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Ajeje Brazorf

09-25-2024, 01:27 PM

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.09.23.614606v1

The study titled "Disparate demographic impacts of the Roman Colonization and the Migration Period in the Iberian Peninsula" explores the genetic transformations of the Iberian Peninsula during the Roman period (roughly 100 BCE to 800 CE) and its subsequent Germanic migrations. The research leverages genome-wide data from 248 ancient individuals excavated from 36 archaeological sites across different regions of Iberia to assess how Roman colonization and later Germanic influence reshaped the peninsula's demographic landscape.

Purpose of the Study
The study investigates two distinct historical phases: the Roman era, which brought political and cultural changes, and the Migration Period, marked by the arrival of Germanic tribes. The research focuses on uncovering the demographic impacts of these periods, particularly how migration affected genetic diversity, population structure, and continuity in the Iberian Peninsula.

Data and Methods
Researchers generated genomic data from ancient individuals, combining them with previously published data to conduct a comprehensive analysis of genetic changes. They employed advanced techniques like in-solution hybridization enrichment and principal component analysis (PCA) to analyze patterns of genetic variability across West Eurasia. The samples span multiple centuries and represent different cultural contexts (urban, rural, Hispano-Roman, and Germanic) from the Roman period and beyond.

Findings: Roman Period
1. Dramatic Genetic Transformation: The study found that the Roman period significantly transformed the Iberian population. Many individuals displayed a mix of ancestry, with strong influences from the Eastern Mediterranean and North Africa. This was particularly evident in central and southern Iberia, where Roman settlements were widespread.

2. Eastern Mediterranean and North African Ancestry: Genetic evidence points to substantial influxes from the Eastern Mediterranean and North Africa, particularly during the Roman era. Ancestry analysis shows that this was not confined to one location but widespread across Iberia, including coastal and inland sites.
- Eastern Mediterranean Ancestry: This was prevalent in the Roman period, likely linked to Roman and Byzantine migrations. The genetic signatures are similar to those found in Italy and the Balkans.
- North African Ancestry: A significant number of individuals carried North African ancestry, indicating migration across the Strait of Gibraltar. This was most prominent in southern and southeastern Iberia but was detected throughout the peninsula.

3. Heterogeneity: The Roman period also introduced a high level of genetic diversity, contrasting with the more homogenous populations of the Iberian Iron Age. The researchers found that individuals from the Roman period had ancestry from various Mediterranean regions, creating a cosmopolitan society.

Findings: Migration Period (Germanic Influence)
1. Limited Impact of Germanic Migrations: The arrival of Germanic groups (such as the Suebi, Vandals, Visigoths, and Alans) beginning in the 5th century CE did not drastically change the genetic makeup of the Iberian Peninsula. Although individuals with Central-Northern European ancestry were found at sites associated with Germanic influence, they were few, and the overall impact was limited compared to the Roman era.

2. Localized Germanic Influence: The Germanic genetic signatures were found primarily in isolated contexts, such as burials associated with Germanic-style artifacts. The researchers identified individuals with Germanic ancestry at specific sites but concluded that these populations gradually mixed with the local Hispano-Roman population, rather than replacing them.

3. Elite Replacement Hypothesis: The study suggests that Germanic migrations were more likely an "elite replacement" rather than large-scale population displacement. This is evidenced by the limited number of individuals with full Germanic ancestry and the continued presence of the local population’s genetic signatures.

4. Continuity and Mixing: Even after the Germanic migrations, the genetic diversity introduced during the Roman period persisted. There was evidence of mixing between local Iberian populations and the newly arrived Germanic groups. Notably, individuals with Germanic ancestry often displayed admixture with the Iberian population.

Unique Findings
1. Siblings Separated by 700 km: An intriguing discovery was a pair of siblings buried approximately 700 kilometers apart, highlighting the mobility of certain groups during the Migration Period. This represents one of the largest known geographic separations between first-degree relatives in ancient genomic studies.

2. Long-Lasting Impact of Roman Rule: The study emphasizes that Roman colonization had a far more significant demographic impact than the Germanic migrations. The influx of Eastern Mediterranean and North African ancestry during the Roman period reshaped the genetic landscape of the Iberian Peninsula, effects that persisted into the later centuries.

Comparative Insights
The researchers draw comparisons between the demographic changes in Iberia and those in other parts of the Roman Empire. In contrast to regions like Britain and the central Mediterranean, where the Migration Period led to significant population changes, the Iberian Peninsula exhibited remarkable continuity with its Roman past. This highlights the unique nature of Iberian history, shaped more profoundly by Roman colonization than by the later migrations.

Conclusions
The study concludes that the Roman colonization introduced significant genetic diversity into the Iberian Peninsula, primarily from the Eastern Mediterranean and North Africa, which profoundly reshaped the region's population. In contrast, the later Germanic migrations had a more localized and less impactful demographic influence, characterized by elite integration rather than widespread population replacement. The findings contrast with other regions of the Roman Empire, where the Migration Period had more substantial effects.

Future Research
The authors call for further genetic studies, particularly on the interactions between Iberia and North Africa, to better understand the bidirectional flows during the Roman and post-Roman periods. Additionally, they suggest investigating deeper layers of Iberian history, including the influence of the later Islamic conquests and the Reconquista.

This research offers a comprehensive view of the demographic changes in Iberia, shedding light on the complex population dynamics during two pivotal historical periods.

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Ajeje Brazorf

09-25-2024, 01:33 PM

1. Archaeological Overview
The study provides an overview of key archaeological sites across different regions in the Iberian Peninsula. For each site, it details the settlement history, excavation background, geographic information, and a summary of sampled materials (primarily skeletal remains). This part of the study contributes to understanding how various human populations lived and were buried during Roman and post-Roman times. Some key archaeological sites covered include:
- Almería: Villaricos: A site with a long history from Phoenician-Punic times to the Arab-Andalusian period. This section describes poorly documented excavations with limited skeletal information but provides dating and ancestry insights for specific graves.
- Barcelona: Castellar del Vallès: This site has evidence from the Neolithic to the Iron Age and Late Roman periods, with skeletal remains studied for isotopic and genetic analysis. The cemetery shows burials from the early medieval period.
- Cova Simanya Gran (Sant Llorenç del Munt): Describes karstic cave burials from the Middle Paleolithic to the 5th century CE, focusing on disarticulated human remains likely impacted by water flows within the cave system.

2. Radiocarbon Dating and Genetic Sampling
The study presents direct AMS radiocarbon dates for skeletal remains from the graves. It applies ancient DNA techniques to retrieve genetic data, using this information to understand ancestry contributions from different regions such as:
- Iberian Iron Age (IA)
- West Anatolian Roman-Byzantine populations
- North African Punic populations.

The individuals from the Roman to Late Antiquity periods show varying degrees of these ancestral mixes, reflecting the impact of Roman colonization and later migrations.

3. Genomic Analysis
This part of the study includes bioinformatic processing of the ancient DNA data, focusing on specific markers such as uniparental markers, kinship analysis, and other genetic features like aneuploidies. The genetic makeup of individuals from various archaeological sites demonstrates the blending of Iberian, Mediterranean, and North African lineages during and after Roman rule.

4. Paleo-diet and Isotope Analysis
The stable isotope analysis of carbon and nitrogen ratios from the skeletal remains reveals details about the diet of the populations. Most individuals consumed C3 plants (likely grains and vegetables), with some evidence of C4 crops, moderate to high animal protein intake, and occasional consumption of aquatic resources. This dietary information helps reconstruct the lifestyle and subsistence strategies of Roman and post-Roman communities.

5. Ancestry and Demographic Insights
The genomic data highlights a pattern of continuity and change in the population structure during the Roman and Migration periods in the Iberian Peninsula. Roman colonization brought new genetic influxes, particularly from the eastern Mediterranean (Anatolia), while North African ancestry is present in later periods, coinciding with the arrival of groups from that region.

