UKR147 Saltiv Bulgar on G25

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Old Great Bulgaria was a 7th-century Turkic nomadic empire formed by the Onogur-Bulgars on the western Pontic–Caspian steppe. Great Bulgaria was originally centered between the Dniester and lower Volga.

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Saltovo-Mayaki is the name given by archaeologists to the early medieval culture of the Pontic steppe region roughly between the Don and the Dnieper Rivers, flourishing roughly between the years of 700 and 950. The culture was a melting pot of Onogur, Khazar, Magyar and Alan influences.

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Giudjenov_Kubrat_and_his_sons.jpg/1200px-Giudjenov_Kubrat_and_his_sons.jpg
UKR147, Bulgar

Y-DNA: R-Y178665 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y178665/)
mtDNA: D4 (https://www.yfull.com/mtree/D4/)
Period: Khazar
Age: 683 — 883 CE
Region: Bochkove, Kharkiv


UKR147. Bochkove, burial 6. An inhumation in a ledge-pit with a niche. The bottom of the burial pit was found at a depth of 1.6–1.65 m. The burial contained the skeleton of an adult male (height 1.55 m), lying stretched out on his back with his head to the northwest. The bone preservation was good. Foot bones were absent in situ, but were found in the filling above the left elbow. The left leg was turned outward. The right arm lay along the body with the palm facing up. Beneath the right forearm, a long iron knife in a wooden sheath and an iron awl with remains of a wooden handle and sheath were found.

There were no other burial goods. Chronology according to archaeology: 9th с. CE. Chronology according 14C dating: 683–883 cal CE (1232±27BP).

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https://i.ibb.co/x3hg6cm/IMG-20241022-153958.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/dKjLDq5/IMG-20241022-154022.jpg

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https://i.ibb.co/Rbd5SQn/IMG-20241022-155557.png

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He's likely a Black Bulgar (probable ancestors of Karachay-Balkars & Kumyks)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/5/56/Черные_Булгары.JPG

The Black Bulgars were a nomadic people, part of the Bulgar tribes that emerged after the collapse of Great Bulgaria in the second half of the 7th century. They were the descendants of the Bulgars of Kubrat's eldest son, Batbayan. They lived in the Kuban region, and according to other estimates, in the area between the Dnieper and Don.
Source: Чёрные булгары (https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D1%91%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B1%D1%83% D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8B)

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R-Y178665 / R-FT125131 is widely distributed in the Caucasus among the Circassians/Adyghe-Abkhaz people. It is also found among the Balkars and Chechens.

https://i.ibb.co/Fwzs5DD/IMG-20241022-160246.jpg

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R-Y178665 / R-FT125131 is widely distributed in the Caucasus among the Circassians/Adyghe-Abkhaz people.

Turkic/Bulgar ancestry is very significant in Circassians.
(This average includes Abazins, Kabardins and West Adyghe tribes)
https://i.ibb.co/XYHFXfn/IMG-20241022-162210.jpg

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https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTloSBpm5p4rOmVPg-d9by4av9JQTw26SXRcSv3-ZSeJ7EtgkRzj7Ap-4C-&s=10
Kubrat
Founder of: Old Great Bulgaria

Son 1: Batbayan
Modern Descendants: Karachay-Balkars, Kumyks

Son 2: Kotrag
Founder of: Volga Bulgaria, Magna Hungaria
Historical Descendants: Volga Bulgars, Burtas, Old Hungarians/Magyars
Modern Descendants: Volga Tatars, Bashkirs

Son 3: *****ukh
Founder of: First Bulgarian Empire
Historical Descendants: Danube Bulgars

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https://i.ibb.co/6XTJMr8/IMG-20241022-205441.jpg

A Volga Tatar is also found under this clade, which again confirms its Bulgar origin.

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Other Bulgar from the Saltovo-Mayaki culture: UKR135 Saltiv Bulgar on G25 (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?389354-UKR135-Saltiv-Bulgar-on-G25)

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Kubrat
Founder of: Old Great Bulgaria

Son 1: Batbayan
Modern Descendants: Karachay-Balkars, Kumyks

Son 2: Kotrag
Founder of: Volga Bulgaria, Magna Hungaria
Historical Descendants: Volga Bulgars, Burtas, Old Hungarians/Magyars
Modern Descendants: Volga Tatars, Bashkirs

Son 3: *****ukh
Founder of: First Bulgarian Empire
Historical Descendants: Danube Bulgars
Yet somehow none of the alleged descendants speak a Bulgar-descended language. They're all Kypchak Turkics.

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Yet somehow none of the alleged descendants speak a Bulgar-descended language. They're all Kypchak Turkics.

Kipchak was the lingua-franca of the Steppe since Mongol times.

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Average of Saltiv Bulgars
https://i.ibb.co/5x9Lkns/IMG-20241026-174559.jpg

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R-Y178665 / R-FT125131 is widely distributed in the Caucasus among the Circassians/Adyghe-Abkhaz people.

Other Bulgar/Turkic Y-lineages in Circassians

Karachay-Balkar Bulgars
https://yfull.com/tree/C-Y11990/
https://yfull.com/tree/J-BY114993/
https://yfull.com/tree/N-PH1896/
https://yfull.com/tree/Q-BZ663/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y38987/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-YP5937/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y57/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-YP451/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y91288/

Northern Bulgars/Volga Tatars
https://yfull.com/tree/R-S23592/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y38802/

Kuban Nogais
https://yfull.com/tree/C-Y4464/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y213768/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y14051/

Oghuz
https://yfull.com/tree/N-VL73/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y81296/

Unknown origin
https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y40719/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y210364/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y286321/