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ScandinavianCelt

10-06-2024, 06:28 PM

Dušan

10-06-2024, 06:32 PM

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 5.4924% / 0.05492431
39.0 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
37.0 Hungary_LN_Tisza
10.2 Greece_Peloponnese_N
6.6 Greece_N.SG
5.0 Hungary_MN_LBK.SG
2.2 Latvia_HG.SG

Eurafricanid

10-06-2024, 06:34 PM

Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.3608% / 0.03360792
50.0 Greece_Peloponnese_N
25.8 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
12.6 Spain_EN.SG
6.4 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
5.2 Germany_Mesolithic

tk'es

10-06-2024, 06:46 PM

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 12.1535% / 0.12153511
57.2 Greece_Peloponnese_N
40.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
2.2 Brazil_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

ScandinavianCelt

10-06-2024, 06:49 PM

Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.3608% / 0.03360792
50.0 Greece_Peloponnese_N
25.8 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
12.6 Spain_EN.SG
6.4 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
5.2 Germany_Mesolithic

Extremely good distance for such an ancient-only calc!

Athalafuns

10-06-2024, 06:52 PM

Target: RNB27
Distance: 3.6713% / 0.03671346
39.4 Spain_EN.SG
31.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
24.6 Greece_Peloponnese_N
4.6 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG

ScandinavianCelt

10-06-2024, 07:01 PM

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 12.1535% / 0.12153511
57.2 Greece_Peloponnese_N
40.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
2.2 Brazil_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Add these 4 and see how yours changes please. Post it if you can.

GEO_CHG:KK1,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG,0.037562,0.072103,-0.165556,-0.016473,-0.11756,0.01506,0.017861,-0.003231,-0.071583,-0.046835,0.003085,-0.003147,0.00669,0.000688,0.022122,0.053036,-0.011735,0.001014,0.014581,-0.035267,0.009358,-0.023741,-0.006655,-0.032896,0.019998
Armenia_Aknashen_N,0.097888,0.128972,-0.080704,-0.058463,-0.04647,-0.008646,0.012456,-0.005538,-0.050108,-0.011481,0.005846,0.003447,-0.011893,-0.00055,-0.004886,0.015115,0.027381,0.004814,0.009302,-0.008754,0.011355,0.004575,-0.00419,0.001928,0.002754
Armenia_MasisBlur_N,0.104717,0.15436,-0.064488,-0.083011,-0.017234,-0.03514,0.013631,-0.003,-0.015748,0.015308,0.011367,0.006294,-0.013231,-0.000413,-0.019001,0.009149,0.022296,-0.008995,-0.001634,0.007754,-0.001248,0.005564,-0.002958,-0.006507,-0.003113

Mine changes to this with these 4 added:

Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 4.3488% / 0.04348756
40.8 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
40.6 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
8.6 Romania_IronGates_Mesolithic.SG
7.0 GEO_CHG:KK1
3.0 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG

hazmatnik

10-06-2024, 07:03 PM

Target: Nikola_scaled
Distance: 5.6240% / 0.05624048
45.2 Hungary_LN_Tisza
35.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
14.4 Greece_Peloponnese_N
4.6 Hungary_MN_LBK.SG
0.4 Latvia_HG.SG

tk'es

10-06-2024, 07:07 PM

Add these 4 and see how yours changes please. Post it if you can.

GEO_CHG:KK1,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG,0.037562,0.072103,-0.165556,-0.016473,-0.11756,0.01506,0.017861,-0.003231,-0.071583,-0.046835,0.003085,-0.003147,0.00669,0.000688,0.022122,0.053036,-0.011735,0.001014,0.014581,-0.035267,0.009358,-0.023741,-0.006655,-0.032896,0.019998
Armenia_Aknashen_N,0.097888,0.128972,-0.080704,-0.058463,-0.04647,-0.008646,0.012456,-0.005538,-0.050108,-0.011481,0.005846,0.003447,-0.011893,-0.00055,-0.004886,0.015115,0.027381,0.004814,0.009302,-0.008754,0.011355,0.004575,-0.00419,0.001928,0.002754
Armenia_MasisBlur_N,0.104717,0.15436,-0.064488,-0.083011,-0.017234,-0.03514,0.013631,-0.003,-0.015748,0.015308,0.011367,0.006294,-0.013231,-0.000413,-0.019001,0.009149,0.022296,-0.008995,-0.001634,0.007754,-0.001248,0.005564,-0.002958,-0.006507,-0.003113

Mine changes to this with these 4 added:

Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 4.3488% / 0.04348756
40.8 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
40.6 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
8.6 Romania_IronGates_Mesolithic.SG
7.0 GEO_CHG:KK1
3.0 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 5.1914% / 0.05191421
33.8 GEO_CHG
24.0 Armenia_Aknashen_N
23.2 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
17.2 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
1.8 Brazil_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Caucasus+Germanic = forever

