View Full Version : GAC vs MAC (V2)
Upsilander
09-24-2024, 06:58 AM
Sort of a Version 2 of the "Test your GAC". Eurafricanid had a good idea to try with a Macedonian Neolithic against GAC (credits to him).
Along a few fixes for low coverage Natufian and PPNB.
(Scaled)
Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%,0.081953 ,0.09546,-0.101445,-0.002261,-0.09848,0.015339,0.032666,-0.004154,-0.159529,-0.105332,-0.001137,0.030273,-0.073141,-0.000275,0.057274,-0.011005,0.08814,0.003927,-0.03595,0.060154,0.07075,-0.020155,-0.005669,-0.04832,-0.001197
China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%,-0.027318,-0.260991,-0.075424,0.071383,0.033545,-0.018407,-0.00799,-0.003,0.040291,0.021322,-0.006333,-0.005995,-0.003568,-0.00523,-0.000407,-0.000663,0.008084,0.002407,-0.001131,0.027263,-0.001747,0.008037,-0.008874,-0.010845,0.011256
Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%,0.130897,0.109677,0.203645,0.198,0.1 62492,0.059125,0.015041,0.038075,0.100217,0.016219 ,-0.015427,-0.017235,0.019921,-0.001239,0.061346,0.07067,0.002608,0.007348,-0.008925,0.065406,0.117543,0.010387,-0.049422,-0.173639,0.019519
Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%,0.121791,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0 .156029,0.060798,0.017626,0.041537,0.093467,0.0178 59,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801
Israel_Natufian:I0861,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735
Israel_PPNB:I0867,0.07057,0.174671,-0.032809,-0.147612,0.03693,-0.068886,-0.018331,-0.00923,0.077719,0.043554,0.011205,-0.012589,0.0278,-0.006744,-0.02348,0.009944,0.02034,-0.008742,-0.001885,0.024637,0.000749,0.007048,-0.004807,-0.005422,-0.008742
Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %,0.079676,-0.023357,0.037335,0.186695,-0.070475,0.046575,-0.047472,-0.054921,-0.020452,-0.06925,0.028743,-0.010041,0.015907,-0.044865,0.017372,0.023071,-0.007302,0.00228,-0.00352,-0.00025,-0.028699,0.00371,0.011832,-0.006989,-0.002155
China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%,0.012521,-0.439724,0.062979,-0.050065,-0.029852,-0.029284,0.003055,0.001385,0.010022,0.011299,-0.045144,0.004196,-0.000297,0.001514,-0.007057,-0.010475,0.004824,0.006968,0.006034,0.02051,-0.00025,-0.015333,-0.011832,-0.005302,-0.020597
Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%,-0.191223,0.08632,-0.024136,-0.079781,0.021542,-0.06024,-0.069798,0.028153,0.16096,0.003462,0.014615,-0.035968,0.079236,-0.052297,0.077496,-0.051577,-0.004042,-0.062077,-0.152723,0.03214,-0.042425,-0.122045,0.066307,-0.014098,0.014849
Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%,-0.196914,0.08632,-0.017725,-0.089794,0.028005,-0.060519,-0.074028,0.017768,0.157688,0.000182,0.015914,-0.037916,0.084588,-0.053398,0.066639,-0.038053,0.01004,-0.069679,-0.149204,0.036768,-0.038432,-0.130083,0.067417,-0.014942,0.020836
Oceanian_Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048
Amerindian_Native,0.0529278,-0.328016,0.1120048,0.0774392,-0.1061738,-0.0184068,-0.1983488,-0.2347978,-0.0037325,-0.020137,0.0082817,-0.0034098,0.0063925,6.87e-05,-0.0151328,-0.004508,-0.0005215,0.0032622,0.0115015,0.0073472,0.0038682,-0.0107578,0.0027115,0.0062055,0.0092805
East_Asian,0.0229543,-0.445479,0.0130733,-0.059109,0.0362118,0.0093428,0.003525,0.0005768,-0.0065105,0.0106607,-0.0740492,-0.0074685,0.011546,-0.0070647,-0.0110612,-0.004464,0.0003042,0.0035895,0.001676,-0.0092547,0.0270355,-0.01659,0.0049093,0.003374,-0.0419723
African_Nigerian,-0.6321452,0.064613,0.02324,0.0182899,-0.0031929,0.0146768,-0.0412151,0.0464115,-0.0510541,0.0350349,0.0082612,-0.0014613,0.0233582,0.0032685,0.012147,-0.0095133,0.0067475,0.003294,0.006065,-0.0035332,0.0003899,0.0012829,-0.000724,-0.0002561,-0.000928
GlobularAmphora:I2433,0.130897,0.17264,0.054305,-0.016796,0.084631,-0.024821,-0.00094,0.006231,0.054403,0.075992,-0.00682,0.011839,-0.017839,-0.013487,-0.003664,0.004508,0.007171,0.007221,0.002891,-0.003877,0.012104,0.010263,-0.013557,-0.016267,-0.008382
Nganasan,0.04607556,-0.40763356,0.1544837,0.00202844,-0.15847882,-0.08824092,0.02761354,0.0420029,0.02909144,0.01285 488,0.10069696,0.00973238,-0.0049267,-0.02773364,-0.02081676,-0.01034464,0.00331436,0.01400164,0.02512448,-0.00024764,0.04220558,-0.01291678,0.03254234,-0.00104348,0.01370884
Iran_N,0.0450478,0.0725128,-0.1507442,-0.0065076,-0.1148557,0.0178132,0.0139621,-0.0018905,-0.0756186,-0.0496011,-0.00099,-0.002099,0.00474,-0.0059417,0.0266246,0.0516964,-0.0069899,0.0050295,0.0132112,-0.0320451,0.0075763,-0.0249938,-0.0090666,-0.0350722,0.0195965
Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%,0.125 205,0.034528,0.137272,0.204137,-0.015695,0.057451,-0.026791,-0.03046,-0.01084,-0.090571,0.025982,-0.009591,0.022745,-0.048581,0.019679,0.016309,-0.022426,0.0019,-0.006913,0.017258,-0.004617,0.011747,0.007025,-0.020485,-0.008502
AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3,0.093335,-0.01828,0.083344,0.231592,-0.091402,0.042949,-0.063688,-0.078228,-0.035383,-0.096221,0.047417,-0.010491,0.023637,-0.074454,0.020358,0.02254,-0.012908,0.003801,-0.003394,0.000625,-0.03706,0.015209,0.013927,0.009278,-0.005149
Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%,0.125205,0. 183811,0.001508,-0.105299,0.060627,-0.046296,0.00141,-0.001385,0.041109,0.087291,0.016239,0.01169,-0.026462,0.00234,-0.042073,-0.011535,0.025295,-0.00076,0.014204,-0.011881,-0.017344,0.009521,-0.003081,0.002651,-0.009939
As usual No RP/No ADC. Admix + Distance
For me the distance is exactly the same with Macedonia_N but it should improve it for some people and help separate West and East influences.
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 5.3547% / 0.05354719
52.8 GlobularAmphora
30.0 Russia_Karelia_HG
10.0 Macedonia_N
7.2 Georgia_CHG
Distance to: Upsilander_Scaled
0.13053744 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.21323039 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.25827714 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.26760271 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.29502814 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.30371019 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.32719822 Iran_N
0.33551439 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.34681081 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.35459172 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.36295895 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.47120539 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.49588906 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.50152433 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.60282753 Amerindian_Native
0.61609628 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.62188645 East_Asian
0.62736986 Nganasan
0.78990532 African_Nigerian
0.82243844 Oceanian_Papuan
Grace O'Malley
09-24-2024, 07:02 AM
Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.14733303 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.23312589 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.24369002 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.27810952 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.27852970 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.30635681 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.31971005 Iran_N
0.33006097 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.33232889 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.34526690 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.35876047 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45942029 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.49317163 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.49939998 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.59107767 Amerindian_Native
0.60799554 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.61401707 East_Asian
0.62174959 Nganasan
0.78416982 African_Nigerian
0.81291249 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 5.5341% / 0.05534052
58.6 GlobularAmphora
30.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
10.6 Georgia_CHG
Anatolya
09-24-2024, 07:03 AM
As one of the first posters tried this way on the other thread, i'll start:
Edit: Grace was faster haha
Target: Anatolya_scaled
Distance: 3.0982% / 0.03098231
35.6 Macedonia_N
33.6 Iran_N
9.4 Georgia_CHG
9.4 Russia_Karelia_HG
7.8 Israel_PPNB
2.6 Israel_Natufian
1.6 East_Asian
Petalpusher
09-24-2024, 07:17 AM
Target: Petalpusher
Distance: 5.2606% / 0.05260562
66.2 GlobularAmphora
22.4 Russia_Karelia_HG
7.8 Georgia_CHG
3.6 Macedonia_N
Distance to: Petalpusher
0.11089304 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.19660094 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.25583004 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.27916433 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.29821636 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.31345296 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.33184966 Iran_N
0.34015418 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.35950318 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.36572591 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.36783374 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.48163395 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.49333008 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.49899604 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.61534380 Amerindian_Native
0.62817026 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.63295182 East_Asian
0.64204111 Nganasan
0.79156345 African_Nigerian
0.82783363 Oceanian_Papuan
gixajo
09-24-2024, 07:21 AM
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.0801% / 0.03080137
64.8 GlobularAmphora
14.2 Russia_Karelia_HG
8.6 Macedonia_N
5.4 Georgia_CHG
4.8 Iran_N
2.2 Morocco_Taforalt
Feiichy
09-24-2024, 07:23 AM
Target: Feiichy_scaled
Distance: 6.4038% / 0.06403809
45.2 Macedonia_N
30.2 Russia_Karelia_HG
10.6 Georgia_CHG
7.6 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
6.4 GlobularAmphora
Distance to: Feiichy_scaled
0.14233075 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.20647237 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.25511030 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.26961130 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.29205016 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.29301399 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.30736336 Iran_N
0.33479038 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.34826491 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.35123216 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.37651205 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45381302 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.48848839 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.49246668 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.59426618 Amerindian_Native
0.60050040 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.60552658 East_Asian
0.61768037 Nganasan
0.77471710 African_Nigerian
0.81143146 Oceanian_Papuan
Gallop
09-24-2024, 07:30 AM
Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.09164003 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.16469893 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.20869220 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.24961931 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.30515330 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.30977204 Iran_N
0.32039112 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.34848691 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.35668186 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.38021508 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.38526348 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.44626031 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.45213384 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.45364757 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.60318873 Amerindian_Native
0.60338973 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.60905674 East_Asian
0.62283851 Nganasan
0.75402406 African_Nigerian
0.81082711 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.8833% / 0.02883261
61.6 GlobularAmphora
14.0 Russia_Karelia_HG
8.4 Georgia_CHG
8.2 Macedonia_N
4.8 Morocco_Taforalt
3.0 Iran_N
Gallop
09-24-2024, 07:32 AM
Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 3.1415% / 0.03141549
56.0 GlobularAmphora
15.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
13.6 Macedonia_N
7.2 Georgia_CHG
4.2 Morocco_Taforalt
2.2 Iran_N
1.2 African_Nigerian
Distance to: Father_scaled
0.09289444 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.16356771 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.20800331 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.24843357 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.30561702 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.31080169 Iran_N
0.32127412 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.35133678 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.35826199 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.38053116 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.38700874 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.44376389 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.44884207 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.45731899 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.60292408 Amerindian_Native
0.60463403 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.61083062 East_Asian
0.62374470 Nganasan
0.74822128 African_Nigerian
0.81534530 Oceanian_Papuan
Gallop
09-24-2024, 07:33 AM
Distance to: brother_scaled
0.08780285 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.15759451 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.20149847 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.24388974 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.30995680 Iran_N
0.31154090 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.32541795 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.35425586 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.36032129 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.38551852 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.38934409 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.44099615 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.44635992 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.45697800 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.60704135 Amerindian_Native
0.60786168 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.61291021 East_Asian
0.62922420 Nganasan
0.75114178 African_Nigerian
0.81202463 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 2.7629% / 0.02762911
59.0 GlobularAmphora
13.4 Russia_Karelia_HG
11.6 Macedonia_N
5.4 Iran_N
5.4 Morocco_Taforalt
5.0 Georgia_CHG
0.2 African_Nigerian
Upsilander
09-24-2024, 07:51 AM
It creates a very high separation in sample runs:
Target: English
Distance: 5.2406% / 0.05240565
60.6 GlobularAmphora
28.0 Russia_Karelia_HG
7.6 Georgia_CHG
3.0 Iran_N
0.8 Macedonia_N
Target: Greek
Distance: 3.5901% / 0.03590136
57.8 Macedonia_N
19.4 Russia_Karelia_HG
13.8 Iran_N
4.8 GlobularAmphora
4.2 Georgia_CHG
Target: Swedish
Distance: 5.4335% / 0.05433471
53.2 GlobularAmphora
35.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
7.6 Georgia_CHG
3.0 Macedonia_N
0.6 Iran_N
Target: Palestinian
Distance: 3.2045% / 0.03204527
41.4 Israel_PPNB
28.8 Iran_N
22.8 Macedonia_N
3.2 Georgia_CHG
2.2 Russia_Karelia_HG
1.6 AfontovaGora3
Target: Silesian
Distance: 6.5882% / 0.06588237
38.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
29.6 Macedonia_N
22.6 GlobularAmphora
7.2 Georgia_CHG
2.0 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
Target: Austrian
Distance: 4.8109% / 0.04810928
38.0 GlobularAmphora
30.4 Russia_Karelia_HG
21.2 Macedonia_N
6.4 Georgia_CHG
4.0 Iran_N
Pater Patota
09-24-2024, 08:12 AM
Target: PP_scaled
Distance: 3.5790% / 0.03579014
41.8 Macedonia_N
30.0 Iran_N
12.4 Georgia_CHG
11.0 Russia_Karelia_HG
2.6 Israel_Natufian
2.2 East_Asian
Athalafuns
09-24-2024, 08:18 AM
Target: RNB27
Distance: 3.0088% / 0.03008777
55.8 GlobularAmphora
16.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
11.8 Macedonia_N
6.0 Georgia_CHG
6.0 Iran_N
3.4 Morocco_Taforalt
0.4 African_Nigerian
Without Macedonia_N:
Target: RNB27
Distance: 3.1661% / 0.03166070
67.6 GlobularAmphora
13.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
8.0 Iran_N
6.2 Georgia_CHG
3.6 Morocco_Taforalt
1.0 Israel_PPNB
-------
Distance to: RNB27
0.09836166 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.16871220 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.21194158 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.25141183 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.29824317 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.30373043 Iran_N
0.31205488 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.34600495 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.36043071 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.37150425 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.38887442 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.44954614 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.45291279 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.45511582 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.59913216 Amerindian_Native
0.60318532 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.60883690 East_Asian
0.62105974 Nganasan
0.75366973 African_Nigerian
0.81297514 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: cass
Distance: 6.5295% / 0.06529545
35.8 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
35.2 GlobularAmphora:I2433
18.2 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
5.6 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
2.8 Iran_N
2.4 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
vs
Target: German_West_Prussia
Distance: 6.0423% / 0.06042278
39.0 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
34.2 GlobularAmphora:I2433
18.6 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
6.4 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
1.2 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.6 Iran_N
Target: Polish_Kashubian:Kashubian2
Distance: 8.5503% / 0.08550314
39.0 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
31.4 GlobularAmphora:I2433
22.0 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
5.8 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
1.8 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
Distance to: cass
0.15544956 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.23347120 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.24135325 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.27544024 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.27815150 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.30553203 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.31741134 Iran_N
0.33059133 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.33064290 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.35018392 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.35808234 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45329638 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.49201517 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.49732940 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.58855654 Amerindian_Native
0.60173242 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.60666713 East_Asian
0.61673237 Nganasan
0.77742033 African_Nigerian
0.81173564 Oceanian_Papuan
Athalafuns
09-24-2024, 08:50 AM
Target: RNB27
Distance: 3.0088% / 0.03008777
55.8 GlobularAmphora
16.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
11.8 Macedonia_N
6.0 Georgia_CHG
6.0 Iran_N
3.4 Morocco_Taforalt
0.4 African_Nigerian
Closest average:
Target: Spanish_Cataluna
Distance: 2.9565% / 0.02956489
59.6 GlobularAmphora
15.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
12.0 Macedonia_N
5.8 Georgia_CHG
4.4 Iran_N
2.6 Morocco_Taforalt
It would be even more interesting if you added extreme western Neolithic samples e.g. Irish or a wide spectrum of Neolithics.
