Medieval Modeling:Composite 2-way modeling using 2x ADC Ancient Scaled Individuals Official G25

[ScandinavianCelt]

Experimental Medieval modeling:

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1. Get your 2x result from the samples above
2. Get your 2-way modeling of each resultant sample from step #1 and show the result; use this 2-way modeling tool for each sample: https://www.exploreyourdna.com/oracle.aspx
3. Calculate the % of each result and post it

Mine:
1. Result:

Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 1.5716% / 0.01571609 | ADC: 2x RC
38.6 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval:GRO015.A_noUD G
32.2 Germany_Anderten_Saxon_Medieval:ADN007_noUDG
29.2 Germany_Drantum_Saxon_Medieval:DRU017.A_noUDG

2. 2-way results (of each result above):

38.6% Gronigen Saxon: 83% Welsh + 17% Russian_Krasnoborsky
32.2% Anderten Saxon: 94% Norwegian + 6% Georgian_Svan
29.2% Drantum Saxon: 96% Icelandic + 4% Sengwer

3. Calculated modeling of the 2-way results:

32.04% Welsh
30.27% Norwegian
28.03% Icelandic
6.56% Russian_Krasnoborsky
1.93% Georgian_Svan
1.17% Sengwer (Kenyan)
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Try it for fun. Will take a few minutes to calculte each of your 2-way samples. If you don't have the patience for it, just post your 2-way results for each sample you get at 2x on the calc.

Have a good day.

[Upsilander]

1. No RC:
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 1.7946% / 0.01794580
37.4 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval
26.2 England_EarlyMedieval
9.4 Italy_Sardinia_Medieval
7.2 Germany_EarlyMedieval_o1.SG
5.6 Estonia_Medieval.SG
4.6 Italy_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_o
3.8 Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG
3.0 Ukraine_Medieval.SG
2.8 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval

1. 2x RC:
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 2.2020% / 0.02201957 | ADC: 2x RC
45.0 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval
39.4 Norway_Medieval.SG
15.6 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval

2. 2-way:
45.0 Denmark_Zealand: 67% Danish + 33% Sorb_Niederlausitz
39.4 Norway_Medieval: 82% English + 18% Spanish_Asturias
15.6 Netherlands_Groningen: 85% Welsh + 15% Bosnian

3. 2-way modeling:
32.30% English
30.16% Danish
14.85% Sorb_Niederlausitz
13.26% Welsh
7.09% Spanish_Asturias
2.34% Bosnian

[ScandinavianCelt]

1. No RC:
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 1.7946% / 0.01794580
37.4 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval
26.2 England_EarlyMedieval
9.4 Italy_Sardinia_Medieval
7.2 Germany_EarlyMedieval_o1.SG
5.6 Estonia_Medieval.SG
4.6 Italy_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_o
3.8 Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG
3.0 Ukraine_Medieval.SG
2.8 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval

1. 2x RC:
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 2.2020% / 0.02201957 | ADC: 2x RC
45.0 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval
39.4 Norway_Medieval.SG
15.6 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval

2. 2-way:
45.0 Denmark_Zealand: 67% Danish + 33% Sorb_Niederlausitz
39.4 Norway_Medieval: 82% English + 18% Spanish_Asturias
15.6 Netherlands_Groningen: 85% Welsh + 15% Bosnian

3. 2-way modeling:
32.30% English
30.16% Danish
14.85% Sorb_Niederlausitz
13.26% Welsh
7.09% Spanish_Asturias
2.34% Bosnian

Nicely done! And interesting to compare with mine.

[Beowulf]

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0133% / 0.01327286 | ADC: 2x RC
41.1 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG
29.7 Germany_AltInden_Saxon_EMedieval
29.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2


<tbody>
Distance to:
Beowulf_Scaled


0.01336854
58.80% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 41.20% Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern.SG:R1285.SG


0.01355819
57.20% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 42.80% Italy_Lazio_Viterbo_EarlyMedieval:TAQ011


0.01426119
61.40% Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R12 24.SG + 38.60% Spain_Medieval:I10895


0.01446053
61.40% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 38.60% Italy_Tuscany_Siena_EarlyMedieval:ETR013


0.01472657
59.40% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 40.60% Italy_Tuscany_Siena_EarlyMedieval:ETR010



</tbody>

[EasternLusitanian]

Really simple results:

Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0139% / 0.01392343
33.9 Lebanon_Medieval_o1.SG:SI-41_noUDG.SG
21.3 Italy_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_o:COR002
17.3 England_EarlyMedieval:I11581
10.7 England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20672
5.5 Italy_Sardinia_Medieval:SNN004
3.8 Lebanon_Medieval.SG:SI-45_noUDG.SG
3.3 Norway_Medieval.SG:VK124_noUDG.SG
2.8 Mongolia_Arkhangai_EarlyMedieval:OLN002
1.4 Israel_Medieval_oNAfrica:I11095


Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0300% / 0.03004497 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Spain_Medieval:I10895

2 way (It's exactly the same as the final 2-way modelling) 93% Spanish_Lleida + 7% Berber_Tunisia_Chen

[ScandinavianCelt]

