Should Russia join NATO?

[Joe McCarthy]

I'm interested in having a discussion as to whether Russia should become part of the Atlantic alliance, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. I'm also interested in discussing the mechanics of how this would be done, how it could be made possible, in other words. In essence such a move would formalize a military alliance between the US and Russia thus making the two countries allies.

As unlikely as this idea may seem under the rule of Vladimir Putin it is a very possible option. After the collapse of the USSR Russia floated the idea in a meeting with Western governments of joining NATO.

Lastly, please no 'Europe from Dublin to the Urals-kick the evil Americans out and align with Russia' stuff. Save that for another thread. Thanks.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Sounds like a good idea to me, if we are going to keep NATO going as a concern. The US and Russia are the strongest European nations.

[TheBorrebyViking]

If it wanted to, sure. But I would love for Russia to have a party like the Slavic Union(of course not the SU as it's banned though, some similar by a different name) come to power.

[Joe McCarthy]

Sounds like a good idea to me, if we are going to keep NATO going as a concern. The US and Russia are the strongest European nations.

If Russia doesn't join the practical alternative will likely be Russia moving closer to China, which is bad for all of us. Another alternative is European NATO members moving closer to Russia if we leave. That's not good either.

[Flintlocke]

Americani a casa, compagni nella steppa

[zack]

America is not a European nation,how the fuck can anyone say that when a black man is in the white house? We used to be,now we are not.

[Waidewut]

Even if Russia would lose Putin and become a democratic nation it wouldn't be in NATOs' and the USs' interests to include Russia in the alliance. Russia, with 140 million inhabitants, is a military block by itself, thus it being part of NATO could cause inner break-up, because the US would no longer be the only military superpower in the alliance.

[Padre Organtino]

I can only see this happening if the China grows too strong. Right now Russians can do on their own.

[RoyBatty]

No, Russia should not join USA's mongrel CFR attack force known as "NATO". European countries should throw off the shackles of Zionist NATO imprisonment.

A united Russia and China standing together against ZOG would be infinitely preferable.

[Joe McCarthy]

A united Russia and China standing together against ZOG would be infinitely preferable.

Yes, nothing says European preservation like a strong China.

This is the sort of stuff that gets you put on our nuke target list.

[Saruman]

Yes, nothing says European preservation like a strong China.

This is the sort of stuff that gets you put on our nuke target list.

Chinese supreme race, the Northern Sinid, has qualities, it can be highly progressive by anthropological terms. What we need primarily is these racial realities be respected, if some forces in China want to respect these rules, cooperation with such Chinese is a possibility for their counterparts in Europe as opposed to deniers of anthropological reality that are rampant in the west and at the moment supported by Anglo-Jewish plutocracy. Their world is the world of degeneracy where quality is forced to reduce itself in number so that a tiny minority can rule masses of mongrelized and low level individuals easily, it's no society of higher ideals and no society of highest possible achievements. For as long that is the course of Western Plutocracy it is the enemy of European and any other progressive civilization.
What happens when traders and speculators are allowed to run rampant, especially if they are organized on certain basis...

[Joe McCarthy]

I suppose if one adheres to a grand conspiracy of an evil axis against the European yeomanry led by Jewish and Anglo-Saxon financiers a treasonous reaching to Asiatic Communists looks like an attractive possibility. The reality though is that China cares not a whit for the concerns of European fascists. Like all, similar Asian-European relationships in history where Asians have been in a position of strength, it won't be fun for Europeans. And this time Europe won't have the US to come to its rescue...

[RoyBatty]

USA didn't rescue Europe, it enslaved Europe for ZOG Banking interests. You're actually trying to tell us that we should come running to you in order to enslave us even further Joe? Having a laugh???? :D

Go home... stay there. Chew hamburger and blow bubbles.

[Der Steinadler]

why would anyone want to work for the jews ?

[Saruman]

I suppose if one adheres to a grand conspiracy of an evil axis against the European yeomanry led by Jewish and Anglo-Saxon financiers a treasonous reaching to Asiatic Communists looks like an attractive possibility.

LOL betraying traitors is a "treason", since when? Communists? Communism is dead.
Communists Joe? Ah anyone who doesn't adhere to Mr.Rothschild's circles rules is an "evil communist". You wine like this master of master of master of master of master of your master.:D He thinks there are "problems" in China, it seems some Chinese are well aware of his machinations and how would "rule changes" enable the octopus to spread itself.
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The reality though is that China cares not a whit for the concerns of European fascists. Like all, similar Asian-European relationships in history where Asians have been in a position of strength, it won't be fun for Europeans. And this time Europe won't have the US to come to its rescue...

Europe? America has far more to fear from China than Europe proper, except Russia, still even so Russia could cooperate nicely with China.
I agree that historically Europe had tense relations with asians but those usually were with crude primitive savage Mongols, quite unlike the Japanese and higher cultured Northern Chinese.

[Äike]

If Russia stops threatening other NATO members and gives back occupied territory to NATO members, then why not?

[Joe McCarthy]

I agree that historically Europe had tense relations with asians but those usually were with crude primitive savage Mongols, quite unlike the Japanese and higher cultured Northern Chinese.

Europe has had plenty of conflict with Japan and China and in China's case they bear a strong grievance over getting pwned, particularly by the British but also by the French. I dare say nefarious banking conspiracies will look pretty paltry once they come looking for payback.

[Hevneren]

Sounds like a good idea to me, if we are going to keep NATO going as a concern. The US and Russia are the strongest European nations.

Uh, the US isn't in Europe. :confused:

[Hevneren]

America is not a European nation,how the fuck can anyone say that when a black man is in the white house? We used to be,now we are not.


You've never been a European nation. :rolleyes2:

[Hevneren]

No, I don't want Russia to join NATO. I don't trust them now, and I wouldn't trust them to be a NATO ally. I'd rather we disbanded NATO anyway.

[Äike]

If Russia stops threatening other NATO members and gives back occupied territory to NATO members, then why not?

I forgot to mention that this is never going to happen. :p

Russia has a goal to restore its former glory and Putin has said on numerous occasions: "The collapse of the USSR was the biggest catastrophe in the 20th century."

Why did countries like Estonia join the NATO? Because we don't want to suffer the same fate as Georgia, who was attacked by Russia in 2008.

[Joe McCarthy]

No, I don't want Russia to join NATO. I don't trust them now, and I wouldn't trust them to be a NATO ally. I'd rather we disbanded NATO anyway.

A strange perspective colored by prideful provincialism. If Russia is both not to be trusted but yet NATO is also to be disbanded who is going to ensure that Norway doesn't end up Russia's bitch?

[Der Steinadler]

I'm interested in having a discussion as to whether Russia should become part of the Atlantic alliance, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. I'm also interested in discussing the mechanics of how this would be done, how it could be made possible, in other words. In essence such a move would formalize a military alliance between the US and Russia thus making the two countries allies.

As unlikely as this idea may seem under the rule of Vladimir Putin it is a very possible option. After the collapse of the USSR Russia floated the idea in a meeting with Western governments of joining NATO.

Lastly, please no 'Europe from Dublin to the Urals-kick the evil Americans out and align with Russia' stuff. Save that for another thread. Thanks.

Joe, the thing about NATO is that - once its completed wrecking the mid-east - it will be be disbanded.

So you may as well forget 'future expansion'.

[ikki]

russia had all kinds of ideas at the crash, like handing back karelia etc.. intrestingly enough zhirinovski is going for the same now.
will putin even survive the storm over stuffed ballotboxes. Does it even matter if he survives?

I mean china is coming and they are coming fast. esp with those mach 20, range 2000km ballistic "missiles" (no warhead), especially designed to sink carriers. Meanwhile china is headed to the moon, while obamas nasa is busy making muslims feel good about their scientific advancement 1000 years ago. Moon scrapped, mars scrapped and nasa doesn't even have any space-launch capabilities anymore..!!

Meanwhile the rawmaterials markets are still in the us, so it will be one hell of a storm..

[Joe McCarthy]

I forgot to mention that this is never going to happen. :p

Russia has a goal to restore its former glory and Putin has said on numerous occasions: "The collapse of the USSR was the biggest catastrophe in the 20th century."

Why did countries like Estonia join the NATO? Because we don't want to suffer the same fate as Georgia, who was attacked by Russia in 2008.

It won't happen as long as the neo-Soviet Putinists rule Russia you mean.

Getting rid of Putin though is almost certainly one of the pre-conditions for Russia joining NATO. Even a more pliable Russian leader may demand that several current NATO members, such as Estonia, be kicked out before Russia comes in. Turkey would likely have to be removed as well.

[Padre Organtino]

It won't happen as long as the neo-Soviet Putinists rule Russia you mean.

Getting rid of Putin though is almost certainly one of the pre-conditions for Russia joining NATO. Even a more pliable Russian leader may demand that several current NATO members, such as Estonia, be kicked out before Russia comes in. Turkey would likely have to be removed as well.

Another condition is that Cold War relicts like McCain don't come to power in US. Not that Obama is any better, obviously.

[Äike]

It won't happen as long as the neo-Soviet Putinists rule Russia you mean.

Getting rid of Putin though is almost certainly one of the pre-conditions for Russia joining NATO. Even a more pliable Russian leader may demand that several current NATO members, such as Estonia, be kicked out before Russia comes in. Turkey would likely have to be removed as well.

That is never going to happen. Kicking out Estonia would make the NATO a meaningless organization.

Post 1991, NATO has taken the task to protect the ex-Soviet independent countries from Russian imperialism/expansion.

[ikki]

It won't happen as long as the neo-Soviet Putinists rule Russia you mean.

Getting rid of Putin though is almost certainly one of the pre-conditions for Russia joining NATO. Even a more pliable Russian leader may demand that several current NATO members, such as Estonia, be kicked out before Russia comes in. Turkey would likely have to be removed as well.

russia has always been based on client relationships, not rule of law or anything like that. Kicking out putin would be like replacing one mubarrak hanpicked by the military with another thats exactly the same.

Either that, or clean out the entire business, govermental, militaru and political elite, some 10-20 million people. Which would also mean a total economic collapse, since they are the educated ones and the ones owning all the methods of production and other assets. Or even trained how to use them!

[Arrow Cross]

No. The NATO will disband alongside the EU soon enough. European integration and cooperation need to happen on a connationalist basis, not on the banks and backs of Goldman Sucks and immigrunts from Niggeria and Turdmenistan.

[Joe McCarthy]

That is never going to happen. Kicking out Estonia would make the NATO a meaningless organization.

Post 1991, NATO has taken the task to protect the ex-Soviet independent countries from Russian imperialism/expansion.

There was a great deal of opposition in the US to moving NATO into the former Soviet sphere of influence because it ruined the prospects for a US-Russia alliance. The great threat from the East is now China, and increasingly it'll become a threat to both Russia and the US. What will Estonia mean to the US when faced with that proposition?

[Olika]

I think Russia should not join NATO!I know in Russia hate NATO.

[Joe McCarthy]

No. The NATO will disband alongside the EU soon enough. European integration and cooperation need to happen on a connationalist basis, not on the banks and backs of Goldman Sucks and immigrunts from Niggeria and Turdmenistan.

NATO, a military alliance, has nothing to do with immigration policy, except in so far as NATO members take in refugees from Afghanistan, which they, and non-NATO members like Sweden that also take them, don't have to take anyway.