6. Cultural and Social Context
In addition to genetic data, the document contextualizes these findings within the broader framework of historical changes. It discusses shifts in burial practices, as seen in sites like the necropolis in Lucena, which evolved through Constantinian, Byzantine, and Mozarabic periods before being abandoned in the 8th century. The social implications of these demographic shifts are considered, especially in terms of ethnic and cultural diversity in post-Roman Iberia.

Ajeje Brazorf

09-25-2024, 01:34 PM

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Label
Genetic_ID
Locality
Date
Y-DNA
mtDNA
Coverage
Sex

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla_lc_rel
I12029_enhanced.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
600
/
U5a1a1d
0,50%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I12030_enhanced.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
550
n/a (female)
J1c3g
4,28%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I12032_enhanced.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
488
R-L51 / R1b1a1b1a
C4a1a+195
25,71%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I12033_enhanced.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
600
I1 / I1
V
6,60%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla_rel
I12164_enhanced.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
424
n/a (female)
C4a1a+195
5,86%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla_o
I13565.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
600
n/a (female)
R0a
5,97%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla_o
I13571.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
600
G-Y7538 / G2a2b2a1a1b
K1a4c1
9,53%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla_o
I13572.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
600
n/a (female)
H1
11,90%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I13573.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
600
I-L160 / I2a1a1a1a1
J1c3
26,87%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I13574.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
600
n/a (female)
T1a1
2,55%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla_o
I13575.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
600
J-PF5016 / J2a2a1a~
H20
33,14%
M

Visigoth_South_Toledo_Abajo_o
I15419.AG
Toledo, Carranque, Santa María de Abajo
674
n/a (female)
H27
4,10%
F

Visigoth_South_Toledo_Abajo
I15423.AG
Toledo, Carranque, Santa María de Abajo
650
n/a (female)
T2c1d+152
11,23%
F

Visigoth_South_Toledo_Abajo_lc
I15424.AG
Toledo, Carranque, Santa María de Abajo
650
/
n/a (<2x)
0,36%
M

Visigoth_South_Toledo_Abajo_lc
I15426.AG
Toledo, Carranque, Santa María de Abajo
650
/
n/a (<2x)
0,74%
M

Visigoth_South_Toledo_Abajo
I15427.AG
Toledo, Carranque, Santa María de Abajo
609
F / F
H3an
2,25%
M

Visigoth_South_Toledo_Abajo_lc
I15428.AG
Toledo, Carranque, Santa María de Abajo
631
n/a (female)
L3f1b
0,40%
F

Roman-Vandal-Visigoth_South_Almeria_Villaricos_oAfrica1
I18194.AG
Almería, Cuevas del Almazora, Villaricos
480
G-Z1903 / G2a2b2a1a1c1
K1a1b1g
27,49%
M

Roman-Vandal-Visigoth_South_Almeria_Villaricos_o3
I18195.AG
Almería, Cuevas del Almazora, Villaricos
530
n/a (female)
X2b+226
29,41%
F

Roman-Vandal-Visigoth_South_Almeria_Villaricos_oAfrica2
I18198.AG
Almería, Cuevas del Almazora, Villaricos
100
n/a (female)
L3f1b
16,58%
F

Roman-Vandal-Visigoth_South_Almeria_Villaricos_oAfrica2
I18399.AG
Almería, Cuevas del Almazora, Villaricos
489
n/a (female)
U5b1b1e
29,15%
F

Roman-Vandal-Visigoth_South_Almeria_Villaricos_oAfrica1
I18400.AG
Almería, Cuevas del Almazora, Villaricos
365
n/a (female)
HV0+195
37,15%
F

Roman-Vandal-Visigoth_South_Almeria_Villaricos_oAfrica1
I18401.AG
Almería, Cuevas del Almazora, Villaricos
500
n/a (female)
H5b
1,87%
F

Visigoth_North_Segovia_Castiltierra
I18408.AG
Segovia, Necrópolis de Castiltierra
550
R-M269 / R1b1a1b
U6a6b2
13,85%
M

Visigoth_North_Segovia_Castiltierra
I18411.AG
Segovia, Necrópolis de Castiltierra
550
n/a (female)
U5a2a1
5,23%
F

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Illana
I19658.AGTW
Guadalajara, Illana
707
n/a (female)
U5a1a1
5,40%
F

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Gualda
I19659.AG
Guadalajara, Gualda
723
R-FGC65158 / R2
U5a1c
66,45%
M

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Gualda
I19660.AGTW
Guadalajara, Gualda
650
n/a (female)
K1a3a1a
3,09%
F

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Gualda
I19661.AG
Guadalajara, Gualda
650
n/a (female)
H1t
77,01%
F

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Gualda_lc
I19662.AGTW
Guadalajara, Gualda
650
R-P297 / R1b1a1
K1a1a
1,19%
M

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Gualda
I19663.AG
Guadalajara, Gualda
880
n/a (female)
J2a2b1a
67,55%
F

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Gualda
I19664.AG
Guadalajara, Gualda
650
R-M269 / R1b1a1b
HV0+195
4,32%
M

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Cubillejo
I19665.AG
Guadalajara, Cubillejo de la Sierra
600
n/a (female)
H16
70,81%
F

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Cubillejo
I19666.AG
Guadalajara, Cubillejo de la Sierra
600
n/a (female)
U3a
70,90%
F

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Cubillejo
I19667.AG
Guadalajara, Cubillejo de la Sierra
605
n/a (female)
H+152
55,35%
F

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Cubillejo
I19668.AG
Guadalajara, Cubillejo de la Sierra
600
n/a (female)
H1e5a
4,37%
F

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Cubillejo
I19669.AG
Guadalajara, Cubillejo de la Sierra
600
R-P312 / R1b1a1b1a1a2
H5d
16,60%
M

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Cubillejo
I19670.AG
Guadalajara, Cubillejo de la Sierra
596
R-S4363 / R1b1a1b1a1a2a6
H7
61,01%
M

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Cubillejo
I19671.AGTW
Guadalajara, Cubillejo de la Sierra
600
R / R
H1a3a4
1,31%
M

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Cubillejo
I19672.AG
Guadalajara, Cubillejo de la Sierra
674
R-BY90747 / R1b1a1b1a1a2d1a1
V
20,75%
M

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Cubillejo
I19673.AG
Guadalajara, Cubillejo de la Sierra
600
n/a (female)
HV0+195
74,02%
F

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Cubillejo_lc_rel
I19674.AGTW
Guadalajara, Cubillejo de la Sierra
600
J-M92 / J2a1a1a2b2a1a
H41a
1,09%
M

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Cubillejo
I19675.AG
Guadalajara, Cubillejo de la Sierra
622
n/a (female)
HV0+195
70,68%
F

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Cubillejo
I19676.AG
Guadalajara, Cubillejo de la Sierra
600
n/a (female)
H24
33,32%
F

Visigoth_South_Guadalajara_Cubillejo_contam
I19677.AGTW
Guadalajara, Cubillejo de la Sierra
600
J-Z504 / J2a1a1a2b2a1a1~
H41a
8,07%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Antigons
I19795.AG.TW
Tarragona, Antigons
400
R-Z29706 / R1b1a1b1a1a2a1b3
H11b1
6,50%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Antigons
I19796.AG
Tarragona, Antigons
309
n/a (female)
K1a1a
55,81%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Antigons_lc
I19797.AG
Tarragona, Antigons
400
/
H
0,52%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Antigons
I19798.AG
Tarragona, Antigons
400
n/a (female)
I4a1
38,59%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Antigons
I19799.AG
Tarragona, Antigons
400
R-M225 / R1b1a1b1a1a2a2a
J1c1
28,98%
M

Visigoth_North_Barcelona_Castellar
I19877.AGTW
Barcelona, Castellar del Valles
650
R-M269 / R1b1a1b
H7
2,08%
M

Visigoth_North_Barcelona_Castellar_lc
I19879.TW
Catalonia, Barcelona, Castellar del Valles
650
..
J1c1
0,82%
M

