Bronze Age Doppelgänger

[Athalafuns]

If you were to be transported to some point in the Bronze Age, where and when would you find your most resembling individual?

Just take all the Vahaduo ancient samples (not averages) and look for the first Bronze Age reference you get in distance. With a little online research you can find out its archaeological context. It may take you a few minutes, but it will be interesting.

Mine is France_EBA:I10348, a male R1b/H1e individual, buried in Le Lauzet-Ubaye, lower branch of the Rhône Culture.


https://i.postimg.cc/SRtkmXDt/Captura.jpg (https://postimages.org/)https://i.postimg.cc/T1KBqtJC/Captura2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


https://i.postimg.cc/vBYvsD1n/220px-Dagger-P4140344-black.jpg (https://postimages.org/)https://i.postimg.cc/PqS00CKL/asdf.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


Share your result if you find it interesting. It can also be enriching to compare it with your phenotype: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?381416-I-need-help-(Classify-amp-Pass)

[Eurafricanid]

Mine's this from Late Bronze-Age Hungary, I don't know which culture it's from, but it seems to be associated with migrations to the British Isles:


Male, Y- R-S18462, Mt- H79b1

Hungary_LBA:I25504


<tbody style="scrollbar-width: auto; scrollbar-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.467) rgba(28, 28, 28, 0);">
Distance to:
Eurafricanid-EU


0.02608055
Croatia_EIA:I23911


0.02624340
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2:CL94


0.02704575
Hungary_Langobard_o2:SZ28


0.02759994
Hungary_LBA:I25504


0.02837817
Spain_Medieval:I10895


</tbody>

It's quite close for a BA sample, But it makes sense when you compare our percentages:


Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 2.7766% / 0.02776589
55.4 ANF
31.0 Yamnaya
10.2 WHG
2.6 Natufian
0.8 Iran_N

Target: Hungary_LBA:I25504
Distance: 2.6169% / 0.02616879
58.2 ANF
30.6 Yamnaya
11.2 WHG



Of course, I'm using my european 1/2, since using my whole coordinates wouldn't make sense, since I'm a modern mixture and the "closest" BA isn't even close at all.

[Athalafuns]

Mine's this from Late Bronze-Age Hungary, I don't know which culture it's from
Transdanubian Urnfield, Gáva-Holigrady Culture I would say, or very related to it.

https://i.postimg.cc/65QYTBVK/Diadema-d-oro.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[gixajo]

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.02423126 France_EBA:I10348__BC_1692__Cov_69.61%

[Upsilander]

Czech_LBA_Knoviz:I20526 it appears.



The Knovíz culture (Czech: Knovízská kultura) was an upper Danubian subgroup of the Late Bronze Age Urnfield culture, located mainly in Bohemia, Thuringia, and Bavaria.[1][2] The eponymous type site for this culture, the Czech village of Knovíz

The Knovíz culture featured a distinctive type of horse, which may have been the predecessor of the so-called 'Celtic' or 'Germanic' pony. There is evidence that the people of this culture practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism. Archaeological and genetic evidence tentatively suggests that the people of the Knovíz culture may have been ethnically Celtic.

Lovely

[Athalafuns]

...
I'm afraid this is a kind of horoscope: only time will tell whether it is right or wrong.

[EasternLusitanian]

Mine's this from Late Bronze-Age Hungary, I don't know which culture it's from, but it seems to be associated with migrations to the British Isles:


Male, Y- R-S18462, Mt- H79b1

Hungary_LBA:I25504


<tbody style="scrollbar-width: auto; scrollbar-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.467) rgba(28, 28, 28, 0);">
Distance to:
Eurafricanid-EU


0.02608055
Croatia_EIA:I23911


0.02624340
Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2:CL94


0.02704575
Hungary_Langobard_o2:SZ28


0.02759994
Hungary_LBA:I25504


0.02837817
Spain_Medieval:I10895


</tbody>

It's quite close for a BA sample, But it makes sense when you compare our percentages:


Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 2.7766% / 0.02776589
55.4 ANF
31.0 Yamnaya
10.2 WHG
2.6 Natufian
0.8 Iran_N

Target: Hungary_LBA:I25504
Distance: 2.6169% / 0.02616879
58.2 ANF
30.6 Yamnaya
11.2 WHG



Of course, I'm using my european 1/2, since using my whole coordinates wouldn't make sense, since I'm a modern mixture and the "closest" BA isn't even close at all.