[Äike]

There was a great deal of opposition in the US to moving NATO into the former Soviet sphere of influence because it ruined the prospects for a US-Russia alliance. The great threat from the East is now China, and increasingly it'll become a threat to both Russia and the US. What will Estonia mean to the US when faced with that proposition?

Russia is still a threat and is becoming stronger again.

Haven't you heard that Russia is forming something similar to the EU (but with Russian dictatorship) from the former USSR countries? It's called the Eurasian union.

Russia also has good relations with China.

In the future there will probably 2-3 factions:

1. NATO
2. Eurasian union(Russia) and China

or

3. China alone

[Joe McCarthy]

Russia is still a threat and is becoming stronger again.

Haven't you heard that Russia is forming something similar to the EU (but with Russian dictatorship) from the former USSR countries? It's called the Eurasian union.

Russia also has good relations with China.

In the future there will probably 2-3 factions:

1. NATO
2. Eurasian union(Russia) and China

or

3. China alone

All I can say is that Estonia and a few other countries better hope the US and Russia keep hating each other. China better hope the same...

[Olika]

I forgot to mention that this is never going to happen. :p

Russia has a goal to restore its former glory and Putin has said on numerous occasions: "The collapse of the USSR was the biggest catastrophe in the 20th century."

Why did countries like Estonia join the NATO? Because we don't want to suffer the same fate as Georgia, who was attacked by Russia in 2008.
yes you with your Estonian soldiers...actually better to use the help of NATO.

[RoyBatty]

Feed Estonia to the sharks, irrelevant nation of pissants and whiners.

Norway is currently ZOG / USA's bitch. Norway would be much better off in a united and well armed Scandinavian block which serves Scandinavian interests, not that of Eastern Europe, the UK, Israel or the USA.

North Western Europe would be much better off organising itself into a common interests blocks without Polacks and Southerners. Ditto for the Eastern European and Balkan countries.

The cultures, interests and languages are more similar.

WHAT NONE OF THESE GROUPS NEED IS TO HAVE THE ZOG USA SHOVE THEM AROUND AND TELL THEM WHAT THEY OUGHT TO BE DOING. We don't want your USA mudculture and multikult disease. We don't want your endless wars for profits or to be used by you for your military adventures.

GET OUT. Take the Estonians with you!

[zack]

What does russia get out of this alliance? Nato is pretty defunct now anyways...

[Äike]

I think Russia should not join NATO!I know in Russia hate NATO.

Exactly my point. Russia hates the civilized 1st world.


All I can say is that Estonia and a few other countries better hope the US and Russia keep hating each other. China better hope the same...

All I can say that you don't know what you are talking about, nothing at all.

Would the US have allied with the USSR if a 3rd world power would have emerged? The answer is, never.

Almost all of Russia's leadership are ex-Commies, who were in prominent positions in the USSR. Putin is a KGB guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGNo6H16rDU

[Padre Organtino]

Feed Estonia to the sharks, irrelevant nation of pissants and whiners.

Norway is currently ZOG / USA's bitch. Norway would be much better off in a united and well armed Scandinavian block which serves Scandinavian interests, not that of Eastern Europe, the UK, Israel or the USA.

North Western Europe would be much better off organising itself into a common interests blocks without Polacks and Southerners. Ditto for the Eastern European and Balkan countries.

The cultures, interests and languages are more similar.

WHAT NONE OF THESE GROUPS NEED IS TO HAVE THE ZOG USA SHOVE THEM AROUND AND TELL THEM WHAT THEY OUGHT TO BE DOING. We don't want your USA mudculture and multikult disease. We don't want your endless wars for profits or to be used by you for your military adventures.

GET OUT. Take the Estonians with you!

Are you like 15 years old, lol?

[Olika]

Exactly my point. Russia hates the civilized 1st world.



All I can say that you don't know what you are talking about, nothing at all.

Would the US have allied with the USSR if a 3rd world power would have emerged? The answer is, never.

Almost all of Russia's leadership are ex-Commies, who were in prominent positions in the USSR. Putin is a KGB guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGNo6H16rDU
NATO hate not only in Russia but also abroad.
Russia always itself will protect themselves as opposed to you.

[Joe McCarthy]

Feed Estonia to the sharks, irrelevant nation of pissants and whiners.

Norway is currently ZOG / USA's bitch. Norway would be much better off in a united and well armed Scandinavian block which serves Scandinavian interests, not that of Eastern Europe, the UK, Israel or the USA.

North Western Europe would be much better off organising itself into a common interests blocks without Polacks and Southerners. Ditto for the Eastern European and Balkan countries.

The cultures, interests and languages are more similar.

LOL. You've just proposed that Scandinavia, a region with less than 20 million people, defend itself from the second greatest military power on earth which will only get stronger in coming years. I'm sure the Russians greatly fear the emerging powerhouses of the Benelux organizing themselves too. LOL! The Western Europeans asked the US to form NATO in the first place because they couldn't defend themselves from Russia. Now you propose that Bulgaria, Romania, and other countries hold off the Russian bear in various ineffective military blocs.

This is your brain on anti-American lunacy. :p

[Olika]

LOL. You've just proposed that Scandinavia, a region with less than 20 million people, defend itself from the second greatest military power on earth which will only get stronger in coming years. I'm sure the Russians greatly fear the emerging powerhouses of the Benelux organizing themselves too. LOL! The Western Europeans asked the US to form NATO in the first place because they couldn't defend themselves from Russia. Now you propose that Bulgaria, Romania, and other countries hold off the Russian bear in various ineffective military blocs.

This is your brain on anti-American lunacy. :p
I'm bad girl I anti-American in politics)) :icon_redface:

[Äike]

NATO hate not only in Russia but also abroad.
Russia always itself will protect themselves as opposed to you.

NATO wants to protect itself from Russia, while Russia is developing new missiles and increasing its military power to restore the empire that was lost in 1991.

[Joe McCarthy]

Would the US have allied with the USSR if a 3rd world power would have emerged? The answer is, never.


The US DID align with the USSR to stop a common foe, Nazi Germany, which was striving toward hegemony which would have threatened us.

[Unurautare]

USSR wanted to be part of NATO too but it was turned down. There is no point of having NATO if Russia is in it,and if you want to know how Russia behaved with her allies...well better not start on the subject but I'll say that my region suffered more damage from the Russian 'allies' than from the official enemies during World War 1. :laugh:

[Joe McCarthy]

What does russia get out of this alliance? Nato is pretty defunct now anyways...

Protection from China. NATO is transformed from an anti-Russian bloc to an anti-Chinese bloc which does much to unite the major powers of the white world against the Yellow Peril.

[Äike]

The US DID align with the USSR to stop a common foe, Nazi Germany, which was striving toward hegemony which would have threatened us.

Back then, the Western powers thought that the USSR had different goals.

For instance, Churchill and Roosevelt demanded that after the war, a referendum will be held in the Baltic countries, asking the people if they want to belong into the USSR or not. The answer would have been obvious, thus it never happened.

the USSR didn't liberate half of Europe from Nazi Germay, it occupied half of europe. The Western Allies, liberated France, half of Germany, Italy, Austria, Belgium, Holland, Norway etc. and didn't occupy them.

After WW2, it was obvious that the USSR just made pact with the Nazis to gain more territory.

[Olika]

NATO wants to protect itself from Russia, while Russia is developing new missiles and increasing its military power to restore the empire that was lost in 1991.
Well done guys ;) closer to friends so to speak missiles soon will be placed in Kaliningrad.

[Äike]

Well done guys ;) closer to friends so to speak missiles soon will be placed in Kaliningrad.

Russia is a hellhole where all the resources go to developing its military might, while the common people live in absolute poverty or have to flee the country (like you, as you are an immigrant in Germany).

[Hess]

To answer the question, no. No one should join NATO, and NATO itself should be disbanded ASAP.

[Hess]

Russia is a hellhole where all the resources go to developing its military might, while the common people live in absolute poverty or have to flee the country (like you, as you are an immigrant in Germany).

I'm sorry that you have such a wrong, negative view of Russia, mate.

[Äike]

I'm sorry that you have such a wrong, negative view of Russia, mate.

Russia is a very poor country, while only a small portion of the entire population is very rich. The middle class is small.

The average life expectancy in Russia is very low and that's all I have to say to prove my words.

[Olika]

Back then, the Western powers thought that the USSR had different goals.

For instance, Churchill and Roosevelt demanded that after the war, a referendum will be held in the Baltic countries, asking the people if they want to belong into the USSR or not. The answer would have been obvious, thus it never happened.

the USSR didn't liberate half of Europe from Nazi Germay, it occupied half of europe. The Western Allies, liberated France, half of Germany, Italy, Austria, Belgium, Holland, Norway etc. and didn't occupy them.

After WW2, it was obvious that the USSR just made pact with the Nazis to gain more territory.
the USSR liberate half of Europe from Nazi Germany.
We all know that you Estonians spits in the face of his Estonian veterans of the World War II.shame you Estonians for it!

[Olika]

Russia is a hellhole where all the resources go to developing its military might, while the common people live in absolute poverty or have to flee the country (like you, as you are an immigrant in Germany).
Yes, I live in Germany but I am a citizen of Russia.I soon will come back to Russia.you do not worry.

[Äike]

the USSR liberate half of Europe from Nazi Germany.
We all know that you Estonians spits in the face of his Estonian veterans of the World War II.shame you Estonians for it!

You're an idiot an represent a typical brainwashed Russian who's just like a mindless sheep.

Hey, the Soviet Union occupied Estonia BEFORE Germany. The USSR occupied the independent republic of Estonia. Then they sent women and children to Siberia.

Would you bring flowers to the soldiers who occupied your country and did genocide on your people? I doubt it.

No go be dumb elsewhere.

The USSR occupied half of Europe, not liberated.

[Joe McCarthy]

Back then, the Western powers thought that the USSR had different goals.

For instance, Churchill and Roosevelt demanded that after the war, a referendum will be held in the Baltic countries, asking the people if they want to belong into the USSR or not. The answer would have been obvious, thus it never happened.

the USSR didn't liberate half of Europe from Nazi Germay, it occupied half of europe. The Western Allies, liberated France, half of Germany, Italy, Austria, Belgium, Holland, Norway etc. and didn't occupy them.

After WW2, it was obvious that the USSR just made pact with the Nazis to gain more territory.

The US went into an alliance with the Soviet Union knowing very well its aggressive aims of world revolution and its terrors and purges. Putin's Russia, odious as it is, is not Stalinism.

[Äike]

Putin's Russia, odious as it is, is not Stalinism.

Yes, it's Putinism. :p

[Olika]

You're an idiot an represent a typical brainwashed Russian who's just like a mindless sheep.

Hey, the Soviet Union occupied Estonia BEFORE Germany. The USSR occupied the independent republic of Estonia. Then they sent women and children to Siberia.

Would you bring flowers to the soldiers who occupied your country and did genocide on your people? I doubt it.

No go be dumb elsewhere.

The USSR occupied half of Europe, not liberated.
you sheep!your country is like a wh*re gave herself to the West. sorry :coffee:

[Hess]

Russia is a very poor country, while only a small portion of the entire population is very rich. The middle class is small.

The average life expectancy in Russia is very low and that's all I have to say to prove my words.

The situation in Russia is not that different from other Eastern European countries and also some countries in the Balkans. Singling out Russia for problems that 1/3 of Europe is facing is ridiculous.