Xavier727

10-06-2024, 07:12 PM

Target: scaled
Distance: 4.3011% / 0.04301122
44.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
20.4 Croatia_MN
18.6 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
6.6 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
5.8 Norway_N_HG.SG
4.2 Greece_Peloponnese_N

Lux Tenebras

10-06-2024, 07:14 PM

Distance: 4.1876% / 0.04187599
57.0 Greece_Peloponnese_N
27.8 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
12.4 Ukraine_Mesolithic
2.8 Croatia_MN

ScandinavianCelt

10-06-2024, 07:16 PM

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 5.1914% / 0.05191421
33.8 GEO_CHG
24.0 Armenia_Aknashen_N
23.2 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
17.2 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
1.8 Brazil_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Caucasus+Germanic = forever

Looks good. I'm shocked to see that Brazil there.

If you add these do your results change again?

Turkey_Boncuklu_N,0.1163274,0.169187,0.0135764,-0.070737,0.0552104,-0.036423,-0.0033372,-0.0031384,0.0342372,0.0788354,0.0094832,0.0148966,-0.0301482,0.002615,-0.0387616,-0.0055954,0.0294408,0.0051432,0.0108856,-0.0090544,-0.0077362,0.0076664,-0.0072962,-0.0107484,-0.0058678
Turkey_Boncuklu_N.SG,0.119514,0.166547,0.008297,-0.066215,0.055703,-0.041276,0.00517,-0.008077,0.029451,0.075992,0.006658,0.01139,-0.027651,-0.000138,-0.038545,-0.002519,0.027902,0.003927,0.016718,-0.016758,-0.018842,0.004946,-0.005053,-0.001446,-0.002994
Turkey_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic.SG,0.08992,0.175687,-0.015085,-0.131785,0.036007,-0.061914,-0.011281,-0.025153,0.022702,0.056311,0.021435,0.007493,-0.003419,-0.008945,-0.040852,-0.035004,0.026077,0.009628,0.00264,0.005628,-0.019341,0.008656,0.000493,0.006989,0.001796
Turkey_Kumtepe_N_lc.SG,0.092197,0.076165,-0.018856,-0.017765,0.063089,-0.05522,-0.056638,-0.091381,-0.054812,0.013303,-0.008119,-0.058898,0.058721,-0.015414,-0.082654,-0.005436,-0.000913,-0.027618,0.083212,-0.015007,-0.014599,0.009274,0.049422,0.03627,0.007903
Turkey_Kumtepe_N.SG,0.09675,0.176702,-0.02489,-0.085595,0.025851,-0.04267,-0.013161,-0.004384,0.028633,0.049933,0.010718,0.018134,-0.030029,0.013625,-0.031216,-0.020154,-0.000652,-0.003801,0.01345,-0.003502,-0.014724,-0.002968,0.002711,-0.005904,-0.008143
Turkey_N,0.1179017,0.1800873,0.0034255,-0.1010589,0.0512402,-0.0479692,-0.0037992,-0.006846,0.0361667,0.0806776,0.0082614,0.0113088,-0.0241636,0.0005791,-0.0427122,-0.0103696,0.0225564,0.0013883,0.0136487,-0.0104478,-0.0142612,0.0056932,-0.0049042,-0.0037505,-0.0044357
Turkey_N_noUDG,0.1161,0.187873,0.005657,-0.107883,0.048932,-0.045459,0.0047,-0.004384,0.035792,0.079637,0.007957,0.012889,-0.022894,0.003165,-0.040309,-0.017502,0.020731,0.00038,0.01169,-0.006753,-0.009858,0.006677,-0.002588,-0.008435,-0.005508
Turkey_N.DG,0.117238,0.183811,0.000754,-0.107237,0.052933,-0.052431,-0.00282,-0.011538,0.045404,0.08638,0.010393,0.004646,-0.017393,0.002477,-0.040716,-0.006762,0.02034,0.003167,0.013324,0.000625,-0.009234,0.009645,-0.00037,-0.010363,-0.011256
Turkey_N.SG,0.112685,0.1827955,0.007731,-0.099161,0.0547795,-0.0492245,-0.0045825,-0.007615,0.04612,0.105879,0.009581,0.0198575,-0.0336715,-0.001789,-0.083739,-0.0133255,0.058412,-0.004561,0.0188545,-0.022386,-0.028138,0.017126,-0.0126945,-0.009941,-0.0131725
Turkey_TepecikCiftlik_N.SG,0.1081317,0.1736557,-0.011942,-0.1006683,0.027287,-0.0386727,-0.0032903,-0.0051537,0.026247,0.0613527,0.0121793,0.010141,-0.0080277,0.0071563,-0.0383183,-0.0062317,0.0123867,-0.0017313,0.0102653,-0.0060863,0.0015387,0.0063887,-0.0023003,-0.003454,-0.0046703
Mongolia_East_N,0.024472,-0.44074,0.0795725,-0.036176,-0.078784,-0.0578695,0.0186835,0.01673,0.0181,0.024784,-0.03467,-0.0007495,0.003642,0.003028,-0.006854,-0.005768,0.0004565,0.002787,0.003457,0.017071,-0.0169075,-0.0042045,-0.024465,-0.0083745,0.0054485
Mongolia_North_N,0.0248136,-0.433631,0.0870394,-0.0256462,-0.082354,-0.0518178,0.0135366,0.0168456,0.0169348,0.0192442,-0.0281908,-0.0008994,0.004014,-0.0049268,-0.0057274,-0.0056484,0.0032076,0.0002786,0.0036954,0.019259,-0.0195906,-0.0041052,-0.0158002,-0.0064826,0.0081668