Visigoth_North_Barcelona_Castellar
I19880.TW
Barcelona, Castellar del Valles
650
R-M269 / R1b1a1b
HV0d
4,30%
M

Visigoth_North_Barcelona_Castellar_lc
I19881.TW
Catalonia, Barcelona, Castellar del Valles
650
n/a (female)
n/a (<2x coverage)
0,42%
F

Visigoth_North_Barcelona_Castellar
I19882.TW
Catalonia, Barcelona, Castellar del Valles
650
..
H6
5,42%
M

Visigoth_North_Barcelona_Castellar_o1
I19883.AG
Barcelona, Castellar del Valles
542
R-M269 / R1b1a1b
U2e1
10,77%
M

Visigoth_North_Barcelona_Castellar_contam
I19884.AG
Barcelona, Castellar del Valles
650
BT / BT
H1+16189
1,51%
M

Visigoth_North_Barcelona_Castellar_lc
I19885.AG
Barcelona, Castellar del Valles
650
n/a (female)
K1b1a
0,59%
F

Visigoth_South_Madrid_Boadilla
I19888.TW
Boadilla
600
n/a (female)
n/a (<2x coverage)
1,83%
F

Visigoth_South_Madrid_Boadilla
I19889.AGTW
Madrid, Boadilla
600
n/a (female)
H4a1a
8,06%
F

Visigoth_South_Madrid_Boadilla_lc
I19891.AG
Madrid, Boadilla
600
/
n/a (<2x)
0,52%
M

Visigoth_South_Madrid_Boadilla_lc
I19892.AG
Madrid, Boadilla
600
/
n/a (<2x)
0,75%
M

Visigoth_South_Madrid_Boadilla_lc
I19894.AG
Madrid, Boadilla
600
R / R
K1b1a
1,03%
M

Visigoth_South_Madrid_Boadilla
I19895.TW
Madrid, Boadilla
600
n/a (female)
V26
21,22%
F

Visigoth_South_Madrid_Boadilla
I19896.TW
Boadilla
600
..
J1d3
9,77%
M

Visigoth_South_Madrid_Boadilla
I19897.AGTW
Madrid, Boadilla
600
n/a (female)
K1a3a
55,61%
F

Visigoth_South_Madrid_Boadilla
I19898.AG
Madrid, Boadilla
638
Q-Y2209 / Q2a1
H5a1
38,11%
M

Visigoth_South_Madrid_Boadilla
I19899.AGTW
Madrid, Boadilla
600
n/a (female)
W
2,17%
F

Visigoth_South_Madrid_Boadilla
I19900.AG
Madrid, Boadilla
600
n/a (female)
H3+152
11,51%
F

Visigoth_South_Madrid_Boadilla
I19903.TW
Boadilla
600
..
H
3,87%
M

Visigoth_South_Madrid_Boadilla
I19904.AGTW
Madrid, Boadilla
600
I-SK1258 / I2a1b1a2b1a2e~
H1ck
41,52%
M

Visigoth_South_Madrid_Boadilla_lc
I19906.AG
Madrid, Boadilla
600
n/a (female)
n/a (<2x)
1,06%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20267.AGTW
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
614
R-Y6951 / R1b1a1b1a1a2a
K1a4a1b
34,06%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20268.AGTW
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
558
n/a (female)
T2b
9,28%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla_o_contam
I20269.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
550
n/a (female)
K1c1
11,02%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20270.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
550
R-M417 / R1a1a1
U5a1b1
12,07%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20271.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
550
R-Y6237 / R1b1a1b1a1a2e1
H55b
51,26%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20273_d.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
550
J-Z1842 / J1a2b1
H5c1a
46,07%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Goges
I20274.AG
Girona, Sant Julià de Ramis, Les Goges
501
n/a (female)
H20c
3,88%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Goges
I20275.AG
Girona, Sant Julià de Ramis, Les Goges
674
n/a (female)
H32
3,50%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Goges_lc
I20276.AG
Girona, Sant Julià de Ramis, Les Goges
674
n/a (female)
HV0+195
0,41%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Goges
I20278.AG
Girona, Sant Julià de Ramis, Les Goges
623
J-Z2317 / J1a2a1a2d2b2b2~
H1
18,84%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20382.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
578
R-P312 / R1b1a1b1a1a2
K1a4a1b2
3,41%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20384.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
523
J-L283 / J2b2a1
K2a5
6,48%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20385.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
662
J-Z1853 / J1a2a1a2d2b~
W1+119
11,51%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20386.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
550
R-FGC30128 / R1b1a1b1a1a2
K1b2a1
9,55%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20388.AGTW
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
558
.. /
K1a3a1
17,06%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20389.AGTW
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
558
.. /
K1a3a
11,16%
F

Visigoth-Roman_North_Girona_Pla
I20390.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
351
R-BY33655 / R1b1a1b1a1a2b1c1a1
H2a1
23,70%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20391.AGTW
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
558
.. /
T2c1d+152
4,86%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20392.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
550
R-M269 / R1b1a1b
H1ao
7,40%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20393.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
550
n/a (female)
U5b2c1
16,89%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20394.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
576
R-Y143402 / R1b1a1b1a1a2
H1e1a
53,56%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla_lc_rel
I20395.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
550
n/a (female)
V23
0,94%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla_rel
I20396.AGTW
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
558
.. /
H1a
11,73%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20397.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
550
n/a (female)
H1b1+16362
9,87%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla_lc
I20398.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
550
n/a (female)
n/a (<2x)
0,29%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20400.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
550
E-CTS9320 / E1b1b1a1b1a6a1~
H1
21,23%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20401.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
550
I1 / I1
J1b1a1e
8,94%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla
I20402.AG
Girona, Pla de l'Horta
550
I-Y16419 / I2a2b
J2b1a
16,74%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Goges_lc
I20405.AG
Girona, Sant Julià de Ramis, Les Goges
550
n/a (female)
J2a1a1a
0,23%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Goges_lc
I20406.AGTW
Girona, Sant Julià de Ramis, Les Goges
550
n/a (female)
R0a2m
0,31%
F

Visigoth_North_Girona_Goges_lc
I20407.TW
Girona, Sant Juilà de Ramis
550
..
I5a2
0,46%
M

Visigoth_North_Girona_Goges
I20408.AGTW
Girona, Sant Julià de Ramis, Les Goges
550
n/a (female)
H20c
3,09%
F

Roman-Vandal_North_Castello_Alcolea
I22103.AGTW
Castelló, La Vilanova d'Alcolea, L'Hostalot-Ildum
346
n/a (female)
J1b1a1
29,92%
F

Roman_South_Malaga_Acipino
I23156.AG
Málaga, Acinipo
350
n/a (female)
K1a+195
48,92%
F

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero
I23157.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
558
R-L754 / R1b
K1a4a1a2
7,51%
M

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero_lc
I23158.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
558
BT / BT
R0a2'3
0,88%
M

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero_contam
I23159.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
558
n/a (female)
HV0+195
2,13%
F

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero
I23162.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
625
n/a (female)
H1j7
5,99%
F

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero
I23163.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
558
/ G2
U5a1b
3,54%
M

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero
I23165.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
558
T-Y6671 / T1a1a1
J1c+16261
4,91%
M

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero
I23166.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
558
n/a (female)
H+16291
19,51%
F

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero
I23167.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
558
E-CTS4236 / E1b1b1b1a1
T2c1c
8,17%
M

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero
I23168.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
558
n/a (female)
HV0d
36,55%
F

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero
I23169.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
558
I2 / I2
L2c
3,00%
M

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero_lc
I23170.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
558
CT / CT
L1b1a
1,30%
M

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero
I23171.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
558
/ R1b1a1b
J2a2b1a
8,82%
M

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero_rel
I23173.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
500
J-Y6313 / J1
K1a1
16,81%
M