[Äike]

you sheep!your country is like a wh*re gave herself to the West. sorry :coffee:

Living in a highly developed Western country in Northern-Europe is better than being occupied by Eastern-European Russians. :p


The situation in Russia is not that different from other Eastern European countries and also some countries in the Balkans. Singling out Russia for problems that 1/3 of Europe is facing is ridiculous.

I have never visited Eastern-Europe, but I think that only Belarus and Ukraine are doing worse than Russia.

[Hess]

Living in a highly developed Western country in Northern-Europe is better than being occupied by Eastern-European Russians. :p



I have never visited Eastern-Europe, but I think that only Belarus and Ukraine are doing worse than Russia.

Russia ranks 57th in GDP. Macedonia, Serbia, Bosnia, Romania, Bulgaria, Montenegro, Belarus, Moldova and Ukraine all rank below it. Also Albania and Kosovo, but I don't consider them European.

[Äike]

Russia ranks 57th in GDP. Macedonia, Serbia, Bosnia, Romania, Bulgaria, Montenegro, Belarus, Moldova and Ukraine all rank below it. Also Albania and Kosovo, but I don't consider them European.

Check out the HDI (Human development index)... GDP just shows richness, not quality of life.

Countries like Serbia, Belarus, Bulgaria, Romania are ahead of Russia.

Albania almost has the same HDI as Russia.

Russia is a hellhole.

[Olika]

Living in a highly developed Western country in Northern-Europe is better than being occupied by Eastern-European Russians. :p



I have never visited Eastern-Europe, but I think that only Belarus and Ukraine are doing worse than Russia.
I love my country and I can Karl you throat to gnaw for her!
haha Karl I often forget that you muzhik because on avatar girl and in your posts I didn't notice the men's intellect.

[Der Steinadler]

Check out the HDI (Human development index)... GDP just shows richness, not quality of life.

Countries like Serbia, Belarus, Bulgaria, Romania are ahead of Russia.

Albania almost has the same HDI as Russia.

Russia is a hellhole.

So is the west, and that has the highest (ZOG controlled) UN empirical stat.

[Äike]

I love my country and I can Karl you throat to gnaw for her!
haha Karl I often forget that you muzhik because on avatar girl and in your posts I didn't notice the men's intellect.

I can't understand your English.

[Olika]

I can't understand your English.
this is your problem.

[Waidewut]

:pop2:

[EWtt]

the USSR liberate half of Europe from Nazi Germany.

The USSR divided Europe with Nazi Germany. Declaring a war on Finland and occupying Eastern Poland, also occupying and then annexing the independent republics of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. We were under Soviet occupation before there were any Nazis here. What happened before and after liberation from the Nazis was nothing but brutal Soviet occupation...


We all know that you Estonians spits in the face of his Estonian veterans of the World War II.shame you Estonians for it!

Can one not comprehend why we might think badly of those "liberators"? They took our independence, killed our people, deported them to Siberia in cattle wagons for moronic reasons, brought hundreds of thousands of commie brainwashed Soviet underclass people here to Russify the country, not to mention all kinds of other nonsense.

Now those veterans gather around and yell "we should have killed all Estonians during the war" (that's an actual quote by a glorious liberator), constantly disrespecting Estonians and our country, living here as a fifth column trying to undermine us any way they can. These liberators spat on our country and people for over 50 years, and a number of them and their offspring continue to do so. If they truly were liberators, they would have restored our independence, acted more decently towards our people while being here, and then left for good. Only then we'd be honoring them.

[Olika]

The USSR divided Europe with Nazi Germany. Declaring a war on Finland and occupying Eastern Poland, also occupying and then annexing the independent republics of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. We were under Soviet occupation before there were any Nazis here. What happened before and after liberation from the Nazis was nothing but brutal Soviet occupation...



Can one not comprehend why we might think badly of those "liberators"? They took our independence, killed our people, deported them to Siberia in cattle wagons for moronic reasons, brought hundreds of thousands of commie brainwashed Soviet underclass people here to Russify the country, not to mention all kinds of other nonsense.

Now those veterans gather around and yell "we should have killed all Estonians during the war" (that's an actual quote by a glorious liberator), constantly disrespecting Estonians and our country, living here as a fifth column trying to undermine us any way they can. These liberators spat on our country and people for over 50 years, and a number of them and their offspring continue to do so. If they truly were liberators, they would have restored our independence, acted more decently towards our people while being here, and then left for good. Only then we'd be honoring them.
all of the questions already have answers in previous my posts.

[EWtt]

all of the questions already have answers in previous my posts.

Like this one you gave to Karl?:


you sheep!your country is like a wh*re gave herself to the West. sorry :coffee:

That's indeed a very Russian attitude, one easily expected. We voluntarily joined NATO and EU based on a democratic vote, whether it was a good decision or not. Perhaps indeed one driving force was not to end up as a Russian proxy... Heck, we'd be something like Belarus or one of those Central Asian hellholes if we had remained under Russian domination.

[Olika]

Like this one you gave to Karl?:



That's indeed a very Russian attitude, one easily expected. We voluntarily joined NATO and EU based on a democratic vote, whether it was a good decision or not. Perhaps indeed one driving force was not to end up as a Russian proxy... Heck, we'd be something like Belarus or one of those Central Asian hellholes if we had remained under Russian domination.
Well done you cool,super,best in world and now you leave me alone .

[RoyBatty]

The USSR divided Europe with Nazi Germany. Declaring a war on Finland and occupying Eastern Poland, also occupying and then annexing the independent republics of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

So what? Blame Padre for it. He's Georgian.

[Phil75231]

I voted according to the Russian perspective, given the question implies Russia's appropriate choice in the matter. If it's not in Russia's interest to join, then it shouldn't do so.

Also, Russian history and geography are far too different from Europe's for it to fund lasting common ground with "The West" - at least for the forseeable future.

[Padre Organtino]

So what? Blame Padre for it. He's Georgian.

Dat's a great line, especially considering Stalin is not popular in his homeland.:thumb001:

That said Russians have themselves suffered a lot from Stalinism so in principle they are not to be blamed for his deeds.

[Contra Mundum]

The US should be kicked out of NATO.

Russia should replace the US as a NATO member.

[Ants]

Well done you cool,super,best in world and now you leave me alone .

Are you sure you're 20 years old? I'm asking because you act like you're 10.

[Joe McCarthy]

The US should be kicked out of NATO.

Russia should replace the US as a NATO member.

Western democracies would never agree to being heavily dependent solely on the Russians for military defense. I really wish you anti-Americans would make some effort to deal in the realm of reality at least.

[Rochefaton]

I would prefer that NATO be dismantled, personally. The fact that we are discussing the possibly of Russia, the former greatest threat to the alliance, joining the group tells me the alliance has ran its course.

[Joe McCarthy]

I would prefer that NATO be dismantled, personally. The fact that we are discussing the possibly of Russia, the former greatest threat to the alliance, joining the group tells me the alliance has ran its course.

If it's purpose is to unite the major powers of the white world against China, it has energy like never before.

[Rochefaton]

If it's purpose is to unite the major powers of the white world against China, it has energy like never before.

Then why not form a new organization with a new goal under new terms?

NATO should be a relic of the past. Some member nations may not want to be part of NATO anymore, and some may not like the idea of uniting against an emerging China.

Dismantle the old alliance and form a new one with a new goal and possibly new members.

[LeningradSKY]

Fyk NATzO!

[Joe McCarthy]

Then why not form a new organization with a new goal under new terms?

NATO should be a relic of the past. Some member nations may not want to be part of NATO anymore, and some may not like the idea of uniting against an emerging China.

Dismantle the old alliance and form a new one with a new goal and possibly new members.

Much easier to build on an already existing organization than to create an entirely new one from scratch.

You're right that some members may not wish to participate in an anti-China alliance. But if that becomes the case Russia and the US may be forced to form a separate military bloc apart from Europe, thus leaving them to their own devices. I doubt they'd want to be left out in the cold.

[LeningradSKY]

Here's my post #2

fykin join Russian troops, i.e. paratroopers, othervise....we'll send you all in Kazakhstan bootcamp!

[Joe McCarthy]

Here's my post #2

fykin join Russian troops, i.e. paratroopers, othervise....we'll send you all in Kazakhstan bootcamp!

Methinks your attitude may change in coming years when the PLA is massed on your borders, Comrade. The Soviet Union even went so far as to approach the US to ask non-interference in a Soviet plan to nuke China during the border conflict in 1969, and saw America as a betrayer when we declined to comply. That Russia will look to the US as its natural ally against China can only be the case.

[RoyBatty]

Fyk NATzO!

Excellent post Comrade. Pindoz Pederasts go to hell.

[Osweo]

yGNo6H16rDU

That clip NEVER fails to bring a tear to my eye... :amour101:

[user]

Russia join NATO? facepalm.jpg.
You can imagine the enormous size of its army that went to her after the breakup of the Soviet Union? no?
you've seen ever size of this country? correct question would be:
"Nato join Russia?"

[Joe McCarthy]

Russia join NATO?
you've seen ever size of this country? correct question would be:
"Nato join Russia?"

Europe getting swallowed by Russia would be prevented by US counterweight -at least for the most part. The details of Russia joining would have to be worked out and will both depend on how reasonable the prospective Russian leader is as well as how much he fears China.

[LeningradSKY]

Methinks your attitude may change in coming years when the PLA is massed on your borders, Comrade. The Soviet Union even went so far as to approach the US to ask non-interference in a Soviet plan to nuke China during the border conflict in 1969, and saw America as a betrayer when we declined to comply. That Russia will look to the US as its natural ally against China can only be the case.

Mista! You are s-o-o wrong! In 1969 CCCP used only GRAD BM-21 system that caused pain in chinoz azz. There wasn't any reason to use nukes. Our yellow brothers decided to show us their balls.....we laughed at that by BM-21.

Our yellow bros learned a lesson and they are not anymore our enemy.

[Joe McCarthy]

Mista! You are s-o-o wrong! In 1969 CCCP used only GRAD BM-21 system that caused pain in chinoz azz. There wasn't any reason to use nukes. Our yellow brothers decided to show us their balls.....we laughed at that by BM-21.


USSR planned nuclear attack on China in 1969 (http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/7cgc2o/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7720461/USSR-planned-nuclear-attack-on-China-in-1969.html)


Our yellow bros learned a lesson and they are not anymore our enemy.

That will change soon enough. China bears a historical grievance with Russia (http://www.thevanguard.org/thevanguard/other_writers/wheeler_jack/061102.shtml) over its seizure of much of its territory and teaches its students in textbooks that Russia stole its land. China is your Mexico, except they're ten times larger than you are.

[Gamera]

Like this one you gave to Karl?:



That's indeed a very Russian attitude, one easily expected. We voluntarily joined NATO and EU based on a democratic vote, whether it was a good decision or not. Perhaps indeed one driving force was not to end up as a Russian proxy... Heck, we'd be something like Belarus or one of those Central Asian hellholes if we had remained under Russian domination.

Don't bother, to us who are outside the Russian sphere of influence and actually have a bit of common sense in our heads, can clearly see the enormous wrongdoings of Russians against the Estonian people throughout history, without having some intense debate and indecision inside our heads about it. At least I hope so.

I don't dislike Russians, and Karl might be a bit too much of a russophobe at times, but the Estonians are absolutely right here.

[Peasant]

Beware of the Chinese! Sell your country out to the USA!

[LeningradSKY]

USSR planned nuclear attack on China in 1969 (http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/7cgc2o/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7720461/USSR-planned-nuclear-attack-on-China-in-1969.html)

Bro! Never read British newspapers!