My results don't change with these above.

ScandinavianCelt

10-06-2024, 07:21 PM

Try your 2x!

Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 5.3938% / 0.05393820 | ADC: 2x RC
52.4 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
47.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic

tk'es

10-06-2024, 07:23 PM

Looks good. I'm shocked to see that Brazil there.

If you add these do your results change again?

Turkey_Boncuklu_N,0.1163274,0.169187,0.0135764,-0.070737,0.0552104,-0.036423,-0.0033372,-0.0031384,0.0342372,0.0788354,0.0094832,0.0148966,-0.0301482,0.002615,-0.0387616,-0.0055954,0.0294408,0.0051432,0.0108856,-0.0090544,-0.0077362,0.0076664,-0.0072962,-0.0107484,-0.0058678
Turkey_Boncuklu_N.SG,0.119514,0.166547,0.008297,-0.066215,0.055703,-0.041276,0.00517,-0.008077,0.029451,0.075992,0.006658,0.01139,-0.027651,-0.000138,-0.038545,-0.002519,0.027902,0.003927,0.016718,-0.016758,-0.018842,0.004946,-0.005053,-0.001446,-0.002994
Turkey_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic.SG,0.08992,0.175687,-0.015085,-0.131785,0.036007,-0.061914,-0.011281,-0.025153,0.022702,0.056311,0.021435,0.007493,-0.003419,-0.008945,-0.040852,-0.035004,0.026077,0.009628,0.00264,0.005628,-0.019341,0.008656,0.000493,0.006989,0.001796
Turkey_Kumtepe_N_lc.SG,0.092197,0.076165,-0.018856,-0.017765,0.063089,-0.05522,-0.056638,-0.091381,-0.054812,0.013303,-0.008119,-0.058898,0.058721,-0.015414,-0.082654,-0.005436,-0.000913,-0.027618,0.083212,-0.015007,-0.014599,0.009274,0.049422,0.03627,0.007903
Turkey_Kumtepe_N.SG,0.09675,0.176702,-0.02489,-0.085595,0.025851,-0.04267,-0.013161,-0.004384,0.028633,0.049933,0.010718,0.018134,-0.030029,0.013625,-0.031216,-0.020154,-0.000652,-0.003801,0.01345,-0.003502,-0.014724,-0.002968,0.002711,-0.005904,-0.008143
Turkey_N,0.1179017,0.1800873,0.0034255,-0.1010589,0.0512402,-0.0479692,-0.0037992,-0.006846,0.0361667,0.0806776,0.0082614,0.0113088,-0.0241636,0.0005791,-0.0427122,-0.0103696,0.0225564,0.0013883,0.0136487,-0.0104478,-0.0142612,0.0056932,-0.0049042,-0.0037505,-0.0044357
Turkey_N_noUDG,0.1161,0.187873,0.005657,-0.107883,0.048932,-0.045459,0.0047,-0.004384,0.035792,0.079637,0.007957,0.012889,-0.022894,0.003165,-0.040309,-0.017502,0.020731,0.00038,0.01169,-0.006753,-0.009858,0.006677,-0.002588,-0.008435,-0.005508
Turkey_N.DG,0.117238,0.183811,0.000754,-0.107237,0.052933,-0.052431,-0.00282,-0.011538,0.045404,0.08638,0.010393,0.004646,-0.017393,0.002477,-0.040716,-0.006762,0.02034,0.003167,0.013324,0.000625,-0.009234,0.009645,-0.00037,-0.010363,-0.011256
Turkey_N.SG,0.112685,0.1827955,0.007731,-0.099161,0.0547795,-0.0492245,-0.0045825,-0.007615,0.04612,0.105879,0.009581,0.0198575,-0.0336715,-0.001789,-0.083739,-0.0133255,0.058412,-0.004561,0.0188545,-0.022386,-0.028138,0.017126,-0.0126945,-0.009941,-0.0131725
Turkey_TepecikCiftlik_N.SG,0.1081317,0.1736557,-0.011942,-0.1006683,0.027287,-0.0386727,-0.0032903,-0.0051537,0.026247,0.0613527,0.0121793,0.010141,-0.0080277,0.0071563,-0.0383183,-0.0062317,0.0123867,-0.0017313,0.0102653,-0.0060863,0.0015387,0.0063887,-0.0023003,-0.003454,-0.0046703
Mongolia_East_N,0.024472,-0.44074,0.0795725,-0.036176,-0.078784,-0.0578695,0.0186835,0.01673,0.0181,0.024784,-0.03467,-0.0007495,0.003642,0.003028,-0.006854,-0.005768,0.0004565,0.002787,0.003457,0.017071,-0.0169075,-0.0042045,-0.024465,-0.0083745,0.0054485
Mongolia_North_N,0.0248136,-0.433631,0.0870394,-0.0256462,-0.082354,-0.0518178,0.0135366,0.0168456,0.0169348,0.0192442,-0.0281908,-0.0008994,0.004014,-0.0049268,-0.0057274,-0.0056484,0.0032076,0.0002786,0.0036954,0.019259,-0.0195906,-0.0041052,-0.0158002,-0.0064826,0.0081668

