The most European subclade of all haplogroups" or something like that. Haplogroup I2 has presence in Magdaleanian and other early/middle Stone Age Europeans, and unlike C and H2 it still is found among European population in significant number.

If I1 didn't exist in Stone Age Europe, then where did it come from?

(I2, unlike I1, is found in reasonable numbers outside of Europeans and their diaspora)

[Fabricius]

Oooh ok mr Indian

Be well, Mr. South-Amerindian

[Live The Magic]

This estimate is based on the assumption that all humans came from the same place. A scientistic dogma. And I already know that unfortunately I will annoy some here, because scientism is one of the most intolerant ideologies with "heretics".

Even so, haplogroup R appears in the Eurasian steppes near the Caucasus on your own map...

In any case its not related to the oldest European populations that make up modern Europeans. Its like I said late Neolithic or early Bronze Age "newcomers", so don't whine a lot.

[Valenman]

If I1 didn't exist in Stone Age Europe, then where did it come from?

(I2, unlike I1, is found in reasonable numbers outside of Europeans and their diaspora)

Apparently I1 was a very rare haplogroup but then in Age and Iron it spread for some reason.
Its origin is 25,000 thousand years ago in Europe, probably the Balkans or Central Europe.

[Live The Magic]

If I1 didn't exist in Stone Age Europe, then where did it come from?

(I2, unlike I1, is found in reasonable numbers outside of Europeans and their diaspora)

I did not say it originated outside of Europe, but based on the latest data (might change in future) TMRCA of I1 is about 5000 ybp, for I2 is about 22000 ybp. So do the math, and see which one is present in the Stone Age.

[Johnson Reed]

I did not say it originated outside of Europe, but based on the latest data (might change in future) TMRCA of I1 is about 5000 ybp, for I2 is about 22000 ybp. So do the math, and see which one is present in the Stone Age.

Then why is it called I1 if it came second?

[R1b-L51]

Apparently I1 was a very rare haplogroup but then in Age and Iron it spread for some reason.
Its origin is 25,000 thousand years ago in Europe, probably the Balkans or Central Europe.

I had read that it was a split from the J group, so in theory they are bleached Semites

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[Live The Magic]

Then why is it called I1 if it came second?

Naming conventions date back to late 2000's where scientists knew very little or almost nothing about Stone Age Europeans Y-DNA. Lets call it the ever-present bias of Germanic world. Its alright though, they're the youngest Europeans and we forgive them like any good parent always forgives his child.

[Johnson Reed]

Naming conventions date back to late 2000's where scientists knew very little or almost nothing about Stone Age Europeans Y-DNA. Lets call it the ever-present bias of Germanic world. Its alright though, they're the youngest Europeans and we forgive them like any good parent always forgives his child.

You're I2?

[Live The Magic]

You're I2?

Isn't it obvious by now?

[rothaer]

How is it pure WHG if it is 6% ANE?

I don't know if it is.

My point is that Villabruna1 and Loschbour etc. are likely not different and all considered pure WHG. Whatever they are, this is WHG.

[Johnson Reed]

I don't know if it is.

My point is that Villabruna1 and Loschbour etc. are likely not different and all considered pure WHG. Whatever they are, this is WHG.

I wonder what the non-ANE, proto-WHG component was like.

[Hektor12]

Why would I want to share a haplogroup with Pajeets? They are disgusting, the dust of life, conceived in Hell, and born in strife...


After sharing your hindo-european language family and part of your Aryan ancestry, is only haplogoup pain in your ass? Ok lets say its legitimate, still there are a lot of better people in the world where I1 couldnt touch.

[Scar95]

We went through this many times in the past and the answer was always... no. The most european Y-DNA is actually J-M92.