That will change soon enough. China bears a historical grievance with Russia (http://www.thevanguard.org/thevanguard/other_writers/wheeler_jack/061102.shtml) over its seizure of much of its territory and teaches its students in textbooks that Russia stole its land. China is your Mexico, except they're ten times larger than you are.

No credit also... I saw it 10 or 15 years ago.

[W. R.]

Almost all of Russia's leadership are ex-Commies, who were in prominent positions in the USSR. Putin is a KGB guy.They don't have any ideology anymore. It looks like they simply try to steal as much as possible while being in power.

[Padre Organtino]

Most ex-Soviet regimes are similar in nature despite proclaimed differences. You've got to understand that these guys are there mostly for the money, women and power. The fact that Putin thinks of something besides making cash makes him sort of more attractive in my eyes.
That said he's ultimate dream to restore quasi-USSR is idiotic and counterproductive.

[Joe McCarthy]

The fact that Putin thinks of something besides making cash makes him sort of more attractive in my eyes.
That said he's ultimate dream to restore quasi-USSR is idiotic and counterproductive.

Would joining NATO be a better alternative for Russia then? :)

[Padre Organtino]

Would joining NATO be a better alternative for Russia then? :)

Dunno. Russians are sort of very proud guys and any form of such alliance could be seen as "capitulation" by them. On the other hand younger generation does identify itself more with Europeans and White Americans than with folks from former soviet republics (that's at least how it looks to me). So in principle if the Far East indeed rises and China starts being really dangerous (thanks to "cost-cutting" performed by idiots in charge of US corps China is indeed having a very strong and persistent industrial growth) they would see an alliance like this possible and beneficial.
Unlikely to happen while Putin is in charge though. He's stuck in Cold War Era.

[LeningradSKY]

So in principle if the Far East indeed rises and China starts being really dangerous (thanks to "cost-cutting" performed by idiots in charge of US corps China is indeed having a very strong and persistent industrial growth) they would see an alliance like this possible and beneficial.
Unlikely to happen while Putin is in charge though. He's stuck in Cold War Era.

Why I'm not scared? Can you explain to me - to stupid Russian, ex-military?

[Padre Organtino]

Why I'm not scared? Can you explain to me - to stupid Russian, ex-military?

Since you've labeled yourself as "stupid" that may be a possible explanation. As for whether threats from China are real or imaginary - there's no definite answer to it. The only certain thing is that their military and economic potential is growing (despite this they are gonna face a strong economic crisis very soon but that's another story) while Russian has started to rebuild military potential only recently.

[LeningradSKY]

Since you've labeled yourself as "stupid" that may be a possible explanation. As for whether threats from China are real or imaginary - there's no definite answer to it. The only certain thing is that their military and economic potential is growing (despite this they are gonna face a strong economic crisis very soon but that's another story) while Russian has started to rebuild military potential only recently.

Whatta fykin great explanation! Thank you so fykin MUCH, French ! What we will do without a French guys? NOTHING! They know everything about us - stupid peasants! Once they have reached in 1812 (not twice! also in 1941) to Moscow, and now they explain to me what's going on at Russian eastern borders. Thank you for your care.

But have you been in China?

[Olika]

Are you sure you're 20 years old? I'm asking because you act like you're 10.
well that is not 50.

[Radojica]

Should NATO join Russia :coffee:?

[Aces High]

I doubt the Russian military heirarchy relish the thought of sending off their young men to die for zion/israel/zog/NWO/NATO etc..........plus as we have seen through history they can look after themselves quite well when attacked.

[Mordid]

NATO was and is build to fight Russia, so no.

[RoyBatty]

Meanwhile.... on the Estonian border

http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/p/a/partizan74/00_BEAR_PARTIZAN_small.jpg

[Äike]

this is your problem.

You being lowly educated and unintelligent is not my problem.


They don't have any ideology anymore. It looks like they simply try to steal as much as possible while being in power.

That's a typical Russian mentality.


Meanwhile.... on the Estonian border

http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/p/a/partizan74/00_BEAR_PARTIZAN_small.jpg

Here's some artwork by an Estonian artist who fled Estonia in 1944:

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7827/t2ahelaidpurustamas7980.jpg

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2224/t2img0630x.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4199/venekarurichardst7m.jpg

The threat of the barbaric hordes from the east still remains...

[Hess]

You being lowly educated and unintelligent is not my problem.



That's a typical Russian mentality.



Here's some artwork by an Estonian artist who fled Estonia in 1944:

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7827/t2ahelaidpurustamas7980.jpg

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2224/t2img0630x.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4199/venekarurichardst7m.jpg

The threat of the barbaric hordes from the east still remains...


The barbaric hordes from the east are the Ottomans and Mongols, not your fellow Europeans.

[Äike]

The barbaric hordes from the east are the Ottomans and Mongols, not your fellow Europeans.

Russians don't have an European mentality, they act and think like their Mongol-Tatar rulers did 600 years ago.

[Hess]

Russians don't have an European mentality, they act and think like their Mongol-Tatar rulers did 600 years ago.

that's a terrible and shameful thing to say. If Russians don't have a European mentality, then neither does the rest of Eastern Europe.

[Äike]

that's a terrible and shameful thing to say. If Russians don't have a European mentality, then neither does the rest of Eastern Europe.

Eastern-European immigrants create problems everywhere they go, Estonia, England or Italy.

The Russian way of thinking has had such heavy Mongol-Tatar influences, that they are unique.

[Hess]

Eastern-European immigrants create problems everywhere they go, Estonia, England or Italy.

The Russian way of thinking has had such heavy Mongol-Tatar influences, that they are unique.

Poles in England commit much less crime than the non Europeans. If you want to know about the Russian way of thinking, you should read Russian literature, listen to Russian music, and look at Russian art rather than basing your opinion of the Russians in Estonia (who are mostly criminal rabble).

by the way, its interesting that you mentioned Italy and not the infamous and Notorious Italian mafia :rolleyes2:

[Mordid]

Poles in England commit much less crime than the non Europeans.
True, Poles are known for being better immigrants in UK, especially England.

[TheBorrebyViking]

True, Poles are known for being better immigrants in UK, especially England.

At plumbing :rolleyes:

Just joking.

[beaver]

True, Poles are known for being better immigrants in UK, especially England.
Russians are best immigrants to Boston, Silicone walley and the state Washington (but Indians are still better) :)

[Äike]

Poles in England commit much less crime than the non Europeans. If you want to know about the Russian way of thinking, you should read Russian literature, listen to Russian music, and look at Russian art rather than basing your opinion of the Russians in Estonia

I have lived among Russians for all my life, I know them very well.


(who are mostly criminal rabble).

That's not true at all. The absolute majority of them are normal Russian people and don't differ from the Russians in Russia.

but "normal Russian" isn't a good thing in European standards.

[Mordid]

I have lived among Russians for all my life, I know them very well.
Please don't associate us with Russians..

[Äike]

Please don't associate us with Russians..

I know that Poles are different from Russians. :p

[Hess]

I have lived among Russians for all my life, I know them very well.

If you really believe that Russians have a "tatar-mongol" mentality, that can only mean that you don't know them at all.


That's not true at all. The absolute majority of them are normal Russian people and don't differ from the Russians in Russia.

They differ greatly. The more successful Russian people don't go to Estonia, and that only leaves the miscreants and thugs.


but "normal Russian" isn't a good thing in European standards.

It's not a good thing by bigoted, Russophobic, anti-European standards

[Hevneren]

A strange perspective colored by prideful provincialism. If Russia is both not to be trusted but yet NATO is also to be disbanded who is going to ensure that Norway doesn't end up Russia's bitch?


OK, I'll bite. So, true nationalism these days is simply prideful provincialism?

You'll find that "altruism" is not a common word used in the geopolitical world. Nations such as Russia or the United States will do what's in their best interest. The assumption you're under, however, is that whatever is in the best interest of the US is also in our best interest. This is not only somewhat arrogant, but also quite fallacious.

When posters such as yourself and RoyBatty write about Norway being the "bitch" of Russia or the United States, I'm reminded of how you see us. Indeed, I'm reminded of the ever present reality that people like yourself and RoyBatty speak out of their own interests, and not ours.

Whether you are Russians, Americans or National Socialists of whichever nationality, our destiny is not the same as your destiny. We want to be free from foreign interference. NATO isn't an equal partnership, nor is it a defence alliance anymore. It's become a tool for the US to secure US interests like gas pipelines in Afghanistan, and at the same time setting up strategic bases in the region. The plan was to get NATO to join in the war on Iraq as well, to secure the oil fields there.

[Hevneren]

Feed Estonia to the sharks, irrelevant nation of pissants and whiners.

I'd rather we turned Russia into a giant theme park. They already have a few performers there.


Norway is currently ZOG / USA's bitch. Norway would be much better off in a united and well armed Scandinavian block which serves Scandinavian interests, not that of Eastern Europe, the UK, Israel or the USA.

Is that so? I don't live in your pill induced NS fog, where Jews are everywhere, so I don't buy into Jewspiracies. As for uniting Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, it's been done before and it'll never happen again, at least as long as there are true Norwegian patriots in our nation. That some NS clown would suggest such a despicable thing is certainly no surprise. I'd say we'd rather turn England over to the Irish, the Scots and the Welsh. Or how about you and your ilk keeping your nose out of our business?


North Western Europe would be much better off organising itself into a common interests blocks without Polacks and Southerners. Ditto for the Eastern European and Balkan countries.

Look at the little couch general. :rolleyes2:


The cultures, interests and languages are more similar.

Ah, so you are the one to determine what cultures and languages are similar? I see.


WHAT NONE OF THESE GROUPS NEED IS TO HAVE THE ZOG USA SHOVE THEM AROUND AND TELL THEM WHAT THEY OUGHT TO BE DOING. We don't want your USA mudculture and multikult disease. We don't want your endless wars for profits or to be used by you for your military adventures.

Nor do we want NS drones spreading their ideological disease to our lands like an STD.


GET OUT. Take the Estonians with you!

Naw, you National Socialists can get out. The rest of us true nationalists and patriots are staying.

[Hevneren]

NATO hate not only in Russia but also abroad.
Russia always itself will protect themselves as opposed to you.

Did you protect yourselves in Georgia? :rolleyes:

[Onychodus]

Did you protect yourselves in Georgia? :rolleyes:

yes, the purpose was to protect russian citizens and peacemakers

[beaver]

Did you protect yourselves in Georgia?
The main problem was that Georgians attacked Russian peacemakers (and killed some of them). Then Georgians had a few days to prepare. Then Russian spetsnases/VDV were walking over the all Georgia along with Chechens (Kadyrov's forces). If I (personally) was in in the Georgian Army I would run faster than anyone in the army to Tbilisi, honestly. Without any jokes in this case.

[Padre Organtino]

The main problem was that Georgians attacked Russian peacemakers (and killed some of them). Then Georgians had a few days to prepare. Then Russian spetsnases/VDV were walking over the all Georgia along with Chechens (Kadyrov's forces). If I (personally) was in in the Georgian Army I would run faster than anyone in the army to Tbilisi, honestly. Without any jokes in this case.

Chechens had nothing to do with fighting. The victory was gained with the help of aviation.
As for the war - it started after the afomentioned peacekeepers did not nothing to prevent the shelling of Georgian villages by "rebels". He's still to be blamed for responding to provocations, though.