1. No RC:
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 1.7946% / 0.01794580
37.4 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval
26.2 England_EarlyMedieval
9.4 Italy_Sardinia_Medieval
7.2 Germany_EarlyMedieval_o1.SG
5.6 Estonia_Medieval.SG
4.6 Italy_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_o
3.8 Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG
3.0 Ukraine_Medieval.SG
2.8 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval

1. 2x RC:
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 2.2020% / 0.02201957 | ADC: 2x RC
45.0 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval
39.4 Norway_Medieval.SG
15.6 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval

2. 2-way:
45.0 Denmark_Zealand: 67% Danish + 33% Sorb_Niederlausitz
39.4 Norway_Medieval: 82% English + 18% Spanish_Asturias
15.6 Netherlands_Groningen: 85% Welsh + 15% Bosnian

3. 2-way modeling:
32.30% English
30.16% Danish
14.85% Sorb_Niederlausitz
13.26% Welsh
7.09% Spanish_Asturias
2.34% Bosnian

Try your 2x from the Medieval calc vs 6th C BC calc for further modeling going backwards:

https://i.postimg.cc/nzdRDRgy/Medieval-2x-vs-6th-C-BC-calc-2x.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Q9TJLbXm)

Basically putting me 2/3 Germanic, 1/3 Insular

[Upsilander]

Nicely done! And interesting to compare with mine.

Just using my own coordinates on 'exploreyourdna' works too for me :p


80% German_Hamburg + 20% Basque_Soule



Try your 2x from the Medieval calc vs 6th C BC calc for further modeling going backwards:

https://i.postimg.cc/nzdRDRgy/Medieval-2x-vs-6th-C-BC-calc-2x.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Q9TJLbXm)

Where you get this model?

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0133% / 0.01327286 | ADC: 2x RC
41.1 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG
29.7 Germany_AltInden_Saxon_EMedieval
29.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2


<tbody>
Distance to:
Beowulf_Scaled


0.01336854
58.80% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 41.20% Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern.SG:R1285.SG


0.01355819
57.20% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 42.80% Italy_Lazio_Viterbo_EarlyMedieval:TAQ011


0.01426119
61.40% Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R12 24.SG + 38.60% Spain_Medieval:I10895


0.01446053
61.40% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 38.60% Italy_Tuscany_Siena_EarlyMedieval:ETR013


0.01472657
59.40% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 40.60% Italy_Tuscany_Siena_EarlyMedieval:ETR010



</tbody>

Debe obtener el resultado bidireccional para cada una de las muestras resultantes de 2x. Luego, calcule esos porcentajes para obtener el modelo.

[Dušan]

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.1894% / 0.02189380 | ADC: 2x RC
52.0 Macedonia_Medieval
48.0 Croatia_Medieval_o



Macedonia_Medieval: 63% Italian_Liguria + 37% Russian_Orel
Croatia_Medieval_o: 64% Lithuanian_VZ + 36% Sephardic_Jew



Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.5099% / 0.02509895
40.2 Italian_Liguria
28.0 Russian_Orel
22.4 Lithuanian_VZ
9.4 Sephardic_Jew

[ScandinavianCelt]

Just using my own coordinates on 'exploreyourdna' works too for me :p


80% German_Hamburg + 20% Basque_Soule




Where you get this model?

Click the "MULTI" tab on Vahaduo, next to Single calculator tab.

Is that 2-way from the link I posted with your official coords? That would be a direct modern result. This thread is for modeling yourself more via Medieval breakdown of what you were then.

My modern 2-way, directly, from that link above is:

91% Danish + 9% Roma_Balkans

[Upsilander]

You guys are not doing it Germanic Qualität!! :grumpy:


Click the "MULTI" tab on Vahaduo, next to Single calculator tab.

Is that 2-way from the link I posted with your official coords? That would be a direct modern result. This thread is for modeling yourself more via Medieval breakdown of what you were then.

My modern 2-way, directly, from that link above is:

91% Danish + 9% Roma_Balkans

I get this, but the set you model the medieval results with, such as all the "Europe_Northwest"?

Yes "80% German_Hamburg + 20% Basque_Soule" is my 2-way on exploreyourdna

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.1894% / 0.02189380 | ADC: 2x RC
52.0 Macedonia_Medieval
48.0 Croatia_Medieval_o



Macedonia_Medieval: 63% Italian_Liguria + 37% Russian_Orel
Croatia_Medieval_o: 64% Lithuanian_VZ + 36% Sephardic_Jew



Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.5099% / 0.02509895
40.2 Italian_Liguria
28.0 Russian_Orel
22.4 Lithuanian_VZ
9.4 Sephardic_Jew

But to calculate the results from the 2-way you have to get your 52% of each one and then 48% of the other two, for Medieval modeling. The direct result for you will be more modern.