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero
I23174.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
494
J-Y6304 / J1
H+16311
34,71%
M

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero
I23175.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
558
R-V1636 / R1b1a2
J1c3
4,11%
M

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Vaquero
I23179.AG
Málaga, Estepona, Necrópolis Arroyo Vaquero
558
R-M269 / R1b1a1b
K1a3a
4,09%
M

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
I23272.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
n/a (female)
H1e3
28,20%
F

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
I23273.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
433
I1 / I1
J1b1a1
12,33%
M

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
I23276.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
R-P312 / R1b1a1b1a1a2
D4i
43,00%
M

Roman_South_Merida_Blanes
I23278.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
250
n/a (female)
H
38,02%
F

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
I23280.AGTW
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
I1 / I1
K1a24a
11,43%
M

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes_lc
I23283.AGTW
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
n/a (female)
U2e2a1
1,26%
F

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
I23284.AGTW
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
375
n/a (female)
T2b
22,24%
F

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
I23288.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
n/a (female)
K1a2a
23,21%
F

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes_lc
I23289.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
n/a (female)
U6a1a1
0,61%
F

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes_oAegean
I23752.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
n/a (female)
U5a2b
2,53%
F

Roman_South_Merida_Blanes
I23753.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
400
n/a (female)
T1a1
7,41%
F

Roman_South_Merida_Blanes
I23754.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
467
n/a (female)
H5a1
9,22%
F

Roman_South_Merida_Blanes
I23755.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
360
n/a (female)
X2c2
3,30%
F

Roman_South_Merida_Blanes_lc
I23757.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
250
/
n/a (<2x)
0,27%
M

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
I23758.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
n/a (female)
H1u
32,02%
F

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
I23761.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
n/a (female)
W1+119
44,32%
F

Roman_South_Merida_Blanes
I23762.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
250
n/a (female)
U6a6b2
73,35%
F

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
I23763.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
R-Z251 / R1b1a1b1a1a2c1
U5b1+16189+@16192
68,68%
M

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
I23764.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
R-BY33008 / R1b1a1b1a1a2
U5b1+16189+@16192
46,33%
M

Roman_South_Merida_Blanes
I23765.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
250
n/a (female)
J2b1a
10,18%
F

Roman_South_Merida_Blanes
I23766.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
462
n/a (female)
H2a
1,88%
F

Roman_South_Merida_Blanes
I23768.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
250
R-Z2551 / R1b1a1b1a1a2a7~
H1bj
63,17%
M

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes_oAfrican
I23770.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
E-L19 / E1b1b
U6a8
4,26%
M

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
I23771.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
n/a (female)
U5a1g
20,74%
F

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
I23772.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
n/a (female)
H27
69,08%
F

Roman_South_Merida_Blanes_oAfrican
I23773.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
270
n/a (female)
HV0+195
5,82%
F

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
I24953.AG
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
G-L645 / G2a2b1a1b2a
H
73,02%
M

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes
I24954.TW
Mérida, Necrópolis Blanes
450
n/a (female)
n/a (<2x coverage)
3,58%
F

Roman_South_Malaga_Malaga
I26172.AG
Malaga
177
n/a (female)
U5a1a1
19,40%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Jornet
I27078.AG
Catalonia, Amposta, Mas Cabiscol-Finca Jornet
203
n/a (female)
U2e2a1a
68,76%
F

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes_lc
I28351.TW
Mérida, Blanes Necropolis
450
..
n/a (<2x coverage)
0,29%
U

Roman_North_Barcelona_Simanya
I28352.TW
Catalonia, Barcelona, Sant Llorenç del Munt, Cova Simanya Gran
425
..
L1b1a
1,61%
M

Roman_North_Barcelona_Simanya_contam
I28353.AG
Barcelona, Sant Llorenç del Munt, Cova Simanya Gran
425
n/a (female)
U4a1d
13,76%
F

Roman_North_Barcelona_Simanya
I28354.AG
Barcelona, Sant Llorenç del Munt, Cova Simanya Gran
425
n/a (female)
L1b1a
60,50%
F

Roman-Visigoth_North_Tarragona_Vilardida_oAfrican_lc
I28357.TW
Tarragona, Vilardida
614
..
H5b
1,00%
M

Roman-Visigoth_North_Tarragona_Vilardida
I28358.TW
Tarragona, Vilardida
461
..
H5a1d
2,00%
M

Roman-Visigoth_North_Tarragona_Vilardida
I28359.AG
Tarragona, Vilardida
600
Q-L245 / Q2a1
U8b1b
28,91%
M

Roman-Visigoth_North_Tarragona_Vilardida
I28360.AG
Tarragona, Vilardida
609
J-SK1344 / J2a1a1a2b2a1a1c~
T2b3b
21,10%
M

Roman-Visigoth_North_Tarragona_Vilardida
I28361.AG
Tarragona, Vilardida
750
J-Z7515 / J2a1a1a2a
H50
20,37%
M

Roman-Visigoth_North_Tarragona_Vilardida
I28362.AG
Tarragona, Vilardida
600
R-Z208 / R1b1a1b1a1a2a1b1a1a~
K1a+195
31,95%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Castellets
I28364.AG
Tarragona, El Castellet, La Canonja
400
R-L52 / R1b1a1b1a1
U3b2
18,80%
M

Roman-Suevian_South_Merida_Blanes_lc
I28455.TW
Mérida, Blanes Necropolis
450
..
n/a (<2x coverage)
0,20%
U

Roman_North_Tarragona_Masos
I29524.TW
Tarragona, Cambrils, Els Masos
150
n/a (female)
H2a1e1a
49,94%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Masos
I29525.TW
Tarragona, Cambrils, Els Masos
150
R-Z202 / R1b1a1b1a1a2a1b1a1~
J2b1a
54,41%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Masos_rel
I29526.TW
Tarragona, Cambrils, Els Masos
150
n/a (female)
H2a1e1a
24,46%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Sales
I29531.TW
Tarragona, La Selva del Camp, Barranc de Sales
150
n/a (female)
n/a (<2x coverage)
7,59%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Sales_lc
I29532.TW
Tarragona, La Selva del Camp, Barranc de Sales
150
n/a (female)
n/a (<2x coverage)
0,69%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Sales
I29535.TW
Tarragona, La Selva del Camp, Barranc de Sales
150
E-M78 / E1b1b1a1
n/a (<2x coverage)
4,48%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Bargallona
I29537.TW
Tarragona, Cambrils, Voltants de la Torre Bargallona
150
R-L23 / R1b1a1b1
U3a1
5,24%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Bargallona_lc
I29538.TW
Tarragona, Cambrils, Voltants de la Torre Bargallona
150
n/a (female)
H5'36
0,85%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Bargallona
I29539.TW
Tarragona, Cambrils, Voltants de la Torre Bargallona
150
n/a (female)
n/a (<2x coverage)
4,22%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Bargallona
I29540.TW
Tarragona, Cambrils, Voltants de la Torre Bargallona
150
L-M349 / L1b1
V+@72
12,90%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Castellets
I29542.TW
Tarragona, La Canonja, Villa Romana dels Castellets
150
n/a (female)
n/a (<2x coverage)
19,31%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Castellets
I29543.TW
Tarragona, La Canonja, Villa Romana dels Castellets
150
R-Y7733 / R1b1a1b1a1a2a1b1a1a~
V7
46,40%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Castellets
I29545.TW
Tarragona, La Canonja, Villa Romana dels Castellets
150
E-L618 / E1b1b1a1b1
n/a (<2x coverage)
6,96%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Castellets
I29546.TW
Tarragona, La Canonja, Villa Romana dels Castellets
150
n/a (female)
J1c
16,99%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Castellets
I29547.TW
Tarragona, La Canonja, Villa Romana dels Castellets
150
n/a (female)
n/a (<2x coverage)
6,79%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Castellets
I29548_d.TW
Tarragona, La Canonja, Villa Romana dels Castellets
150
J1-P58 / J1a2a1a2
H3at
3,80%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Castellets
I29549.TW
Tarragona, La Canonja, Villa Romana dels Castellets
150
n/a (female)
n/a (<2x coverage)
23,83%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Castellets_lc
I29550.TW
Tarragona, La Canonja, Villa Romana dels Castellets
150
..
n/a (<2x coverage)
0,70%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Castellets
I29552_d.TW
Tarragona, La Canonja, Villa Romana dels Castellets
150
n/a (female)
H78
3,69%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Sales_contam
I29574.TW
Tarragona, La Selva del Camp, Barranc de Sales
150
n/a (female)
H1b3
72,12%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Mineta
I29575.TW
Tarragona, Cambrils, La Mineta
150
R-S1221 / R1b1a1b1a1a2a1a
U2e1a1
90,40%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Mineta
I29628.TW
Tarragona, Cambrils, La Mineta
150
n/a (female)
n/a (<2x coverage)
12,54%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Mineta
I29629.TW
Tarragona, Cambrils, La Mineta
150
R-L23 / R1b1a1b1
n/a (<2x coverage)
10,91%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Falla
I29631.TW
Tarragona, Manuel de Falla
150
I-S17511 / I2a1b1a2a1a1
T2b
24,92%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Falla
I29632.TW
Tarragona, Manuel de Falla
150
n/a (female)
H3ap
4,30%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Falla
I29633.TW
Tarragona, Manuel de Falla
150
n/a (female)
H6a1b2
5,77%
F