EasternLusitanian
09-24-2024, 09:33 AM
Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0259% / 0.02592269
46.6 GlobularAmphora
20.6 Macedonia_N
14.2 Russia_Karelia_HG
6.6 Morocco_Taforalt
6.5 Iran_N
5.5 Georgia_CHG
Distance to: MV_scaled
0.09686454 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.15309888 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.18976704 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.23023086 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.29911072 Iran_N
0.31530826 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.32172420 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.34612011 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.37530808 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.38189275 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.40360893 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.43384119 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.43868828 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.45145424 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.59956550 Amerindian_Native
0.60502389 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.61095067 East_Asian
0.62325862 Nganasan
0.74860220 African_Nigerian
0.80290150 Oceanian_Papuan
Grace O'Malley
09-24-2024, 09:48 AM
It would be even more interesting if you added extreme western Neolithic samples e.g. Irish or a wide spectrum of Neolithics.
Yes I think so as well. I did add Irish Neolithic samples but still just get GAC.
Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%,0.081953 ,0.09546,-0.101445,-0.002261,-0.09848,0.015339,0.032666,-0.004154,-0.159529,-0.105332,-0.001137,0.030273,-0.073141,-0.000275,0.057274,-0.011005,0.08814,0.003927,-0.03595,0.060154,0.07075,-0.020155,-0.005669,-0.04832,-0.001197
China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%,-0.027318,-0.260991,-0.075424,0.071383,0.033545,-0.018407,-0.00799,-0.003,0.040291,0.021322,-0.006333,-0.005995,-0.003568,-0.00523,-0.000407,-0.000663,0.008084,0.002407,-0.001131,0.027263,-0.001747,0.008037,-0.008874,-0.010845,0.011256
Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%,0.130897,0.109677,0.203645,0.198,0.1 62492,0.059125,0.015041,0.038075,0.100217,0.016219 ,-0.015427,-0.017235,0.019921,-0.001239,0.061346,0.07067,0.002608,0.007348,-0.008925,0.065406,0.117543,0.010387,-0.049422,-0.173639,0.019519
Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%,0.121791,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0 .156029,0.060798,0.017626,0.041537,0.093467,0.0178 59,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801
Israel_Natufian:I0861,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735
Israel_PPNB:I0867,0.07057,0.174671,-0.032809,-0.147612,0.03693,-0.068886,-0.018331,-0.00923,0.077719,0.043554,0.011205,-0.012589,0.0278,-0.006744,-0.02348,0.009944,0.02034,-0.008742,-0.001885,0.024637,0.000749,0.007048,-0.004807,-0.005422,-0.008742
Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %,0.079676,-0.023357,0.037335,0.186695,-0.070475,0.046575,-0.047472,-0.054921,-0.020452,-0.06925,0.028743,-0.010041,0.015907,-0.044865,0.017372,0.023071,-0.007302,0.00228,-0.00352,-0.00025,-0.028699,0.00371,0.011832,-0.006989,-0.002155
China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%,0.012521,-0.439724,0.062979,-0.050065,-0.029852,-0.029284,0.003055,0.001385,0.010022,0.011299,-0.045144,0.004196,-0.000297,0.001514,-0.007057,-0.010475,0.004824,0.006968,0.006034,0.02051,-0.00025,-0.015333,-0.011832,-0.005302,-0.020597
Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%,-0.191223,0.08632,-0.024136,-0.079781,0.021542,-0.06024,-0.069798,0.028153,0.16096,0.003462,0.014615,-0.035968,0.079236,-0.052297,0.077496,-0.051577,-0.004042,-0.062077,-0.152723,0.03214,-0.042425,-0.122045,0.066307,-0.014098,0.014849
Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%,-0.196914,0.08632,-0.017725,-0.089794,0.028005,-0.060519,-0.074028,0.017768,0.157688,0.000182,0.015914,-0.037916,0.084588,-0.053398,0.066639,-0.038053,0.01004,-0.069679,-0.149204,0.036768,-0.038432,-0.130083,0.067417,-0.014942,0.020836
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Amerindian_Native,0.0529278,-0.328016,0.1120048,0.0774392,-0.1061738,-0.0184068,-0.1983488,-0.2347978,-0.0037325,-0.020137,0.0082817,-0.0034098,0.0063925,6.87e-05,-0.0151328,-0.004508,-0.0005215,0.0032622,0.0115015,0.0073472,0.0038682,-0.0107578,0.0027115,0.0062055,0.0092805
East_Asian,0.0229543,-0.445479,0.0130733,-0.059109,0.0362118,0.0093428,0.003525,0.0005768,-0.0065105,0.0106607,-0.0740492,-0.0074685,0.011546,-0.0070647,-0.0110612,-0.004464,0.0003042,0.0035895,0.001676,-0.0092547,0.0270355,-0.01659,0.0049093,0.003374,-0.0419723
African_Nigerian,-0.6321452,0.064613,0.02324,0.0182899,-0.0031929,0.0146768,-0.0412151,0.0464115,-0.0510541,0.0350349,0.0082612,-0.0014613,0.0233582,0.0032685,0.012147,-0.0095133,0.0067475,0.003294,0.006065,-0.0035332,0.0003899,0.0012829,-0.000724,-0.0002561,-0.000928
GlobularAmphora:I2433,0.130897,0.17264,0.054305,-0.016796,0.084631,-0.024821,-0.00094,0.006231,0.054403,0.075992,-0.00682,0.011839,-0.017839,-0.013487,-0.003664,0.004508,0.007171,0.007221,0.002891,-0.003877,0.012104,0.010263,-0.013557,-0.016267,-0.008382
Nganasan,0.04607556,-0.40763356,0.1544837,0.00202844,-0.15847882,-0.08824092,0.02761354,0.0420029,0.02909144,0.01285 488,0.10069696,0.00973238,-0.0049267,-0.02773364,-0.02081676,-0.01034464,0.00331436,0.01400164,0.02512448,-0.00024764,0.04220558,-0.01291678,0.03254234,-0.00104348,0.01370884
Iran_N,0.0450478,0.0725128,-0.1507442,-0.0065076,-0.1148557,0.0178132,0.0139621,-0.0018905,-0.0756186,-0.0496011,-0.00099,-0.002099,0.00474,-0.0059417,0.0266246,0.0516964,-0.0069899,0.0050295,0.0132112,-0.0320451,0.0075763,-0.0249938,-0.0090666,-0.0350722,0.0195965
Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%,0.125 205,0.034528,0.137272,0.204137,-0.015695,0.057451,-0.026791,-0.03046,-0.01084,-0.090571,0.025982,-0.009591,0.022745,-0.048581,0.019679,0.016309,-0.022426,0.0019,-0.006913,0.017258,-0.004617,0.011747,0.007025,-0.020485,-0.008502
AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3,0.093335,-0.01828,0.083344,0.231592,-0.091402,0.042949,-0.063688,-0.078228,-0.035383,-0.096221,0.047417,-0.010491,0.023637,-0.074454,0.020358,0.02254,-0.012908,0.003801,-0.003394,0.000625,-0.03706,0.015209,0.013927,0.009278,-0.005149
Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%,0.125205,0. 183811,0.001508,-0.105299,0.060627,-0.046296,0.00141,-0.001385,0.041109,0.087291,0.016239,0.01169,-0.026462,0.00234,-0.042073,-0.011535,0.025295,-0.00076,0.014204,-0.011881,-0.017344,0.009521,-0.003081,0.002651,-0.009939
Ireland_EN_MN.SG,0.1256608,0.1708122,0.0541546,-0.0374034,0.0853082,-0.0247094,-0.003478,0.0025386,0.0637708,0.0891498,0.0031502,0 .0126788,-0.0277404,-0.0183314,-0.0108306,0.0093608,0.022739,0.004738,0.0017596,-0.0007504,0.012403,0.0049462,-0.0150116,-0.0294018,0.0015566
Ireland_EN.SG,0.1254898,0.1728938,0.0476115,-0.0424745,0.0841695,-0.025937,-0.0049938,-0.0008075,0.0651408,0.0874278,-0.0007305,0.011652,-0.027688,-0.0103563,-0.010756,-0.0005305,0.0058348,0.003484,0.0013512,-0.002157,0.0087972,0.001793,-0.014882,-0.0290402,0.0022153
Ireland_Megalithic.SG,0.1257747,0.1711167,0.047265 8,-0.037145,0.0808355,-0.0239847,-0.001175,0.0012692,0.0613232,0.0872303,-0.0011367,0.0134132,-0.0241327,-0.0099775,-0.0127352,-0.002033,0.0172323,0.0032093,8.40E-05,-0.0027513,0.0086097,0.0064505,-0.011092,-0.0302052,0.0016565
Ireland_MN.SG,0.1267376,0.171312,0.0529563,-0.0366232,0.0856254,-0.0239202,-0.0031002,0.0013134,0.0618606,0.0878168,-0.001549,0.0129347,-0.0289545,-0.0113856,-0.0095578,0.0022081,0.0130183,0.0038347,0.0025671,-0.0019577,0.0104575,0.0052268,-0.0154817,-0.0322103,0.0018884
Ireland_N.SG,0.121791,0.165531,0.052043,-0.036822,0.083092,-0.010598,-0.00141,0.003461,0.061153,0.084558,-0.003085,0.015586,-0.028692,-0.011973,-0.006786,0.001724,0.014864,0.00266,0.007039,-0.011255,0.014225,0.004204,-0.011216,-0.034945,-0.001916
Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.14733303 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.16741030 Ireland_N.SG
0.17148723 Ireland_Megalithic.SG
0.17219812 Ireland_MN.SG
0.17527438 Ireland_EN_MN.SG
0.17602397 Ireland_EN.SG
0.23312589 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.24369002 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.27810952 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.27852970 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.30635681 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.31971005 Iran_N
0.33006097 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.33232889 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.34526690 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.35876047 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45942029 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.49317163 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.49939998 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.59107767 Amerindian_Native
0.60799554 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.61401707 East_Asian
0.62174959 Nganasan
0.78416982 African_Nigerian
0.81291249 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 5.5341% / 0.05534052
58.6 GlobularAmphora
30.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
10.6 Georgia_CHG
Upsilander
09-24-2024, 10:18 AM
It would be even more interesting if you added extreme western Neolithic samples e.g. Irish or a wide spectrum of Neolithics.
GAC and MAC are already the two realistic extremes. I ve tried some DEU, Irish, etc.. it just creates some randomness as they are close to GAC with a bit less WHG, when Macedonia is simply ANF. Going past MN in most cultures you start to get a little IE so it messes with Karelia, CHG etc... It doesn't really matter where the neo culture was located it's more about the proportion to create higher separation and see who would be more GAC-like.
Target: IRL_MN:ANN1
Distance: 3.9099% / 0.03909911
78.2 Pinarbasi_HG
21.4 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG
0.2 Nganasan
0.2 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: GlobularAmphora:I2433
Distance: 4.3387% / 0.04338692
75.6 Pinarbasi_HG
22.8 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG
1.4 Russia_MA1_HG.SG
0.2 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: CZE_MN:I7197
Distance: 1.7602% / 0.01760223
95.2 Pinarbasi_HG
4.8 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG
Target: FRA_Grand_Est_MN:BERG02-2
Distance: 4.3329% / 0.04332873
82.0 Pinarbasi_HG
18.0 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG
Target: Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
Distance: 1.8059% / 0.01805854
100.0 Pinarbasi_HG
There is almost a 50/50mix in Blatterhohle, nobody could score that anyway with 45% Loschbour. This guy is transitional and not representative of the culture as a whole.
Target: DEU_Blatterhohle_MN:I1593
Distance: 2.8003% / 0.02800274
55.8 Pinarbasi_HG
44.2 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG
I tried a run with it and no country was scoring it because the WHG level is just too crazy for us mere moderns.
Most others DEU are normal
Target: DEU_Esperstedt_MN:I0172
Distance: 3.7972% / 0.03797216
82.4 Pinarbasi_HG
17.4 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG
0.2 Oceanian_Papuan
The only slight downside of the model is it should eat a bit of the Karelia for people scoring high GAC (about 7% of your score), and reversely make appear a bit of extra WHG scoring high Macedonia because it's depleted from it, but interestingly it still chooses that for many people over the exact particular ratio of GAC. MAC comes out 100% AHG but at a distance so that is the key difference it seems, for some populations it stills prefer GAC over any other combination of AHG/MAC+WHG. For example English or Swedish:
With Pinarbasi
Target: English
Distance: 5.2409% / 0.05240944
61.4 GlobularAmphora
27.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
7.6 Georgia_CHG
3.2 Iran_N
With MAC instead
Target: English
Distance: 5.2406% / 0.05240565
60.6 GlobularAmphora
28.0 Russia_Karelia_HG
7.6 Georgia_CHG
3.0 Iran_N
0.8 Macedonia_N
With Pinarbasi
Target: Swedish
Distance: 5.4378% / 0.05437810
56.6 GlobularAmphora
34.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
7.8 Georgia_CHG
1.0 Iran_N
With MAC instead
Target: Swedish
Distance: 5.4335% / 0.05433471
53.2 GlobularAmphora
35.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
7.6 Georgia_CHG
3.0 Macedonia_N
0.6 Iran_N
Upsilander
09-24-2024, 10:19 AM
Yes I think so as well. I did add Irish Neolithic samples but still just get GAC.
Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%,0.081953 ,0.09546,-0.101445,-0.002261,-0.09848,0.015339,0.032666,-0.004154,-0.159529,-0.105332,-0.001137,0.030273,-0.073141,-0.000275,0.057274,-0.011005,0.08814,0.003927,-0.03595,0.060154,0.07075,-0.020155,-0.005669,-0.04832,-0.001197
China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%,-0.027318,-0.260991,-0.075424,0.071383,0.033545,-0.018407,-0.00799,-0.003,0.040291,0.021322,-0.006333,-0.005995,-0.003568,-0.00523,-0.000407,-0.000663,0.008084,0.002407,-0.001131,0.027263,-0.001747,0.008037,-0.008874,-0.010845,0.011256
Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%,0.130897,0.109677,0.203645,0.198,0.1 62492,0.059125,0.015041,0.038075,0.100217,0.016219 ,-0.015427,-0.017235,0.019921,-0.001239,0.061346,0.07067,0.002608,0.007348,-0.008925,0.065406,0.117543,0.010387,-0.049422,-0.173639,0.019519
Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%,0.121791,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0 .156029,0.060798,0.017626,0.041537,0.093467,0.0178 59,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801
Israel_Natufian:I0861,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735
Israel_PPNB:I0867,0.07057,0.174671,-0.032809,-0.147612,0.03693,-0.068886,-0.018331,-0.00923,0.077719,0.043554,0.011205,-0.012589,0.0278,-0.006744,-0.02348,0.009944,0.02034,-0.008742,-0.001885,0.024637,0.000749,0.007048,-0.004807,-0.005422,-0.008742
Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %,0.079676,-0.023357,0.037335,0.186695,-0.070475,0.046575,-0.047472,-0.054921,-0.020452,-0.06925,0.028743,-0.010041,0.015907,-0.044865,0.017372,0.023071,-0.007302,0.00228,-0.00352,-0.00025,-0.028699,0.00371,0.011832,-0.006989,-0.002155
China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%,0.012521,-0.439724,0.062979,-0.050065,-0.029852,-0.029284,0.003055,0.001385,0.010022,0.011299,-0.045144,0.004196,-0.000297,0.001514,-0.007057,-0.010475,0.004824,0.006968,0.006034,0.02051,-0.00025,-0.015333,-0.011832,-0.005302,-0.020597
Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%,-0.191223,0.08632,-0.024136,-0.079781,0.021542,-0.06024,-0.069798,0.028153,0.16096,0.003462,0.014615,-0.035968,0.079236,-0.052297,0.077496,-0.051577,-0.004042,-0.062077,-0.152723,0.03214,-0.042425,-0.122045,0.066307,-0.014098,0.014849
Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%,-0.196914,0.08632,-0.017725,-0.089794,0.028005,-0.060519,-0.074028,0.017768,0.157688,0.000182,0.015914,-0.037916,0.084588,-0.053398,0.066639,-0.038053,0.01004,-0.069679,-0.149204,0.036768,-0.038432,-0.130083,0.067417,-0.014942,0.020836
Oceanian_Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048
Amerindian_Native,0.0529278,-0.328016,0.1120048,0.0774392,-0.1061738,-0.0184068,-0.1983488,-0.2347978,-0.0037325,-0.020137,0.0082817,-0.0034098,0.0063925,6.87e-05,-0.0151328,-0.004508,-0.0005215,0.0032622,0.0115015,0.0073472,0.0038682,-0.0107578,0.0027115,0.0062055,0.0092805
East_Asian,0.0229543,-0.445479,0.0130733,-0.059109,0.0362118,0.0093428,0.003525,0.0005768,-0.0065105,0.0106607,-0.0740492,-0.0074685,0.011546,-0.0070647,-0.0110612,-0.004464,0.0003042,0.0035895,0.001676,-0.0092547,0.0270355,-0.01659,0.0049093,0.003374,-0.0419723
African_Nigerian,-0.6321452,0.064613,0.02324,0.0182899,-0.0031929,0.0146768,-0.0412151,0.0464115,-0.0510541,0.0350349,0.0082612,-0.0014613,0.0233582,0.0032685,0.012147,-0.0095133,0.0067475,0.003294,0.006065,-0.0035332,0.0003899,0.0012829,-0.000724,-0.0002561,-0.000928
GlobularAmphora:I2433,0.130897,0.17264,0.054305,-0.016796,0.084631,-0.024821,-0.00094,0.006231,0.054403,0.075992,-0.00682,0.011839,-0.017839,-0.013487,-0.003664,0.004508,0.007171,0.007221,0.002891,-0.003877,0.012104,0.010263,-0.013557,-0.016267,-0.008382
Nganasan,0.04607556,-0.40763356,0.1544837,0.00202844,-0.15847882,-0.08824092,0.02761354,0.0420029,0.02909144,0.01285 488,0.10069696,0.00973238,-0.0049267,-0.02773364,-0.02081676,-0.01034464,0.00331436,0.01400164,0.02512448,-0.00024764,0.04220558,-0.01291678,0.03254234,-0.00104348,0.01370884
Iran_N,0.0450478,0.0725128,-0.1507442,-0.0065076,-0.1148557,0.0178132,0.0139621,-0.0018905,-0.0756186,-0.0496011,-0.00099,-0.002099,0.00474,-0.0059417,0.0266246,0.0516964,-0.0069899,0.0050295,0.0132112,-0.0320451,0.0075763,-0.0249938,-0.0090666,-0.0350722,0.0195965
Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%,0.125 205,0.034528,0.137272,0.204137,-0.015695,0.057451,-0.026791,-0.03046,-0.01084,-0.090571,0.025982,-0.009591,0.022745,-0.048581,0.019679,0.016309,-0.022426,0.0019,-0.006913,0.017258,-0.004617,0.011747,0.007025,-0.020485,-0.008502
AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3,0.093335,-0.01828,0.083344,0.231592,-0.091402,0.042949,-0.063688,-0.078228,-0.035383,-0.096221,0.047417,-0.010491,0.023637,-0.074454,0.020358,0.02254,-0.012908,0.003801,-0.003394,0.000625,-0.03706,0.015209,0.013927,0.009278,-0.005149
Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%,0.125205,0. 183811,0.001508,-0.105299,0.060627,-0.046296,0.00141,-0.001385,0.041109,0.087291,0.016239,0.01169,-0.026462,0.00234,-0.042073,-0.011535,0.025295,-0.00076,0.014204,-0.011881,-0.017344,0.009521,-0.003081,0.002651,-0.009939
Ireland_EN_MN.SG,0.1256608,0.1708122,0.0541546,-0.0374034,0.0853082,-0.0247094,-0.003478,0.0025386,0.0637708,0.0891498,0.0031502,0 .0126788,-0.0277404,-0.0183314,-0.0108306,0.0093608,0.022739,0.004738,0.0017596,-0.0007504,0.012403,0.0049462,-0.0150116,-0.0294018,0.0015566
Ireland_EN.SG,0.1254898,0.1728938,0.0476115,-0.0424745,0.0841695,-0.025937,-0.0049938,-0.0008075,0.0651408,0.0874278,-0.0007305,0.011652,-0.027688,-0.0103563,-0.010756,-0.0005305,0.0058348,0.003484,0.0013512,-0.002157,0.0087972,0.001793,-0.014882,-0.0290402,0.0022153
Ireland_Megalithic.SG,0.1257747,0.1711167,0.047265 8,-0.037145,0.0808355,-0.0239847,-0.001175,0.0012692,0.0613232,0.0872303,-0.0011367,0.0134132,-0.0241327,-0.0099775,-0.0127352,-0.002033,0.0172323,0.0032093,8.40E-05,-0.0027513,0.0086097,0.0064505,-0.011092,-0.0302052,0.0016565
Ireland_MN.SG,0.1267376,0.171312,0.0529563,-0.0366232,0.0856254,-0.0239202,-0.0031002,0.0013134,0.0618606,0.0878168,-0.001549,0.0129347,-0.0289545,-0.0113856,-0.0095578,0.0022081,0.0130183,0.0038347,0.0025671,-0.0019577,0.0104575,0.0052268,-0.0154817,-0.0322103,0.0018884
Ireland_N.SG,0.121791,0.165531,0.052043,-0.036822,0.083092,-0.010598,-0.00141,0.003461,0.061153,0.084558,-0.003085,0.015586,-0.028692,-0.011973,-0.006786,0.001724,0.014864,0.00266,0.007039,-0.011255,0.014225,0.004204,-0.011216,-0.034945,-0.001916
Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.14733303 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.16741030 Ireland_N.SG
0.17148723 Ireland_Megalithic.SG
0.17219812 Ireland_MN.SG
0.17527438 Ireland_EN_MN.SG
0.17602397 Ireland_EN.SG
0.23312589 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.24369002 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.27810952 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.27852970 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.30635681 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.31971005 Iran_N
0.33006097 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.33232889 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.34526690 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.35876047 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45942029 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.49317163 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.49939998 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.59107767 Amerindian_Native
0.60799554 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.61401707 East_Asian
0.62174959 Nganasan
0.78416982 African_Nigerian
0.81291249 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 5.5341% / 0.05534052
58.6 GlobularAmphora
30.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
10.6 Georgia_CHG
Yes you will still score just GAC, i explained above why.
Yes I think so as well. I did add Irish Neolithic samples but still just get GAC.
Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%,0.081953 ,0.09546,-0.101445,-0.002261,-0.09848,0.015339,0.032666,-0.004154,-0.159529,-0.105332,-0.001137,0.030273,-0.073141,-0.000275,0.057274,-0.011005,0.08814,0.003927,-0.03595,0.060154,0.07075,-0.020155,-0.005669,-0.04832,-0.001197
China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%,-0.027318,-0.260991,-0.075424,0.071383,0.033545,-0.018407,-0.00799,-0.003,0.040291,0.021322,-0.006333,-0.005995,-0.003568,-0.00523,-0.000407,-0.000663,0.008084,0.002407,-0.001131,0.027263,-0.001747,0.008037,-0.008874,-0.010845,0.011256
Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%,0.130897,0.109677,0.203645,0.198,0.1 62492,0.059125,0.015041,0.038075,0.100217,0.016219 ,-0.015427,-0.017235,0.019921,-0.001239,0.061346,0.07067,0.002608,0.007348,-0.008925,0.065406,0.117543,0.010387,-0.049422,-0.173639,0.019519
Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%,0.121791,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0 .156029,0.060798,0.017626,0.041537,0.093467,0.0178 59,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801
Israel_Natufian:I0861,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735
Israel_PPNB:I0867,0.07057,0.174671,-0.032809,-0.147612,0.03693,-0.068886,-0.018331,-0.00923,0.077719,0.043554,0.011205,-0.012589,0.0278,-0.006744,-0.02348,0.009944,0.02034,-0.008742,-0.001885,0.024637,0.000749,0.007048,-0.004807,-0.005422,-0.008742
Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %,0.079676,-0.023357,0.037335,0.186695,-0.070475,0.046575,-0.047472,-0.054921,-0.020452,-0.06925,0.028743,-0.010041,0.015907,-0.044865,0.017372,0.023071,-0.007302,0.00228,-0.00352,-0.00025,-0.028699,0.00371,0.011832,-0.006989,-0.002155
China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%,0.012521,-0.439724,0.062979,-0.050065,-0.029852,-0.029284,0.003055,0.001385,0.010022,0.011299,-0.045144,0.004196,-0.000297,0.001514,-0.007057,-0.010475,0.004824,0.006968,0.006034,0.02051,-0.00025,-0.015333,-0.011832,-0.005302,-0.020597
Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%,-0.191223,0.08632,-0.024136,-0.079781,0.021542,-0.06024,-0.069798,0.028153,0.16096,0.003462,0.014615,-0.035968,0.079236,-0.052297,0.077496,-0.051577,-0.004042,-0.062077,-0.152723,0.03214,-0.042425,-0.122045,0.066307,-0.014098,0.014849
Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%,-0.196914,0.08632,-0.017725,-0.089794,0.028005,-0.060519,-0.074028,0.017768,0.157688,0.000182,0.015914,-0.037916,0.084588,-0.053398,0.066639,-0.038053,0.01004,-0.069679,-0.149204,0.036768,-0.038432,-0.130083,0.067417,-0.014942,0.020836
Oceanian_Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048
Amerindian_Native,0.0529278,-0.328016,0.1120048,0.0774392,-0.1061738,-0.0184068,-0.1983488,-0.2347978,-0.0037325,-0.020137,0.0082817,-0.0034098,0.0063925,6.87e-05,-0.0151328,-0.004508,-0.0005215,0.0032622,0.0115015,0.0073472,0.0038682,-0.0107578,0.0027115,0.0062055,0.0092805
East_Asian,0.0229543,-0.445479,0.0130733,-0.059109,0.0362118,0.0093428,0.003525,0.0005768,-0.0065105,0.0106607,-0.0740492,-0.0074685,0.011546,-0.0070647,-0.0110612,-0.004464,0.0003042,0.0035895,0.001676,-0.0092547,0.0270355,-0.01659,0.0049093,0.003374,-0.0419723
African_Nigerian,-0.6321452,0.064613,0.02324,0.0182899,-0.0031929,0.0146768,-0.0412151,0.0464115,-0.0510541,0.0350349,0.0082612,-0.0014613,0.0233582,0.0032685,0.012147,-0.0095133,0.0067475,0.003294,0.006065,-0.0035332,0.0003899,0.0012829,-0.000724,-0.0002561,-0.000928
GlobularAmphora:I2433,0.130897,0.17264,0.054305,-0.016796,0.084631,-0.024821,-0.00094,0.006231,0.054403,0.075992,-0.00682,0.011839,-0.017839,-0.013487,-0.003664,0.004508,0.007171,0.007221,0.002891,-0.003877,0.012104,0.010263,-0.013557,-0.016267,-0.008382
Nganasan,0.04607556,-0.40763356,0.1544837,0.00202844,-0.15847882,-0.08824092,0.02761354,0.0420029,0.02909144,0.01285 488,0.10069696,0.00973238,-0.0049267,-0.02773364,-0.02081676,-0.01034464,0.00331436,0.01400164,0.02512448,-0.00024764,0.04220558,-0.01291678,0.03254234,-0.00104348,0.01370884
Iran_N,0.0450478,0.0725128,-0.1507442,-0.0065076,-0.1148557,0.0178132,0.0139621,-0.0018905,-0.0756186,-0.0496011,-0.00099,-0.002099,0.00474,-0.0059417,0.0266246,0.0516964,-0.0069899,0.0050295,0.0132112,-0.0320451,0.0075763,-0.0249938,-0.0090666,-0.0350722,0.0195965
Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%,0.125 205,0.034528,0.137272,0.204137,-0.015695,0.057451,-0.026791,-0.03046,-0.01084,-0.090571,0.025982,-0.009591,0.022745,-0.048581,0.019679,0.016309,-0.022426,0.0019,-0.006913,0.017258,-0.004617,0.011747,0.007025,-0.020485,-0.008502
AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3,0.093335,-0.01828,0.083344,0.231592,-0.091402,0.042949,-0.063688,-0.078228,-0.035383,-0.096221,0.047417,-0.010491,0.023637,-0.074454,0.020358,0.02254,-0.012908,0.003801,-0.003394,0.000625,-0.03706,0.015209,0.013927,0.009278,-0.005149
Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%,0.125205,0. 183811,0.001508,-0.105299,0.060627,-0.046296,0.00141,-0.001385,0.041109,0.087291,0.016239,0.01169,-0.026462,0.00234,-0.042073,-0.011535,0.025295,-0.00076,0.014204,-0.011881,-0.017344,0.009521,-0.003081,0.002651,-0.009939
Ireland_EN_MN.SG,0.1256608,0.1708122,0.0541546,-0.0374034,0.0853082,-0.0247094,-0.003478,0.0025386,0.0637708,0.0891498,0.0031502,0 .0126788,-0.0277404,-0.0183314,-0.0108306,0.0093608,0.022739,0.004738,0.0017596,-0.0007504,0.012403,0.0049462,-0.0150116,-0.0294018,0.0015566
Ireland_EN.SG,0.1254898,0.1728938,0.0476115,-0.0424745,0.0841695,-0.025937,-0.0049938,-0.0008075,0.0651408,0.0874278,-0.0007305,0.011652,-0.027688,-0.0103563,-0.010756,-0.0005305,0.0058348,0.003484,0.0013512,-0.002157,0.0087972,0.001793,-0.014882,-0.0290402,0.0022153
Ireland_Megalithic.SG,0.1257747,0.1711167,0.047265 8,-0.037145,0.0808355,-0.0239847,-0.001175,0.0012692,0.0613232,0.0872303,-0.0011367,0.0134132,-0.0241327,-0.0099775,-0.0127352,-0.002033,0.0172323,0.0032093,8.40E-05,-0.0027513,0.0086097,0.0064505,-0.011092,-0.0302052,0.0016565
Ireland_MN.SG,0.1267376,0.171312,0.0529563,-0.0366232,0.0856254,-0.0239202,-0.0031002,0.0013134,0.0618606,0.0878168,-0.001549,0.0129347,-0.0289545,-0.0113856,-0.0095578,0.0022081,0.0130183,0.0038347,0.0025671,-0.0019577,0.0104575,0.0052268,-0.0154817,-0.0322103,0.0018884
Ireland_N.SG,0.121791,0.165531,0.052043,-0.036822,0.083092,-0.010598,-0.00141,0.003461,0.061153,0.084558,-0.003085,0.015586,-0.028692,-0.011973,-0.006786,0.001724,0.014864,0.00266,0.007039,-0.011255,0.014225,0.004204,-0.011216,-0.034945,-0.001916
Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.14733303 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.16741030 Ireland_N.SG
0.17148723 Ireland_Megalithic.SG
0.17219812 Ireland_MN.SG
0.17527438 Ireland_EN_MN.SG
0.17602397 Ireland_EN.SG
0.23312589 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.24369002 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.27810952 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.27852970 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.30635681 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.31971005 Iran_N
0.33006097 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.33232889 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.34526690 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.35876047 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45942029 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.49317163 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.49939998 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.59107767 Amerindian_Native
0.60799554 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.61401707 East_Asian
0.62174959 Nganasan
0.78416982 African_Nigerian
0.81291249 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 5.5341% / 0.05534052
58.6 GlobularAmphora
30.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
10.6 Georgia_CHG
Vahaduo has its shortcomings. Therefore, IMHO one should calibrate samples from a given time interval, use a wide range of samples and use an auxiliary ADC 0.25x to eliminate random spreading.