[beaver]

Chechens had nothing to do with fighting. The victory was gained with the help of aviation.
As for the war - it started after the afomentioned peacekeepers did not nothing to prevent the shelling of Georgian villages by "rebels". He's still to be blamed for responding to provocations, though.
Padre, distribution of Russian passports (in Sukhumi and Tshinvally) was a very bad idea of some idiots in the Kremlin. Now what? :)

[Padre Organtino]

Padre, distribution of Russian passports (in Sukhumi and Tshinvally) was a very bad idea of some idiots in the Kremlin. Now what? :)

Nothing. I don't believe in this conflict being solved quickly. Unless of course Russia succesfully annexes the rest of Georgia or disintegrates. Both are rather unlikely.

[Osweo]

Cancelling the autonomies of Abkhazia and South Ossetia was far stupider. Is Russia supposed to sit back while close relatives of the natives of its volatile southern border are so provoked and insulted? LoL, it's almost as if Saakashvili was acting according to a Russian written script!

[Padre Organtino]

Cancelling the autonomies of Abkhazia and South Ossetia was far stupider. Is Russia supposed to sit back while close relatives of the natives of its volatile southern border are so provoked and insulted? LoL, it's almost as if Saakashvili was acting according to a Russian written script!

In fact Saakashvili was planning to restore the SO autonomy to the dislike of Georgian nationalists. That's why they have found the Osset guy to be their Kadyrov of sorts and funded the public infrastructure works in the region. As for Abkhazia - their autonomy was never denounced and in fact they were proposed confederacy many times but declined the offer (not surprisingly). Now their intellectuals started blaming Georgians for not being sensitive enough and willing to compromise, lol.

Anyway it was a good example of how Putin's decisions are efficient in short term but rather stupid in the long run

[beaver]

Nothing. I don't believe in this conflict being solved quickly. Unless of course Russia succesfully annexes the rest of Georgia or disintegrates. Both are rather unlikely.
Padre, wtf Russia should make something against Georgia finally? I can formulate in some other ways, no problem.

[RoyBatty]

he was going to restore their autonomy.... yeah... after he had done a Gamzakhurdia on the SO's first and replaced them with Georgian Colonists! :D

You're hilarious Goga

[beaver]

Unless of course Russia succesfully annexes the rest of Georgia or disintegrates.
wth Russians have to work in Georgia and annex there something. I cannot understand. Our interests are to disappear from here :)

[Padre Organtino]

wth Russians have to work in Georgia and annex there something. I cannot understand. Our interests are to disappear from here :)

I'm obviously talking about current Russian government and not an average Russian.

[beaver]

I'm obviously talking about current Russian government and not an average Russian.
Padre, we all know who is who here :(

[Padre Organtino]

Padre, we all know who is who here :(

Sadly, Saakashvili is a puppet of ZOG, banksters and CIA narcocartels.:( Also Greek Sodomic Secret Society (these guys are even more powerful than the aforementioned ones). So no hope:mad:

[beaver]

Sadly, Saakashvili is a puppet of ZOG, banksters and CIA narcocartels. Also Greek Sodomic Secret Society (these guys are even more powerful than the aforementioned ones). So no hope
Padre, please let be honest.
1-st variant - Russians first attacked on Georgians (where and when?).
2-nd variant - Mishiko attacked Russian peacemakers (no jokes here)

[Padre Organtino]

Padre, please let be honest.
1-st variant - Russians first attacked on Georgians (where and when?).
2-nd variant - Mishiko attacked Russian peacemakers (no jokes here)

Russian proxies (Ossetians) attacked first. Saakashvili has started full-scale war first, though.

[Padre Organtino]

he was going to restore their autonomy.... yeah... after he had done a Gamzakhurdia on the SO's first and replaced them with Georgian Colonists! :D

You're hilarious Goga

Which colonists? Thanks for compliment, anyway.

[beaver]

Russian proxies (Ossetians) attacked first. Saakashvili has started full-scale war first, though.
Padre, it doesnt matter what there Ossetian partisans do. Georgians shouldnt attack Russian peacemakers (with all documents and all signs). This is what Kremlin could not pass on. Farther - Russian spetsnazes and Chechens (Kadyrov's fighters) over Georgia. I dont like such things.

[Blade]

You being lowly educated and unintelligent is not my problem.



That's a typical Russian mentality.



Here's some artwork by an Estonian artist who fled Estonia in 1944:

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7827/t2ahelaidpurustamas7980.jpg

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2224/t2img0630x.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4199/venekarurichardst7m.jpg

The threat of the barbaric hordes from the east still remains...

I guess these "civilized" Estonians have never heard of animal rights :eek::eek:

[RoyBatty]

Funny homo-erotic "art". That fellow on the white horse looks like he stepped off the stage of an ABBA concert.

The Estonians were the girls of the old USSR armed forces. Always getting beaten up because they are such weaklings.

The Latvians on the other hand were feared and respected and were not to be trifled with.

[Joe McCarthy]

If you really believe that Russians have a "tatar-mongol" mentality, that can only mean that you don't know them at all.


Well, Russia WAS under the Tatar yoke for over 200 years and it undoubtably left a strong impression. One of the criticisms of the Mongol legacy is commonly that they stunted Russian society.

This mentality though has modern applications even today. The Eurasianism of Vladimir Putin is rooted in the Eurasian and neo-Eurasian ideologies of Dugin and likeminded anti-Western fanatics. These people are marinated in a view of history that sees the West as Russia's natural enemy and that the Mongols were in effect in alliance with Russia against the West, led by the Teutonic Knights.

Such idiocy will have to be overcome for there to be a US-Russia rapprochement.

[Blade]

Funny homo-erotic "art". That fellow on the white horse looks like he stepped off the stage of an ABBA concert.

The Estonians were the girls of the old USSR armed forces. Always getting beaten up because they are such weaklings.

The Latvians on the other hand were feared and respected and were not to be trifled with.

Out of curiousity how would you know this??

[Joe McCarthy]

OK, I'll bite. So, true nationalism these days is simply prideful provincialism?

You'll find that "altruism" is not a common word used in the geopolitical world. Nations such as Russia or the United States will do what's in their best interest. The assumption you're under, however, is that whatever is in the best interest of the US is also in our best interest. This is not only somewhat arrogant, but also quite fallacious.

When posters such as yourself and RoyBatty write about Norway being the "bitch" of Russia or the United States, I'm reminded of how you see us. Indeed, I'm reminded of the ever present reality that people like yourself and RoyBatty speak out of their own interests, and not ours.

Whether you are Russians, Americans or National Socialists of whichever nationality, our destiny is not the same as your destiny. We want to be free from foreign interference. NATO isn't an equal partnership, nor is it a defence alliance anymore. It's become a tool for the US to secure US interests like gas pipelines in Afghanistan, and at the same time setting up strategic bases in the region. The plan was to get NATO to join in the war on Iraq as well, to secure the oil fields there.

I guess I'll take these in turn...

1. Nationalism must be based in reality. Norway is unable to provide for its defense and safeguard its sovereignty on its own. Your leaders know this. You apparently don't. Norway is not leaving NATO.

2. States CAN act altruistically. Why do you think Estonia is in NATO? The US has no national interest in protecting Estonia as it alienates a much bigger prize, Russia.

3. The US is nevertheless obligated by treaty to come to the aid of its NATO allies if any of them are attacked. This includes Norway. It would destroy our credibility and herald the end of American primacy if we let Russia roll you over. No one would trust us anymore and our hegemony is based on the fact that our allies know they can trust us and we are benevolent as hegemons go. In other words, as we generally know what we're doing we're not going to screw it up by allowing Russia to stampede our allies.

4. You yourself have referred to Norway prospectively becoming 'Germany's bitch' on that 'If Germany had won WW2' thread. I think you're overly-sensitive, as usual, but I'll concede I could have chosen my words better.

[Siberyak]

Russians don't have an European mentality, they act and think like their Mongol-Tatar rulers did 600 years ago.

I agree 100% Russians don't have a european mentality. But this suits them well as they are not politically correct. Things go on in Russia that would be shocking to those in western Europe.

[Joe McCarthy]

I agree 100% Russians don't have a european mentality. But this suits them well as they are not politically correct. Things go on in Russia that would be shocking to those in western Europe.

The Soviet Union had anti-racism legislation when it was unheard of in the West. This myth among nationalist Westerners that Russians are hard men standing aloft from the multicult is laughable. Maybe when Russians get their birthrate up to snuff, stop aborting their young, stop bringing in immigrants, stop passing anti-hate laws, stop banning nationaist groups, etc., this far right portrayal of Russians as Supermen will have some connection with reality. It'd be nice if they'd stop arming China too. :rolleyes:

[beaver]

Well, Russia WAS under the Tatar yoke for over 200 years and it undoubtably left a strong impression. One of the criticisms of the Mongol legacy is commonly that they stunted Russian society.

For the central Russia - baskaki/taxers. Northern Russia has never been under Mongols (Novgorod, Pskov and Vyatka republics). The main income of Vyatka (settlers from Novgorod) republic was from robbing Hordes and all around. "ушкуйники" (something like vikings but they worked on rivers). Mitropolits from Moscow wrote to Vyatka angry letters - stop this horror! Only Vasili 2 (or 3?) managed to stop Vyatka. He sent here 60000 army, including Tatars that had been under the Moscow hand to the moment (after crushing from Timur/Tamerlan). There were no any fights here, Vyatka just declared that it will be a part of Russia forever. Also, Vasili sent to Vyatka a clan of Tatars/Mongols to keep order here (Karabeg from the Mangytski urt). From that times we (and all Russia) have 0,3 % of the Mongol haplogroups.

[Artavazt]

NATO= North American Terrorist Organization
So my answer is No.

[Aces High]

The Unted States had anti-racism legislation when it was unheard of in the West. This myth among nationalist Westerners that Americans are hard men standing aloft from the multicult is laughable. Maybe when Americans get their birthrate up to snuff, stop aborting their young, stop bringing in immigrants, stop passing anti-hate laws, stop banning nationaist groups, etc., this far right portrayal of Americans as Supermen will have some connection with reality. It'd be nice if they'd stop arming China too. :rolleyes:

Corrected.

Its the US who has a coon running the show,so get down off your high horse and do something about your own fucked up country.

[Joe McCarthy]

Corrected.

Its the US who has a coon running the show,so get down off your high horse and do something about your own fucked up country.

Even when we're on our tenth nigger president we'll still be infinitely more relevant than a gaggle of phone booth fascists will ever be.

[beaver]

Even when we're on our tenth nigger president we'll still be infinitely more relevant than a gaggle of phone booth fascists will ever be.
Fully agree. US government and all teams under it just make their work.

[Aces High]

Even when we're on our tenth nigger president we'll still be infinitely more relevant than a gaggle of phone booth fascists will ever be.

Every dog has its day....the US had its and now its Chinas turn.....bye bye has beens.

[Joe McCarthy]

Every dog has its day....the US had its and now its Chinas turn.....bye bye has beens.

The United States has by far the most powerful military in the world (our Navy is larger than the next 13 combined), the largest economy, an extensive network of allied countries (China doesn't have so much as ONE military alliance), and perhaps most importantly: unlike China we don't scare the hell out of the world. Moreover, China's housing bubble just burst and they have a budding mass uprising brewing over government corruption.

We'll see what happens in the coming years, but it's just a tad too soon to be delivering America's eulogy, the taunts and wishes of internet Nazis notwithstanding.