Roman_North_Tarragona_Bargallona_oLevant
I29634.TW
Tarragona, Cambrils, Voltants de la Torre Bargallona
150
n/a (female)
J2a2d
2,18%
F

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Quinta
I29761.TW
Malaga, Pizarra, Castillejos de Quinta
700
R-BY165817 / R1b1a1b1a1a2a
R+16189
48,42%
M

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Quinta
I29762.TW
Malaga, Pizarra, Castillejos de Quinta
700
n/a (female)
possibly X2
5,63%
F

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Quinta
I29764.TW
Malaga, Pizarra, Castillejos de Quinta
700
n/a (female)
n/a (<2x coverage)
4,10%
F

Visigoth_South_Malaga_Quinta
I29896.TW
Malaga, Pizarra, Castillejos de Quinta
700
R-L52 / R1b1a1b1a1
n/a (<2x coverage)
4,14%
M

Visigoth-Mozarab_North_Zaragoza_Lomas
I30586.TW
Zaragoza, Epila, Las Lomas del Molino
600
n/a (female)
U5b1b1g1a
93,58%
F

Visigoth-Mozarab_North_Zaragoza_Lomas
I30587.TW
Zaragoza, Epila, Las Lomas del Molino
600
n/a (female)
M1a3b
91,32%
F

Visigoth-Mozarab_North_Zaragoza_Lomas_lc
I30588.TW
Zaragoza, Epila, Las Lomas del Molino
600
..
n/a (<2x coverage)
0,16%
U

Visigoth-Mozarab_North_Zaragoza_Lomas
I30589.TW
Zaragoza, Epila, Las Lomas del Molino
600
..
U2e1c1
91,12%
M

Visigoth-Mozarab_North_Zaragoza_Lomas
I30590.TW
Zaragoza, Epila, Las Lomas del Molino
600
..
U5a2c
91,11%
M

Visigoth-Mozarab_North_Zaragoza_Lomas
I30591.TW
Zaragoza, Epila, Las Lomas del Molino
600
..
H3b5
92,41%
M

Visigoth-Mozarab_North_Zaragoza_Lomas
I30592.TW
Zaragoza, Epila, Las Lomas del Molino
600
..
J2
90,97%
M

Visigoth-Mozarab_North_Zaragoza_Lomas_oAfrica
I30597.TW
Zaragoza, Epila, Las Lomas del Molino
600
..
HV0+195
91,22%
M

Visigoth-Mozarab_North_Zaragoza_Lomas
I30598.TW
Zaragoza, Epila, Las Lomas del Molino
600
n/a (female)
HV0+195
91,28%
F

Visigoth-Mozarab_North_Zaragoza_Lomas
I30599.TW
Zaragoza, Epila, Las Lomas del Molino
600
n/a (female)
H14a2a
91,47%
F

Visigoth-Mozarab_North_Zaragoza_Lomas
I30930.TW
Zaragoza, Epila, Las Lomas del Molino
600
..
T1a1
72,33%
M

Visigoth-Mozarab_North_Zaragoza_Lomas_oAfrica
I30931.TW
Zaragoza, Epila, Las Lomas del Molino
600
..
T2c1d1
36,61%
M

Visigoth-Mozarab_North_Zaragoza_Lomas
I30932.TW
Zaragoza, Epila, Las Lomas del Molino
600
..
H1u
59,04%
M

Visigoth-Mozarab_North_Zaragoza_Lomas
I30933.TW
Zaragoza, Epila, Las Lomas del Molino
600
n/a (female)
H3ap
38,46%
F

Visigoth-Mozarab_North_Zaragoza_Lomas_lc
I30935.TW
Zaragoza, Epila, Las Lomas del Molino
600
..
n/a (<2x coverage)
0,20%
U

Visigoth_South_Granada_Cortijo
I32150.TW
Granada, Colomera, Cortijo del Chopo
600
.. /
K1b1a
1,32%
F

Visigoth_South_Granada_Cortijo
I32152.TW
Granada, Colomera, Cortijo del Chopo
600
n/a (female)
U5a1i1
5,90%
F

Visigoth_South_Granada_Cortijo
I32154.TW
Granada, Colomera, Cortijo del Chopo
600
n/a (female)
U5a1i1
25,90%
F

Visigoth_South_Granada_Cortijo
I32155.TW
Granada, Colomera, Cortijo del Chopo
600
n/a (female)
U5a1i1
14,92%
F

Visigoth_South_Granada_Cortijo
I32156.TW
Granada, Colomera, Cortijo del Chopo
600
n/a (female)
U5a1i1
3,46%
F

Visigoth_South_Granada_Cortijo
I32157.TW
Granada, Colomera, Cortijo del Chopo
600
n/a (female)
U5b1
70,08%
F

Visigoth_South_Granada_Cortijo
I32158.TW
Granada, Colomera, Cortijo del Chopo
600
n/a (female)
U5b1
36,83%
F

Visigoth_South_Granada_Cortijo
I32160.TW
Granada, Colomera, Cortijo del Chopo
600
n/a (female)
U5a1i1
8,90%
F

Visigoth_South_Granada_Cortijo
I32162.TW
Granada, Colomera, Cortijo del Chopo
600
n/a (female)
n/a (<2x coverage)
3,05%
F

Roman_North_Asturias_Cerrosa_lc
I34233.TW
Asturias, Peñamellera Baja, Suarias, Sima de La Cerrosa-Lagaña
372
..
n/a (<2x)
0,40%
F

Visigoth_North_Tarragona_Antigons
I35495.TW
Catalonia, Tarragona, Reus, Antigons
622
..
n/a (<2x cov)
4,73%
F

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I35803.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
L1b1a+189
83,84%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I35804.TW
Lucena Basilica
350
..
L3h1b1a
79,50%
F

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I35806.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
U4a2f
84,79%
M

Visigoth_South_Granada_Montefrio
I3583_enhanced.AG
Granada, Montefrío, El Castillón
500
E-CTS1273 / E1b1b1a1b1
HV0f
30,79%
M

Visigoth_South_Granada_Zafarraya_contam
I3584_enhanced.AG
Granada, Ventas de Zafarraya
550
HIJK / HIJK
H
10,46%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I35898.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
J2a1a1a
46,74%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I35899.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
V
93,88%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I35942.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
R-P312 / R1b1a1b1a1a2
T2a1b1
76,38%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I35943.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
J2a1a1a
25,34%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I35944.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
H11a2a
91,43%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I35945.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
W5
89,94%
F