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 0.0207% / 0.02074846 | ADC: 2x RC
46.1 Spain_Medieval:I10895
34.2 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R12 89.SG
19.7 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R63 .SG

Spain_Medieval:I10895 = 93% Spanish_Lleida + 7% Berber_Tunisia_Chen
Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R12 89.SG = 54% Spanish_Lleida + 46% Spanish_Soria
Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R63 .SG=99% Spanish_Castello + 1% Koinanbe

My results with that 2WAY mode with modern references:

62% Spanish_Aragon_North + 38% Portuguese
60% Spanish_Aragon_North + 40% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
59% Spanish_Aragon_North + 41% Spanish_Andalucia
57% Spanish_Aragon_North + 43% Spanish_Eivissa
63% Spanish_Eivissa + 37% Basque_Lower_Navarre
60% Spanish_Aragon_North + 40% Spanish_Menorca
95% Spanish_Aragon + 5% Lithuanian_VA
96% Spanish_Aragon + 4% Lithuanian_SZ
96% Spanish_Aragon + 4% Latvian
95% Spanish_Aragon + 5% Cossack_Ukrainian

[Dušan]

But to calculate the results from the 2-way you have to get your 52% of each one and then 48% of the other two, for Medieval modeling. The direct result for you will be more modern.

Okay, now I understand :)


52% Macedonia_Medieval: 63% Italian_Liguria + 37% Russian_Orel
48% Croatia_Medieval_o: 64% Lithuanian_VZ + 36% Sephardic_Jew


Dušan_scaled
Italian_Liguria 32.76%
Lithuanian_VZ 30.72%
Russian_Orel 19.24%
Sephardic_Jew 17.28%

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 0.0207% / 0.02074846 | ADC: 2x RC
46.1 Spain_Medieval:I10895
34.2 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R12 89.SG
19.7 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R63 .SG

Spain_Medieval:I10895 = 93% Spanish_Lleida + 7% Berber_Tunisia_Chen
Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R12 89.SG = 54% Spanish_Lleida + 46% Spanish_Soria
Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R63 .SG=99% Spanish_Castello + 1% Koinanbe



Parece que has sido casi completamente español desde la época medieval.

Lérida es mi distancia española más cercana a mis coordenadas oficiales promedio.

[ScandinavianCelt]

You guys are not doing it Germanic Qualität!! :grumpy:



I get this, but the set you model the medieval results with, such as all the "Europe_Northwest"?

Yes "80% German_Hamburg + 20% Basque_Soule" is my 2-way on exploreyourdna

No, just put your Medieval 2x resultant samples into the 6th C BC calc and run the Multi tab at 2x.

If I do my modern coordinates directly the result is slightly shifted more Insular:

Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 2.4269% / 0.02426887 | ADC: 2x RC
55.6 Europe_Northwest:West_Germanic
44.4 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_Cornwall

[tk'es]

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 4.1108% / 0.04110776
43.0 Armenia_EarlyMedieval:I1660
31.8 Russia_Caucasus_Medieval:Anapa-9.SG
11.0 Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR316b_noUDG.SG
8.8 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_XiongnuLateMedieval_1:SKT003
5.4 Mongolia_Arkhangai_XiongnuEarlyMedieval_3:TUK001


Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 4.2137% / 0.04213711 | ADC: 0.5x RC
46.6 Russia_Caucasus_Medieval:Anapa-9.SG
26.2 Armenia_EarlyMedieval:I1660
17.0 Mongolia_Arkhangai_EarlyMedieval:OLN002
10.2 Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG:STR316b_noUDG.SG


Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 4.5468% / 0.04546792 | ADC: 1x RC
59.0 Russia_Caucasus_Medieval:Anapa-9.SG
21.2 Mongolia_Arkhangai_EarlyMedieval:OLN002
19.8 Armenia_EarlyMedieval:I1659

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.1894% / 0.02189380 | ADC: 2x RC
52.0 Macedonia_Medieval
48.0 Croatia_Medieval_o



Macedonia_Medieval: 63% Italian_Liguria + 37% Russian_Orel
Croatia_Medieval_o: 64% Lithuanian_VZ + 36% Sephardic_Jew



Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.5099% / 0.02509895
40.2 Italian_Liguria
28.0 Russian_Orel
22.4 Lithuanian_VZ
9.4 Sephardic_Jew

What do you get if you remove the original outlier you get on the Medieval portion of this modeling?

[Upsilander]

No, just put your Medieval 2x resultant samples into the 6th C BC calc and run the Multi tab at 2x.

If I do my modern coordinates directly the result is slightly shifted more Insular:

Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 2.4269% / 0.02426887 | ADC: 2x RC
55.6 Europe_Northwest:West_Germanic
44.4 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_Cornwall

I understand all this lol, i just don't know where you get these samples!:

Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 2.4269% / 0.02426887 | ADC: 2x RC
55.6 Europe_Northwest:West_Germanic
44.4 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_Cornwall

Are they found on Vahaduo somewhere?

[ScandinavianCelt]

I understand all this lol, i just don't know where you get these samples!:

Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 2.4269% / 0.02426887 | ADC: 2x RC
55.6 Europe_Northwest:West_Germanic
44.4 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_Cornwall

Are they found on Vahaduo somewhere?

Those are the results from the 6th C BC calc: https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculator/135/world-6th-century-bc-by-tomenable-piotr-kapus.htm

Samples are in the Source there.

[Dušan]

What do you get if you remove the original outlier you get on the Medieval portion of this modeling?

You mean standard breakdown?