[Aces High]

The United States has by far the most powerful military in the world (our Navy is larger than the next 13 combined),

You forgot to tell the Taliban that......maybe if they had have known they wouldnt have handed your arses to you on a plate.

[Joe McCarthy]

You forgot to tell the Taliban that......maybe if they had have known they wouldnt have handed your arses to you on a plate.

As an ex-military dude you should know that a strong Navy has little bearing on a COIN campaign. What it does mean though is that if China gets out of line they will get smashed in a naval conflict.

[Aces High]

China is the next big thing.....and the jews cant get their maulers into the Chinese economy like they have everywhere else so that why its classed as a new satan.
Theres no Chinese Rothschild bank and never will be.;)

The PBC has the most financial assets of any single public finance institution ever..............thats why theres sabre rattling and the PBC is going to get bigger and stronger.
They dont give a fuck about a naval battle.....live with it you zog drone.

[Joe McCarthy]

China is the next big thing.....and the jews cant get their maulers into the Chinese economy like they have everywhere else so that why its classed as a new satan.
Theres no Chinese Rothschild bank and never will be.;).

LOL. Sounds like love at first sight. Maybe you can rename China's leader Heil Jintao.

[beaver]

China is the next big thing..
They have greatest management in the world. And they have permanently the worst system situation in the world. And they manage to work in this situation. Nobody in the world cannot be compared - bastards like Obama, Sarcozi, Berlusconni, Putin.

[Aces High]

LOL. Sounds like love at first sight. Maybe you can rename China's leader Heil Jintao.

Lets just wait till your jew friends in the media start refering to him as the next greats satan and his regime of terror etc......China is a socialist economy and it makes me laugh to watch you neo-con worms squirm.

[Joe McCarthy]

Lets just wait till your jew friends in the media start refering to him as the next greats satan and his regime of terror etc......

Now you're getting me excited. Though they'd just be reporting the facts.

[Aces High]

Though they'd just be reporting the facts.

Fun facts for fools.

[Joe McCarthy]

They have greatest management in the world.

I disagree. There's far too much corruption for that to be the case. Graft anf bribery seem endemic to authoritarian systems and it's contributing to the culture of revolt that is going on in China.

They have a lot of work to do. They're behind the West in virtually everything but reserves, which they've amassed in large part due to our own stupidity. They've also yet to prove they can out-innovate the US. They depend to a large extent on technology theft, espionage, and cyber-terrorism. We just need to get a lot tougher with them as they are not a normal state.

[Siberyak]

The Soviet Union had anti-racism legislation when it was unheard of in the West. This myth among nationalist Westerners that Russians are hard men standing aloft from the multicult is laughable. Maybe when Russians get their birthrate up to snuff, stop aborting their young, stop bringing in immigrants, stop passing anti-hate laws, stop banning nationaist groups, etc., this far right portrayal of Russians as Supermen will have some connection with reality. It'd be nice if they'd stop arming China too. :rolleyes:

You as American have not right to complain about immigration in other countries as America gets browner and browner every year.

[Siberyak]

Anyways an attack on Iran might be the straw that breaks Americas back. I say this with sadness and worry.

[Joe McCarthy]

You as American have not right to complain about immigration in other countries as America gets browner and browner every year.

Completely beside the point. I am tired of reading of how much the West sucks and how awesome Russia is. It's like some alternative reality seeing it on these forums. On top of having demographic problems matching ours, they have the kind of endemic poverty and corruption we shedded long ago. Why is it that I meet so many educated Russians in the US? It's because Russia can't pay them.

[Siberyak]

Completely beside the point. I am tired of reading of how much the West sucks and how awesome Russia is. It's like some alternative reality seeing it on these forums. On top of having demographic problems matching ours, they have the kind of endemic poverty and corruption we shedded long ago. Why is it that I meet so many educated Russians in the US? It's because Russia can't pay them.

I never said Russia is awesome. Because as long as Putin is up they are headed for a brick wall. However This doesn't mean the people can't bring change as you are seeing with the opposition protests. I think people around the world want change.

[RoyBatty]

Why is it that I meet so many educated Russians in the US? It's because Russia can't pay them.

It's because you Jews looted the country in the 1990's and deliberately ran it into the ground after which the system nearly collapsed and corruption took over.

10 Years of Jewish Oligarchic misrule and looting in the 1990's = 25 years to rebuild the destruction. (assuming many of those oligarchs were now crushed and removed)

Unfortunately they weren't meaning that the rebuilding process is stalling and more money keeps being looted by the Globalists operating out of the USA and UK.

[Der Steinadler]

Completely beside the point. I am tired of reading of how much the West sucks and how awesome Russia is. It's like some alternative reality seeing it on these forums. On top of having demographic problems matching ours, they have the kind of endemic poverty and corruption we shedded long ago. Why is it that I meet so many educated Russians in the US? It's because Russia can't pay them.

like who ?

[Siberyak]

like who ?

A huge number are Russian jews. Brighton Beach in new york city is full of Jews from the former soviet union

[Der Steinadler]

A huge number are Russian jews. Brighton Beach in new york city is full of Jews from the former soviet union

true.

Britain is also full of them. The Oligarchs who have a controlling stake in russian companies and who are protected by brainwashed sheeple in the west.

Point is, these people are not well educated or intellectual assets as Joe is implying.

They are petty gangsters.

Any Russian with an one ounce of intelligence would of departed America years ago.

[RoyBatty]

Brighton Beach in new york city is full of Jews from the former soviet union

Those are Ukrainian Jews, many from Odessa

[Siberyak]

Those are Ukrainian Jews, many from Odessa

No wonder this area is such a mafia hideout

[beaver]

No

[LeningradSKY]

Eastern-European immigrants create problems everywhere they go, Estonia, England or Italy.

The Russian way of thinking has had such heavy Mongol-Tatar influences, that they are unique.

Asstonian ape, what would you say if knoq that 100% Russia have some swede and suomi blood in me?

[beaver]

Asstonian ape, what would you say if knoq that 100% Russia have some swede and suomi blood in me?
I'm not admin. LeningradSKY, what is going with you? If you are drunk currently, please sleep 24 and then post here.

Не засирайте ресурс

[Stars Down To Earth]

Many people, especially Yanks, have a misguided image of what Russians are, because the biological quality of immigrants from the East bloc varies a lot. The people you get in, for instance, Brighton Beach aren't representative of Russians at all. The term "Russian" is incredibly vague and misleading, since all Russian-speaking people usually get lumped together under that term. Really, it's even more useless as an ethnic marker than "American". There's a world of difference between the Russian people in Moscow and the swarthy Crimean Jews in Brighton Beach.


Point is, these people are not well educated or intellectual assets as Joe is implying.
There's nothing intellectual about these Jewish expats at all. I saw those cunts on the tube, last time I was in London. Swarms of black-hatted, greasy Hasidim, dandruff on their clothes and hooked noses sniffing for pennies. It's enough to make anyone sick.

[RoyBatty]

I'm not admin. LeningradSKY, what is going with you? If you are drunk currently, please sleep 24 and then post here.

Не засирайте ресурс

He wasn't speaking to you

[Padre Organtino]

LeningradSKY kind of reminds me of those Soviet Glenn Beckoid types with their military jingoism and latent paranoia.
As for the emmigrants - there are plenty of Russian scholars who had to leave the country but searching for them in Brighton Beach is like looking for WASPS in Detroit.

[Äike]

If you really believe that Russians have a "tatar-mongol" mentality, that can only mean that you don't know them at all.

I know more than you ever will.


They differ greatly. The more successful Russian people don't go to Estonia, and that only leaves the miscreants and thugs.

I have close Russian friends who probably have a 1000 times higher yearly income than you do. They have lived in Estonia for all their life.

Also in the 1920's and 1930's, the Russian elite who fled the USSR, often moved to Estonia.

In the 2000's, many people from the cultural Russian elite or Russian businessmen also move to Estonia, because Estonia has created a very privileged society for the Russian immigrants here. Including an independent 100% Russian education system etc.

Even to this day, Russians are immigrating to Estonia.


It's not a good thing by bigoted, Russophobic, anti-European standards

The absolute majority of the Russian people are not like us, Europeans, by mentality. But some of them are nice people.

[beaver]

He wasn't speaking to you
Yes, I dont like when Russians sound like full idiots. You've catch the point.

[Padre Organtino]

I know more than you ever will.



I have close Russian friends who probably have a 1000 times higher yearly income than you do. They have lived in Estonia for all their life.

Also in the 1920's and 1930's, the Russian elite who fled the USSR, often moved to Estonia.

In the 2000's, many people from the cultural Russian elite or Russian businessmen also move to Estonia, because Estonia has created a very privileged society for the Russian immigrants here. Including an independent 100% Russian education system etc.

Even to this day, Russians are immigrating to Estonia.



The absolute majority of the Russian people are not like us, Europeans, by mentality. But some of them are nice people.

Who do you mean by "US"? North Euros, South ones or maybe Brits? Europe is kind of diverse. As an outsider I'd say that Russians have a lot of in common with colonials like Americans (I know Hess is gonna crucify me for this:D). Claiming they have "Asian" or "Mongol" mentality is to say the least absurd.

[RoyBatty]

Many people, especially Yanks, have a misguided image of what Russians are, because the biological quality of immigrants from the former Soviet Union varies a lot.


Joe isn't misguided like most Yankz, he's a Zionist meaning that he actually does know how things are but deliberately chooses to misrepresent them in the style you see typically see dumb mediabot Yankz do.

The difference is subtle but important. :thumb001:


The people you get in, for example, Brighton Beach aren't representative of Russians at all. The term "Russian" is incredibly vague and misleading, since all people from the East bloc usually get lumped together under that term. Really, it's even more useless as an ethnic marker than "American".


Indeed. The term "Russian", particularly in Western media and writings is applied to anything from a swarthy Caucasus Muslim to a Jewish Oligarch criminal such as Khodorkovsky.

History books describe Lenin as "Russian" even though he was 1/2 Western European Jew and part Kalmykh and Chuvash. In other words, he was about as "Russian" as Ronald Reagan.

A typical ethnic "Russian" is Slavic but the Western media frequently use "Russian" to describe pretty much anybody from former Soviet Union Republics.



There's a world of difference between the Russian people in Moscow and the swarthy Crimean Jews in Brighton Beach.


Moscow is a bit of a United Nations of the USSR. St Petersburg is less mixed and has less spillover from former Soviet 'Stans.



There's nothing intellectual about these Jewish expats at all. I saw those cunts on the tube, last time I was in London. Swarms of black-hatted, greasy Hasidim, dandruff on their clothes and hooked noses sniffing for pennies. It's enough to make anyone sick.

They have a stronghold in North London, Golders Green area. At night on the upper deck of the bus you can see groups of fanatics bobbing backwards and forwards in prayer rooms as you go past. It's like a scene out of a surreal, parallel universe.

[beaver]

In the 2000's, many people from the cultural Russian elite or Russian businessmen also move to Estonia, because Estonia has created a very privileged society for the Russian immigrants here. Including an independent 100% Russian education system etc.
I dont know nothing about Estonia, comrades from my Alma Mater are going to three points of the states - Boston, California and the state Washington (not DC)

[Der Steinadler]

Indeed. The term "Russian", particularly in Western media and writings is applied to anything from a swarthy Caucasus Muslim to a Jewish Oligarch criminal such as Khodorkovsky.

History books describe Lenin as "Russian" even though he was 1/2 Western European Jew and part Kalmykh and Chuvash. In other words, he was about as "Russian" as Ronald Reagan.