My results don't change with these above.

results have been changed and i would like to know what Brazil is doing in there :lol:

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 4.8144% / 0.04814441
33.0 GEO_CHG
18.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
16.0 Turkey_Kumtepe_N.SG
15.2 Armenia_Aknashen_N
6.0 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
6.0 Turkey_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic.SG
3.2 Mongolia_East_N
2.2 Turkey_Kumtepe_N_lc.SG

tk'es

10-06-2024, 07:24 PM

Try your 2x!

Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 5.3938% / 0.05393820 | ADC: 2x RC
52.4 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
47.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 10.7600% / 0.10760050 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Armenia_Aknashen_N

Eurafricanid

10-06-2024, 07:27 PM

Try your 2x!
...

Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 10.2934% / 0.10293446 | ADC: 2x RC
59.6 Spain_EN.SG
40.4 Bulgaria_C

ScandinavianCelt

10-06-2024, 07:27 PM

results have been changed and i would like to know what Brazil is doing in there :lol:

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 4.8144% / 0.04814441
33.0 GEO_CHG
18.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
16.0 Turkey_Kumtepe_N.SG
15.2 Armenia_Aknashen_N
6.0 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
6.0 Turkey_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic.SG
3.2 Mongolia_East_N
2.2 Turkey_Kumtepe_N_lc.SG

It looks like it would have matched your Mongolia_East_N sample to 1.8%

Beowulf

10-06-2024, 07:33 PM

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0345% / 0.03445722
32.3 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
32.1 Greece_Peloponnese_N
28.2 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
6.0 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
1.4 Romania_IronGates_Mesolithic

MandM

10-06-2024, 07:39 PM

Target: MandM
Distance: 3.5630% / 0.03563034
61.6 Greece_Peloponnese_N
33.0 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
5.4 Norway_N_HG.SG

ScandinavianCelt

10-06-2024, 07:41 PM

Target: CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569
Distance: 6.1327% / 0.06132706 | ADC: 2x RC
51.6 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
48.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic

Target: CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569
Distance: 4.3151% / 0.04315126
45.0 Hungary_LN_Tisza
27.8 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
18.2 Ukraine_Mesolithic
9.0 GEO_CHG

At 2x I am .8% off Early-Slav with France_HautsDeFrance_MN, and .8% off with Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic.

I could be wrong, but I think I have a lot more Early_Slav genetics than I realized until lately. I plot very close to that Early_Slav sample on some of the PCA charts, I think closest in West_Eurasia. I'd have to check.

https://i.postimg.cc/8zcC0Yy4/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2024-10-06-T154728-878.png (https://postimages.org/)

It looks closest to me through the Swedes (Sweden21) via the N.Eurasia2 PCA

https://i.postimg.cc/BnD41Gtj/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2024-10-06-T155153-841.png (https://postimages.org/)

With a calc gauging the samples between me and the EarlySlav, we get this compared:

Target: CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569
Distance: 3.0683% / 0.03068263
64.2 Russian_Orel:russianOrjol56
32.8 Swedish:Sweden21
3.0 Finland_Levanluhta_B:JK2065_noUDG

Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 3.0497% / 0.03049732
41.8 Norwegian:NOR101
29.2 Swedish:Sweden21
16.4 Finland_Levanluhta_B:JK2065_noUDG
12.6 Russian_Orel:russianOrjol56

