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Beorn
04-20-2009, 08:07 PM
Labour Minister PHIL WOLLAS: I want you to vote Tory

You wouldn't normally expect a Labour Minister to ask you to vote Conservative or Liberal Democrat or even Green. But this year I am doing just that. Don't worry, I have told the Chief Whip about my intentions and I am not going mad. I am very serious.

At the European elections on June 4, I would prefer you vote Labour. Indeed, I will be tramping the streets getting our supporters out to vote and trying to persuade others to follow suit.

But if you are not supporting Labour then please, please go out and vote for one of the other main parties. If you don't, the UK will have Euro-MPs from the far-Right BNP and they will be joining forces with the likes of the Italian Forza Nuova, the French National Front and Hungary's Jobbik Party.

Having BNP Euro-MPs would be disastrous. For a start, they would be entitled to £1million of taxpayers' money to form a political grouping in Brussels.

The threat of a BNP candidate being elected is very real indeed. In fact, if the turnout doesn't increase in June compared with the last Euro polls held in 2004, it's inevitable. That is because elections to Brussels, unlike those for Westminster, are run on a system of proportional representation.

Put crudely, MEPs are elected in regional blocks. If there are ten places up for grabs, a candidate needs just over a tenth of the vote to win. I know it's slightly more complicated than that, but the fact is the BNP's leader, Nick Griffin, is set to become a Euro MP unless you go out and vote for another party to get the turnout up.

Because of the proportional representation system, the bigger the population in a region, the less of the vote a candidate needs to get elected. In the North East of England, for example, there are three MEPs. To win you need about a third of the vote. In my region, the North West, where Griffin is standing, there are nine MEPs. So, if the BNP polls around one-ninth of the vote, he will win a coveted seat in the European Parliament.

In London there are also nine seats up for grabs. A similar voting system used in the London Assembly elections last year saw a BNP member elected in the capital.

In the South East there are ten MEPs, which means about ten per cent of the vote is enough to gain victory. In stark terms, assuming a 40 per cent turnout, 1 in 25 people voting BNP will secure the party a seat in Brussels.
The threat of the BNP winning a seat in Europe is very real
In the North West, based on 2004's turnout, the BNP would need only around 200,000 votes from an electorate of more than five million. Apathy, this time, will be very costly.

The other threat is that the far Right are trying to jump into the shoes of the United Kingdom Independence Party. UKIP did well in 2004, getting 13 Euro MPs elected. This time the BNP is desperate to shed its extremist image - the campaign leaflets don't mention race and ethnicity but concentrate instead on the EU.

Whatever your views on that august body - and there are many in the Labour Party who are Eurosceptical - the danger of the BNP stealing votes is very real.

This is not an idle or dull threat. As each year passes from the Second World War and the defeat of the Nazis, it gets more difficult to persuade people that the dangers of the far Right are very real.

If it is true that 'by their friends ye shall know them', then the BNP is bad company indeed. Its candidate for the West Midlands last week attended a rally in Milan with Forza Nuova, whose members include Mussolini's granddaughter.

The French MEP, Bruno Gollnisch, says the Nazi Holocaust never happened. The Jobbik Party members are as unsavoury a bunch as you can imagine.

In the past I have been accused of scare-mongering. I reject that. Those who say we should not mention the BNP are naive and in denial. In my own town of Oldham, we have taken on the BNP and defeated it. Mainstream politicians can't pretend it doesn't exist. By hiding its true beliefs and adopting populist issues, the BNP is trying to hoodwink voters.

The economic situation is also playing into BNP hands. Already we are seeing speeches attacking international conspiracies and 'usury' as the culprits in the economic downturn. For 'usury' read Jews - language that borders very carefully on the anti-Semitic hatred of the past.

In my lifetime, it's never been more difficult to fight the far Right. And although I disagree passionately with the policies of my Conservative and Lib-Dem opponents, I would far sooner see them in the Euro Parliament than the BNP.

So please, if you can't vote for my party, get out and vote against me! Source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1171730/Labour-Minister-PHIL-WOLLAS-I-want-vote-Tory.html)


How scared and frightened of the BNP does this sound?!

It speaks an absolute tome of insecurities and desperation to the voters that the big three are so scared of having the dominating stranglehold on Britain's politics ended, that they will happily endorse each other.

Where's the democracy in that?

Groenewolf
04-25-2009, 07:53 PM
For a moment I thought he was about to switch parties. But then I read the article and knew what it is about. Indeed part of it is to make sure that the pie (elected seats in this) does not have to be cut in smaller pieces.

Second part is probaly fear of loosing control. Namely they can no longer dictate the political culture, relativly uncontested.