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 1.6273% / 0.01627317
29.0 Russia_Sunghir_Medieval.SG
15.4 Albania_Medieval
14.8 Macedonia_Medieval
14.2 Croatia_Medieval_o
13.0 BosniaHerzegovina_Medieval
7.2 Italy_Tuscany_Siena_EarlyMedieval
3.4 Ukraine_Medieval.SG
3.0 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern.SG

[gixajo]

Parece que has sido casi completamente español desde la época medieval.

Lérida es mi distancia española más cercana a mis coordenadas oficiales promedio.

Todos los españoles y portugueses modernos somos poblaciones que se asentaron en la edad media.

En mi caso, es la mezcla andaluza oriental y vasca meridional la que hace que me parezca a un aragonés/catalán, porque no tengo ningún antepasado de la zona nor-aragonesa/catalana.

[ScandinavianCelt]

I understand all this lol, i just don't know where you get these samples!:

Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 2.4269% / 0.02426887 | ADC: 2x RC
55.6 Europe_Northwest:West_Germanic
44.4 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_Cornwall

Are they found on Vahaduo somewhere?

Those are the results from the 6th C BC calc: https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculator/135/world-6th-century-bc-by-tomenable-piotr-kapus.htm

Samples are in the Source there.

[ScandinavianCelt]

You mean standard breakdown?

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 1.6273% / 0.01627317
29.0 Russia_Sunghir_Medieval.SG
15.4 Albania_Medieval
14.8 Macedonia_Medieval
14.2 Croatia_Medieval_o
13.0 BosniaHerzegovina_Medieval
7.2 Italy_Tuscany_Siena_EarlyMedieval
3.4 Ukraine_Medieval.SG
3.0 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern.SG

If you do the 2x after you take out the outlier you got, then what is the 2x? I don't like outliers. lol

[Upsilander]

Those are the results from the 6th C BC calc: https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculator/135/world-6th-century-bc-by-tomenable-piotr-kapus.htm

Samples are in the Source there.

Thanks. Denmark + Norway Medieval is c. 85% for me so it makes sense i guess it's mostly a mix of West Germanic/Gaulish

https://i.postimg.cc/3wNrkBDR/Capturemodelsc1.png

[Dušan]

If you do the 2x after you take out the outlier you got, then what is the 2x? I don't like outliers. lol


After removing outlier, 100% Macedonia in 2x


Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.0900% / 0.02089952 | ADC: 1x RC
65.8 Macedonia_Medieval
25.2 Ukraine_Medieval.SG
9.0 BosniaHerzegovina_Medieval

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 3.1344% / 0.03134411 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Macedonia_Medieval

[cass]

sounds legit


Target: cass
Distance: 1.5774% / 0.01577447 | ADC: 2x RC
48.6 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval:KPN012.A_noUDG
30.8 BosniaHerzegovina_Medieval:I19561
20.6 Russia_Sunghir_Medieval.SG:Sunghir6_noUDG.SG


32,562 Danish
16,038 Sorb_Niederlausitz
30,184 Ukrainian_Rivne
20,394 Ukrainian_Lviv
0,616 Berber_MAR_TIZ
0,2060 Manyika


+ some PL medieval

Poland_Medieval:Early_Medieval_Wielkopolska,0.1281 648,0.1243262,0.0755374,0.0691947,0.041923,0.02569 97,0.0086249,0.0124956,-0.0003477,-0.0262967,-0.002314,-0.0108129,0.017029,0.0221779,-0.008978,0.0013623,0.003742,-0.0012415,0.0037772,0.0000782,-0.0035406,-0.0054036,0.0074811,-0.0058562,0.0019818
Poland_Medieval:Early_Medieval_Mazovia,0.1304412,0 .122676,0.0814582,0.0698972,0.0388994,0.0303434,0. 0071444,0.0135226,-0.0048268,-0.0256224,-0.0031502,-0.0123788,0.0191178,0.0305796,-0.0119434,0.003633,0.0110564,0.00038,0.0003268,-0.0016756,-0.0075868,-0.0065536,0.0064582,-0.0082178,-0.0045024
Poland_Medieval:Poland_Viking_Age_Bodzia_(Mixed_Ba lto-Slavic-Norse_Profile),0.142279,0.12491,0.082212,0.066861, 0.030467,0.034582,-0.00235,0.005077,0.006136,-0.019681,-0.000974,0.002698,0.000892,0.015827,-0.009636,0.023468,0.007302,-0.008868,0.016969,0.005628,-0.012478,0.005317,-0.011585,-0.006989,-0.000718
Poland_Medieval:Poland_Viking_Age_Bodzia_(Mixed_Ba lto-Slavic-Norse-Finnic_Profile,0.122929,0.131003,0.080327,0.074936 ,0.054779,0.033467,0.004935,0.00923,0.001432,-0.023326,-0.006658,-0.003447,0.004311,0.014038,0.005022,0.000928,0.005 215,-0.004561,0.000754,0.004127,0.003244,-0.004575,0.007148,0.00735,0.003592
Poland_Medieval:Poland_Viking_Age_Bodzia_(Mixed_Ba lto-Slavic-Norse-Finnic_Profile),0.13089633,0.12694133,0.080326667, 0.066430333,0.045752,0.023798667,-0.0030553333,0.006692,0.000886,-0.021929333,-0.005034,-0.0014486667,0.010406333,0.012156667,-0.0033023333,-0.0011933333,-0.0029116667,-0.0029136667,0.0018856667,0.0035436667,0.003493666 7,-0.0019783333,0.002506,-0.0013656667,0.00055866667
Poland_Medieval:Poland_Viking_Age_Cedynia_(Balto-Slavic_Profile),0.124067,0.135065,0.075424,0.07202 9,0.038469,0.027052,0.011986,0.020538,0.00634,-0.027153,-0.006171,-0.01169,0.022002,0.031516,-0.016694,-0.01127,0.002347,0.003041,0.005028,-0.001501,-0.010606,0.004946,0.007518,-0.005422,0.00479
Poland_Medieval:Poland_Viking_Age_Krakow_(Mixed_Ba lto-Slavic-Norse_Profile),0.117238,0.121864,0.067505,0.05168, 0.047701,0.018965,0.008225,-0.004615,-0.006136,-0.03098,-0.008282,-0.008542,0.006095,0.003578,0.001221,-0.024131,-0.019558,0.011275,0.004777,-0.001376,-0.022336,0.000742,0.003821,0.01446,-0.003473
Poland_Medieval:Poland_Viking_Age_Sandomierz_(Mixe d_Balto-Slavic-Finnic-Norse_Profile),0.126344,0.125926,0.085606,0.066215 ,0.051702,0.034861,0.017626,0.014307,0.003886,-0.017312,-0.006496,0.0003,0.016353,0.029314,-0.011672,-0.005171,-0.014081,0.004181,0.013073,0.002126,0.009483,0.005 812,0.005669,-0.004699,0.001078