I imagine I'm linking to the Slavs through parts of my Swedish family. I think they came through the Baltics via Eastern Sweden, Gotland and Uppsala, but I'm not sure exactly when. Probably during the Viking Age.

noricum

10-06-2024, 07:47 PM

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 5.1567% / 0.05156681
55.0 Hungary_LN_Tisza
40.8 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
4.2 Latvia_HG.SG

Kenshiro

10-06-2024, 07:52 PM

Target: Kenshiro_Scaled
Distance: 3.3602% / 0.03360187
70.0 Greece_Peloponnese_N
30.0 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic

Danjojo

10-06-2024, 08:07 PM

Target: DanjojoG25sim
Distance: 4.0343% / 0.04034266
44.2 Hungary_LN_Tisza
41.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
7.2 Romania_IronGates_Mesolithic
4.4 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
2.6 Greece_Peloponnese_N

~~~
With optional

Target: DanjojoG25sim
Distance: 3.8571% / 0.03857115
42.0 Hungary_LN_Tisza
26.2 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
18.4 Norway_N_HG.SG
7.2 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
6.2 GEO_CHG

Target: DanjojoG25sim
Distance: 4.0708% / 0.04070797 | R3P
52.2 Hungary_LN_Tisza
36.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
11.2 Ukraine_Mesolithic

Target: DanjojoG25sim
Distance: 5.0788% / 0.05078790 | ADC: 1x RC
55.2 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
44.8 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic

ScandinavianCelt

10-06-2024, 08:08 PM

Target: Kenshiro_Scaled
Distance: 3.3602% / 0.03360187
70.0 Greece_Peloponnese_N
30.0 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic

Very tidy results. Good work. :)

ScandinavianCelt

10-06-2024, 08:13 PM

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 5.1567% / 0.05156681
55.0 Hungary_LN_Tisza
40.8 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
4.2 Latvia_HG.SG

Target: DanjojoG25sim
Distance: 4.0343% / 0.04034266
44.2 Hungary_LN_Tisza
41.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
7.2 Romania_IronGates_Mesolithic
4.4 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
2.6 Greece_Peloponnese_N

~~~

You guys aren't too far apart here

ScandinavianCelt

10-06-2024, 08:21 PM

Target: CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569
Distance: 6.1327% / 0.06132706 | ADC: 2x RC
51.6 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
48.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic

Target: CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569
Distance: 4.3151% / 0.04315126
45.0 Hungary_LN_Tisza
27.8 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
18.2 Ukraine_Mesolithic
9.0 GEO_CHG

At 2x I am .8% off Early-Slav with France_HautsDeFrance_MN, and .8% off with Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic.

I could be wrong, but I think I have a lot more Early_Slav genetics than I realized until lately. I plot very close to that Early_Slav sample on some of the PCA charts, I think closest in West_Eurasia. I'd have to check.

https://i.postimg.cc/8zcC0Yy4/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2024-10-06-T154728-878.png (https://postimages.org/)

It looks closest to me through the Swedes (Sweden21) via the N.Eurasia2 PCA

https://i.postimg.cc/BnD41Gtj/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2024-10-06-T155153-841.png (https://postimages.org/)

With a calc gauging the samples between me and the EarlySlav, we get this compared:

Target: CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569
Distance: 3.0683% / 0.03068263
64.2 Russian_Orel:russianOrjol56
32.8 Swedish:Sweden21
3.0 Finland_Levanluhta_B:JK2065_noUDG

Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 3.0497% / 0.03049732
41.8 Norwegian:NOR101
29.2 Swedish:Sweden21
16.4 Finland_Levanluhta_B:JK2065_noUDG
12.6 Russian_Orel:russianOrjol56

I imagine I'm linking to the Slavs through parts of my Swedish family. I think they came through the Baltics via Eastern Sweden, Gotland and Uppsala, but I'm not sure exactly when. Probably during the Viking Age.

I may be right. On the North Europe map there is a Viking sample almost directly between me and the Early Slav (grt036), and look at the results now if I add that one:

Target: CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569
Distance: 2.8567% / 0.02856745
51.2 Russian_Orel:russianOrjol56
33.2 Sweden_Viking.SG:vik_grt036_noUDG.SG
15.6 Swedish:Sweden21

Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 2.9422% / 0.02942236
31.6 Sweden_Viking.SG:vik_grt036_noUDG.SG
30.8 Norwegian:NOR101
29.0 Swedish:Sweden21
8.6 Finland_Levanluhta_B:JK2065_noUDG

My distance to that viking is .036 and Slav distance to it is .039. I think I found my Slavic link. :)