Dušan
09-24-2024, 03:28 PM
Highest Macedonia so far. :)
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 6.5300% / 0.06530014
51.6 Macedonia_N
32.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
5.6 Georgia_CHG
4.2 GlobularAmphora
3.2 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
2.6 Iran_N
Beowulf
09-24-2024, 03:28 PM
Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0374% / 0.03740132
50.9 GlobularAmphora
18.7 Russia_Karelia_HG
17.9 Macedonia_N
6.4 Georgia_CHG
6.1 Iran_N
Katarzyna
09-24-2024, 03:36 PM
Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 7.3344% / 0.07334435
41.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
36.6 Macedonia_N
8.2 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
7.6 GlobularAmphora
6.0 Georgia_CHG
Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics)
Distance: 7.0765% / 0.07076451
43.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
38.2 Macedonia_N
7.6 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
7.2 Georgia_CHG
3.4 GlobularAmphora
My Globular Amphora is under 10%. So I am not a Polish Wog :P
tk'es
09-24-2024, 03:41 PM
Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 7.1377% / 0.07137663
37.0 Macedonia_N
22.2 Georgia_CHG
19.0 Iran_N
19.0 Russia_Karelia_HG
2.6 East_Asian
0.2 Israel_Natufian
Upsilander
09-24-2024, 04:17 PM
Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 7.3344% / 0.07334435
41.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
36.6 Macedonia_N
8.2 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
7.6 GlobularAmphora
6.0 Georgia_CHG
Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics)
Distance: 7.0765% / 0.07076451
43.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
38.2 Macedonia_N
7.6 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
7.2 Georgia_CHG
3.4 GlobularAmphora
My Globular Amphora is under 10%. So I am not a Polish Wog :P
It is surely a lack of those:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwgUPwRzHMw
Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 7.3344% / 0.07334435
41.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
36.6 Macedonia_N
8.2 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
7.6 GlobularAmphora
6.0 Georgia_CHG
Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics)
Distance: 7.0765% / 0.07076451
43.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
38.2 Macedonia_N
7.6 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
7.2 Georgia_CHG
3.4 GlobularAmphora
My Globular Amphora is under 10%. So I am not a Polish Wog :P
I don't buy it at all. This would mean that WHG had been sitting in caves in Lithuania for 10,000 years and early Neolithic people lived in the fields nearby. This is the expected atomization of calculator results.
Flashball
09-24-2024, 04:40 PM
Target: Father(PicardieNorthernFrance)
Distance: 5.6157% / 0.05615731
64.0 GlobularAmphora
23.2 Russia_Karelia_HG
8.4 Iran_N
3.2 Georgia_CHG
1.2 Macedonia_N
Distance to: Father(PicardieNorthernFrance)
0.12307032 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.20372347 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.25578411 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.27170914 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.28837981 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.29509633 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.31427112 Iran_N
0.34967643 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.35089567 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.35408361 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
Target: Mother(Sardinian+NorthernFrench)
Distance: 4.1321% / 0.04132074
39.2 GlobularAmphora
35.6 Macedonia_N
17.0 Russia_Karelia_HG
6.8 Iran_N
1.4 Georgia_CHG
Distance to: Mother(Sardinian+NorthernFrench)
0.08683023 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.14047435 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.20459139 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.25592265 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.31487056 Iran_N
0.32457159 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.33730483 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.36128080 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.38239742 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.39610068 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
Target: MyselfNebula(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
Distance: 4.7980% / 0.04798039
45.2 GlobularAmphora
27.2 Macedonia_N
18.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
6.6 Georgia_CHG
2.2 Iran_N
Distance to: MyselfNebula(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
0.09562355 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.15915734 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.22047700 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.26751228 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.30985419 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.31636270 Iran_N
0.32725694 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.35391189 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.37164625 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.38544786 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
Target: Sister(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
Distance: 4.4660% / 0.04465974
53.2 GlobularAmphora
19.8 Macedonia_N
17.0 Russia_Karelia_HG
8.8 Iran_N
1.2 Georgia_CHG
Distance to: Sister(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
0.09144033 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.15940613 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.21721292 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.26239103 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.30961804 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.31416419 Iran_N
0.32578940 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.35977818 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.37002455 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.38409985 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
Target: BrotherNebula(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
Distance: 4.5348% / 0.04534842
52.6 GlobularAmphora
18.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
18.2 Macedonia_N
6.8 Iran_N
3.8 Georgia_CHG
Distance to: BrotherNebula(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
0.09809083 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.16759117 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.22611829 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.26934748 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.30126191 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.31206554 Iran_N
0.31975486 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.35388251 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.36159651 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.37820770 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
It is surely a lack of those:
:coffee:
I thought you could do more intelligent trolling.
Upsilander
09-24-2024, 04:55 PM
:coffee:
I thought you could do more intelligent trolling.
There is no trolling, it's just the reality of it.
Imo this calc creates more extremes than V1, but some wanted an earlier neolithic along GAC to cover both ends. There you have it.
There is no trolling, it's just the reality of it.
Imo this calc creates more extremes than V1, but some wanted an earlier neolithic along GAC to cover both ends. There you have it.
LOL
https://output.jsbin.com/gojecoh
Use your samples on this and maybe you'll understand something more.
950 models (4 ms):
0.066 Icelandic = 63% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 37% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.068 Irish = 65% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 35% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.068 Irish_Ulster = 65% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 35% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.074 Irish = 72% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 28% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.074 cass = 51% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 49% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.074 Irish = 52% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 48% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.074 Irish_Ulster = 72% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 28% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.075 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 54% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22% + 46% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.075 Irish = 69% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 31% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.076 Icelandic = 50% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 50% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.076 cass = 63% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 37% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.077 Irish_Ulster = 68% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 32% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.077 Irish_Ulster = 52% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 48% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.077 Icelandic = 71% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 29% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.080 Icelandic = 67% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 33% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.082 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 56% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 44% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.087 cass = 67% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 33% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.089 cass = 71% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 29% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.097 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 61% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 39% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.097 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 66% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 34% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.098 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 58% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22% + 42% Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.104 cass = 54% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22% + 46% Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.107 Icelandic = 55% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22% + 45% Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.108 Irish = 53% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22% + 47% Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.111 Irish = 61% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 39% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.113 Irish_Ulster = 54% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22% + 46% Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.113 Irish = 79% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 21% Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.114 Irish_Ulster = 61% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 39% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.114 Irish = 56% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 44% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.116 Irish_Ulster = 79% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 21% Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.118 Icelandic = 60% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 40% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.118 Irish = 78% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 22% Iran_N
0.118 cass = 61% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 39% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.118 Irish_Ulster = 56% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 44% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.118 cass = 55% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 45% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.121 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 56% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 44% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.121 Icelandic = 55% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 45% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.121 Irish_Ulster = 79% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 21% Iran_N
0.122 Icelandic = 79% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 21% Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.122 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 50% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 50% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.125 Irish = 89% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 11% Amerindian_Native
0.126 Icelandic = 79% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 21% Iran_N
0.127 cass = 78% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 22% Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.129 Irish_Ulster = 90% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 10% Amerindian_Native
0.129 cass = 77% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 23% Iran_N
0.131 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 62% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22% + 38% Israel_Natufian:I0861
Upsilander
09-24-2024, 05:19 PM
LOL
https://output.jsbin.com/gojecoh
Use your samples on this and maybe you'll understand something more.
I don't see anything new, but this is just Vahaduo stuck in RP2. Unless you mean this:
0.045 GlobularAmphora:I2433 = 76% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 24% Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.084 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% = 51% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 49% Israel_PPNB:I0867
Eurafricanid
09-24-2024, 05:22 PM
Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 2.4582% / 0.02458222
54.6 GlobularAmphora
15.4 Macedonia_N
13.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
10.4 Iran_N
4.2 Georgia_CHG
1.8 Israel_Natufian
Nice :cool:
I don't see anything new, but this is just Vahaduo stuck in RP2. Unless you mean this:
0.045 GlobularAmphora:I2433 = 76% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 24% Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.084 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% = 51% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 49% Israel_PPNB:I0867
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?388627-GAC-vs-MAC-(V2)&p=8065808&viewfull=1#post8065808
I've already added the result to give you an idea of how different post Corded populations are modeled.
Eurafricanid
09-24-2024, 05:33 PM
Yes I think so as well. I did add Irish Neolithic samples but still just get GAC.
Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%,0.081953 ,0.09546,-0.101445,-0.002261,-0.09848,0.015339,0.032666,-0.004154,-0.159529,-0.105332,-0.001137,0.030273,-0.073141,-0.000275,0.057274,-0.011005,0.08814,0.003927,-0.03595,0.060154,0.07075,-0.020155,-0.005669,-0.04832,-0.001197
China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%,-0.027318,-0.260991,-0.075424,0.071383,0.033545,-0.018407,-0.00799,-0.003,0.040291,0.021322,-0.006333,-0.005995,-0.003568,-0.00523,-0.000407,-0.000663,0.008084,0.002407,-0.001131,0.027263,-0.001747,0.008037,-0.008874,-0.010845,0.011256
Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%,0.130897,0.109677,0.203645,0.198,0.1 62492,0.059125,0.015041,0.038075,0.100217,0.016219 ,-0.015427,-0.017235,0.019921,-0.001239,0.061346,0.07067,0.002608,0.007348,-0.008925,0.065406,0.117543,0.010387,-0.049422,-0.173639,0.019519
Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%,0.121791,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0 .156029,0.060798,0.017626,0.041537,0.093467,0.0178 59,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801
Israel_Natufian:I0861,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735
Israel_PPNB:I0867,0.07057,0.174671,-0.032809,-0.147612,0.03693,-0.068886,-0.018331,-0.00923,0.077719,0.043554,0.011205,-0.012589,0.0278,-0.006744,-0.02348,0.009944,0.02034,-0.008742,-0.001885,0.024637,0.000749,0.007048,-0.004807,-0.005422,-0.008742
Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %,0.079676,-0.023357,0.037335,0.186695,-0.070475,0.046575,-0.047472,-0.054921,-0.020452,-0.06925,0.028743,-0.010041,0.015907,-0.044865,0.017372,0.023071,-0.007302,0.00228,-0.00352,-0.00025,-0.028699,0.00371,0.011832,-0.006989,-0.002155
China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%,0.012521,-0.439724,0.062979,-0.050065,-0.029852,-0.029284,0.003055,0.001385,0.010022,0.011299,-0.045144,0.004196,-0.000297,0.001514,-0.007057,-0.010475,0.004824,0.006968,0.006034,0.02051,-0.00025,-0.015333,-0.011832,-0.005302,-0.020597
Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%,-0.191223,0.08632,-0.024136,-0.079781,0.021542,-0.06024,-0.069798,0.028153,0.16096,0.003462,0.014615,-0.035968,0.079236,-0.052297,0.077496,-0.051577,-0.004042,-0.062077,-0.152723,0.03214,-0.042425,-0.122045,0.066307,-0.014098,0.014849
Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%,-0.196914,0.08632,-0.017725,-0.089794,0.028005,-0.060519,-0.074028,0.017768,0.157688,0.000182,0.015914,-0.037916,0.084588,-0.053398,0.066639,-0.038053,0.01004,-0.069679,-0.149204,0.036768,-0.038432,-0.130083,0.067417,-0.014942,0.020836
Oceanian_Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048
Amerindian_Native,0.0529278,-0.328016,0.1120048,0.0774392,-0.1061738,-0.0184068,-0.1983488,-0.2347978,-0.0037325,-0.020137,0.0082817,-0.0034098,0.0063925,6.87e-05,-0.0151328,-0.004508,-0.0005215,0.0032622,0.0115015,0.0073472,0.0038682,-0.0107578,0.0027115,0.0062055,0.0092805