Exactly the same for me

[Athalafuns]

Exactly the same for me
Y Gixajo tiene el mismo que yo, así que imagino que entre ambos samples se representa todo o casi todo el clúster español contemporáneo.

[EasternLusitanian]

Puede ser, aunque yo lo tengo bastante lejos, creo que es el sample 40 o así:

Distance to: MV_scaled
0.04389986 Hungary_LBA:I25504

[Tacitus]

Neat idea.


0.04639436 Greece_Logkas_MBA.SG:Log02.SG

From the Helladic Culture of mainland Greece, female, mtDNA H55a.


Burial 22.1 (peribolos22: KZ13 XI, XII) - individual Log02.
The burial 22.1 is the main among three pithos-inhumations and one secondary burial760
inside the "peribolos 22" (Karamitrou-Mentessidi and Theodorou, 2013; Karamitrou-
Mentessidi, 2012). The grave itself is bordered by rough stones, with the buried individual
laid on a ceramic “stretcher”. Several vertical lines are still visible on the skeletal remains
(Figure S1). The individual of the burial 22.1 was found in a supine position with the
hands crossed on the abdomen, the legs bent in a crouched position to the left, and the765
skull turned to the right side. There were no gravegoods found in the burials of this
peribolos, apart from a clay necklace with many almond-like and round beads, belonging
to the female individual of burial 22.1.

https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0092867421003706-gr1.jpg

[Gallop]

Distance to: Gallop_scaled (Ancestry)
0.03739781 Provence_BA:FRA_SouthEast_EBA:BC2100_B_k4c
0.03839187 Italia_BA:ITA_ReginaMargherita_BA:k2

Distance to: Gallop_scaled (FTDNA)
0.03845262 Italia_BA:ITA_ReginaMargherita_BA:k2
0.03908658 Provence_BA:FRA_SouthEast_EBA:BC2100_B_k4c


Distance to: brother_scaled
0.03934132 Italia_BA:ITA_ReginaMargherita_BA:k2

He encontrado esto, otra cosa no puedo decir. Por lo visto la provenza es la primera región conquistada por Roma fuera de la península itálica, me acabo de enterar.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Claudio-Cavazzuti/publication/351319803/figure/fig1/AS:1019753107820544@1620139495298/Grotta-Regina-Margheritas-location-in-relation-to-southern-Lazios-main-landscape-zones.ppm

Mi padre tiene un paquete a 0.04

Father

Distance to: Father_scaled
0.04143091 Italia_BA:ITA_ReginaMargherita_BA:k2
0.04269972 Dinaric_BA:HRV_Bezdanjaca_BA:BC1150_k16c
0.04387264 SRB_BA:BC1950_k7c
0.04400478 HUN_BA:HUN_BA:BC2300_2050_k2
0.04416375 Provence_BA:FRA_SouthEast_EBA:BC2100_B_k4c
0.04496633 Dinaric_BA:HRV_Bezdanjaca_BA:BC1500_k7c
0.04546534 Occitania_BA:FRA_Occitanie_EMBA:BC2400_1650_k6c
0.04704509 Italia_BA:ITA_Broion_BA:BC1700_1500_k3c
0.04744262 Iberia_BA:Baleares_LBA:k4c
0.04772815 Italia_BA:ITA_PianSultano_BA:k4c
0.04788379 Dinaric_BA:Dalmatia_HRV_MBA:BC1750_1450_k8c
0.04788379 Dinaric_BA:Dalmatia_HRV_MBA:BC1750_1450_k8c
0.04842843 Dinaric_BA:Istria_HRV_MBA:BC1375_k3c
0.04842843 Dinaric_BA:Istria_HRV_MBA:BC1375_k3c
0.04960949 HUN_BA:HUN_MBA_Vatya:BC1750_1600_k4c
0.04983083 Alpine_EBA:DEU_Lech_EBA:BC2100_1650_k17c

[Petalpusher]

Czech_LBA_Knoviz:I20526 it appears.