In the NW_Europe PCA there are a handful of Vikings between us and the result is similar, linking to grt036:

Target: CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569
Distance: 3.4245% / 0.03424470 | ADC: 2x RC
51.6 Sweden_Viking.SG:VK53_noUDG.SG
48.4 Sweden_Viking.SG:vik_grt036_noUDG.SG

Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 3.3569% / 0.03356851 | ADC: 2x RC
51.2 England_Viking.SG:VK145_noUDG.SG
48.8 Sweden_Viking.SG:vik_grt036_noUDG.SG

It looks like a fit.

the grt036 sample 2-way:

https://i.postimg.cc/kGpkmKLV/grt036-2-way.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

R1b-L51

10-06-2024, 09:53 PM

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 4.4283% / 0.04428317
34.4 Greece_Peloponnese_N
34.0 Spain_EN.SG
26.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
5.0 Spain_ElMiron

Distance to: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
0.11006957 Spain_EN.SG
0.11612346 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
0.11832003 Italy_Sicily_EN
0.11931846 France_MN
0.12061907 Bulgaria_C
0.12133618 France_MN_1
0.12285251 Hungary_LN_Tisza
0.12328411 Hungary_Tisza_LN
0.13667308 Spain_EN
0.13694566 Germany_EssenbachAmmerbreite_LBK_EN.SG
0.13917091 Germany_Herxheim_LBK_EN.SG
0.14031218 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
0.14121260 Germany_EN_LBK
0.14461589 Greece_Peloponnese_N
0.14935279 Croatia_MN
0.15575613 Greece_NeaNikomedeia_EN.SG
0.15631894 Hungary_MN_LBK
0.16159641 Greece_N.SG
0.16526714 Greece_N
0.17683905 Hungary_MN_LBK.SG
0.26126513 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
0.26280807 Spain_ElMiron
0.26678603 Ukraine_Mesolithic
0.28214399 Norway_N_HG.SG
0.29625696 Hungary_EN_HG_Koros

ScandinavianCelt

10-06-2024, 10:03 PM

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 4.4283% / 0.04428317
34.4 Greece_Peloponnese_N
34.0 Spain_EN.SG
26.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
5.0 Spain_ElMiron

Distance to: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
0.11006957 Spain_EN.SG
0.11612346 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
0.11832003 Italy_Sicily_EN
0.11931846 France_MN
0.12061907 Bulgaria_C
0.12133618 France_MN_1
0.12285251 Hungary_LN_Tisza
0.12328411 Hungary_Tisza_LN
0.13667308 Spain_EN
0.13694566 Germany_EssenbachAmmerbreite_LBK_EN.SG
0.13917091 Germany_Herxheim_LBK_EN.SG
0.14031218 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
0.14121260 Germany_EN_LBK
0.14461589 Greece_Peloponnese_N
0.14935279 Croatia_MN
0.15575613 Greece_NeaNikomedeia_EN.SG
0.15631894 Hungary_MN_LBK
0.16159641 Greece_N.SG
0.16526714 Greece_N
0.17683905 Hungary_MN_LBK.SG
0.26126513 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
0.26280807 Spain_ElMiron
0.26678603 Ukraine_Mesolithic
0.28214399 Norway_N_HG.SG
0.29625696 Hungary_EN_HG_Koros

I just updated the master link to include the Turkey_N samples, some Armenia, CHG, Morroco EN & LN, and a few others. I imagine your results will change now a little if you try the updated one.

R1b-L51

10-06-2024, 10:10 PM

I just updated the master link to include the Turkey_N samples, some Armenia, CHG, Morroco EN & LN, and a few others. I imagine your results will change now a little if you try the updated one.

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 3.1833% / 0.03183320
23.4 Spain_EN.SG
22.0 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
19.8 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
12.8 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
7.0 GEO_CHG
4.8 Morocco_EN_(Ifri_n'Amr_ou_Moussa)
4.2 Hungary_LN_Tisza
4.2 Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG
1.8 Latvia_HG.SG

Distance to: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
0.11006957 Spain_EN.SG
0.11006957 Spain_EN.SG
0.11612346 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
0.11612346 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
0.11832003 Italy_Sicily_EN
0.11832003 Italy_Sicily_EN
0.11931846 France_MN
0.11931846 France_MN
0.12061907 Bulgaria_C
0.12061907 Bulgaria_C
0.12133618 France_MN_1
0.12133618 France_MN_1
0.12285251 Hungary_LN_Tisza
0.12285251 Hungary_LN_Tisza
0.12328411 Hungary_Tisza_LN
0.12328411 Hungary_Tisza_LN
0.12475192 Turkey_Boncuklu_N.SG
0.12499734 Turkey_Boncuklu_N
0.13667308 Spain_EN
0.13667308 Spain_EN
0.13694566 Germany_EssenbachAmmerbreite_LBK_EN.SG
0.13694566 Germany_EssenbachAmmerbreite_LBK_EN.SG
0.13758459 Turkey_Kumtepe_N.SG
0.13917091 Germany_Herxheim_LBK_EN.SG
0.13917091 Germany_Herxheim_LBK_EN.SG

