PDA

View Full Version : KED004 Volga-Oka Burtas on G25



axlredneck
10-24-2024, 12:44 PM
https://youtu.be/XniTZ1krqrU?si=37QUtHnmURXuKnP2


Burtas were a tribe of uncertain ethnolinguistic affiliation inhabiting the steppe region north of the Caspian Sea in medieval times (modern Penza Oblast, Ulyanovsk Oblast and Saratov Oblast of the Russian Federation). They were subject to the Khazars.

Some scholars maintain that the Burtas are supposed to be Turkic-speaking and ethnically related to the Volga Bulgars. Burtas are the ancestors of Tatar Mishars.

axlredneck
10-24-2024, 12:46 PM
https://idrisi.narod.ru/m435.jpg
KED004, Slavo-Burtas

Y-DNA: —
mtDNA: F2e (https://www.yfull.com/mtree/F2e/)
Region: Kideksha, Vladimir


Lastly, the earliest individual from Kideksha (KED004) carried an intriguing mixture of ancestries. On the West Eurasian PCA, this individual falls within the space between European and Iranian clines. This individual also carried a geographically unusual mitochondrial haplogroup F2e, mostly found in present-day East Asians and mainland Southeast Asians.

axlredneck
10-24-2024, 12:47 PM
https://i.ibb.co/GR00MbC/IMG-20241024-170653.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/bRC25yL/IMG-20241024-170720.jpg

axlredneck
10-24-2024, 12:48 PM
RUS_VolgaOka_MA2_o:KED004,0.119514,0.094444,0.0422 38,0.033592,0.008617,0.008925,0.003995,0.008077,-0.016771,-0.011481,-0.000162,-0.002548,0.000595,0.012111,-0.00855,-0.012463,-0.009648,0.00114,0.007039,-0.009505,0.001747,-0.004451,0.00037,-0.006145,-0.001317
Slavic,0.127981271,0.123032747,0.061046996,0.04682 2155,0.030604469,0.015053323,0.003826669,0.0110440 29,-0.007434075,-0.006395317,-0.000496045,-0.005818945,0.006206105,0.017029656,-0.013041356,-0.009829125,-0.012209651,0.002717059,0.009558309,-0.016075504,-0.001264299,-0.006660954,0.000762162,-0.005672504,-3.06998E-05
Caucasus,0.1069293,0.1374168,-0.0658553,-0.0386694,-0.0485449,-0.0038988,0.0052389,-0.0061745,-0.0698761,-0.0298359,-0.001291,0.0129577,-0.0276683,0.0088307,0.0030527,-0.0317598,0.0065717,-0.0135431,-0.005252,0.0156567,0.0144077,0.0043619,0.0040544,-0.0181002,-0.0073075
Burtas,0.0869524,-0.1073858,0.0560698,0.0392668,-0.0496144,-0.0106472,0.0035739,0.0072487,-0.0104996,-0.0194305,0.0028703,-0.0014138,0.0004387,-0.0111373,0.0034241,-0.0060531,-0.0131426,0.0083422,0.00654,-0.0007913,0.0045267,-0.0018964,-0.0057262,0.004137,-0.0018782
Late_Burtas,0.097302753,0.01945033,-0.00710154,-0.001113189,-0.049060274,-0.007150746,0.004436564,0.000293924,-0.041263513,-0.024821705,0.000714263,0.006032305,-0.014123986,-0.000791561,0.003231673,-0.01937215,-0.002928307,-0.002996923,0.000430378,0.00773067,0.009646205,0.0 01346126,-0.000658715,-0.007384446,-0.004691208
https://i.ibb.co/8cL5s35/IMG-20241024-172106.png

Dušan
10-24-2024, 01:42 PM
6.6% RUS_VolgaOka_MA2



Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 1.9010% / 0.01900993
39.6 Russian_Smolensk
35.2 Greek_Macedonia
10.6 Sardinian
7.8 Lithuanian_VZ
6.6 RUS_VolgaOka_MA2_o
0.2 Koinanbe

axlredneck
10-24-2024, 04:18 PM
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 1.9010% / 0.01900993
39.6 Russian_Smolensk
35.2 Greek_Macedonia
10.6 Sardinian
7.8 Lithuanian_VZ
6.6 RUS_VolgaOka_MA2_o
0.2 Koinanbe

Cool :thumb001:

axlredneck
10-25-2024, 08:41 AM
Voila! Our first Volga Bulgar (Burtas) basically!

axlredneck
10-26-2024, 05:35 PM
Burtas Bulgars brought these Balkan Y-lineages (under J-L283) to the Volga region:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y12000/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-FT195999/

They're associated with Mishar Tatars among Volga Tatars. Also found in Mordvins, who have some Burtas ancestry as well.

axlredneck
10-27-2024, 07:26 AM
Facial reconstruction of a Volga Bulgar
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPmYW_8WYAc0rax?format=jpg&name=900x900

axlredneck
10-27-2024, 06:40 PM
Facial reconstruction of Bulgar (VIII century) based on bone remains from the Malaya Ryazan I burial, Samara region
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGV19UJX0AAEaKo?format=jpg&name=900x900

Source (https://x.com/nrken19/status/1469710554226958338)

axlredneck
10-30-2024, 05:36 PM
Mordvin Y-lineages from Burtas/Mishars

Anatolian
https://yfull.com/tree/J-Y24510/
https://yfull.com/tree/J-Y592111/

Balkan
https://yfull.com/tree/E-A24070/
https://yfull.com/tree/J-FT195999/
https://yfull.com/tree/J-Y12000/
https://yfull.com/tree/R-CTS1450/

Caucasus
https://yfull.com/tree/G-Z7941/
https://yfull.com/tree/G-Y181188/

Turkic
https://yfull.com/tree/R-S23592/

axlredneck
11-03-2024, 09:46 AM
Mordvin Y-lineages from Burtas/Mishars

Turkic
https://yfull.com/tree/J-Y15603/