East_Asian,0.0229543,-0.445479,0.0130733,-0.059109,0.0362118,0.0093428,0.003525,0.0005768,-0.0065105,0.0106607,-0.0740492,-0.0074685,0.011546,-0.0070647,-0.0110612,-0.004464,0.0003042,0.0035895,0.001676,-0.0092547,0.0270355,-0.01659,0.0049093,0.003374,-0.0419723
African_Nigerian,-0.6321452,0.064613,0.02324,0.0182899,-0.0031929,0.0146768,-0.0412151,0.0464115,-0.0510541,0.0350349,0.0082612,-0.0014613,0.0233582,0.0032685,0.012147,-0.0095133,0.0067475,0.003294,0.006065,-0.0035332,0.0003899,0.0012829,-0.000724,-0.0002561,-0.000928
GlobularAmphora:I2433,0.130897,0.17264,0.054305,-0.016796,0.084631,-0.024821,-0.00094,0.006231,0.054403,0.075992,-0.00682,0.011839,-0.017839,-0.013487,-0.003664,0.004508,0.007171,0.007221,0.002891,-0.003877,0.012104,0.010263,-0.013557,-0.016267,-0.008382
Nganasan,0.04607556,-0.40763356,0.1544837,0.00202844,-0.15847882,-0.08824092,0.02761354,0.0420029,0.02909144,0.01285 488,0.10069696,0.00973238,-0.0049267,-0.02773364,-0.02081676,-0.01034464,0.00331436,0.01400164,0.02512448,-0.00024764,0.04220558,-0.01291678,0.03254234,-0.00104348,0.01370884
Iran_N,0.0450478,0.0725128,-0.1507442,-0.0065076,-0.1148557,0.0178132,0.0139621,-0.0018905,-0.0756186,-0.0496011,-0.00099,-0.002099,0.00474,-0.0059417,0.0266246,0.0516964,-0.0069899,0.0050295,0.0132112,-0.0320451,0.0075763,-0.0249938,-0.0090666,-0.0350722,0.0195965
Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%,0.125 205,0.034528,0.137272,0.204137,-0.015695,0.057451,-0.026791,-0.03046,-0.01084,-0.090571,0.025982,-0.009591,0.022745,-0.048581,0.019679,0.016309,-0.022426,0.0019,-0.006913,0.017258,-0.004617,0.011747,0.007025,-0.020485,-0.008502
AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3,0.093335,-0.01828,0.083344,0.231592,-0.091402,0.042949,-0.063688,-0.078228,-0.035383,-0.096221,0.047417,-0.010491,0.023637,-0.074454,0.020358,0.02254,-0.012908,0.003801,-0.003394,0.000625,-0.03706,0.015209,0.013927,0.009278,-0.005149
Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%,0.125205,0. 183811,0.001508,-0.105299,0.060627,-0.046296,0.00141,-0.001385,0.041109,0.087291,0.016239,0.01169,-0.026462,0.00234,-0.042073,-0.011535,0.025295,-0.00076,0.014204,-0.011881,-0.017344,0.009521,-0.003081,0.002651,-0.009939
Ireland_EN_MN.SG,0.1256608,0.1708122,0.0541546,-0.0374034,0.0853082,-0.0247094,-0.003478,0.0025386,0.0637708,0.0891498,0.0031502,0 .0126788,-0.0277404,-0.0183314,-0.0108306,0.0093608,0.022739,0.004738,0.0017596,-0.0007504,0.012403,0.0049462,-0.0150116,-0.0294018,0.0015566
Ireland_EN.SG,0.1254898,0.1728938,0.0476115,-0.0424745,0.0841695,-0.025937,-0.0049938,-0.0008075,0.0651408,0.0874278,-0.0007305,0.011652,-0.027688,-0.0103563,-0.010756,-0.0005305,0.0058348,0.003484,0.0013512,-0.002157,0.0087972,0.001793,-0.014882,-0.0290402,0.0022153
Ireland_Megalithic.SG,0.1257747,0.1711167,0.047265 8,-0.037145,0.0808355,-0.0239847,-0.001175,0.0012692,0.0613232,0.0872303,-0.0011367,0.0134132,-0.0241327,-0.0099775,-0.0127352,-0.002033,0.0172323,0.0032093,8.40E-05,-0.0027513,0.0086097,0.0064505,-0.011092,-0.0302052,0.0016565
Ireland_MN.SG,0.1267376,0.171312,0.0529563,-0.0366232,0.0856254,-0.0239202,-0.0031002,0.0013134,0.0618606,0.0878168,-0.001549,0.0129347,-0.0289545,-0.0113856,-0.0095578,0.0022081,0.0130183,0.0038347,0.0025671,-0.0019577,0.0104575,0.0052268,-0.0154817,-0.0322103,0.0018884
Ireland_N.SG,0.121791,0.165531,0.052043,-0.036822,0.083092,-0.010598,-0.00141,0.003461,0.061153,0.084558,-0.003085,0.015586,-0.028692,-0.011973,-0.006786,0.001724,0.014864,0.00266,0.007039,-0.011255,0.014225,0.004204,-0.011216,-0.034945,-0.001916
Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.14733303 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.16741030 Ireland_N.SG
0.17148723 Ireland_Megalithic.SG
0.17219812 Ireland_MN.SG
0.17527438 Ireland_EN_MN.SG
0.17602397 Ireland_EN.SG
0.23312589 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.24369002 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.27810952 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.27852970 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.30635681 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.31971005 Iran_N
0.33006097 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.33232889 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.34526690 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.35876047 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45942029 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.49317163 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.49939998 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.59107767 Amerindian_Native
0.60799554 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.61401707 East_Asian
0.62174959 Nganasan
0.78416982 African_Nigerian
0.81291249 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 5.5341% / 0.05534052
58.6 GlobularAmphora
30.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
10.6 Georgia_CHG
Added some Iberian Chalcolithic on top of those, but no match watsoever:
Iberia_C:Spain_C,0.1266281,0.1666527,0.0587759,-0.0276501,0.089273,-0.0214455,-0.0052044,0.0017691,0.0672371,0.0904385,-0.0014852,0.0133412,-0.0301379,-0.0170337,-0.003885,0.0049031,0.0120713,0.0024019,0.0001467,-0.001188,0.0153999,0.0028105,-0.0150799,-0.0408693,0.0019633
Iberia_C:Spain_C_oAnatolia.SG,0.112685,0.165531,0. 062979,-0.020672,0.082477,-0.019522,-0.01034,0.003923,0.064016,0.088749,-0.006008,0.020382,-0.036422,-0.014313,-0.002036,0.000133,0.002347,0.006588,0.00176,-0.002876,0.016845,0.000495,-0.020336,-0.039162,0.002275
Iberia_C:Spain_C.SG,0.1225497,0.161808,0.0544313,-0.0288547,0.0925303,-0.023427,-0.0047,0.0064613,0.0701517,0.098043,-0.0014613,0.0174343,-0.0366697,-0.0191293,-0.0032573,0.011712,0.0118213,-0.001478,0.0028913,0.0016673,0.0172197,0.0051937,-0.020952,-0.0590443,0.003433
Iberia_C:Portugal_C,0.1240672,0.1635003,0.0531427,-0.031654,0.0826051,-0.0253093,-0.0050723,0.0016538,0.0652602,0.0953095,0.0012178, 0.0147492,-0.0328292,-0.0188199,-0.0045919,0.0013812,0.0107892,0.0007178,-0.0005237,-0.0005002,0.01462,0.0047194,-0.0155807,-0.0388608,0.0047402
Iberia_C:Portugal_C.SG,0.118945,0.161977,0.052797,-0.033592,0.0892475,-0.01757,-0.00705,0.0047305,0.069231,0.105424,0.0043845,0.01 62605,-0.0422195,-0.0257355,-0.021851,0.0017235,0.017732,0.013809,0.009176,-0.0076285,0.020776,0.010263,-0.0184255,-0.084892,0.017124
Iberia_C:Portugal_LN_C,0.120652,0.161469,0.053174,-0.023579,0.073552,-0.015897,-0.011986,0.002077,0.053176,0.075264,-0.000974,0.012589,-0.038652,-0.016515,-0.004886,-0.002519,0.004303,0.003927,0.000251,-0.004002,0.020963,-0.002226,-0.017131,-0.027715,0.000958
Iberia_C:Portugal_LN_C.SG,0.1206527,0.162823,0.051 6653,-0.0304697,0.086888,-0.022776,-0.0062667,-0.0003077,0.057062,0.089964,-0.0040057,0.0138877,-0.029683,-0.019726,-0.0028953,0.0105187,0.0156027,0.004603,-0.0027233,0.002126,0.0124363,-0.0041217,-0.0170083,-0.0421747,0.0019557
Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 2.4582% / 0.02458222
54.6 GlobularAmphora
15.4 Macedonia_N
13.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
10.4 Iran_N
4.2 Georgia_CHG
1.8 Israel_Natufian
Upsilander
09-24-2024, 05:37 PM
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?388627-GAC-vs-MAC-(V2)&p=8065808&viewfull=1#post8065808
I've already added the result to give you an idea of how different post Corded populations are modeled.
It makes sense, but that's not new to me. You can model, broadly speaking, central and north Euro with GAC + some HG, and southern Euro with also a lot of GAC too but the difference is in what else they score, it's more "southern" stuff like Iran_N, Taforalt,...
Imo V1 is probably more realistic, where everybody was scoring a lot of GAC, but this one creates more distinct types of admixtures.
Eurafricanid
09-24-2024, 05:38 PM
I don't buy it at all. This would mean that WHG had been sitting in caves in Lithuania for 10,000 years and early Neolithic people lived in the fields nearby. This is the expected atomization of calculator results.
That does seem to be happening, though.
Target: Lithuania_BA
Distance: 7.8662% / 0.07866221
33.0 Yamnaya
26.6 ANF
26.6 EHG
13.8 WHG
Target: Lithuania_BA
Distance: 9.0709% / 0.09070902
49.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
33.6 Macedonia_N
12.0 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
4.6 Georgia_CHG
Target: Lithuania_Marvele_Roman.SG
Distance: 10.3245% / 0.10324495
48.0 Russia_Karelia_HG
33.4 Macedonia_N
16.0 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
2.6 Georgia_CHG
Target: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG
Distance: 5.6561% / 0.05656149
56.6 GlobularAmphora
34.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
8.8 Georgia_CHG
Target: Polish
Distance: 7.0922% / 0.07092172
40.2 Russia_Karelia_HG
37.2 Macedonia_N
9.6 GlobularAmphora
6.8 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
5.8 Georgia_CHG
0.4 Iran_N
Erronkari
09-24-2024, 05:56 PM
Distance to: Francisco_scaled
0.09495630 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.16992572 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.21732671 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.25892041 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.29921120 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.30803499 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.30926844 Iran_N
0.34817590 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.35591988 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.36790231 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.38340201 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.43960670 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.46231113 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.46669944 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.57818588 Amerindian_Native
0.58954455 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.59435771 East_Asian
0.61180635 Nganasan
0.76585042 African_Nigerian
0.80092948 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: Francisco_scaled
Distance: 2.5407% / 0.02540664 | ADC: 0.25x RC
75.4 GlobularAmphora
10.8 Russia_MA1_HG.SG
9.0 Georgia_CHG
3.8 Amerindian_Native
1.0 Iran_N
It makes sense, but that's not new to me. You can model, broadly speaking, central and north Euro with GAC + some HG, and southern Euro with also a lot of GAC too but the difference is in what else they score, it's more "southern" stuff like Iran_N, Taforalt,...
Imo V1 is probably more realistic, where everybody was scoring a lot of GAC, but this one creates more distinct types of admixtures.
Simple Negro-level logic dictates that one should use samples from a parallel time interval. Mixing them usually indicates either extreme obtuseness or intentional trolling.
Upsilander
09-24-2024, 06:00 PM
Simple Negro-level logic dictates that one should use samples from a parallel time interval. Mixing them usually indicates either extreme obtuseness or intentional trolling.
What are you talking about... the "standard gold model" that has been fed for years to people, use samples from 13000 BC to Bronze age.
In studies they even use moderns alongside, like Nganassan.
That does seem to be happening, though.
Target: Lithuania_BA
Distance: 7.8662% / 0.07866221
33.0 Yamnaya
26.6 ANF
26.6 EHG
13.8 WHG
Target: Lithuania_BA
Distance: 9.0709% / 0.09070902
49.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
33.6 Macedonia_N
12.0 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
4.6 Georgia_CHG
Target: Lithuania_Marvele_Roman.SG
Distance: 10.3245% / 0.10324495
48.0 Russia_Karelia_HG
33.4 Macedonia_N
16.0 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
2.6 Georgia_CHG
Target: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG
Distance: 5.6561% / 0.05656149
56.6 GlobularAmphora
34.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
8.8 Georgia_CHG
Target: Polish
Distance: 7.0922% / 0.07092172
40.2 Russia_Karelia_HG
37.2 Macedonia_N
9.6 GlobularAmphora
6.8 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
5.8 Georgia_CHG
0.4 Iran_N
Does this mean that WHG survived in some form until the Bronze Age, or as an admixture?
Come to your senses.
What are you talking about... the "standard gold model" that has been fed for years to people, use samples from 13000 BC to Bronze age.
In studies they even use moderns alongside, like Nganassan.
They use it because these are extremely different populations and quite crucial in the process of ethnogenesis of Europe.
vader
09-24-2024, 06:27 PM
Target: Algarvio_scaled
Distance: 2.5478% / 0.02547768
52.4 GlobularAmphora
16.6 Macedonia_N
14.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
6.0 Iran_N
4.6 Georgia_CHG
4.0 Morocco_Taforalt
1.2 African_Nigerian
0.6 East_Asian
Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 6.8683% / 0.06868317
54.6 Amerindian_Native
25.2 GlobularAmphora
6.6 Israel_PPNB
4.4 AfontovaGora3
3.6 Georgia_CHG
3.0 African_Nigerian
2.6 Macedonia_N
Kostek
09-24-2024, 06:58 PM
Target: Kostek_scaled
Distance: 8.5012% / 0.08501237
42.0 Russia_Karelia_HG
37.6 Macedonia_N
8.2 GlobularAmphora
6.4 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
5.6 Iran_N
0.2 Georgia_CHG
Distance to: Kostek_scaled
0.17498361 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.23723081 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.24749722 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.27338966 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.29016800 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.31292213 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.32151252 Iran_N
0.32725297 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.33533101 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.35991713 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.36299349 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45807535 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.49038256 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.49595288 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.59101645 Amerindian_Native
0.60744878 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.61319034 East_Asian
0.61944238 Nganasan
0.77081466 African_Nigerian
0.81556377 Oceanian_Papuan
Rćdwald
09-24-2024, 07:36 PM
Target: Rćdwald
Distance: 4.5320% / 0.04532011
50.2 GlobularAmphora
31.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
9.0 Macedonia_N
5.6 Iran_N
3.6 Georgia_CHG
Distance to: Rćdwald
0.13655890 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.21806587 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.24867959 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.26457602 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.27455078 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.29256479 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.31313166 Iran_N
0.33042433 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.33921448 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.35048080 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.36636340 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.44311811 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.48077461 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.48682580 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.57696308 Amerindian_Native
0.59276037 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.59778042 East_Asian
0.60950093 Nganasan
0.77343652 African_Nigerian
0.80528693 Oceanian_Papuan
unmoggable
09-24-2024, 09:57 PM
Target: unmoggable
Distance: 5.1471% / 0.05147093
53.0 GlobularAmphora
28.0 Russia_Karelia_HG
9.4 Georgia_CHG
6.2 Macedonia_N
3.4 Iran_N
0.13858751 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.21606989 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.25588968 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.26200821 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.28170680 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.29197399 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.30736035 Iran_N
0.33685349 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.33828340 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.34595695 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.37310307 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45318183 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.48259670 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.48844941 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.59029197 Amerindian_Native
0.60296544 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.60814655 East_Asian
0.61836564 Nganasan
0.77305114 African_Nigerian
0.80941744 Oceanian_Papuan
celticdragongod
09-24-2024, 11:55 PM
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.14497850 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.22582669 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.24845269 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.27505262 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.28017085 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.30459966 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.32030281 Iran_N
0.33297945 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.34240290 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.35149514 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.36918100 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45722754 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.48887884 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.49533808 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.59207698 Amerindian_Native
0.60587346 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.61174939 East_Asian
0.61820648 Nganasan
0.77937887 African_Nigerian
0.81367517 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 6.0942% / 0.06094227
50.4 GlobularAmphora:I2433
32.6 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
8.6 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
7.0 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
1.4 Iran_N
celticdragongod
09-25-2024, 12:04 AM
Yes I think so as well. I did add Irish Neolithic samples but still just get GAC.
Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%,0.081953 ,0.09546,-0.101445,-0.002261,-0.09848,0.015339,0.032666,-0.004154,-0.159529,-0.105332,-0.001137,0.030273,-0.073141,-0.000275,0.057274,-0.011005,0.08814,0.003927,-0.03595,0.060154,0.07075,-0.020155,-0.005669,-0.04832,-0.001197
China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%,-0.027318,-0.260991,-0.075424,0.071383,0.033545,-0.018407,-0.00799,-0.003,0.040291,0.021322,-0.006333,-0.005995,-0.003568,-0.00523,-0.000407,-0.000663,0.008084,0.002407,-0.001131,0.027263,-0.001747,0.008037,-0.008874,-0.010845,0.011256
Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%,0.130897,0.109677,0.203645,0.198,0.1 62492,0.059125,0.015041,0.038075,0.100217,0.016219 ,-0.015427,-0.017235,0.019921,-0.001239,0.061346,0.07067,0.002608,0.007348,-0.008925,0.065406,0.117543,0.010387,-0.049422,-0.173639,0.019519
Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%,0.121791,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0 .156029,0.060798,0.017626,0.041537,0.093467,0.0178 59,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801
Israel_Natufian:I0861,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735
Israel_PPNB:I0867,0.07057,0.174671,-0.032809,-0.147612,0.03693,-0.068886,-0.018331,-0.00923,0.077719,0.043554,0.011205,-0.012589,0.0278,-0.006744,-0.02348,0.009944,0.02034,-0.008742,-0.001885,0.024637,0.000749,0.007048,-0.004807,-0.005422,-0.008742
Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %,0.079676,-0.023357,0.037335,0.186695,-0.070475,0.046575,-0.047472,-0.054921,-0.020452,-0.06925,0.028743,-0.010041,0.015907,-0.044865,0.017372,0.023071,-0.007302,0.00228,-0.00352,-0.00025,-0.028699,0.00371,0.011832,-0.006989,-0.002155
China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%,0.012521,-0.439724,0.062979,-0.050065,-0.029852,-0.029284,0.003055,0.001385,0.010022,0.011299,-0.045144,0.004196,-0.000297,0.001514,-0.007057,-0.010475,0.004824,0.006968,0.006034,0.02051,-0.00025,-0.015333,-0.011832,-0.005302,-0.020597
Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%,-0.191223,0.08632,-0.024136,-0.079781,0.021542,-0.06024,-0.069798,0.028153,0.16096,0.003462,0.014615,-0.035968,0.079236,-0.052297,0.077496,-0.051577,-0.004042,-0.062077,-0.152723,0.03214,-0.042425,-0.122045,0.066307,-0.014098,0.014849
Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%,-0.196914,0.08632,-0.017725,-0.089794,0.028005,-0.060519,-0.074028,0.017768,0.157688,0.000182,0.015914,-0.037916,0.084588,-0.053398,0.066639,-0.038053,0.01004,-0.069679,-0.149204,0.036768,-0.038432,-0.130083,0.067417,-0.014942,0.020836
Oceanian_Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048
Amerindian_Native,0.0529278,-0.328016,0.1120048,0.0774392,-0.1061738,-0.0184068,-0.1983488,-0.2347978,-0.0037325,-0.020137,0.0082817,-0.0034098,0.0063925,6.87e-05,-0.0151328,-0.004508,-0.0005215,0.0032622,0.0115015,0.0073472,0.0038682,-0.0107578,0.0027115,0.0062055,0.0092805
East_Asian,0.0229543,-0.445479,0.0130733,-0.059109,0.0362118,0.0093428,0.003525,0.0005768,-0.0065105,0.0106607,-0.0740492,-0.0074685,0.011546,-0.0070647,-0.0110612,-0.004464,0.0003042,0.0035895,0.001676,-0.0092547,0.0270355,-0.01659,0.0049093,0.003374,-0.0419723
African_Nigerian,-0.6321452,0.064613,0.02324,0.0182899,-0.0031929,0.0146768,-0.0412151,0.0464115,-0.0510541,0.0350349,0.0082612,-0.0014613,0.0233582,0.0032685,0.012147,-0.0095133,0.0067475,0.003294,0.006065,-0.0035332,0.0003899,0.0012829,-0.000724,-0.0002561,-0.000928
GlobularAmphora:I2433,0.130897,0.17264,0.054305,-0.016796,0.084631,-0.024821,-0.00094,0.006231,0.054403,0.075992,-0.00682,0.011839,-0.017839,-0.013487,-0.003664,0.004508,0.007171,0.007221,0.002891,-0.003877,0.012104,0.010263,-0.013557,-0.016267,-0.008382
Nganasan,0.04607556,-0.40763356,0.1544837,0.00202844,-0.15847882,-0.08824092,0.02761354,0.0420029,0.02909144,0.01285 488,0.10069696,0.00973238,-0.0049267,-0.02773364,-0.02081676,-0.01034464,0.00331436,0.01400164,0.02512448,-0.00024764,0.04220558,-0.01291678,0.03254234,-0.00104348,0.01370884
Iran_N,0.0450478,0.0725128,-0.1507442,-0.0065076,-0.1148557,0.0178132,0.0139621,-0.0018905,-0.0756186,-0.0496011,-0.00099,-0.002099,0.00474,-0.0059417,0.0266246,0.0516964,-0.0069899,0.0050295,0.0132112,-0.0320451,0.0075763,-0.0249938,-0.0090666,-0.0350722,0.0195965
Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%,0.125 205,0.034528,0.137272,0.204137,-0.015695,0.057451,-0.026791,-0.03046,-0.01084,-0.090571,0.025982,-0.009591,0.022745,-0.048581,0.019679,0.016309,-0.022426,0.0019,-0.006913,0.017258,-0.004617,0.011747,0.007025,-0.020485,-0.008502
AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3,0.093335,-0.01828,0.083344,0.231592,-0.091402,0.042949,-0.063688,-0.078228,-0.035383,-0.096221,0.047417,-0.010491,0.023637,-0.074454,0.020358,0.02254,-0.012908,0.003801,-0.003394,0.000625,-0.03706,0.015209,0.013927,0.009278,-0.005149
Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%,0.125205,0. 183811,0.001508,-0.105299,0.060627,-0.046296,0.00141,-0.001385,0.041109,0.087291,0.016239,0.01169,-0.026462,0.00234,-0.042073,-0.011535,0.025295,-0.00076,0.014204,-0.011881,-0.017344,0.009521,-0.003081,0.002651,-0.009939
Ireland_EN_MN.SG,0.1256608,0.1708122,0.0541546,-0.0374034,0.0853082,-0.0247094,-0.003478,0.0025386,0.0637708,0.0891498,0.0031502,0 .0126788,-0.0277404,-0.0183314,-0.0108306,0.0093608,0.022739,0.004738,0.0017596,-0.0007504,0.012403,0.0049462,-0.0150116,-0.0294018,0.0015566
Ireland_EN.SG,0.1254898,0.1728938,0.0476115,-0.0424745,0.0841695,-0.025937,-0.0049938,-0.0008075,0.0651408,0.0874278,-0.0007305,0.011652,-0.027688,-0.0103563,-0.010756,-0.0005305,0.0058348,0.003484,0.0013512,-0.002157,0.0087972,0.001793,-0.014882,-0.0290402,0.0022153
Ireland_Megalithic.SG,0.1257747,0.1711167,0.047265 8,-0.037145,0.0808355,-0.0239847,-0.001175,0.0012692,0.0613232,0.0872303,-0.0011367,0.0134132,-0.0241327,-0.0099775,-0.0127352,-0.002033,0.0172323,0.0032093,8.40E-05,-0.0027513,0.0086097,0.0064505,-0.011092,-0.0302052,0.0016565
Ireland_MN.SG,0.1267376,0.171312,0.0529563,-0.0366232,0.0856254,-0.0239202,-0.0031002,0.0013134,0.0618606,0.0878168,-0.001549,0.0129347,-0.0289545,-0.0113856,-0.0095578,0.0022081,0.0130183,0.0038347,0.0025671,-0.0019577,0.0104575,0.0052268,-0.0154817,-0.0322103,0.0018884
Ireland_N.SG,0.121791,0.165531,0.052043,-0.036822,0.083092,-0.010598,-0.00141,0.003461,0.061153,0.084558,-0.003085,0.015586,-0.028692,-0.011973,-0.006786,0.001724,0.014864,0.00266,0.007039,-0.011255,0.014225,0.004204,-0.011216,-0.034945,-0.001916
Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.14733303 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.16741030 Ireland_N.SG
0.17148723 Ireland_Megalithic.SG
0.17219812 Ireland_MN.SG
0.17527438 Ireland_EN_MN.SG
0.17602397 Ireland_EN.SG
0.23312589 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.24369002 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.27810952 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.27852970 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.30635681 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.31971005 Iran_N
0.33006097 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.33232889 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.34526690 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.35876047 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45942029 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.49317163 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.49939998 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.59107767 Amerindian_Native
0.60799554 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.61401707 East_Asian
0.62174959 Nganasan
0.78416982 African_Nigerian
0.81291249 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 5.5341% / 0.05534052
58.6 GlobularAmphora
30.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
10.6 Georgia_CHG
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.14497850 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.16407454 Ireland_N.SG
0.16823249 Ireland_Megalithic.SG
0.16943206 Ireland_MN.SG
0.17246991 Ireland_EN.SG
0.17288553 Ireland_EN_MN.SG
0.22582669 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.24845269 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.27505262 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.28017085 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.30459966 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.32030281 Iran_N
0.33297945 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.34240290 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.35149514 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.36918100 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45722754 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.48887884 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.49533808 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.59207698 Amerindian_Native
0.60587346 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.61174939 East_Asian
0.61820648 Nganasan
0.77937887 African_Nigerian
0.81367517 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 6.0942% / 0.06094227
50.4 GlobularAmphora:I2433
32.6 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
8.6 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
7.0 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
1.4 Iran_N
Eurafricanid
09-25-2024, 02:36 PM
Does this mean that WHG survived in some form until the Bronze Age, or as an admixture?
Come to your senses.
No, but it does mean that baltic farmers were very different from Globular Amphora, that's all, they were much more WHG and EHG than Globular Amphora.
Early-to-middle Baltic Neolithic:
Target: Lithuania_EMN_Narva
Distance: 3.6961% / 0.03696101
68.6 WHG
24.6 EHG
4.6 ANF
2.2 Yamnaya
noricum
09-25-2024, 02:41 PM
Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 6.4883% / 0.06488292
36.8 GlobularAmphora
33.2 Russia_Karelia_HG
22.0 Macedonia_N
7.6 Iran_N
0.4 Georgia_CHG
Distance to: G25noricum_scaled
0.14122118 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.21298017 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.26023086 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.26218465 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.28754011 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.29363185 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.31218445 Iran_N
0.34357559 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.34741861 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.35500396 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.37563479 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45884049 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.48470467 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.49082956 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.59647800 Amerindian_Native
0.60821046 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.61356753 East_Asian
0.62267455 Nganasan
0.77652824 African_Nigerian
0.81280753 Oceanian_Papuan
No, but it doesn mean that baltic farmers were very different from Globular Amphora, that's all, they were much more WHG and EHG than Globular Amphora.
Early-to-middle Baltic Neolithic:
Target: Lithuania_EMN_Narva
Distance: 3.6961% / 0.03696101
68.6 WHG
24.6 EHG
4.6 ANF
2.2 Yamnaya
Great. I ignore the issue of the age of the sample. Now show me the highest EEF ancient sample you can find in Lithuania or Latvia.
Upsilander
09-25-2024, 05:57 PM
Self reflecting here but ideas are welcomed for maybe other versions. Something i don't like as well is the fact that Iran neo and CHG are overlapping too much. Comparing with and without CHG makes it very clear. Those who get high CHG get low Iran, and the reverse effect. I even start to score a good amount of it when i was scoring none with the original dataset
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 5.7014% / 0.05701410
49.6 GlobularAmphora
32.2 Russia_Karelia_HG
13.6 Macedonia_N
4.6 Iran_N
So from a few samples run, i think people would score a lot of Iran with this no-chg model but it doesn't degrade the fits almost at all for Europeans, because it's also all the stuff that is hiding in the "Yamnaya" but the calculator is much better to separate for example Irish and Ukrainians.
Again open to ideas, now most regular have posted their results.
No, but it doesn mean that baltic farmers were very different from Globular Amphora, that's all, they were much more WHG and EHG than Globular Amphora.
Early-to-middle Baltic Neolithic:
Target: Lithuania_EMN_Narva
Distance: 3.6961% / 0.03696101
68.6 WHG
24.6 EHG
4.6 ANF
2.2 Yamnaya
Hello Mr. Eurafricanid, I asked you a simple question. But I would like to ask for an early, strongly Macedonian sample, without WHG, of course.
Eurafricanid
09-25-2024, 05:58 PM
Great. I ignore the issue of the age of the sample. Now show me the highest EEF ancient sample you can find in Lithuania or Latvia.
What does that have to do with anything? Finding the EEF sample for Lithuania or Latvia has nothing to do with my point, which is that GAC is a different type of ANF/WHG mix than the Baltic ANF/WHG, that's why the people with high baltic admixture don't match the CAG, matching the isolated ANF instead, because the baltic WHG source was a different source of WHG.
What does that have to do with anything? Finding the EEF sample for Lithuania or Latvia has nothing to do with my point, which is that GAC is a different type of ANF/WHG mix than the Baltic ANF/WHG, that's why the people with high baltic admixture don't match the CAG, matching the isolated ANF instead, because the baltic WHG source was a different source of WHG.
Dear Sirs, in this thread we are talking about the source of Neolithic admixture, whether it is GAC or Macedonian Neolithic. I refers here to our earlier exchange of ideas.
I'll save you time and let's see when the significant EEF admixture reached Lithuania.
https://i.ibb.co/G2Lmqh0/Zrzut-ekranu-25-9-2024-195942-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://ibb.co/J74Z9hK)
And now let's see what it looks like in the extended version.
https://i.ibb.co/pLgJr53/Zrzut-ekranu-25-9-2024-20912-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://ibb.co/1m38Jj9)
Eurafricanid
09-25-2024, 06:04 PM
Dear Sirs, in this thread we are talking about the source of Neolithic admixture, whether it is GAC or Macedonian Neolithic. I refers here to our earlier exchange of ideas.
The Macedonian Nelithic is clearly a proxy for pure ANF, not a source of anything.
Upsilander
09-25-2024, 06:05 PM
Dear Sirs, in this thread we are talking about the source of Neolithic admixture, whether it is GAC or Macedonian Neolithic. I refers here to our earlier exchange of ideas.
Macedonia has no WHG and GAC has the most WHG, which is the whole point. "Baltic farmers" are not really neolithic, they are just hunters, like intermediate WHG and SHG or something like that. Something tagged neolithic doesn't necessarily have to be neolithic genetically it's just a time frame. So im not sure what you are wondering exactly.
The Macedonian Nelithic is clearly a proxy for pure ANF, not a source of anything.
Don't make a fool of yourself, just yesterday you said it was the correct model.
https://i.ibb.co/pX5CCZq/Zrzut-ekranu-25-9-2024-202020-www-theapricity-com.jpg (https://ibb.co/PC0BB4k)
Upsilander
09-25-2024, 06:41 PM
PCA visualization
2D
https://i.postimg.cc/WTB2G4vh/pcaGAC1.png
3D
https://i.postimg.cc/Dvph8v6f/Capturepca3d.png
Eurafricanid
09-25-2024, 07:11 PM
Don't make a fool of yourself, just yesterday you said it was the correct model.
https://i.ibb.co/pX5CCZq/Zrzut-ekranu-25-9-2024-202020-www-theapricity-com.jpg (https://ibb.co/PC0BB4k)
I wasn't saying that Macedonian Neolithic peoples just were literally on the Baltic region, all I said was that the sepparation seemed to be happening with the baltic samples and not with other non-baltic samples.
I don't see why it can't be the correct model though.
R1b-L51
09-25-2024, 07:39 PM
Distance to: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
0.09817309 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.16299102 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.20532245 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.24282717 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.30075715 Iran_N
0.30921747 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.31842001 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.34603281 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.36606255 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.38016396 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.39450340 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.43855354 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.44421293 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.44457932 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.59761441 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.59805094 Amerindian_Native
0.60278580 East_Asian
0.61969020 Nganasan
0.74602454 African_Nigerian
0.80009689 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 3.2718% / 0.03271763
58.4 GlobularAmphora
12.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
9.6 Macedonia_N
7.2 Iran_N
6.0 Georgia_CHG
5.2 Morocco_Taforalt
0.6 African_Nigerian
0.2 East_Asian
I don't understand the purpose of this autosomal but...
:noidea::shrug::shrug::shrug:
R1b-L51
09-25-2024, 07:53 PM
Yes I think so as well. I did add Irish Neolithic samples but still just get GAC.
Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%,0.081953 ,0.09546,-0.101445,-0.002261,-0.09848,0.015339,0.032666,-0.004154,-0.159529,-0.105332,-0.001137,0.030273,-0.073141,-0.000275,0.057274,-0.011005,0.08814,0.003927,-0.03595,0.060154,0.07075,-0.020155,-0.005669,-0.04832,-0.001197
China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%,-0.027318,-0.260991,-0.075424,0.071383,0.033545,-0.018407,-0.00799,-0.003,0.040291,0.021322,-0.006333,-0.005995,-0.003568,-0.00523,-0.000407,-0.000663,0.008084,0.002407,-0.001131,0.027263,-0.001747,0.008037,-0.008874,-0.010845,0.011256
Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%,0.130897,0.109677,0.203645,0.198,0.1 62492,0.059125,0.015041,0.038075,0.100217,0.016219 ,-0.015427,-0.017235,0.019921,-0.001239,0.061346,0.07067,0.002608,0.007348,-0.008925,0.065406,0.117543,0.010387,-0.049422,-0.173639,0.019519
Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%,0.121791,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0 .156029,0.060798,0.017626,0.041537,0.093467,0.0178 59,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801
Israel_Natufian:I0861,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735
Israel_PPNB:I0867,0.07057,0.174671,-0.032809,-0.147612,0.03693,-0.068886,-0.018331,-0.00923,0.077719,0.043554,0.011205,-0.012589,0.0278,-0.006744,-0.02348,0.009944,0.02034,-0.008742,-0.001885,0.024637,0.000749,0.007048,-0.004807,-0.005422,-0.008742
Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %,0.079676,-0.023357,0.037335,0.186695,-0.070475,0.046575,-0.047472,-0.054921,-0.020452,-0.06925,0.028743,-0.010041,0.015907,-0.044865,0.017372,0.023071,-0.007302,0.00228,-0.00352,-0.00025,-0.028699,0.00371,0.011832,-0.006989,-0.002155
China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%,0.012521,-0.439724,0.062979,-0.050065,-0.029852,-0.029284,0.003055,0.001385,0.010022,0.011299,-0.045144,0.004196,-0.000297,0.001514,-0.007057,-0.010475,0.004824,0.006968,0.006034,0.02051,-0.00025,-0.015333,-0.011832,-0.005302,-0.020597
Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%,-0.191223,0.08632,-0.024136,-0.079781,0.021542,-0.06024,-0.069798,0.028153,0.16096,0.003462,0.014615,-0.035968,0.079236,-0.052297,0.077496,-0.051577,-0.004042,-0.062077,-0.152723,0.03214,-0.042425,-0.122045,0.066307,-0.014098,0.014849
Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%,-0.196914,0.08632,-0.017725,-0.089794,0.028005,-0.060519,-0.074028,0.017768,0.157688,0.000182,0.015914,-0.037916,0.084588,-0.053398,0.066639,-0.038053,0.01004,-0.069679,-0.149204,0.036768,-0.038432,-0.130083,0.067417,-0.014942,0.020836
Oceanian_Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048
Amerindian_Native,0.0529278,-0.328016,0.1120048,0.0774392,-0.1061738,-0.0184068,-0.1983488,-0.2347978,-0.0037325,-0.020137,0.0082817,-0.0034098,0.0063925,6.87e-05,-0.0151328,-0.004508,-0.0005215,0.0032622,0.0115015,0.0073472,0.0038682,-0.0107578,0.0027115,0.0062055,0.0092805
East_Asian,0.0229543,-0.445479,0.0130733,-0.059109,0.0362118,0.0093428,0.003525,0.0005768,-0.0065105,0.0106607,-0.0740492,-0.0074685,0.011546,-0.0070647,-0.0110612,-0.004464,0.0003042,0.0035895,0.001676,-0.0092547,0.0270355,-0.01659,0.0049093,0.003374,-0.0419723
African_Nigerian,-0.6321452,0.064613,0.02324,0.0182899,-0.0031929,0.0146768,-0.0412151,0.0464115,-0.0510541,0.0350349,0.0082612,-0.0014613,0.0233582,0.0032685,0.012147,-0.0095133,0.0067475,0.003294,0.006065,-0.0035332,0.0003899,0.0012829,-0.000724,-0.0002561,-0.000928
GlobularAmphora:I2433,0.130897,0.17264,0.054305,-0.016796,0.084631,-0.024821,-0.00094,0.006231,0.054403,0.075992,-0.00682,0.011839,-0.017839,-0.013487,-0.003664,0.004508,0.007171,0.007221,0.002891,-0.003877,0.012104,0.010263,-0.013557,-0.016267,-0.008382
Nganasan,0.04607556,-0.40763356,0.1544837,0.00202844,-0.15847882,-0.08824092,0.02761354,0.0420029,0.02909144,0.01285 488,0.10069696,0.00973238,-0.0049267,-0.02773364,-0.02081676,-0.01034464,0.00331436,0.01400164,0.02512448,-0.00024764,0.04220558,-0.01291678,0.03254234,-0.00104348,0.01370884
Iran_N,0.0450478,0.0725128,-0.1507442,-0.0065076,-0.1148557,0.0178132,0.0139621,-0.0018905,-0.0756186,-0.0496011,-0.00099,-0.002099,0.00474,-0.0059417,0.0266246,0.0516964,-0.0069899,0.0050295,0.0132112,-0.0320451,0.0075763,-0.0249938,-0.0090666,-0.0350722,0.0195965
Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%,0.125 205,0.034528,0.137272,0.204137,-0.015695,0.057451,-0.026791,-0.03046,-0.01084,-0.090571,0.025982,-0.009591,0.022745,-0.048581,0.019679,0.016309,-0.022426,0.0019,-0.006913,0.017258,-0.004617,0.011747,0.007025,-0.020485,-0.008502
AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3,0.093335,-0.01828,0.083344,0.231592,-0.091402,0.042949,-0.063688,-0.078228,-0.035383,-0.096221,0.047417,-0.010491,0.023637,-0.074454,0.020358,0.02254,-0.012908,0.003801,-0.003394,0.000625,-0.03706,0.015209,0.013927,0.009278,-0.005149
Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%,0.125205,0. 183811,0.001508,-0.105299,0.060627,-0.046296,0.00141,-0.001385,0.041109,0.087291,0.016239,0.01169,-0.026462,0.00234,-0.042073,-0.011535,0.025295,-0.00076,0.014204,-0.011881,-0.017344,0.009521,-0.003081,0.002651,-0.009939
Ireland_EN_MN.SG,0.1256608,0.1708122,0.0541546,-0.0374034,0.0853082,-0.0247094,-0.003478,0.0025386,0.0637708,0.0891498,0.0031502,0 .0126788,-0.0277404,-0.0183314,-0.0108306,0.0093608,0.022739,0.004738,0.0017596,-0.0007504,0.012403,0.0049462,-0.0150116,-0.0294018,0.0015566
Ireland_EN.SG,0.1254898,0.1728938,0.0476115,-0.0424745,0.0841695,-0.025937,-0.0049938,-0.0008075,0.0651408,0.0874278,-0.0007305,0.011652,-0.027688,-0.0103563,-0.010756,-0.0005305,0.0058348,0.003484,0.0013512,-0.002157,0.0087972,0.001793,-0.014882,-0.0290402,0.0022153
Ireland_Megalithic.SG,0.1257747,0.1711167,0.047265 8,-0.037145,0.0808355,-0.0239847,-0.001175,0.0012692,0.0613232,0.0872303,-0.0011367,0.0134132,-0.0241327,-0.0099775,-0.0127352,-0.002033,0.0172323,0.0032093,8.40E-05,-0.0027513,0.0086097,0.0064505,-0.011092,-0.0302052,0.0016565
Ireland_MN.SG,0.1267376,0.171312,0.0529563,-0.0366232,0.0856254,-0.0239202,-0.0031002,0.0013134,0.0618606,0.0878168,-0.001549,0.0129347,-0.0289545,-0.0113856,-0.0095578,0.0022081,0.0130183,0.0038347,0.0025671,-0.0019577,0.0104575,0.0052268,-0.0154817,-0.0322103,0.0018884
Ireland_N.SG,0.121791,0.165531,0.052043,-0.036822,0.083092,-0.010598,-0.00141,0.003461,0.061153,0.084558,-0.003085,0.015586,-0.028692,-0.011973,-0.006786,0.001724,0.014864,0.00266,0.007039,-0.011255,0.014225,0.004204,-0.011216,-0.034945,-0.001916
Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.14733303 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.16741030 Ireland_N.SG
0.17148723 Ireland_Megalithic.SG
0.17219812 Ireland_MN.SG
0.17527438 Ireland_EN_MN.SG
0.17602397 Ireland_EN.SG
0.23312589 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.24369002 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.27810952 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.27852970 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.30635681 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.31971005 Iran_N
0.33006097 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.33232889 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.34526690 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.35876047 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45942029 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.49317163 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.49939998 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.59107767 Amerindian_Native
0.60799554 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.61401707 East_Asian
0.62174959 Nganasan
0.78416982 African_Nigerian
0.81291249 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 5.5341% / 0.05534052
58.6 GlobularAmphora
30.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
10.6 Georgia_CHG
Distance to: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
0.09817309 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.10884145 Ireland_N.SG
0.11059267 Ireland_Megalithic.SG
0.11379418 Ireland_EN.SG
0.11400082 Ireland_MN.SG
0.11808410 Ireland_EN_MN.SG
0.16299102 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.20532245 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.24282717 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.30075715 Iran_N
0.30921747 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.31842001 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.34603281 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.36606255 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.38016396 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.39450340 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.43855354 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.44421293 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.44457932 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.59761441 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.59805094 Amerindian_Native
0.60278580 East_Asian
0.61969020 Nganasan
0.74602454 African_Nigerian
0.80009689 Oceanian_Papuan
And also same as before...
Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 3.2718% / 0.03271763
58.4 GlobularAmphora
12.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
9.6 Macedonia_N
7.2 Iran_N
6.0 Georgia_CHG
5.2 Morocco_Taforalt
0.6 African_Nigerian
0.2 East_Asian
Upsilander
09-25-2024, 08:06 PM
Distance to: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
0.09817309 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.10884145 Ireland_N.SG
0.11059267 Ireland_Megalithic.SG
0.11379418 Ireland_EN.SG
0.11400082 Ireland_MN.SG
0.11808410 Ireland_EN_MN.SG
0.16299102 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.20532245 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.24282717 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.30075715 Iran_N
0.30921747 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.31842001 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.34603281 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.36606255 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.38016396 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.39450340 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.43855354 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.44421293 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.44457932 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.59761441 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.59805094 Amerindian_Native
0.60278580 East_Asian
0.61969020 Nganasan
0.74602454 African_Nigerian
0.80009689 Oceanian_Papuan
And also same as before...
Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 3.2718% / 0.03271763
58.4 GlobularAmphora
12.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
9.6 Macedonia_N
7.2 Iran_N
6.0 Georgia_CHG
5.2 Morocco_Taforalt
0.6 African_Nigerian
0.2 East_Asian
You can't really escape the "lightest people who ever walked the earth" :cool:
But seeing the PCA you can indeed model Spanish as GAC + something in the direction of east med/caucasus, the second part is certainly more complex, bit of NA too, but in broad terms it works also.
R1b-L51
09-25-2024, 08:07 PM
LOL
https://output.jsbin.com/gojecoh
Use your samples on this and maybe you'll understand something more.
950 models (4 ms):
0.066 Icelandic = 63% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 37% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.068 Irish = 65% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 35% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.068 Irish_Ulster = 65% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 35% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.074 Irish = 72% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 28% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.074 cass = 51% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 49% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.074 Irish = 52% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 48% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.074 Irish_Ulster = 72% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 28% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.075 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 54% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22% + 46% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.075 Irish = 69% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 31% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.076 Icelandic = 50% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 50% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.076 cass = 63% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 37% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.077 Irish_Ulster = 68% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 32% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.077 Irish_Ulster = 52% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 48% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.077 Icelandic = 71% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 29% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.080 Icelandic = 67% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 33% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.082 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 56% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 44% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.087 cass = 67% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 33% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.089 cass = 71% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 29% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.097 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 61% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 39% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.097 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 66% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 34% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.098 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 58% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22% + 42% Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.104 cass = 54% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22% + 46% Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.107 Icelandic = 55% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22% + 45% Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.108 Irish = 53% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22% + 47% Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.111 Irish = 61% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 39% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.113 Irish_Ulster = 54% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22% + 46% Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.113 Irish = 79% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 21% Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.114 Irish_Ulster = 61% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 39% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.114 Irish = 56% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 44% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.116 Irish_Ulster = 79% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 21% Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.118 Icelandic = 60% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 40% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.118 Irish = 78% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 22% Iran_N
0.118 cass = 61% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 39% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.118 Irish_Ulster = 56% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 44% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.118 cass = 55% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 45% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.121 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 56% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 44% AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.121 Icelandic = 55% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 45% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.121 Irish_Ulster = 79% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 21% Iran_N
0.122 Icelandic = 79% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 21% Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.122 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 50% Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44% + 50% Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.125 Irish = 89% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 11% Amerindian_Native
0.126 Icelandic = 79% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 21% Iran_N
0.127 cass = 78% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 22% Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.129 Irish_Ulster = 90% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 10% Amerindian_Native
0.129 cass = 77% GlobularAmphora:I2433 + 23% Iran_N
0.131 Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics) = 62% Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22% + 38% Israel_Natufian:I0861
I'm agree. It is a system of equations with too many unknowns (or variables) I would say...
R1b-L51
09-25-2024, 08:21 PM
You can't really escape the "lightest people who ever walked the earth" :cool:
But seeing the PCA you can indeed model Spanish as GAC + something in the direction of east med/caucasus, the second part is certainly more complex, bit of NA too, but in broad terms it works also.
I don't understand shit friend. What does NA mean?
I think I am simply an amphoric (like the rest of the Iberian people), only in my case because I am from the northwest at the crossroads between the route of the Roman silver road (way of the North African shepherds of the Neolithic), and the later path of Santiago/St. James' Way (route of the Visigoths, Suebi and Alans, and after residents of the Gothic fields of Castile), I think that explains why it has traces of black on the part of the shepherds, and traces of Asian on the barbarian Germanic tribes (which, as has been explained in this forum, they are not exactly German or Nordic, but something similar to the Kurds/Alans)
I wasn't saying that Macedonian Neolithic peoples just were literally on the Baltic region, all I said was that the sepparation seemed to be happening with the baltic samples and not with other non-baltic samples.
I don't see why it can't be the correct model though.
I understand that simple tables require special explanation for you. As you can see, until 2700 BC there was a slight admixture of EEF on the eastern shore of the Baltic Sea, probably in a form strongly mixed with WHG. The Macedonian Neolithic was not parachuted into Lithuania over the GAC bypassing Ukraine and Poland - as this model suggests. The EEF element in an amount of over 20% was brought to the Baltic States by the Late Corded. This happened after the GAC population was absorbed by the Corded Ware in Ukraine and/or Poland. This is clearly visible during the eastward movement of the Post Codred-Fatyanovo formation. It is with this population that the later Baltic samples mainly correlate.
https://i.ibb.co/G2Lmqh0/Zrzut-ekranu-25-9-2024-195942-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://ibb.co/J74Z9hK)
https://i.ibb.co/pLgJr53/Zrzut-ekranu-25-9-2024-20912-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://ibb.co/1m38Jj9)
You can't really escape the "lightest people who ever walked the earth" :cool:
But seeing the PCA you can indeed model Spanish as GAC + something in the direction of east med/caucasus, the second part is certainly more complex, bit of NA too, but in broad terms it works also.
With all due respect, G25 hardly distinguishes between late Neolithic groups with a profile of 80% EEF, 20% WHG. It is necessary to use a wide range of samples from the period 3000-2500 to conclude that the Basques are a native population and not drawn from Central Europe.
IMO, an additional factor that misleads ckalcularor is the slight admixture of Yamnay in GAC, which makes it confusingly similar to modern Basques.
R1b-L51
09-25-2024, 08:40 PM
With all due respect, G25 hardly distinguishes between late Neolithic groups with a profile of 80% EEF, 20% WHG. It is necessary to use a wide range of samples from the period 3000-2500 to conclude that the Basques are a native population and not drawn from Central Europe.
IMO, an additional factor that misleads ckalcularor is the slight admixture of Yamnay in GAC, which makes it confusingly similar to modern Basques.
Aymeric Picaud included in his guide for pilgrims on the Camino de Santiago the belief that the Navarrese (in reference to the Basques of peninsular Vasconia) and Basques (in references to the Basques of continental Vasconia) were of Scottish origin. Scottish.