Polak

10-06-2024, 10:10 PM

Target: Polak_Simulated_scaled
Distance: 5.2896% / 0.05289623
39.6 Hungary_LN_Tisza
31.6 Ukraine_Mesolithic
21.2 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
6.4 GEO_CHG
1.2 Turkey_Kumtepe_N_lc.SG

Target: Polak_scaled
Distance: 7.7360% / 0.07736050
39.6 Hungary_LN_Tisza
18.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
16.2 Norway_N_HG.SG
15.8 Ukraine_Mesolithic
5.8 GEO_CHG
4.2 Turkey_Kumtepe_N_lc.SG

Gallop

10-06-2024, 10:10 PM

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.7399% / 0.02739881
31.6 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
30.0 Spain_EN.SG
20.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
9.0 GEO_CHG
3.2 Morocco_EN_(Ifri_n'Amr_ou_Moussa)
1.8 Morocco_LN
1.8 Turkey_Kumtepe_N.SG
1.2 Armenia_Aknashen_N
0.8 Latvia_HG.SG

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.9810% / 0.02980972
38.0 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
21.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
13.4 Hungary_LN_Tisza
5.6 Morocco_LN
5.2 GEO_CHG
4.0 Armenia_Aknashen_N
3.4 France_MN
3.4 Morocco_EN_(Ifri_n'Amr_ou_Moussa)
3.0 Germany_Herxheim_LBK_EN.SG
1.8 Romania_IronGates_Mesolithic
0.6 Latvia_HG.SG

Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 2.4642% / 0.02464187
47.6 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
20.2 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
11.4 Hungary_LN_Tisza
4.6 Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG
4.6 Morocco_EN_(Ifri_n'Amr_ou_Moussa)
4.4 Spain_EN.SG
3.0 GEO_CHG
2.8 Turkey_Kumtepe_N.SG
0.6 Latvia_HG.SG
0.4 Armenia_Aknashen_N
0.4 Morocco_LN

ScandinavianCelt

10-06-2024, 10:18 PM

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.7399% / 0.02739881
31.6 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
30.0 Spain_EN.SG
20.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
9.0 GEO_CHG
3.2 Morocco_EN_(Ifri_n'Amr_ou_Moussa)
1.8 Morocco_LN
1.8 Turkey_Kumtepe_N.SG
1.2 Armenia_Aknashen_N
0.8 Latvia_HG.SG

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.9810% / 0.02980972
38.0 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
21.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
13.4 Hungary_LN_Tisza
5.6 Morocco_LN
5.2 GEO_CHG
4.0 Armenia_Aknashen_N
3.4 France_MN
3.4 Morocco_EN_(Ifri_n'Amr_ou_Moussa)
3.0 Germany_Herxheim_LBK_EN.SG
1.8 Romania_IronGates_Mesolithic
0.6 Latvia_HG.SG

Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 2.4642% / 0.02464187
47.6 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
20.2 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
11.4 Hungary_LN_Tisza
4.6 Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG
4.6 Morocco_EN_(Ifri_n'Amr_ou_Moussa)
4.4 Spain_EN.SG
3.0 GEO_CHG
2.8 Turkey_Kumtepe_N.SG
0.6 Latvia_HG.SG
0.4 Armenia_Aknashen_N
0.4 Morocco_LN

what do you get at 1x and 2x?

PT Tagus

10-06-2024, 11:47 PM

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 3.8646% / 0.03864580
21.6 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
20.2 Hungary_LN_Tisza
19.0 Germany_Herxheim_LBK_EN.SG
18.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
6.4 Morocco_EN_(Ifri_n'Amr_ou_Moussa)
5.4 GEO_CHG
5.2 Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG
3.8 Latvia_HG.SG

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 4.2993% / 0.04299291 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.2 Spain_EN.SG
24.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
16.2 Turkey_Kumtepe_N.SG
11.8 Morocco_LN
7.4 Armenia_Aknashen_N