31,248 Lithuanian_PZ
24,552 German
29,614 Danish
14,586 Sorb_Niederlausitz

[Vitez]

Target: Vitez_scaled
Distance: 0.0191% / 0.01908324 | ADC: 2x RC
38.6 Ukraine_Medieval.SG
23.5 Bulgaria_Medieval
19.7 Germany_Anderten_Saxon_Medieval
13.2 Macedonia_Medieval
5.0 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG

[Vitez]

sounds legit


Target: cass
Distance: 1.5774% / 0.01577447 | ADC: 2x RC
48.6 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval:KPN012.A_noUDG
30.8 BosniaHerzegovina_Medieval:I19561
20.6 Russia_Sunghir_Medieval.SG:Sunghir6_noUDG.SG


32,562 Danish
16,038 Sorb_Niederlausitz
30,184 Ukrainian_Rivne
20,394 Ukrainian_Lviv
0,616 Berber_MAR_TIZ
0,2060 Manyika


+ some PL medieval



31,248 Lithuanian_PZ
24,552 German
29,614 Danish
14,586 Sorb_Niederlausitz

With your samples from Poland added.

Target: Vitez_scaled
Distance: 0.0139% / 0.01393417 | ADC: 0.5x RC
23.0 Bulgaria_Medieval
19.7 Ukraine_Medieval.SG
19.0 Poland_Medievaloland_Viking_Age_Bodzia_(Mixed_Balt o-Slavic-Norse_Profile)
17.9 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG
12.7 Macedonia_Medieval
7.7 Germany_AltInden_Saxon_EMedieval

Target: Vitez_scaled
Distance: 0.0098% / 0.00979340 | ADC: 0.25x RC
33.9 Poland_Medieval
15.8 Croatia_Medieval
11.2 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG
10.4 Bulgaria_Medieval
10.1 Poland_Medievaloland_Viking_Age_Bodzia_(Mixed_Balt o-Slavic-Norse_Profile)
8.9 Spain_Medieval
6.9 Bulgaria_Medieval_oEastAsia
2.8 Germany_AltInden_Saxon_EMedieval

[Xavier727]

1) 2X RC
Target: Scaled
Distance: 0.0194% / 0.01937407 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon

2) 2 WAY
88% Norwegian + 12% Turkish_Rumeli
79% Irish + 21% Cossack_Kuban
92% Norwegian + 8% Turkish_Southwest

3) Final calculation

60.82% Norwegian
4.06% Turkish_Rumeli
26.71% Irish
5.61% Cossack_Kuban
2.70% Turkish_Southwest

[ScandinavianCelt]

Thanks. Denmark + Norway Medieval is c. 85% for me so it makes sense i guess it's mostly a mix of West Germanic/Gaulish

https://i.postimg.cc/3wNrkBDR/Capturemodelsc1.png

looks about 50-50 Celtic-Germanic @ 6th C BC

[ScandinavianCelt]

1) 2X RC
Target: Scaled
Distance: 0.0194% / 0.01937407 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon

2) 2 WAY
88% Norwegian + 12% Turkish_Rumeli
79% Irish + 21% Cossack_Kuban
92% Norwegian + 8% Turkish_Southwest

3) Final calculation

60.82% Norwegian
4.06% Turkish_Rumeli
26.71% Irish
5.61% Cossack_Kuban
2.70% Turkish_Southwest

So now we know how you end up so Norwegian for an Englishman! Your Saxons were heavily Norwegian!