The Knovíz culture (Czech: Knovízská kultura) was an upper Danubian subgroup of the Late Bronze Age Urnfield culture, located mainly in Bohemia, Thuringia, and Bavaria.[1][2] The eponymous type site for this culture, the Czech village of Knovíz

The Knovíz culture featured a distinctive type of horse, which may have been the predecessor of the so-called 'Celtic' or 'Germanic' pony. There is evidence that the people of this culture practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism. Archaeological and genetic evidence tentatively suggests that the people of the Knovíz culture may have been ethnically Celtic.

Lovely

0.02924190 Czech_LBA_Knoviz:I13793

Just another well adjusted neighbour.

[cass]

That would be Central Europe

Distance to: cass
0.02860839 Hungary_Fuzesabony_MBA:I20750__BC_1950__Cov_42.70%
0.02936685 Hungary_Fuzesabony_MBA:I20772__BC_1950__Cov_unknow n
0.03146947 Germany_BellBeaker:I5531__BC_2300__Cov_52.99%
0.03217234 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz:I16089__BC_1050__Cov_69.35%
0.03569669 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS002__BC_1933__Cov_74.54%
0.03728224 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
0.03770016 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4136__BC_2300__Cov_21.24%
0.03807831 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14192__BC_1900__Cov_57.26%
0.03828602 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB083__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03838591 Czechia_MBA_Tumulus:I16100__BC_1375__Cov_50.20%
0.03904737 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.04040677 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB072__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.04073161 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB045__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04075512 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB052__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04126704 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I4130__BC_2300__Cov_19.27%
0.04136802 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7249__BC_2061__Cov_66.26%
0.04147679 Denmark_N_Kolind:NEO739__BC_2021__Cov_unknown
0.04153317 England_MBA:I2448__BC_1250__Cov_42.66%
0.04155211 Hungary_LBA:I11665__BC_1150__Cov_69.59%
0.04155422 Poland_Trzciniec_MBA:poz655__BC_1402__Cov_21.19%
0.04165052 Czechia_BA_Veterov_2:I7949__BC_1072__Cov_72.91%
0.04170673 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB075__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04206301 Poland_Trzciniec_MBA:poz720__BC_1268__Cov_46.60%
0.04217380 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU025__BC_2050__Cov_40.77%
0.04219305 Hungary_Füzesabony_MBA:I11659__BC_1950__Cov_15.35%


https://i.ibb.co/W0cbRdq/Vahaduo-Global-25-Europe-2-PCA.png (https://ibb.co/hcKPTnh)

Generally, Poles can be modeled as 37% Knoviz, 22,4% Unetice, 13% Trzciniec

https://i.ibb.co/nkyw0gY/Zrzut-ekranu-22-9-2024-1421-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://ibb.co/MNHgh2t)


Unfortunately, there are no G25 samples of the Lusatian culture. I think that it is there, and not in Knoviz, that we should look for the ancestors of the Slavs.

https://html.scirp.org/file/4-1590897x7.png?20230324164423348

[Beowulf]

<tbody>
Distance to:
Beowulf_Scaled






0.02464007
Czech_BellBeaker:I4885





</tbody>

https://archaeologymag.com/wp-content/uploads/bell-beaker-3.jpg

:)

[Athalafuns]

Unfortunately, there are no G25 samples of the Lusatian culture. I think that it is there, and not in Knoviz, that we should look for the ancestors of the Slavs.
I agree, this thread is more of a game, we would need many more samples from all over Europe.

[Solitude]

coord no isolated Hungary_BA.SG:SZ1.SG

coord isolated appear England_MBA_highEEF:I13716

[cass]

I agree, this thread is more of a game, we would need many more samples from all over Europe.

Where cremation was practiced (including the Lusatian Culture and early Slavs), the samples are naturally rarer.