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I35946.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
H1e1c
92,41%
F

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I35947.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
L2a1a2
95,92%
F

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I35948.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
R-P312 / R1b1a1b1a1a2
J2a1a1a
79,13%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I35949.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
J1c1
96,22%
F

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I36195.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
J-L26 / J2a1a
U8b1a
3,42%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I36196.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
J-Z504 / J2a1a1a2b2a1a1~
U6c2
84,36%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I36197.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
H4a1d
9,30%
F

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I36199.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
H6a1a
82,70%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I37206.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
n/a (female)
D4l
93,96%
F

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I37207.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
J-Z2177 / J2a1a1b2a1b1b2~
H4a1a1a
85,53%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I37208.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
L-L595 / L
H3
89,90%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I37209.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
n/a (female)
L3h1b1a
92,04%
F

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I37210.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
G-M3302 / G2a2b1a2
D4l
56,29%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena_lc
I37211.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
n/a (sex unknown) / n/a (sex unknown)
n/a (<2x)
0,12%
U

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I37212.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
R-M269 / R1b1a1b
H3ah
25,63%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
I37213.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
n/a (female)
L3e5
15,28%
F

Roman_South_Granada_Einstein
I4055_enhanced.AG
Granada, Plaza Einstein
300
T-Y6033 / T1a2
U3a1
9,13%
M

Roman_North_Tarragona_Alcover_contam
I6491_enhanced.AG
Tarragona, Mas Gassol, Alcover
350
R-M269 / R1b1a1b
H4a1a
14,37%
M

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
S37250_Thunder.45_SQ.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
J1c1
92,93%
F

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
S37253_Thunder.45_SQ.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
T2e
85,84%
F

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
S37254_Thunder.45_SQ.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
T2c1a2
92,72%
F

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
S37255_Thunder.45_SQ.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
U2e1
90,03%
F

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
S37256_Thunder.45_SQ.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
U4a2f
85,82%
F

Roman_South_Cordoba_Lucena
S37257_Thunder.45_SQ.TW
Cordoba, Lucena Basilica
350
..
H4a1a1a
93,33%
M

</tbody>

Ajeje Brazorf

09-25-2024, 05:01 PM

bump

Gallop

09-25-2024, 07:01 PM

I saw it yesterday appeared on Spanish websites.

They must have been Punic rather than Berber savages.

Friends of Oliver Society

09-25-2024, 07:12 PM

I saw it yesterday appeared on Spanish websites.

They must have been Punic rather than Berber savages.

Lolz... Punic would be Levant + North Africans (Berbers). This guy's standard is 'whatever I like is true and what I don't like is not true.'

Absolutely mental...

Gallop

09-25-2024, 07:40 PM

Lolz... Punic would be Levant + North Africans (Berbers). This guy's standard is 'whatever I like is true and what I don't like is not true.'

Absolutely mental...

Lol But apparently these immigrants would have very little from North Africa and more from the Levant.

Jamás podrás ser como yo y eso te perturba.

gixajo

09-25-2024, 09:34 PM

bump

Thanks as always for bringing all this to this forum Ajeje, :thumb001:

Visigoth_North_Girona_Pla I20270.AG Girona, Pla de l'Horta 550 R-M417 / R1a1a1

First Spanish R1a I see... I am excited.

We cannot know further what R1a is? Just M417?

No G25 coordinates related to this paper yet?

Beowulf

09-25-2024, 10:06 PM

Subscribed to this thread!! :D

Beowulf

09-25-2024, 10:19 PM

:offtopid::focus::rules

Beowulf

09-25-2024, 10:22 PM

Ancestry percentages (CNE is Central - Northern European-like ancestry) :

<tbody style="box-sizing: border-box;">
ID
Population
Spain_IA
CNE_Early_medieval
WestAnatolia_Roman_Byzantine
North_African_Punic
Kazakhstan_Sarmatian_IA
Mongolia_EIA_SlabGrave_1.AG
Italy_Sicily_Punic_Roman.AG