Did you get three different England_Saxons at 2x?

My 2nd closest distanced sample is an English Saxon and it's two-way looks like this:

83% Irish + 17% Slovakian

This is the sample:

England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I0161,0.130897,0.13100 3,0.059208,0.048773,0.040623,0.022311,0.00423,0.00 6,0.002454,0.005467,-0.001786,0.004946,-0.009217,-0.013074,0.021444,0.010077,0,0.005828,0.004525,0.0 06253,0.006613,-0.003833,0.001849,0.015303,0.003473

The Drantum sample is my closest distanced one. Oddly enough it's Icelandic 96% and Kenyan 4%. It's the Anderten Saxon for me that brings me my Norwegian.

[cass]

looks about 50-50 Celtic-Germanic @ 6th C BC

Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval:KPN012.A_noUDG,0.13 2035,0.137096,0.065242,0.056848,0.044624,0.016455, 0.003525,0.011538,-0.002659,-0.003645,-0.006171,-0.001349,-0.005649,-0.006331,0.002443,0.001061,0.002608,-0.002534,0.00264,0.005002,0.008111,-0.000618,0.000739,0.001446,-0.005987

67% Danish + 33% Sorb_Niederlausitz
61% Danish + 39% Slovakian
57% Scottish + 43% Sorb_Niederlausitz
58% Orcadian + 42% Sorb_Niederlausitz
56% English + 44% Sorb_Niederlausitz
54% Irish + 46% Sorb_Niederlausitz
57% Welsh + 43% Sorb_Niederlausitz
62% Dutch + 38% Sorb_Niederlausitz
53% Icelandic + 47% Slovakian
62% Norwegian + 38% Sorb_Niederlausitz


A completely expected result.

[ScandinavianCelt]

After removing outlier, 100% Macedonia in 2x


Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.0900% / 0.02089952 | ADC: 1x RC
65.8 Macedonia_Medieval
25.2 Ukraine_Medieval.SG
9.0 BosniaHerzegovina_Medieval

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 3.1344% / 0.03134411 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Macedonia_Medieval

Okay, so you come out like this:

63% Italian_Liguria + 37% Russian_Orel

[Xavier727]

So now we know how you end up so Norwegian for an Englishman! Your Saxons were heavily Norwegian!

Did you get three different England_Saxons at 2x?

My 2nd closest distanced sample is an English Saxon and it's two-way looks like this:

83% Irish + 17% Slovakian

This is the sample:

England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I0161,0.130897,0.13100 3,0.059208,0.048773,0.040623,0.022311,0.00423,0.00 6,0.002454,0.005467,-0.001786,0.004946,-0.009217,-0.013074,0.021444,0.010077,0,0.005828,0.004525,0.0 06253,0.006613,-0.003833,0.001849,0.015303,0.003473

The Drantum sample is my closest distanced one. Oddly enough it's Icelandic 96% and Kenyan 4%. It's the Anderten Saxon for me that brings me my Norwegian.
It was just one on the 2x

Target: scaled
Distance: 0.0194% / 0.01937407 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon

Can you find out what the 2 way looks like for my Saxon sample ?

[Petalpusher]

Target: Petalpusher
Distance: 2.3702% / 0.02370167
19.6 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval
17.2 Italy_Sardinia_Medieval
14.8 Italy_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_o
14.8 Netherlands_Friesland_Saxon_Medieval
14.0 England_EarlyMedieval
7.4 Ireland_Kilteasheen_AngloSaxon_EMedieval_Norman
7.4 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval
3.8 Germany_EarlyMedieval_o3.SG
0.8 Germany_Schortens_Saxon_EMedieval
0.2 Germany_EarlyMedieval_o1.SG


Target: Petalpusher
Distance: 2.6994% / 0.02699403 | ADC: 1x RC
43.8 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R12 24.SG
19.8 Norway_Medieval.SG:VK118_noUDG.SG
19.6 Germany_AltInden_Saxon_EMedieval:IND007.A_noUDG
16.8 England_EarlyMedieval:I14542


Target: Petalpusher
Distance: 3.2069% / 0.03206920 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R12 24.SG



Distance to: Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R12 24.SG
0.02113523 Europe_West_Central:Continental_Gaulish
0.02913836 Europe_West_Central:Noricum_Celts
0.03161230 Europe_Southwest:Ligurians_Salluvii
0.03878900 Europe_Northwest:Armoricans
0.04028100 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_EnglandS


Distance to: Norway_Medieval.SG:VK118_noUDG.SG
0.02928414 Europe_West_Central:Continental_Gaulish
0.03299766 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_EnglandS
0.03381406 Europe_Northwest:Caledonian_Scotland
0.03591711 Europe_Northwest:West_Germanic
0.03738116 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_EnglandN


Distance to: Germany_AltInden_Saxon_EMedieval:IND007.A_noUDG
0.02835612 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_EnglandS
0.02837284 Europe_West_Central:Continental_Gaulish
0.03096702 Europe_Northwest:Armoricans
0.03139279 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_Cornwall
0.03557357 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_WalesS2_I16405