A typical ethnic "Russian" is Slavic but the Western media frequently use "Russian" to describe pretty much anybody from former Soviet Union Republics.




“The investigation of the meaning of words is the beginning of education”.
Antithenes.

[LeningradSKY]

I'm not admin. LeningradSKY, what is going with you? If you are drunk currently, please sleep 24 and then post here.

Не засирайте ресурс

Бью по морде в ответ на оскорбления. По-эзоповски говорить не умею, все вещи называю своим именем.

Gotcha?

[Hess]

swarthy Crimean Jews in Brighton Beach


Most russian jews are actually very light, only a tad darker than the Russians themselves, about on the same level as Ukrainians. THe most reliable way to tell Russian Jews from real Russians is by behavior, not by racial inspection.


I know more than you ever will.

silly ad hominem




In the 2000's, many people from the cultural Russian elite or Russian businessmen also move to Estonia, because Estonia has created a very privileged society for the Russian immigrants here. Including an independent 100% Russian education system etc.

The "cultural Russian elite" is in London, Boston, and France, not in Estonia. I'm sorry but a rich, educated Russian would never choose Estonia over the countries listed above.




The absolute majority of the Russian people are not like us, Europeans, by mentality. But some of them are nice people.

Like I said, the differences between Ukrainians, Belorussians, and Russians are so negligible that I don't see how you can consider one group European and not the others.

[Hess]

Бью по морде

http://www.legaljuice.com/punch%20punched%20in%20face%20boxing%20glove%20hur t.jpg

[LeningradSKY]

LeningradSKY kind of reminds me of those Soviet Glenn Beckoid types with their military jingoism and latent paranoia.
As for the emmigrants - there are plenty of Russian scholars who had to leave the country but searching for them in Brighton Beach is like looking for WASPS in Detroit.

Gogashvili,

Are you Georgian? It is a presumptive diagnosis for a men with ambitions but without balls.

Sorry for ya.

[Äike]

The "cultural Russian elite" is in London, Boston, and France, not in Estonia. I'm sorry but a rich, educated Russian would never choose Estonia over the countries listed above.

The Russians (usually with families, wife and children) who want to preserve their identity, culture and language, move to Estonia, the ones that don't, move to the UK. That's the difference.

[Padre Organtino]

Gogashvili,

Are you Georgian? It is a presumptive diagnosis for a men with ambitions but without balls.

Sorry for ya.

Judging by how long it took you to manage to read my profile I'd say difference in our IQ levels is too high to engage in discussion with you, sorry.

[Hess]

The Russians (usually with families, wife and children) who want to preserve their identity, culture and language, move to Estonia, the ones that don't, move to the UK. That's the difference.

I couldn't disagree more. The Russians here in Boston are still very much Russian. They always speak Russian whenever they can, they go to every Russian Ballet and Opera, they attend Russian clubs, and they usually live in the Russian parts of Boston.

[Äike]

I couldn't disagree more. The Russians here in Boston are still very much Russian. They always speak Russian whenever they can, they go to every Russian Ballet and Opera, they attend Russian clubs, and they usually live in the Russian parts of Boston.

Do their kids learn in Russian schools, in the Russian language and are taught by Russian teachers? Can those Russians walk into a store or a bank and do all their business there, in Russian?

The answer is no and you are an idiot.

[LeningradSKY]

I'd say difference in our IQ levels

I'd say it is typical Georgian what you say....LOL! GAMARDZOBA GENACVALE!

Going to kill Karl-girl. :)

[LeningradSKY]

Do their kids learn in Russian schools, in the Russian language and are taught by Russian teachers? Can those Russians walk into a store or a bank and do all their business there, in Russian?

The answer is no and you are an idiot.

Ever heard about Sillamäe? Russian miners? Russian Afghan war vets? We'll remind you one day.

[Äike]

Ever heard about Sillamäe? Russian miners? Russian Afghan war vets? We'll remind you one day.

What about them?

[beaver]

Is it something going wrong with me the theme - Should Russia joing NATO? Please, create a thread: "I hate Russia and Russians" Ftf I should read one and the same in absolutely various threads?

[Siberyak]

What about them?

How do estonians and russians get along in your country?

[Hess]

Do their kids learn in Russian schools, in the Russian language and are taught by Russian teachers?

Actually, many Russians attend this school. There are many others in Boston.
http://www.russianschool.com/about.html

There are also 5 Russian schools in London
TgHkiFDriCE


Can those Russians walk into a store or a bank and do all their business there, in Russian?

There are many, many fully Russian stores where people only speak Russian and where purely Russian goods are sold. I would say that there is at least 1 fully Russian store per ever 2 blocks, and there are some neighborhoods where you can see one Russian store after another.

(this is for both Boston and London)


The answer is no and you are an idiot.

Not only do you have no clue as to what you're talking about, but you also like to like to use vulgarities and insults.

[Stars Down To Earth]

As for the question in the OP - I think Russia should stay the fuck away from NATO. Ideally, the whole NATO should be disbanded. It's nothing more than a Cold War relic, and a tool for Yank politicians that are often traitors to their own people.

That said, I'd like to see a future where a reborn ethno-nationalist USA forms an alliance together with Russia and Europe, and work against the Chinese. However, that's totally unrelated to the current NATO mess.


Indeed. The term "Russian", particularly in Western media and writings is applied to anything from a swarthy Caucasus Muslim to a Jewish Oligarch criminal such as Khodorkovsky.
I used to think Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky were actual Russians when I was a laddie. Now I know better.

I guess this is a natural byproduct of having a multi-ethnic empire, that the terms for people get muddled in this way. "Russian" and "American" are useless as ethnic markers, and really are more geographical than anything else. The ethnic lines are much clearer in nation-states. Also, outsiders tend to confuse Russian-speakers from the East bloc for actual Russians - which is why Jewish and Caucasus mafias get labeled as "the Russian mafia".


Moscow is a bit of a United Nations of the USSR. St Petersburg is less mixed and has less spillover from former Soviet 'Stans.

Haven't visited Piter yet, although I'll have to go at some point in the future. Moscow was a multiracial toilet for the most part (at least the city centre), but it was easy to distinguish the Russians from the immigrants. My point was that Moscow Russians are northern Slavs and from a different racial stock than the swarthy Brighton Beach immigrants.


They have a stronghold in North London, Golders Green area. At night on the upper deck of the bus you can see groups of fanatics bobbing backwards and forwards in prayer rooms as you go past. It's like a scene out of a surreal, parallel universe.
Aye, those Hasidic punters are a bizarre sight. It's totally fucking surreal, watching them bobbing up and down in their black hats.

I've read that during WW2, the German Jews were well-integrated and many of them couldn't be easily distinguished from Germans. So when they rolled into the Eastern European cities, the Wehrmacht troops had the shock of their lives - faced with swarms of Hasidim, with black robes, beaky noses, dandruff hair and entomologically populous beards. After seeing these creatures on the London tube, I have full understanding for the Germans now.

[LeningradSKY]

What about them?

It is your 5th column. You insult and humilate them on a dayly basis and one day they'll explode with a little help of me.

Await.

See ya, EESTI.

[Äike]

How do estonians and russians get along in your country?

Fine. But Russians create a lot of problems here. They are criminals, drug-addicts and they have a HIV problem.

The majority of the prison population here composes of Russians and 92% of HIV-sick people in Estonia are actually Russian, only 6% are Estonian.

They are the Gypsies of Estonia or niggers of Estonia, to make it clear.

If you don't walk at night in a Russian neighborhood, then you'll be fine here.

[Äike]

It is your 5th column. You insult and humilate them on a dayly basis and one day they'll explode with a little help of me.

Await.

See ya, EESTI.

lol, Russians in Estonia have a considerably life than Russians in Russia.

In 2006, Putin started a campaign where all Russians returning to Russia would get a free home and a job. Not a single person from Estonia left, as Russian immigrants here don't want to move away from a modern Western country to a place like Russia. They have a lot of privileges here.

[beaver]

Fine. But Russians create a lot of problems here. They are criminals, drug-addicts and they have a HIV problem.

The majority of the prison population here composes of Russians and 92% of HIV-sick people in Estonia are actually Russian, only 6% are Estonian.
is this like "Skype is an Estonian company"?

[Äike]

is this like "Skype is an Estonian company"?

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/1117/russiansinestoniahiv.jpg

Sorry, I was mistaken before. It's not 92% but 90%. The rest 2% are probably Ukrainians.

[Lisa]

Fine. But Russians create a lot of problems here. They are criminals, drug-addicts and they have a HIV problem.

The majority of the prison population here composes of Russians and 92% of HIV-sick people in Estonia are actually Russian, only 6% are Estonian.

They are the Gypsies of Estonia or niggers of Estonia, to make it clear.

If you don't walk at night in a Russian neighborhood, then you'll be fine here.

Lie 100%

[Hess]

I'm still waiting for a response to my previous post, Karl. What happened to that good old Nordic Aryan fighting spirit?

[Äike]

Lie 100%

Truth 140%! :p


I'm still waiting for a response to my previous post, Karl. What happened to that good old Nordic Aryan fighting spirit?

Can Russians in the US go to any store/bank in the middle of nowhere and speak Russian? No they can't. Only in their Russian neighborhoods they can.

Also Russian schools cover entire Estonia, not just the Russian regions.

[Hess]

Can Russians in the US go to any store/bank in the middle of nowhere and speak Russian? No they can't. Only in their Russian neighborhoods they can.

Also Russian schools cover entire Estonia, not just the Russian regions.

That makes no difference, you made a statement and I proved you 100% wrong. There are whole neighborhoods in Boston and London where Russians don't need to know a word of English- this is where the Russians who are not criminals and thugs go.

[RoyBatty]

I used to think Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky were actual Russians when I was a laddie. Now I know better.


And so did I of course since I was taught by the same system which derived its "facts", information and knowledge from the same sources.

I used to believe that this was simply due to sloppy academic standards and ignorance but today I do no longer believe this to be the case.

My belief today is that the history books, Academia etc deliberately misrepresent and falsify (or manipulate) information in such a way as to present a certain kind of "reality" to the learner. It's a bit of a paradox that sometimes the more "educated" you are, the less you actually know because you've been spoonfed a diet of deliberate lies and falsifications.

If you somehow missed this part of your "education", and you bothered to take the time to learn things for yourself (not relying on Auntie Beeb and the History Channel of course), you stand a better chance of seeing things for what they are.




I guess this is a natural byproduct of having a multi-ethnic empire, that the terms for people get muddled in this way. "Russian" and "American" are useless as ethnic markers, and really are more geographical than anything else. The ethnic lines are much clearer in nation-states. Also, outsiders tend to confuse Russian-speakers from the East bloc for actual Russians - which is why Jewish and Caucasus mafias get labeled as "the Russian mafia".


I suspect it's due to the programming of those journalists by the system. The system taught them that it's all the same thing, that there isn't really such a thing as a Jew from Poland or Russia with a seperate culture, agenda and history to that of a Slavic Russian or Pole etc.

The system taught them that the Soviet Union is just an extended Russia so an Uzbek businessman like Arsenal shareholder Alisher Usmanov is also considered to be "Russian" by the clueless media hacks.





Haven't visited Piter yet, although I'll have to go at some point in the future. Moscow was a multiracial toilet for the most part (at least the city centre), but it was easy to distinguish the Russians from the immigrants. My point was that Moscow Russians are northern Slavs and from a different racial stock than the swarthy Brighton Beach immigrants.


