Mainland Greeks are closer to Swiss Italians than to Calabrians

[Sunil]

Distance to: Greek_Achaea
0.03214916 Swiss_Italian
0.03734323 Italian_Calabria

Distance to: Greek_Arcadia
0.03535344 Swiss_Italian
0.03835133 Italian_Calabria

Distance to: Greek_Argolis
0.03493900 Swiss_Italian
0.03701608 Italian_Calabria

Distance to: Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02873253 Swiss_Italian
0.04921013 Italian_Calabria

Distance to: Greek_Corinthia
0.03430111 Swiss_Italian
0.03641136 Italian_Calabria

Distance to: Greek_Deep_Mani
0.01448670 Italian_Calabria
0.05636800 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.03904979 Swiss_Italian
0.06525944 Italian_Calabria

Distance to: Greek_East_Taygetos
0.03156822 Italian_Calabria
0.03673669 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_Elis
0.03431867 Swiss_Italian
0.03581421 Italian_Calabria

Distance to: Greek_Laconia
0.03065644 Italian_Calabria
0.03850399 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_Macedonia
0.03206533 Swiss_Italian
0.04947537 Italian_Calabria

Distance to: Greek_Messenia
0.03365955 Swiss_Italian
0.03855159 Italian_Calabria

Distance to: Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.03065507 Italian_Calabria
0.04123304 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.02438036 Italian_Calabria
0.04376284 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_Thessaly
0.02587191 Swiss_Italian
0.04312429 Italian_Calabria

Distance to: Greek_West_Taygetos
0.03172543 Swiss_Italian
0.04055115 Italian_Calabria

Distance to: Greek_Peloponnese
0.03483603 Swiss_Italian
0.03530046 Italian_Calabria

[cass]

This generally requires investigation as to whether this is a native population dating back to Ötzi or a much later Anatolian and later probably Mycenaean migration into Illyria and the Alpine region.


Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia1:PRU001__BC_2381__Cov _44.34%,0.130897,0.156392,0.02753,-0.008398,0.043085,-0.007251,-0.001645,0.000231,0.009613,0.039545,0.004222,0.004 796,-0.012042,-0.003303,-0.006922,0.006895,0.009779,0.000887,0.010684,-0.005878,-0.005116,0.012613,0.005546,0.001446,-0.007065

Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia2:KOP001__BC_2300__Cov _39.11%,0.126344,0.144205,0.058077,0.029716,0.0378 53,0.003347,0.00846,0.003461,0.01268,0.013668,0.00 0812,0.008393,-0.011893,-0.017616,0.005565,0.005038,0.00665,0.014189,0.0026 4,-0.005503,0.000998,0.000495,0.003451,-0.00253,0

Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia2:HOP004__BC_2272__Cov _68.82%,0.12862,0.149283,0.045632,0.004845,0.04800 9,-0.008088,-0.000235,-0.002308,0.01943,0.0277,-0.00065,0.003297,-0.014123,-0.01101,-0.011129,0.006762,0.024382,0.006714,-0.000377,0.009755,0.000374,-0.001237,-0.005176,-0.005422,0.002515


Certainly the Alpine region has very low levels of WHG.

[Angry Moose]

Mainland Greece was heavily repopulated by Slavs, Aromanians, and Albanians. The Deep Mani have a different story they are still predominantly descended from Roman era Greeks. Tsakonians also still have a pretty large proportion of Roman era Greek ancestry not as much as Deep Mani.

Mainland Greece went under a series of natural disasters, invasions, urban decay, and plague.

[Flashball]

Swiss Italians are more Tuscans shifted, that's why

[Angry Moose]

Ya some Terronis also immigrated to Switzerland
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_immigration_to_Switzerland

[Sunil]

This generally requires investigation as to whether this is a native population dating back to Ötzi or a much later Anatolian and later probably Mycenaean migration into Illyria and the Alpine region.


Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia1:PRU001__BC_2381__Cov _44.34%,0.130897,0.156392,0.02753,-0.008398,0.043085,-0.007251,-0.001645,0.000231,0.009613,0.039545,0.004222,0.004 796,-0.012042,-0.003303,-0.006922,0.006895,0.009779,0.000887,0.010684,-0.005878,-0.005116,0.012613,0.005546,0.001446,-0.007065

Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia2:KOP001__BC_2300__Cov _39.11%,0.126344,0.144205,0.058077,0.029716,0.0378 53,0.003347,0.00846,0.003461,0.01268,0.013668,0.00 0812,0.008393,-0.011893,-0.017616,0.005565,0.005038,0.00665,0.014189,0.0026 4,-0.005503,0.000998,0.000495,0.003451,-0.00253,0

Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia2:HOP004__BC_2272__Cov _68.82%,0.12862,0.149283,0.045632,0.004845,0.04800 9,-0.008088,-0.000235,-0.002308,0.01943,0.0277,-0.00065,0.003297,-0.014123,-0.01101,-0.011129,0.006762,0.024382,0.006714,-0.000377,0.009755,0.000374,-0.001237,-0.005176,-0.005422,0.002515


Certainly the Alpine region has very low levels of WHG.

Ignorant people think that South Italy and Greece are the same. These ignorant people are shocked when they see that Greece is genetically closer to Aryans than South Italy

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0fRvo3WcAA7gsX.jpg

[Vid Flumina]

Swiss Italians are more Tuscans shifted, that's why

Same with the liguro-tuscanoid 'Piedmontese' on G25 but we know many of these samples have been randomly collected from blood banks with no background check ; some averages will inevitably be more broken than others depending on sampling location and migration patterns.

Story is a bit different when each samples genealogy is taken into account (Peterski or Lucas must have a more updated version of this somewhere but you should get an idea) :

https://i2.wp.com/mpbritt.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/K36-PCA-with-AncestryDNA-Data.png

Swiss Italians sit exactly where you would expect, between Aostans and Lombards but closer to the former if anything.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Mainland Greeks are closer to Swiss Italians than to Calabrians

Actually, no. What you're seeing is a result of the fact that the Italian Swiss G25 average consists of only three individuals who, while not originally from Italian Switzerland, have ancestry from other parts of Italy. As Vid Flumina correctly pointed out, this issue extends to other averages as well, such as the Piedmontese average, which originates from a border region with Liguria and Emilia and does not accurately represent the broader Piedmont area. However, the amateur averages from Eurogenes K13 show that only "Greek_Florina" is closer to Italian Switzerland, while the other Greek samples are more similar to Calabria.


Distance to: Greek_Florina
18.76567878 Swiss_Italian
19.95356860 Italian_Calabria

Distance to: Greek_Thessaly
15.53702352 Italian_Calabria
19.41086551 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_Laconia_Karitsa
13.86768546 Italian_Calabria
19.67833580 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_Euboea_South
12.96565077 Italian_Calabria
20.21195438 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_Epirus
15.45483096 Italian_Calabria
20.95857342 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_Arcadia
13.75961845 Italian_Calabria
21.12887361 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_CentralMacedonia
16.14534298 Italian_Calabria
21.36099483 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_Lefkada
10.44678419 Italian_Calabria
21.59403853 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_Thrace
19.48157591 Italian_Calabria
21.77659753 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_Laconia
12.15490436 Italian_Calabria
21.96928083 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_Messenia
12.18128893 Italian_Calabria
22.20046846 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_Peloponnese
12.42698676 Italian_Calabria
22.20784996 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_West
16.04914951 Italian_Calabria
22.37098567 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: Greek_Achaea
14.63375208 Italian_Calabria
22.72658135 Swiss_Italian

[Kenshiro]

On G25 me too in reality and i'm Apulian
Distance to: Kenshiro_scaled
0.03678288 North_&_Central_Italy:Swiss_Italian
0.04098575 South_Italy:Italian_Calabria_(Calabrian)
But i have a really strange connection with the sample Logkas 04
Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 1.3099% / 0.01309870 | ADC: 0.25x RC
30.0 Illyria:HRV_MBA:I4332
23.0 South_Balkans:GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
9.8 Caucasus:Colchian_Caucasian
9.0 Aegan:GRC_Mycenaean:I9010
7.6 South_Balkans:TUR_IA_low_res:MA2197
7.6 South_Balkans:GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
7.4 Anatolian:Anatolia_IA:MA2198
3.4 Egypt:Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian:SFI-44
2.2 South_Balkans:BGR_IA:I5769