Distance to: England_EarlyMedieval:I14542
0.02400318 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_EnglandS
0.02616661 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_EnglandN
0.02641014 Europe_Northwest:Caledonian_Scotland
0.02838696 Europe_Northwest:Brittonic_Cornwall
0.02858843 Europe_West_Central:Continental_Gaulish


Exploreyourdna.com

53% Danish + 47% Basque_Soule



Distance to: Petalpusher
0.03206920 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R12 24.SG
0.03535463 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval:GRO024.A
0.03736885 England_EarlyMedieval:I14542
0.03752377 Germany_AltInden_Saxon_EMedieval:IND007.A_noUDG
0.03760823 England_EarlyMedieval:I14536
0.03824234 Norway_Medieval.SG:VK118_noUDG.SG
0.03850144 England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644
0.03956063 Italy_PalazzoDellaCancelleria_Roman_Medieval_possi ble.SG:R1294.SG
0.03979500 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval:GRO012.A
0.04033444 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2:CL63
0.04064495 England_EarlyMedieval:I14538
0.04065896 Germany_Schleswig_Saxon_LMedieval:SWG015.A
0.04112508 Ireland_Kilteasheen_AngloSaxon_EMedieval_Norman:KI L042.A_noUDG
0.04117502 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1:CL102
0.04126714 Lebanon_Medieval_o2.SG:SI-47_noUDG.SG
0.04237327 Germany_AltInden_Saxon_EMedieval:IND002.A_noUDG
0.04327441 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval:KPN009.A_noUDG
0.04347320 France_Medieval_o:I15027
0.04374698 Germany_Anderten_Saxon_Medieval:ADN005_noUDG
0.04410841 England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20659
0.04442073 England_EarlyMedieval:I11579
0.04487271 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1:CL84
0.04543304 Germany_Schleswig_Saxon_LMedieval:SWG006.A_noUDG
0.04549029 Italy_PalazzoDellaCancelleria_Medieval_oEurope.SG: R1223.SG
0.04591084 England_EarlyMedieval:I16389



That's what you want to do

[Dušan]

Okay, so you come out like this:

63% Italian_Liguria + 37% Russian_Orel

Yes.

Now doing it for x1


Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.0900% / 0.02089952 | ADC: 1x RC
65.8 Macedonia_Medieval:I2530
25.2 Ukraine_Medieval.SG:VK541_noUDG.SG
9.0 BosniaHerzegovina_Medieval:I19561


65.8 Macedonia_Medieval:I2530 = 63% Italian_Liguria + 37% Russian_Orel
25.2 Ukraine_Medieval.SG:VK541_noUDG.SG = 71% Lithuanian_RA + 29% Rumelia_East
9.0 BosniaHerzegovina_Medieval:I19561 = 99% Ukrainian_Lviv + 1% Manyika


Dušan_scaled
Italian_Liguria 41.5%
Russian_Orel 24.3%
Lithuanian_RA 17.9%
Rumelia_East 7.3%
Ukrainian_Lviv 8.9%

[frankhammer]

Target: fh_scaled
Distance: 1.1565% / 0.01156474
28.0 England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon
17.2 Ireland_Kilteasheen_AngloSaxon_EMedieval_Norman
11.2 Italy_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_o
10.6 Germany_AltInden_Saxon_EMedieval
8.6 Germany_Schleswig_Saxon_LMedieval
6.6 England_EarlyMedieval
5.6 Germany_Dunum_Saxon_Medieval
3.8 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval
3.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1
2.8 Estonia_Medieval.SG
1.4 Germany_EarlyMedieval_o1.SG
1.0 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_3

Target: fh_scaled
Distance: 1.9360% / 0.01936045 | ADC: 2x RC
60.6 Germany_AltInden_Saxon_EMedieval
39.4 England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon

[ScandinavianCelt]

It was just one on the 2x

Target: scaled
Distance: 0.0194% / 0.01937407 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon

Can you find out what the 2 way looks like for my Saxon sample ?

You have to run the calc not aggregated to see which sample(s) you get at 2x. I only see it's England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon, but which one? And if only one, why did you put 3 different 2-way results?

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: fh_scaled
Distance: 1.1565% / 0.01156474
28.0 England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon
17.2 Ireland_Kilteasheen_AngloSaxon_EMedieval_Norman
11.2 Italy_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_o
10.6 Germany_AltInden_Saxon_EMedieval
8.6 Germany_Schleswig_Saxon_LMedieval
6.6 England_EarlyMedieval
5.6 Germany_Dunum_Saxon_Medieval
3.8 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval
3.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1
2.8 Estonia_Medieval.SG
1.4 Germany_EarlyMedieval_o1.SG
1.0 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_3

Target: fh_scaled
Distance: 1.9360% / 0.01936045 | ADC: 2x RC
60.6 Germany_AltInden_Saxon_EMedieval
39.4 England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon

Now find the specific 2-way results for each of your 2x pieces, then you can calculate their percentages based on your 60.6-39.4 results

[JerryS.]

Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 2.0226% / 0.02022577 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval




Your result is:

74% Shetlandic + 26% Italian_Aosta_Valley
77% Shetlandic + 23% Spanish_Mallorca
81% Shetlandic + 19% Spanish_Extremadura
77% Shetlandic + 23% Spanish_Penedes
81% Shetlandic + 19% Portuguese
77% Shetlandic + 23% Italian_Northeast
80% Shetlandic + 20% Italian_Veneto
84% Shetlandic + 16% Italian_Tuscany
79% Shetlandic + 21% Spanish_Cataluna
79% Shetlandic + 21% Spanish_Baleares

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 2.0226% / 0.02022577 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval




Your result is:

74% Shetlandic + 26% Italian_Aosta_Valley
77% Shetlandic + 23% Spanish_Mallorca
81% Shetlandic + 19% Spanish_Extremadura
77% Shetlandic + 23% Spanish_Penedes
81% Shetlandic + 19% Portuguese
77% Shetlandic + 23% Italian_Northeast
80% Shetlandic + 20% Italian_Veneto
84% Shetlandic + 16% Italian_Tuscany
79% Shetlandic + 21% Spanish_Cataluna
79% Shetlandic + 21% Spanish_Baleares

Jerry, please read the specific directions. This is not the Medieval modeling purpose.

[JerryS.]

Jerry, please read the specific directions. This is not the Medieval modeling purpose.

I just copied and pasted my G25 in the link you provided.

[JerryS.]

Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 2.0226% / 0.02022577 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval:GRO012.A




Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval:GRO012.A,0.13 0897,0.139128,0.054682,0.040698,0.042469,0.018407, 0.00376,0.008077,0.001023,0.003098,0.00065,0.00824 3,-0.011744,-0.003853,0.017372,0.006895,0,-0.000887,-0.000503,0.005628,0.011605,0.007666,0.000493,0.007 35,0

Your result is:

85% Welsh + 15% Bosnian
86% Welsh + 14% Montenegrin
79% Danish + 21% Italian_Veneto
55% Welsh + 45% German
83% Danish + 17% Italian_Tuscany
74% Danish + 26% Italian_Aosta_Valley
85% Danish + 15% Italian_Umbria
87% Welsh + 13% Moldovan
96% Welsh + 4% Georgian_Svan
96% Welsh + 4% Georgian_Megr


Is this it?

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: JerryS_scaled
Distance: 2.0226% / 0.02022577 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval:GRO012.A




Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval:GRO012.A,0.13 0897,0.139128,0.054682,0.040698,0.042469,0.018407, 0.00376,0.008077,0.001023,0.003098,0.00065,0.00824 3,-0.011744,-0.003853,0.017372,0.006895,0,-0.000887,-0.000503,0.005628,0.011605,0.007666,0.000493,0.007 35,0

Your result is:

85% Welsh + 15% Bosnian
86% Welsh + 14% Montenegrin
79% Danish + 21% Italian_Veneto
55% Welsh + 45% German
83% Danish + 17% Italian_Tuscany
74% Danish + 26% Italian_Aosta_Valley
85% Danish + 15% Italian_Umbria
87% Welsh + 13% Moldovan
96% Welsh + 4% Georgian_Svan
96% Welsh + 4% Georgian_Megr


Is this it?

Yes, it looks right. So you only have one piece at 2x so no further calculation needed!

[Tacitus]

I think I got it.

Target: Tacitus_G25sim
Distance: 1.6890% / 0.01689035 | ADC: 2x RC
55.0 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern.SG:R58.SG
45.0 Italy_Tuscany_Siena_EarlyMedieval:ETR003

Italy_Tuscany_Siena_EarlyMedieval:ETR003: 60% Spanish_La_Rioja + 40% Armenian_Urfa
Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern.SG:R58.SG: 91% Italian_Basilicata + 9% Moroccan_Jew

45.5% Italian_Basilicata
30% Spanish_La_Rioja
20% Armenian_Urfa
4.5% Moroccan_Jew

[ScandinavianCelt]

I think I got it.

Target: Tacitus_G25sim
Distance: 1.6890% / 0.01689035 | ADC: 2x RC
55.0 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern.SG:R58.SG
45.0 Italy_Tuscany_Siena_EarlyMedieval:ETR003

Italy_Tuscany_Siena_EarlyMedieval:ETR003: 60% Spanish_La_Rioja + 40% Armenian_Urfa
Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern.SG:R58.SG: 91% Italian_Basilicata + 9% Moroccan_Jew

45.5% Italian_Basilicata
30% Spanish_La_Rioja
20% Armenian_Urfa
4.5% Moroccan_Jew

would be slightly different as your 2x is 45-55, so Spanish 27%, Armenian 18%, Italian 50%, MoroccanJew 5%

[Xavier727]

You have to run the calc not aggregated to see which sample(s) you get at 2x. I only see it's England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon, but which one? And if only one, why did you put 3 different 2-way results?

Alright if use only that one sample I get this,

I used the first three results in the 2way

83% Irish + 17% Slovakian
85% Norwegian + 15% Italian_Aosta_Valley
91% Norwegian + 9% Italian_Umbria

Final Aggregated Percentages:
Irish: 27.67%
Slovakian: 5.67%
Norwegian: 58.67%
Italian Aosta Valley: 5.00%
Italian Umbria: 3.00%