RoyBatty
04-26-2009, 08:16 AM
Source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1171730/Labour-Minister-PHIL-WOLLAS-I-want-vote-Tory.html)


How scared and frightened of the BNP does this sound?!

It speaks an absolute tome of insecurities and desperation to the voters that the big three are so scared of having the dominating stranglehold on Britain's politics ended, that they will happily endorse each other.

Where's the democracy in that?

I love it! They really are s**tting themselves at Labour, LOL!!!!! :thumb001: :D



But if you are not supporting Labour then please, please go out and vote for one of the other main parties. If you don't, the UK will have Euro-MPs from the far-Right BNP and they will be joining forces with the likes of the Italian Forza Nuova, the French National Front and Hungary's Jobbik Party.


This is the clearest admission I've ever seen that the Democratic system is rigged and that there is no real difference between the major players. During election time they play musical chairs but at some point or another the "revolving door system" inevitably brings them back to the trough.

These plutocratic swindlers from the priviledged classes regard it as their damn birthright to keep screwing the country over! :mad:

VIVA BNP AND UKIP!!!!!

chap
04-26-2009, 09:34 AM
I just want Labour out and big cuts in public spending.

RoyBatty
04-26-2009, 09:41 AM
It won't get any better under the LibDems or the Conservatives. They'll pursue essentially the same type policies which Labour does. All of those parties have been rigged and infiltrated by the same special interests groups.

SwordoftheVistula
04-28-2009, 04:51 AM
I think these statements could backfire-potential Conservative voters could see this as confirmation of 'little difference between the major parties'

The Lawspeaker
04-28-2009, 11:37 AM
Labour or Conservatives. Different scumbag- same shit.
It shows two things: they are scared stiff of the rise of the BNP and that there is actually little difference between the main parties and this Labour minister in essence confirmed it because he made this plea. And all that because "they are so afraid of the BNP".. no they are afraid of the real opposition. Not because they might be "far right" but because they are the real opposition.

Freomæg
04-28-2009, 11:41 AM
VIVA BNP AND UKIP!!!!!
On that note, a recent interview with UKIP leader Nigel Farage where the BNP are mentioned as a threat. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00k3fr8/Straight_Talk_Nigel_Farage_UKIP_Leader/)

Are the UKIP an Establishment trap for would-be nationalists? I might start a thread on that.

Beorn
04-28-2009, 06:38 PM
On that note, a recent interview with UKIP leader Nigel Farage where the BNP are mentioned as a threat. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00k3fr8/Straight_Talk_Nigel_Farage_UKIP_Leader/)

I was only 3 minutes into the interview when I starting to notice the snivelling streak Nigel Farage possesses.
He basically admitted that he had turned the party around, and did so, by including blacks and Asians as a mean of attaining respectability.

Sigurd
04-28-2009, 07:52 PM
Of course he's going to ask you to vote Tory if you're not voting Labour: The main three parties - LibDems, Labour and Tories are now so far apart in ideology and policy-making that you'd be hardpressed to get a leaf of Rizla Silver in between. The only party that would make a difference is the BNP.

The people are fed up with the approach that Brussels is taking, and the approach that the leading three parties are taking towards the EU. This was heralded in the good turnout for the UKIP in 2004. So of course they should be alarmed, as UKIP hasn't achieved anything, and the only others who are critical of what is happening is the BNP. The BNP understands that as well --- so obviously it's going to appeal to a clientele which is not traditionally within its ideological base. Those that weren't afraid of being labelled "extremists" voted BNP back in 2004 already.

Though of course, the UK withdrawing from the EU altogether, well - the idea shouldn't be to reject Europe, but perhaps to improve Europe, which is the viewpoint of the BNP at large, and shared by most Euro-Nationalist parties --- "Europe of the Fatherlands" is what they're calling for, in the end.

Though I find it mildly curious that he would mention the Fuorza Nuova and the Front Nationale ---- but fails to maintain those Patriotic/Nationalist parties who are actually reasonably likely to get a whole host of seats from their country: That being the Vlaams Belang and the FPÖ.

Which kind of shows you again the attitude that the main parties have: "Who cares about these little states, they only have approx. 20-30 MEPs, let's just decide over their heads." And that's what annoys the people, if you assume the mindset of elsewhere: "Who cares about the commonfolk, as long as they're something in it for us 'corporate sharks'". :coffee:

chap
04-29-2009, 07:47 PM
Well, it's clear to me that the Conservatives are the better option - fiscally far more responsible than Labour, more judicious over who is allowed to live & work in the UK, more aware of what powers should rest with the EU, and what powers should remain with the UK Parliament.