Target: Endovelicus_scaled
Distance: 4.8086% / 0.04808588 | ADC: 1x RC
60.4 Spain_EN.SG
20.8 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
18.8 Armenia_Aknashen_N

celticdragongod

10-06-2024, 11:57 PM

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.16951871 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
0.16951871 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
0.17294634 Spain_EN.SG
0.17294634 Spain_EN.SG
0.17824666 France_MN_1
0.17824666 France_MN_1
0.17999260 France_MN
0.17999260 France_MN
0.18469140 Bulgaria_C
0.18469140 Bulgaria_C
0.18514300 Hungary_LN_Tisza
0.18514300 Hungary_LN_Tisza
0.18536065 Italy_Sicily_EN
0.18536065 Italy_Sicily_EN
0.18563577 Hungary_Tisza_LN
0.18563577 Hungary_Tisza_LN
0.18722010 Turkey_Boncuklu_N.SG
0.19006960 Turkey_Boncuklu_N
0.19776261 Germany_EssenbachAmmerbreite_LBK_EN.SG
0.19776261 Germany_EssenbachAmmerbreite_LBK_EN.SG
0.20016237 Spain_EN
0.20016237 Spain_EN
0.20019219 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
0.20019219 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
0.20351563 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.3881% / 0.05388064
43.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
30.6 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
11.6 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
9.8 Hungary_LN_Tisza
3.2 GEO_CHG
1.2 Ukraine_Mesolithic

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.3881% / 0.05388064
28.2 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
24.8 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
15.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
8.4 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
8.2 Hungary_LN_Tisza
5.8 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
3.2 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
3.2 GEO_CHG:KK1
1.6 Hungary_LN_Tisza
1.2 Ukraine_Mesolithic

oszkar07

10-07-2024, 08:47 AM

Target: Oszk
Distance: 4.5869% / 0.04586940
34.8 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
32.2 Hungary_LN_Tisza
17.8 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
9.2 Latvia_HG.SG
6.0 GEO_CHG

cass

10-07-2024, 12:59 PM

Target: cass
Distance: 4.8001% / 0.04800108
45.2 Hungary_LN_Tisza
22.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
15.4 Norway_N_HG.SG
9.2 Ukraine_Mesolithic
7.6 GEO_CHG

ScandinavianCelt

10-07-2024, 01:57 PM

Target: cass
Distance: 4.8001% / 0.04800108
45.2 Hungary_LN_Tisza
22.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
15.4 Norway_N_HG.SG
9.2 Ukraine_Mesolithic
7.6 GEO_CHG

looks like my CHG went to Armenia, or did it go to Tisza? where did yours go?

Target: SC_Official_23andMe_Scaled
Distance: 4.8624% / 0.04862448 | ADC: 1x RC
44.0 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
39.4 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
12.4 Armenia_Aknashen_N
4.2 Spain_EN.SG

Target: SC_Official_23andMe_Scaled
Distance: 4.7669% / 0.04766853 | ADC: 0.5x RC
45.8 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
25.8 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
20.0 Hungary_LN_Tisza
8.4 Armenia_Aknashen_N

Target: SC_Official_23andMe_Scaled
Distance: 4.6617% / 0.04661734 | ADC: 0.25x RC
36.2 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
35.4 Hungary_LN_Tisza
11.2 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
9.2 Ukraine_Mesolithic
7.8 GEO_CHG:KK1
0.2 Armenia_Aknashen_N

Target: SC_Official_23andMe_Scaled
Distance: 4.5021% / 0.04502106
42.6 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
40.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
9.4 Romania_IronGates_Mesolithic
7.6 GEO_CHG:KK1

unmoggable

10-07-2024, 08:41 PM

Target: unmoggable
Distance: 4.5232% / 0.04523206
35.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
22.4 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
20.2 Hungary_LN_Tisza
8.2 Germany_DillingenSteinheim_LBK_EN.SG
7.6 GEO_CHG
4.6 Norway_N_HG.SG
0.8 Armenia_Aknashen_N
0.6 Romania_IronGates_Mesolithic

0.16352710 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
0.16352710 France_HautsDeFrance_MN.SG
0.16574585 Spain_EN.SG
0.16574585 Spain_EN.SG
0.17115056 France_MN_1
0.17115056 France_MN_1
0.17229545 France_MN
0.17229545 France_MN
0.17458946 Bulgaria_C
0.17458946 Bulgaria_C
0.17515955 Hungary_Tisza_LN
0.17515955 Hungary_Tisza_LN
0.17631169 Italy_Sicily_EN
0.17631169 Italy_Sicily_EN
0.17647329 Turkey_Boncuklu_N.SG
0.17652401 Hungary_LN_Tisza
0.17652401 Hungary_LN_Tisza
0.17922702 Turkey_Boncuklu_N
0.18874334 Germany_EssenbachAmmerbreite_LBK_EN.SG
0.18874334 Germany_EssenbachAmmerbreite_LBK_EN.SG
0.19253737 Spain_EN
0.19253737 Spain_EN
0.19306765 Turkey_Kumtepe_N.SG
0.19432283 Germany_Herxheim_LBK_EN.SG
0.19432283 Germany_Herxheim_LBK_EN.SG