I7457.AG
Islamic
0,51

0,26
0,23

I12649.AG
Islamic
0,57

0,278
0,152

I7500.AG
Islamic
0,385

0,472
0,143

I12644.AG
Islamic
0,449

0,313
0,238

I8145.AG
Islamic
0,372

0,39
0,239

I12514.AG
Islamic
0,347
0,291
0,17
0,192

I12515.AG
Islamic
0,571

0,298
0,132

I12648.AG
Islamic
0,761

0,239

I7424.AG
Islamic
0,498

0,338
0,163

I3808.AG
Islamic
0,211

0,559
0,23

I8147.AG
Islamic
0,392

0,385
0,223

I8146.AG
Islamic
0,321

0,306
0,374

I12645.AG
Islamic
0,489

0,277
0,233

I12647.AG
Islamic
0,212
0,423
0,152
0,213

I7497.AG
Islamic
0,303

0,455
0,242

I7499.AG
Islamic

0,325
0,452
0,223

I12516.AG
Islamic
0,545

0,352
0,103

I10895.AG
Medieval
0,251
0,438
0,23
0,081

I10892.AG
Medieval
0,731

0,231
0,038

I29545.TW
Roman
0,68

0,207
0,113

I28352.TW
Roman
0,591

0,409

I29535.TW
Roman
0,303

0,697

I36199.TW
Roman

0,075

0,925

I37210.TW
Roman

0,031

0,969

I29631.TW
Roman

0,965

0,035

I29548_d.TW
Roman
0,523

0,268
0,209

I35943.TW
Roman
0,57

0,339
0,091

I3983.AG
Roman
0,424

0,354
0,222

I4054.AG
Roman
0,384

0,454
0,162

I36195.TW
Roman
0,168

0,754
0,078

I35803.TW
Roman
0,469

0,364
0,167

I37207.TW
Roman
0,253

0,486
0,261

I36196.TW
Roman
0,351

0,367
0,282

I8216.AG
Roman

0,825
0,175

I35806.TW
Roman
0,352

0,47
0,178

I10865.AG
Roman
0,351

0,544
0,105

I37208.TW
Roman
0,599

0,315
0,086

I29540.TW
Roman
0,597

0,262
0,142

I8202.AG
Roman
0,877

0,123

I29537.TW
Roman
0,774

0,226

I29629.TW
Roman
0,575

0,258
0,167

I28364.AG
Roman
0,19

0,748
0,062

I19799.AG
Roman
0,418
0,341
0,088
0,154

I37212.TW
Roman
0,34

0,499
0,161

I35942.TW
Roman
0,366

0,335
0,299

I35948.TW
Roman
0,361

0,421
0,218

I29575.TW
Roman
0,725

0,138
0,137

I29543.TW
Roman
0,699

0,238
0,063

I29525.TW
Roman
0,574

0,293
0,133

I23768.AG
Roman
0,912

0,088

I35899.TW
Roman
0,175

0,404
0,421

I35898.TW
Roman
0,431

0,379
0,19

I35944.TW
Roman
0,46

0,354
0,186

I4055_enhanced.AG
Roman
0,391

0,451
0,158

I23754.AG
Roman

0,927

0,073

I23766.AG
Roman

0,801
0,199

I28354.AG
Roman
0,519

0,422
0,059

I19798.AG
Roman
0,819

0,181

I19795.AG.TW
Roman
0,263
0,421
0,226
0,09

I23753.AG
Roman

0,826
0,174

I23765.AG
Roman
1

I23278.AG
Roman
0,86

0,14

I23762.AG
Roman
0,741

0,08
0,179

I23755.AG
Roman
0,491

0,509

I6490.AG
Roman
0,824

0,176

I23156.AG
Roman
0,676

0,224
0,1

S37255_Thunder.45_SQ.TW
Roman
0,507

0,356
0,137

S37257_Thunder.45_SQ.TW
Roman
0,488

0,305
0,207

S37253_Thunder.45_SQ.TW
Roman
0,476

0,259
0,265

I35947.TW
Roman
0,453

0,33
0,217

S37256_Thunder.45_SQ.TW
Roman
0,413

0,428
0,159

I35945.TW
Roman
0,401

0,338
0,261

S37254_Thunder.45_SQ.TW
Roman
0,345

0,556
0,099

I37209.TW
Roman
0,326

0,433
0,242

I37206.TW
Roman
0,316

0,515
0,169

S37250_Thunder.45_SQ.TW
Roman
0,233

0,223
0,544

I35949.TW
Roman
0,218

0,243
0,538

I35804.TW
Roman
0,184

0,632
0,184

I37213.TW
Roman
0,15

0,186
0,664

I35946.TW
Roman

0,073

0,927

I36197.TW
Roman

0,193
0,807

I19796.AG
Roman
0,805

0,164
0,031

I3982.AG
Roman
0,582

0,208
0,21

I23773.AG
Roman
0,055

0,945

I27078.AG
Roman
1

I26172.AG
Roman
0,485

0,379
0,136

I8339.AG
Roman
0,911

0,089

I29546.TW
Roman
1

I29633.TW
Roman
1

I29632.TW
Roman
1

I29542.TW
Roman
0,717

0,241
0,042

I8474.AG
Roman
0,714

0,286

I29539.TW
Roman
0,658

0,17
0,173

I29628.TW
Roman
0,647

0,216
0,137

I8475.AG
Roman
0,637

0,363

I29552_d.TW
Roman
0,558

0,343
0,098

I29524.TW
Roman
0,509

0,332
0,159

I29526.TW
Roman
0,508

0,388
0,104

I29531.TW
Roman
0,502

0,315
0,183

I29549.TW
Roman
0,432

0,448
0,119

I29547.TW
Roman
0,377

0,305
0,318

I8338.AG
Roman
0,213

0,787

I29634.TW
Roman

0,796
0,204

I10866.AG
Roman
0,308
0,429

0,263

I23770.AG
Roman-Suevian
0,277

0,28
0,443

I24953.AG
Roman-Suevian
0,692

0,255
0,053

I23273.AG
Roman-Suevian

0,919
0,081

I23280.AGTW
Roman-Suevian

0,874
0,126

I23764.AG
Roman-Suevian
0,816

0,16
0,024

I23276.AG
Roman-Suevian
0,375

0,245
0,036
0,345

I23763.AG
Roman-Suevian
0,885

0,115

I23283.AGTW
Roman-Suevian

1

I23288.AG
Roman-Suevian
0,707

0,263
0,03

I24954.TW
Roman-Suevian
0,505

0,495

I23758.AG
Roman-Suevian
0,403

0,312

0,286

I23771.AG
Roman-Suevian
0,261
0,498
0,241

I23272.AG
Roman-Suevian
0,216
0,683
0,102

I23752.AG
Roman-Suevian
0,176

0,824

I23772.AG
Roman-Suevian

1

I23761.AG
Roman-Suevian

0,744
0,218
0,039

I23284.AGTW
Roman-Suevian

0,86
0,098
0,042

I22103.AGTW
Roman-Vandal

0,942

0,058

I18194.AG
Roman-Vandal-Visigoth
0,168

0,39
0,441

I18195.AG
Roman-Vandal-Visigoth
0,345

0,314
0,341

I18399.AG
Roman-Vandal-Visigoth

0,045

0,955

I18401.AG
Roman-Vandal-Visigoth
0,205

0,454
0,341

I18400.AG
Roman-Vandal-Visigoth
0,121

0,3
0,579

I18198.AG
Roman-Vandal-Visigoth

1

I28358.TW
Roman-Visigoth

1

I28360.AG
Roman-Visigoth
0,468

0,407
0,125

I28361.AG
Roman-Visigoth
0,667

0,252
0,081

I28359.AG
Roman-Visigoth
0,662

0,232
0,106

I28362.AG
Roman-Visigoth
0,872

0,128

I3583_enhanced.AG
Visigoth
0,344

0,394
0,262

I23167.AG
Visigoth
0,195

0,497
0,308

I20400.AG
Visigoth
0,263
0,277
0,328
0,131

I3579.AG
Visigoth
0,478

0,399
0,123

I12031.AG
Visigoth

0,658
0,306
0,036

I20396.AGTW
Visigoth

0,728
0,212
0,06

I20391.AGTW
Visigoth
0,549

0,361
0,09

I3981.AG
Visigoth
0,568

0,232
0,2

I15427.AG
Visigoth
0,872

0,128

I23163.AG
Visigoth
0,671

0,329

I13571.AG
Visigoth
0,56

0,44

I12033_enhanced.AG
Visigoth
0,298
0,66

0,042

I20401.AG
Visigoth
0,171
0,548
0,173
0,108

I23169.AG
Visigoth

0,596
0,404

I3575.AG
Visigoth
0,363

0,344
0,293

I13573.AG
Visigoth
0,903

0,097

I19904.AGTW
Visigoth
0,46
0,54

I20402.AG
Visigoth
0,428

0,528
0,044

I20384.AG
Visigoth
0,404

0,596

I13575.AG
Visigoth
0,587

0,276
0,137

I23174.AG
Visigoth
0,356

0,444
0,2

I23173.AG
Visigoth
0,282

0,526
0,192

I20385.AG
Visigoth
0,481

0,369
0,15

I12162.AG
Visigoth
0,124
0,734
0,077
0,064

I20278.AG
Visigoth
0,107

0,669
0,224

I19898.AG
Visigoth
0,652

0,16
0,188

I19671.AGTW
Visigoth
0,857

0,143

I3866.AG
Visigoth
0,635

0,365

I29761.TW
Visigoth
0,436
0,409
0,073
0,082

I3585.AG
Visigoth
0,555

0,284
0,161

I19672.AG
Visigoth
0,452

0,342
0,206

I20386.AG
Visigoth
0,693

0,307

I19659.AG
Visigoth
0,6

0,33
0,07

I7675.AG
Visigoth
0,768

0,232

I3775.AG
Visigoth
0,695

0,257
0,047

I12032_enhanced.AG
Visigoth
0,258
0,632
0,11

I29896.TW
Visigoth
0,65

0,24
0,109

I23157.AG
Visigoth
0,315

0,4
0,285

I8343.AG
Visigoth
0,687

0,171
0,142

I19880.TW
Visigoth
1

I19877.AGTW
Visigoth
1

I19882.TW
Visigoth
0,861

0,139

I3778.AG
Visigoth
0,673

0,254
0,074

I19664.AG
Visigoth
0,57

0,19
0,241

I19896.TW
Visigoth

0,556
0,382
0,062

I20392.AG
Visigoth
1

I23179.AG
Visigoth
0,263

0,541
0,195

I18408.AG
Visigoth
0,69

0,236
0,073

I19883.AG
Visigoth
0,777

0,223

I20270.AG
Visigoth

0,702
0,298

I19669.AG
Visigoth
0,127
0,543
0,245
0,084

I20382.AG
Visigoth
1

I3576.AG
Visigoth
0,501

0,274
0,224

I19670.AG
Visigoth
0,367

0,238
0,395

I23175.AG
Visigoth
0,376

0,286
0,338

I20394.AG
Visigoth
0,425

0,276
0,299

I20271.AG
Visigoth

0,684
0,286
0,03

I20267.AGTW
Visigoth
0,611
0,329

0,059

I7672.AG
Visigoth
0,783

0,217

I3582.AG
Visigoth
0,445

0,312
0,243

I23165.AG
Visigoth
0,434

0,457
0,109

I19663.AG
Visigoth
0,561

0,255
0,183

I7674.AG
Visigoth
1

I7673.AG
Visigoth
0,412
0,319
0,208
0,06

I7676.AG
Visigoth
0,215
0,514
0,203
0,068

I19658.AGTW
Visigoth

0,801
0,199

I29764.TW
Visigoth
0,462

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Found this on Eupedia btw

Gallop

09-25-2024, 10:42 PM

https://i0.wp.com/www.elestudiodeblanca.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/EEDB4283-v2-sRGB-1000px.jpg?resize=300%2C200&ssl=1

Como ejemplo, en esta fotografía hay 250 personas, para la forja de un Imperio es poquilla cosa... tienen que seguir rebuscando y desenterrando.

vader

09-26-2024, 07:17 PM

Lol But apparently these immigrants would have very little from North Africa and more from the Levant.