Definitely worth your while. Be sure to go in summer though. And unless you want to get stranded, watch the time if you're out drinking far away from your hotel. They pull up the drawbridges at night :D

[Äike]

That makes no difference, you made a statement and I proved you 100% wrong.

If you think that, then you are dumber than I thought.

Have a nice evening, nigger.

[Siberyak]

Fine. But Russians create a lot of problems here. They are criminals, drug-addicts and they have a HIV problem.

The majority of the prison population here composes of Russians and 92% of HIV-sick people in Estonia are actually Russian, only 6% are Estonian.

They are the Gypsies of Estonia or niggers of Estonia, to make it clear.

If you don't walk at night in a Russian neighborhood, then you'll be fine here.

In Latvia Russians are also called occupiers ?

[beaver]

Sorry, I was mistaken before. It's not 92% but 90%. The rest 2% are probably Ukrainians.
What you are talking about fiinally?
Estoninans participated in the Scype, good programmers. And no more.

[Hess]

If you think that, then you are dumber than I thought.

Russian cultural elites go to the places I mentioned where they are free to practice their culture as much as they want, not Estonia. If you don't have the mental capabilities to connect what I said that shouldn't be my problem


Have a nice evening, nigger.

More pathetic ad hominems. I could call you quite a few things back, but I am not planning on stooping to your level.

[LeningradSKY]

Слушайте, слушайте и смотрите! Тим Керби и Николай Стариков!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UK7fbuxDeI&feature=player_embedded#!

[LeningradSKY]

Fine. But Russians create a lot of problems here. They are criminals, drug-addicts and they have a HIV problem.

The majority of the prison population here composes of Russians and 92% of HIV-sick people in Estonia are actually Russian, only 6% are Estonian.

They are the Gypsies of Estonia or niggers of Estonia, to make it clear.

If you don't walk at night in a Russian neighborhood, then you'll be fine here.


How nice to read it!

Yes - we are NIGGAs You wanted to say it, but you didn't said it public,

[beaver]

Russian cultural elites go to the places I mentioned where they are free to practice their culture as much as they want, not Estonia. If you don't have the mental capabilities to connect what I said that shouldn't be my problem
No problems at all, British are very self-ironic. Russians are more or less. We should diminish all problems.

[LeningradSKY]

lol, Russians in Estonia have a considerably life than Russians in Russia.

In 2006, Putin started a campaign where all Russians returning to Russia would get a free home and a job. Not a single person from Estonia left, as Russian immigrants here don't want to move away from a moderughtern Western country to a place like Russia. They have a lot of privileges here.

We don't need thwm back.

We'll come and face their full support.

How old is your daughter?

Keep and hide her.

76-th Airborne Division guys....where I served .... I wan't stop them.

Сосать салабоны! Вы быстро выучите русский!

[Siberyak]

We don't need thwm back.

We'll come and face their full support.

How old is your daughter?

Keep and hide her.

76-th Airborne Division guys....where I served .... I wan't stop them.

Сосать салабоны! Вы быстро выучите русский!

I like Russia but it needs serious help. It has very poor safety standards. Too many plane crashes, Military accidents, failed satellite launches etc.

[Äike]

In Latvia Russians are also called occupiers ?

I am not from Latvia and I know as much about that country as you do.

What do you mean by "also", no one calls them occupiers here.

[Waidewut]

In Latvia Russians are also called occupiers ?

I would say Estonian Russians=Latvian Russians.
Although they are slightly more integrated and can't get 100% education in Russian language, in public schools.

I can't find info about the ethnicities of HIV infected people, but there are less people infected per 1000 inhabitants in Latvia, than in Estonia, although Russians make a larger percentage here. But this is because Estonia got hit worse by heroin import, than Latvia.

[Äike]

I would say Estonian Russians=Latvian Russians.
Although they are slightly more integrated and can't get 100% education in Russian language, in public schools.

I strongly disagree.


I can't find info about the ethnicities of HIV infected people, but there are less people infected per 1000 inhabitants in Latvia, than in Estonia, although Russians make a larger percentage here. But this is because Estonia got hit worse by heroin import, than Latvia.

The only difference is that Estonia has 1.3 million people and Latvia has 2 million. This increases all % related stuff. But HIV is a Russian problem here, not an Estonian one. If you don't fuck a Russian, you'll be okay :P

Because of our small number, Estonian soldiers in Afghanistan have given the biggest contribution out of all NATO countries.

Divide the number of fallen soldiers with the number of people in the country.

Denmark comes 2nd and the UK comes 3rd.

[Waidewut]

I strongly disagree.


Where do you see the difference? They have even invented a new term- "Baltic Russians", and they have started to suppose they are a different ethnic group from the proper Russians.

[RoyBatty]

Because of our small number, Estonian soldiers in Afghanistan have given the biggest contribution out of all NATO countries.


Send more!

[beaver]

If you don't fuck a Russian, you'll be okay
Dont talk in Russian any more. In Vilnues. The public khows what it wants

[Äike]

Where do you see the difference? They have even invented a new term- "Baltic Russians", and they have started to suppose they are a different ethnic group from the proper Russians.

Here's one difference in the mindset of our precious Russian immigrants.

Your Russians vote for political parties in Latvia, that get around ~5000 votes in Estonia. In Estonia, those political parties are considered extreme.

But the equivalent of extreme Russian parties of Estonia, that get no Russian votes, are very popular in Latvia among the Russians.

That's what I mean by a different mindset. Our Russian immigrants vote for a leftist Centre party that is lead by Estonians, but has a lot of Russian members.

[Äike]

Send more!

Who pissed in your brain?

[beaver]

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[Waidewut]

Here's one difference in the mindset of our precious Russian immigrants.

Your Russians vote for political parties in Latvia, that get around ~5000 votes in Estonia. In Estonia, those political parties are considered extreme.

But the equivalent of extreme Russian parties of Estonia, that get no Russian votes, are very popular in Latvia among the Russians.

That's what I mean by a different mindset. Our Russian immigrants vote for a leftist Centre party that is lead by Estonians, but has a lot of Russian members.

Did you mean "Harmony Centre", the winning party of our recent election?
By the way, they are not directly connected with the coming Russian language referendum. It's the initiative of a Jewish extremist and his organization.

Why don't the Estonian Russians vote for parties that have an aim to strengthen ties with Russia, etc. ?

[Äike]

Did you mean "Harmony Centre", the winning party of our recent election?
By the way, they are not directly connected with the coming Russian language referendum. It's the initiative of a Jewish extremist and his organization.

Why don't the Estonian Russians vote for parties that have an aim to strengthen ties with Russia, etc. ?

The party they vote for, wants to strengthen ties with Russia, but it's not comparable to the Latvian Russian parties.

Practically saying, there are 0 "Russian parties" in the Estonian parliament.

[Lisa]

Слушайте, слушайте и смотрите! Тим Керби и Николай Стариков!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UK7fbuxDeI&feature=player_embedded#!
This You Nikolai Starikov?

[Waidewut]

The party they vote for, wants to strengthen ties with Russia, but it's not comparable to the Latvian Russian parties.

Practically saying, there are 0 "Russian parties" in the Estonian parliament.

There has been at least one "Russian party" in every Latvian parliament. But this can be explained by Latvia having considerably more Russian immigrants, thus a bigger political force/potential.

[Lisa]

There has been at least one "Russian party" in every Latvian parliament. But this can be explained by Latvia having considerably more Russian immigrants, thus a bigger political force/potential.

Guys don't forget who you are... Russians certainly should have legal entitlement a native language in Estonia or Latvia .

[Caeruleus]

Guys don't forget who you are... Russians certainly should have legal entitlement a native language in Estonia or Latvia .

the only right the russians have is to fuck off back to Russia :) if they want to stay they better start learning the language of indigenous people

[RoyBatty]

Who pissed in your brain?

Why Asstonian uebermensch so angry? Don't you want to show your USA what a good whore you are? :confused:

[Lisa]

the only right the russians have is to fuck off back to Russia :) if they want to stay they better start learning the language of indigenous people

Gypsies are unnecessary in Europe ...:rolleyes:

[Caeruleus]

Gypsies are unnecessary in Europe ...:rolleyes:

you can suck my "gypsy" cock mongol CUNT ;)

[RoyBatty]

the only right the russians have is to fuck off back to Russia :)

So when will you lot fuck off out of Britain? :confused:

[Caeruleus]

So when will you lot fuck off out of Britain? :confused:

I live in Moldova pigeon shit face :)

[RoyBatty]

I live in Moldova pigeon shit face :)

So you do know your place, that's wonderful. When will you please pay the busfare for your extended Roma family to come join you in your paradise?

[Mordid]

So when will you lot fuck off out of Britain? :confused:
How does it relate to his point? :confused:

[RoyBatty]

How does it relate to his point? :confused:

If you weren't Polish you would have understood.

[Padre Organtino]

How does it relate to his point? :confused:

I guess that was an attempt at trolling of sorts. Anyway the whole thread has long lost any point to it.

[Caeruleus]

So you do know your place, that's wonderful. When will you please pay the busfare for your extended Roma family to come join you in your paradise?

you fail again suckson ! gypsy community in Moldova is no bigger than gypsy community in Russia or UK :) actually its much smaller ...

[Mordid]

If you weren't Polish you would have understood.
No, I understand your frustration.

[RoyBatty]

you fail again suckson ! gypsy community in Moldova is no bigger than gypsy community in Russia :) actually its much smaller ...

Then how come so many of the fuckers are here? Something doesn't add up.

[Redar14]

In Lithuania Poles and Russians are allies! It's very important to me and I know that a lot of Latvians support lithuanian occupiers of polish northern lands.

[Äike]

Guys don't forget who you are... Russians certainly should have legal entitlement a native language in Estonia or Latvia .

Hey, if Somalian is declared as a native language in Sweden and Turkish is declared as a native language in Germany, then I might consider supporting Russian being declared as a native language in Estonia.

:D

Turks, Africans and Arabs are all recent immigrants in Europe, just like Russians are recent immigrants in Estonia. The biggest flow of Russians came to Estonia in the 1970's and 1980's, that's when Turks started going to Germany.

:rolleyes:

[Peasant]

Then how come so many of the fuckers are here? Something doesn't add up.

That is probably the reason it is smaller. :D

[Loki]

Guys don't forget who you are... Russians certainly should have legal entitlement a native language in Estonia or Latvia .

Absolutely agreed.

[Hess]

Hey, if Somalian is declared as a native language in Sweden and Turkish is declared as a native language in Germany, then I might consider supporting Russian being declared as a native language in Estonia.

:D

Turks, Africans and Arabs are all recent immigrants in Europe, just like Russians are recent immigrants in Estonia. The biggest flow of Russians came to Estonia in the 1970's and 1980's, that's when Turks started going to Germany.

:rolleyes:

Comparing Russian to Turkish and Somalian and Russians to Arabs an Africans is pretty out there, mate. I don' t see how Russians and Turks migrating in the same years makes them even remotely similar.

[beaver]

Comparing Russian to Turkish and Somalian and Russians to Arabs an Africans is pretty out there, mate. I don' t see how Russians and Turks migrating in the same years makes them even remotely similar. \
I think Karl just has some sense of his life - to hate Russia. If Russia disappeared one time many and many would loose their sense of life, Western Ukrainians e.g. What will they do without Russia? What to discuss? What to hate?