No researcher today believes in the supposed mysterious origin of the Basque language and ethnicity and all the chronicles of history demonstrate that those men to whom the Celts gave the name of Vascones (barscunes which in the Celtic language means "those from above" or " those at the top") and whom the Romans described as "savage warriors of various races" and "with a language and customs that were completely different from the Celtic peoples of the area" (180 BC), were not native inhabitants of the place where the Celts They were given the name but rather came from the Berber troops who abandoned Hannibal (219 BC), when, about to cross the Pyrenees, they learned that they were marching to fight against Rome.
It is inexplicable that the Basque nationalists, who have dedicated so much time and effort to unraveling their past and reconstructing their history, have not given any explanation about the fate of those troops who fled in disarray precisely in the place where years later the Romans located the vascones Ignorance of the event is especially suspicious considering that it is the only explanation for the presence of the Basques in that area, for the continuous looting that from then on the Celtic inhabitants of those plots began to suffer until well into the 14th century, and for the invariable subsequent collaboration of the Vascons with all the Berber troops that arrived there, such as the Saracens of Muza.
Upsilander
09-26-2024, 10:09 AM
I don't understand shit friend. What does NA mean?
I think I am simply an amphoric (like the rest of the Iberian people), only in my case because I am from the northwest at the crossroads between the route of the Roman silver road (way of the North African shepherds of the Neolithic), and the later path of Santiago/St. James' Way (route of the Visigoths, Suebi and Alans, and after residents of the Gothic fields of Castile), I think that explains why it has traces of black on the part of the shepherds, and traces of Asian on the barbarian Germanic tribes (which, as has been explained in this forum, they are not exactly German or Nordic, but something similar to the Kurds/Alans)
Watch the video i posted, you thumbed it up so you must have watched it.
With all due respect, G25 hardly distinguishes between late Neolithic groups with a profile of 80% EEF, 20% WHG. It is necessary to use a wide range of samples from the period 3000-2500 to conclude that the Basques are a native population and not drawn from Central Europe.
IMO, an additional factor that misleads ckalcularor is the slight admixture of Yamnay in GAC, which makes it confusingly similar to modern Basques.
It's something SHG/EHG preceeding the GAC neolithic culture there. Anecdotical 1% anyway and some don't even score it. If you score 50% GAC that accounts for 0.x% ANE, without anything else, Yamnaya would score a lot of other "things" than just Mal'ta.
It just shows which population prefers this particular ratio of neolithic and WHG, over early farmer + IE. On a PCA it's clear, from GAC everybody just got more Mongoloid, but we go either into the direction of Siberians, or more south eastern eurasian influences. We are indeed all mongrels compared to GAC (or MAC) and that is easily demonstrable:
Distance to: GlobularAmphora
0.65760912 East_Asian
0.66079456 Amerindian_Native
0.80647072 African_Nigerian
0.83168488 Oceanian_Papuan
Compare it to your scores and we can all wonder what happened after GAC.
This happened:
Distance to: Georgia_CHG
0.63626281 Amerindian_Native
0.63824011 East_Asian
0.77978937 African_Nigerian
0.82275754 Oceanian_Papuan
Distance to: Russia_Karelia_HG
0.50066633 Amerindian_Native
0.60064521 East_Asian
0.80835105 African_Nigerian
0.81502222 Oceanian_Papuan
Distance to: Iran_N
0.58858451 East_Asian
0.59338727 Amerindian_Native
0.72328100 African_Nigerian
0.78181120 Oceanian_Papuan
That's what we call Yamnaya:
Distance to: Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.53753926 Amerindian_Native
0.58940399 East_Asian
0.77499708 African_Nigerian
0.80031911 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
Distance: 5.5627% / 0.05562711
59.4 Russia_Karelia_HG
17.6 Georgia_CHG
12.2 Iran_N
10.8 Macedonia_N
Doesn't choose GAC either because they had no extra WHG other than the part already in EHG:
Target: Russia_Karelia_HG
Distance: 6.6076% / 0.06607632
71.2 AfontovaGora3
22.0 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
5.6 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG
1.2 Georgia_CHG
Distance to: AfontovaGora3
0.43371890 Amerindian_Native
0.58766807 East_Asian
0.78820497 Oceanian_Papuan
0.79722049 African_Nigerian
Distance to: Italy_North_Villabruna_HG
0.69561168 Amerindian_Native
0.70875443 East_Asian
0.85453761 African_Nigerian
0.87970921 Oceanian_Papuan
Distance to: Luxembourg_Loschbour_HG
0.70405313 Amerindian_Native
0.72171586 East_Asian
0.87542333 African_Nigerian
0.89094300 Oceanian_Papuan
Let's not even talk about how we are now compared to WHG's :picard1:
Watch the video i posted, you thumbed it up so you must have watched it.
I saw how his model looks in action for RNB27 and his brother. This is such a spread that I have lost faith that it is a reliable analysis. You can find the results of other members in some thread.
I did a special analysis of the genetic structure of Spain. None of the antique samples are similar to GAC. If it reached Spain, it was only through residual BB, Celtic or Visigoth. In my opinion, the first wave of Yamnay did not include it.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?388700-The-genetic-history-of-Spain-in-the-light-of-the-G25-analysis
Athalafuns
09-26-2024, 10:34 AM
I saw how his model looks in action for RNB27 and his brother. This is such a spread that I have lost faith that it is a reliable analysis. You can find the results of other members in some thread.
I should add: it predicted my brother's phenotype as Nordid and Proto-Nordid, but the reality is not that. It is an interesting tool but should be taken with a grain of salt, at least for now, based on my own experience.
Upsilander
09-26-2024, 10:48 AM
I saw how his model looks in action for RNB27 and his brother. This is such a spread that I have lost faith that it is a reliable analysis. You can find the results of other members in some thread.
I did a special analysis of the genetic structure of Spain. None of the antique samples are similar to GAC. If it reached Spain, it was only through residual BB, Celtic or Visigoth. In my opinion, the first wave of Yamnay did not include it.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?388700-The-genetic-history-of-Spain-in-the-light-of-the-G25-analysis
It's useful for populations as a whole, not individuals. There is a clear tendency compared to other populations like WHG and Yamnaya, confirmed in actual studies. We know for a long time the funnelbeakers for example had depigmentation too. Phenotypes are a bit subjective but not pigment alleles. It shouldn't be too surprising a population more distant to everything non European would have developped this features than the others with more affinities to Africans, Amerindians and East Asians. WHG is even more that, but it's very old, though they already had some blue eyes.
Spain EN/MN/LN score both GAC and MAC really, 50/40 on average. (The 1st CA is just for comparison)
https://i.postimg.cc/HYkX2JQf/Capture-Spain2.png
From the Neolithic onward they just got IE and some southern influences (NA, east med, etc...)
It's useful for populations as a whole, not individuals. There is a clear tendency compared to other populations like WHG and Yamnaya, confirmed in actual studies. We know for a long time the funnelbeakers for example had depigmentation too. Phenotypes are a bit subjective but not pigment alleles. It shouldn't be too surprising a population more distant to everything non European would have developped this features than the others with more affinities to Africans, Amerindians and East Asians. WHG is even more that, but it's very old, though they already had some blue eyes.
Spain EN/MN/LN score both GAC and MAC really, 50/40 on average. (The 1st CA is just for comparison)
https://i.postimg.cc/HYkX2JQf/Capture-Spain2.png
From the Neolithic onward they just got IE and some southern influences (NA, east med, etc...)
Look at the bigger picture and incorporate critical thinking in terms of archaeological knowledge. In Spain, around the year 5000BC, all the elements were already in place to create a structure of 80% EEF and 20% WHG. Anyway, a similar one functioned in almost all of Europe for thousands of years. Significant migratory movements in Spain began with Yamnaya-rich populations. And it is these moments that should be analyzed in terms of the admixture that the IE populations could have brought to Spain.
In my humble opinion, the core of the Spanish population is native and dates back to the 7000BP period. The main shift concerns the elimination of the native male population in favor of the IE newcomers. In my opinion, the original migration of Yamanya was not a post-Corded population, but simply steppes that mixed with the local population in Spain or southern France.
Athalafuns
09-26-2024, 12:09 PM
In my opinion, the original migration of Yamanya was not a post-Corded population, but simply steppes that mixed with the local population in Spain or southern France.
This is consistent with the thesis of Carlos Quiles (University of Extremadura). He disregards G25 but comes to the same conclusion: that the first R1b carriers in Iberia did not come from CWC, but rather what he calls East Bell Beakers originating in the north of the Balkans, and who could perhaps have taken something from CWC in southern Germany before reaching down here.
Upsilander
09-26-2024, 12:11 PM
Look at the bigger picture and incorporate critical thinking in terms of archaeological knowledge. In Spain, around the year 5000BC, all the elements were already in place to create a structure of 80% EEF and 20% WHG. Anyway, a similar one functioned in almost all of Europe for thousands of years. Significant migratory movements in Spain began with Yamnaya-rich populations. And it is these moments that should be analyzed in terms of the admixture that the IE populations could have brought to Spain.
In my humble opinion, the core of the Spanish population is native and dates back to the 7000BP period. The main shift concerns the elimination of the native male population in favor of the IE newcomers. In my opinion, the original migration of Yamanya was not a post-Corded population, but simply steppes that mixed with the local population in Spain or southern France.
I'm fine with that analysis, we make calculators to try to make better sense of archeological findings but it's the same everywhere, they could all have ended up GAC in proportion, but some didn't. Imo it's also because some were replaced even more by IE and did not receive as much post IE migrations later (fe British Isles).
Admixture can tell in many ways the same story. Distances just tell you the end of the story.
I'm fine with that analysis, we make calculators to try to make better sense of archeological findings but it's the same everywhere, they could all have ended up GAC in proportion, but some didn't. Imo it's also because some were replaced even more by IE and did not receive as much post IE migrations later (fe British Isles).
Admixture can tell in many ways the same story. Distances just tell you the end of the story.
In my opinion, it was to the west of the LBK influence that groups (with a pure profile of ca 80/20) were created, similar to Neolithic Spain between 5000 and 2800 BC - in France and Britain. LBK and especially GAC already had Yamnaya affiliations.
Pay attention to this individual. Super interesting and unexpected find
England_N_o:I3035__BC_3750__Cov_57.32%,0.127482,0. 135065,0.075424,0.056525,0.038161,0.010877,0.00211 5,-0.002077,0.007976,-0.000364,-0.001786,0.005845,-0.009812,-0.009771,0.014929,0.005171,-0.004955,0.009882,0.005908,0.007253,0.003369,-0.005564,-0.003451,0.007712,0.000718
vasiliki23
10-02-2024, 12:00 AM
Target: VASILIKI_scaled
Distance: 4.1781% / 0.04178106
53.0 Macedonia_N
21.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
12.0 GlobularAmphora
9.4 Iran_N
4.0 Georgia_CHG
Voskos
11-28-2024, 08:45 PM
Target: voskos
Distance: 2.5402% / 0.02540171
46.4 Macedonia_N
17.2 Israel_PPNB
15.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
13.0 Iran_N
7.6 Georgia_CHG
Kenshiro
12-03-2024, 08:14 PM
Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 2.8460% / 0.02846015
55.0 Macedonia_N
19.2 Russia_Karelia_HG
11.8 Iran_N
7.4 Georgia_CHG
6.4 GlobularAmphora
0.2 Morocco_Taforalt
Dr.Fiskero
01-05-2025, 10:52 AM
Target: Mr.Fiskero
Distance: 3.3896% / 0.03389593
51.4 GlobularAmphora
14.8 Israel_PPNB
13.8 Macedonia_N
12.0 Iran_N
6.8 Georgia_CHG
1.2 Russia_Karelia_HG
Distance to: Mr.Fiskero
0.10123041 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.11561687 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.15345658 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.21519839 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.29390632 Iran_N
0.34409141 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.36542524 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.36544886 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.40812110 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.42827218 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.43583172 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45290521 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.45703103 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.47135981 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.61967614 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.62211932 East_Asian
0.62305733 Amerindian_Native
0.64065075 Nganasan
0.76518115 African_Nigerian
0.81730593 Oceanian_Papuan
Could someone explain my results?
Altaylardan Tunaya
01-05-2025, 11:18 AM
Target: Ice_scaled
Distance: 2.7913% / 0.02791317
32.8 Macedonia_N
25.0 Iran_N
10.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
9.8 Georgia_CHG
8.8 Israel_PPNB
7.6 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic
3.0 East_Asian
2.4 AfontovaGora3
Gannicus
01-05-2025, 02:35 PM
Distance to: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
0.12847155 GlobularAmphora:I2433
0.21177802 Macedonia_N:I0676__BC_5842__Cov_73.44%
0.25715286 Israel_PPNB:I0867
0.26208923 Russia_Karelia_HG:I0061__BC_6500__Cov_87.22%
0.28861283 Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG__BC_22370__Cov_70.04 %
0.28917365 Israel_Natufian:I0861
0.31400525 Iran_N
0.34214277 AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3
0.34357621 Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG__BC_120 71__Cov_72.05%
0.34649872 Georgia_CHG:SATP.SG__BC_11332__Cov_59.30%
0.37042613 Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG__BC_607 5__Cov_92.30%
0.45719432 China_Tianyuan:Tianyuan__BC_37615__Cov_76.92%
0.48228739 Morocco_Taforalt:TAF012__BC_12505__Cov_20.16%
0.48780401 Morocco_Iberomaurusian:TAF011_noUDG__BC_12500__Cov _83.83%
0.59115445 Amerindian_Native
0.60667779 China_AmurRiver_LPaleolithic:NE34_noUDG__BC_12571_ _Cov_43.67%
0.61142981 East_Asian
0.62235790 Nganasan
0.77422663 African_Nigerian
0.81029661 Oceanian_Papuan
Target: Gannicus_mergedfile_scaled
Distance: 0.0500% / 0.04997999
63.1 GlobularAmphora
25.0 Russia_Karelia_HG
7.8 Georgia_CHG
4.1 Iran_N
Rhegion
01-06-2025, 09:13 AM
Target: Me
Distance: 2.6966% / 0.02696579
48.6 Macedonia_N
14.4 Iran_N
10.0 Russia_Karelia_HG
8.0 Israel_Natufian
7.8 Georgia_CHG
6.4 GlobularAmphora
3.2 Israel_PPNB
1.6 Morocco_Taforalt
Target: Father
Distance: 2.7807% / 0.02780658
36.6 Macedonia_N
16.0 Iran_N
13.4 Israel_PPNB
11.0 GlobularAmphora
10.2 Russia_Karelia_HG
6.6 Georgia_CHG
5.4 Israel_Natufian
0.8 Morocco_Taforalt
Target: Maternal_Grandpa
Distance: 2.9588% / 0.02958848
57.2 Macedonia_N
12.8 Iran_N
11.2 Russia_Karelia_HG
9.2 Georgia_CHG
4.4 Israel_Natufian
2.8 Morocco_Taforalt
2.4 GlobularAmphora
Target: Maternal_Grandma
Distance: 3.0830% / 0.03083038
57.4 Macedonia_N
13.2 Iran_N
9.8 Russia_Karelia_HG
9.2 Israel_Natufian
8.2 Georgia_CHG
1.8 Morocco_Taforalt
0.4 GlobularAmphora
Target: Cousin
Distance: 2.1978% / 0.02197831
46.0 Macedonia_N
15.2 Iran_N
14.4 Israel_PPNB
8.8 Georgia_CHG
8.6 Russia_Karelia_HG
4.2 GlobularAmphora
1.6 AfontovaGora3
1.2 Morocco_Iberomaurusian
Balboa
01-25-2025, 01:52 AM
Target: Balboa
Distance: 2.9282% / 0.02928170
46.0 Macedonia_N
31.4 GlobularAmphora
9.6 Iran_N
6.0 Russia_Karelia_HG
4.6 Georgia_CHG
2.4 Morocco_Taforalt
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