Jamás podrás ser como yo y eso te perturba.

if it was the case they had levant ancestry then it would be far more common for people like myself to score levantine proxy's with iberomaurasian. Instead I just get iberomaurasian suggesting, at least in my case, it is just berber influence.

vader

09-26-2024, 07:18 PM

There is a visigoth-mozarab with R-Z225 found in this paper.

geneticmarker

09-26-2024, 08:15 PM

I saw it yesterday appeared on Spanish websites.

They must have been Punic rather than Berber savages.

this map below was actually correct , they analyzed Central Spain , South Spain and CentralEast Spain and germanic impact in these areas was really zero , as i thought Roman period in these regions had a lot of genetic impact , highest R-U152 come from south iberia

https://i.postimg.cc/W3npLDrR/Y-germanic-iberia.png

Andullero

09-26-2024, 08:17 PM

Subscribed to this thread!! :D

Same here.

Andullero

09-26-2024, 08:18 PM

Gallop

09-27-2024, 09:41 AM

I will wait to see how modern and direct descendants of the haplogroups found there appear. :cool:

In any case, it still seems to me a very limited number to draw conclusions and a greater number of fossils analyzed is needed to draw conclusions.

Gallop

09-27-2024, 09:43 AM

if it was the case they had levant ancestry then it would be far more common for people like myself to score levantine proxy's with iberomaurasian. Instead I just get iberomaurasian suggesting, at least in my case, it is just berber influence.

I too get in G25 the misnamed iberomaurisian and in Gedmatch I have no snp shared with any of the Tarofalt samples.

Friends of Oliver Society

10-24-2024, 12:36 AM

Lol But apparently these immigrants would have very little from North Africa and more from the Levant.

Jamás podrás ser como yo y eso te perturba.

You mean a retard who doesn't even understand the conclusion given by the study?

R1b-L51

10-24-2024, 08:04 PM

this map below was actually correct , they analyzed Central Spain , South Spain and CentralEast Spain and germanic impact in these areas was really zero , as i thought Roman period in these regions had a lot of genetic impact , highest R-U152 come from south iberia

https://i.postimg.cc/W3npLDrR/Y-germanic-iberia.png

Curiously, there is a Slavic impact (perhaps not Germanic), which comes from the first Halsttat, in Astures (note the capital Asturica Augusta), and in the Cantabri.

134112

The Astures may have been part of the early Hallstatt expansion that left the Bavarian-Bohemian homeland and migrated into Gaul, some continuing over the mountains into Spain and Portugal.[5] By the 6th century BC, they occupied castros (hillforts), such as Coanna and Mohias near Navia on the coast of the Bay of Biscay.[5] From the Roman point-of-view, expressed in the brief remarks of the historians Florus, epitomising Livy, and Orosius [citation needed], the Astures were divided into two factions, following the natural division made by the alpine karst mountains of the Picos de Europa range: the Transmontani (located in the modern Asturias, "beyond"— that is, north of— the Picos de Europa) and Cismontani (located on the "near" side, in the modern area of León). The Transmontani, placed between the Navia River and the central massif of the Picos de Europa, comprised the Iburri, Luggones, Paesici, Paenii, Saelini, Vinciani, Viromenici and Baedunienses; the Cismontani included the Amaci [es], Cabruagenigi, Lancienses, Lougei, Tiburi, Brigaecini, Orniaci, Superatii, Gigurri, Zoelae and Susarri (which dwelled around Asturica Augusta, in the Astura river valley, and was the main Astur town in Roman times). Prior to the Roman conquest in the late 1st century BC, they were united into a tribal federation with the mountain-top citadel of Asturica (Astorga) as their capital.

R1b-L51

10-24-2024, 08:16 PM

Interesting. That would make me triple an immigrant: Cisalpine Gaul => Iberia/Canaries => Hispaniola

I believe that Germanic genetics have existed in the Canary Islands since before the Germans existed.

134113

CANARID

Description:

Maghrebi type with similarities to Cromagnids and North Europeans - probably in part a result of convergent evolution of pre-Neolithic North Africans adapting to cloudy mountain regions, and partially of prehistoric migrations from Europe. Historically in some areas of the Canary Islands, especially in Gomera, Tenerife (Guanches), and Gran Canaria, heavily mixed on the islands today. Also in Berbers (Riffians, Kabyles), Tunisians, and Western Libya (Giado, Nalut).

Physical Traits:

Fair skin, wavy reddish, brown or blonde hair. Mixed eyes. Tall, mesoskelic, ectomorph to mesomorph. Mesocephalic, chamae- orthocranic, relatively large-headed. Mildly leptorrhine. Face broad, sometimes a bit low, large jaw, significant supraorbital arches, occasional mild prognathy, occiput round. Body hair modest.
Literature:
Named Canarid by Lundman (1943), a Paleo Atlantid subvariety (c.p. Lundman, 1951). Hooton (1925) defined it as the Guanche type, Coon (1939) as part of Brünn, Eickstedt (1934) part of Dalic. Peters (1940), Fischer (1943) and Schwidetzky (1963) as Cromagnid, Briggs (1955) as Type D. Heberer et al. (1969) and Knussmann (1996) later united it with Berberid. Michalski's (1964) Riffian is similar. Genetically, Guanches and Berbers are linked (Pino-Yanes et al. 2011).

R1b1b2 and I* are very common in lineages in Europe, and their moderate frequency among the examined Guanche males was suggested to have been a result of prehistoric gene flow from Europe into the region across the Mediterranean. It was found that Guanche males contributed less to the gene pool of modern Canary Islanders than Guanche females (as would be expected from the extremely bloody conquest of the islands). Haplogroups typical among the Guanche have been found at high frequencies in Latin America, suggesting that descendants of the Guanche played an active role in the Spanish colonization of the Americas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanches

Solitude

10-24-2024, 08:52 PM

Curiously, there is a Slavic impact (perhaps not Germanic), which comes from the first Halsttat, in Astures (note the capital Asturica Augusta), and in the Cantabri.

134112

The Astures may have been part of the early Hallstatt expansion that left the Bavarian-Bohemian homeland and migrated into Gaul, some continuing over the mountains into Spain and Portugal.[5] By the 6th century BC, they occupied castros (hillforts), such as Coanna and Mohias near Navia on the coast of the Bay of Biscay.[5] From the Roman point-of-view, expressed in the brief remarks of the historians Florus, epitomising Livy, and Orosius [citation needed], the Astures were divided into two factions, following the natural division made by the alpine karst mountains of the Picos de Europa range: the Transmontani (located in the modern Asturias, "beyond"— that is, north of— the Picos de Europa) and Cismontani (located on the "near" side, in the modern area of León). The Transmontani, placed between the Navia River and the central massif of the Picos de Europa, comprised the Iburri, Luggones, Paesici, Paenii, Saelini, Vinciani, Viromenici and Baedunienses; the Cismontani included the Amaci [es], Cabruagenigi, Lancienses, Lougei, Tiburi, Brigaecini, Orniaci, Superatii, Gigurri, Zoelae and Susarri (which dwelled around Asturica Augusta, in the Astura river valley, and was the main Astur town in Roman times). Prior to the Roman conquest in the late 1st century BC, they were united into a tribal federation with the mountain-top citadel of Asturica (Astorga) as their capital.

too interesting , i noticed some iberian samples was pulling a little bit of slavic and another ones no , so i thought could be just a noise but sometimes i think no , one time i asked gixajo about it