No Iberian in Iberomaurusian

[Gallop]

https://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2018/04/no-iberian-in-iberomaurusian.html

Alternative names

Because the name of the Iberomaurusian implies Afro-European cultural contact now generally discounted, researchers have proposed other names:

Mouillian or Mouillan, based on the site of La Mouillah (Goetz 1945–6).
The Oranian, based on the Algerian region of Oran (Breuil 1930, Gobert et al. 1932, McBurney 1967, Barker et al. 2012).
The Late Upper Palaeolithic (of Northwest African facies, Barton et al. 2005).

[Gallop]

https://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2018/04/no-iberian-in-iberomaurusian.html

Alternative names

Because the name of the Iberomaurusian implies Afro-European cultural contact now generally discounted, researchers have proposed other names:

Mouillian or Mouillan, based on the site of La Mouillah (Goetz 1945–6).
The Oranian, based on the Algerian region of Oran (Breuil 1930, Gobert et al. 1932, McBurney 1967, Barker et al. 2012).
The Late Upper Palaeolithic (of Northwest African facies, Barton et al. 2005).


I really became aware of all this lie when I myself did not get any snp in common with the Tarofalt samples in Gedmatch, and yet in G25 there was always this 4% of the wrongly called Iberomaurusian; although there were 3000 samples in the calculator, even 3000 modern samples.

[Sunil]

Accurate map?

https://i.postimg.cc/1zTR04c1/7agfe9s9g9261.png

[Gallop]

My own results, not a single snp shared with Tarofalt.

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh1kc6ql2dSFpUMWf5vyAVUHFyvQmZWHjaOqwwmyvnobK XMcBOhuxiY19DPapWpQNzgNr_Yj8o2qZNsPy2ZJFnWbXRNO5V8 88aYUhUaj2_MezhkcF2CiyBji_lCdopQB5y_MJAj1ecWVlE/s1600/TaforaltZ254661.jpeg
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https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgcu1k_sPetFMlewqK8_Cncngv7kPcfZw9uFPkDRX1E1D LbVx5fkUS_kj5zEJB_QR7cfMiCvdxGZ5Jkol-We43pUzS9KuQ273tLja5xyD0O4bpDzDJIBwx4dj5WUJ885lTcj Ee60sO5tPQ/s1600/Tarofalt4Z021633.jpeg
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiEtG0kW-I6bcyC7e66xmHCUpNZtuWRHKCLeEskIRTI0wVbHRKgvU2qTTq-Hxe8skH4p4inyHRDNsYgS9SLTgflW83yhc3NjQm5UqeTtjKE-3fz5KwpowtqABNwM1zb9YRvRSu4P8wJ8j0/s1600/Tarofalt5Z554001.JPEG
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However, I can randomly choose another old sample where I do get a result:

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEguq5sdr_usz9I6L1mS3SLCj9jxHGeX8xuKOkAgOhD2qo ltP0VLPswIAElTrLTn58O3QIuwp96c5-3eFabzDzW5nRbdDfGgGQhQ_QY78Eo7wT1dF_kjz3Z81CWxh_ff XvSsxtfJqS8MpU0/s1600/PolandHunter-GathererN22.jpeg

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh1u8oCxgXICmdkFBZt5mPm2-LSdyI2EOM8HYEZRXP2zSLayO3qFQjuJFD2Mmw1m5Nlv9vO1e0-emeeAKeQAhm17Yyowc70dz79db6vnQF0VZcktslMzRcRFgnUcH picUXT4CN-KWzlBAc/s1600/R1ProtovillanoviaMartinsicuro.jpeg

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg_hTqRwSj-9N4G34lxhMzWuRN0chhk7Zyw3EJzJ9NIFfkIVVHkRDRyhTQggo cSjah7Cg8L8JuC9HWTA3mZguBtsrgFxPVyiFxk0Vj8li3qgwIk OukQXZ2gyZnVqaEtBhdsw6ra623cuzI/s1600/kOSTENKiRusia.jpeg

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh3pagC-fDd3PHuwWfHg0XYLsZoiR1KaPNP1fCuKCP1laeOidECQASSaVN Lu9BzfI1mvZOqRfhWJJcMeIkRf7jebsvLZtGtSVoOzJtAiWjD4 a1_2L8BeGPV3h7CXCyFARFrScxVX5BKsLA/s640/Ust-IshimSiberia.jpeg

And I could go on...

The evidence speaks for itself and the University of Granada is really to be congratulated, so let's hope they continue to publish genetic studies because they really are professionals.

[Gallop]

Accurate map?

https://i.postimg.cc/1zTR04c1/7agfe9s9g9261.png

This is explained in the study by the University of Granada (Andalusia)

Researchers from the University of Granada (UGR), belonging to the Laboratory of Genetic Identification, have discovered that the DNA of the Y chromosome of populations in the south of the Iberian Peninsula (Granada, Malaga and Almeria) has a very low component of North African DNA, similar to that found in other parts of Spain and other Mediterranean countries.

https://canal.ugr.es/noticia/poblacion-sur-peninsula-iberica-apenas-tiene-adn-africano/

[Upsilander]

Accurate map?

https://i.postimg.cc/1zTR04c1/7agfe9s9g9261.png

Seems like you can divide Iberia in 3 parts with that. The heavily Basque area + Baleares which has pretty much no contribuion, then on the other end the Portugueses + a good half of Galicia with the most of it. Then everything else in between which is mostly similar, yes including Andalusia :D

With a clear NE to SW gradient.

[geneticmarker]

Seems like you can divide Iberia in 3 parts with that. The heavily Basque area + Baleares which has pretty much no contribuion, then on the other end the Portugueses + a good half of Galicia with the most of it. Then everything else in between which is mostly similar, yes including Andalusia :D

With a clear NE to SW gradient.

he is just sending a bunch of random data to make us believe that he has nothing to do with Africa, he thinks he has no Berber admixture, this is very sad because he wants to deny his own origins in any way

[Sunil]

Seems like you can divide Iberia in 3 parts with that. The heavily Basque area + Baleares which has pretty much no contribuion, then on the other end the Portugueses + a good half of Galicia with the most of it. Then everything else in between which is mostly similar, yes including Andalusia :D

With a clear NE to SW gradient.

4 parts also make sense

1. Basque part (almost zero Nafri)
2. Catalan part (slightly Nafri)
3. Spaniard part (more Nafri)
4. Portuguese-Galician part (most Nafri)

[R1b-L51]

I really became aware of all this lie when I myself did not get any snp in common with the Tarofalt samples in Gedmatch, and yet in G25 there was always this 4% of the wrongly called Iberomaurusian; although there were 3000 samples in the calculator, even 3000 modern samples.

Cuando Gallop tiene razón la tiene...

[R1b-L51]

he is just sending a bunch of random data to make us believe that he has nothing to do with Africa, he thinks he has no Berber admixture, this is very sad because he wants to deny his own origins in any way

You see, we Hispaniards have a North African mixture, but I wouldn't put it as Taforalt (almost Sub-Saharan) but rather as mixtures from the Bronze Age, where African tribes converged, quite similar to the pre-Celts of Hispania... but it has already been established for a long time. without debate that every haplogroup E is African, when in reality it is possible that there are more E in central Europe or France than in Spain/Portugal. In fact, red-haired Thracians/Bulgarians are one of the groups with the most E. In my humble opinion, much more study should be done.

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