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axlredneck
12-01-2024, 12:56 PM
https://youtu.be/4HETx_Ov9N8


The Abdals are a largely Turkish-speaking ethnic group found in Anatolia and parts of the Balkans and Syria, who follow an itinerant lifestyle. This lifestyle is closely connected with the activity of music making at weddings and circumcision parties. Other occupations associated with the Abdal include tinning, basket making and sieve manufacture.

The three most remarkable characteristics of the group are its close relationship with the Alevi sect, its use of a secret language (Abdoltili/Teberce) or argot and its wide distribution.
axlredneck
12-01-2024, 12:57 PM
https://i.ibb.co/XDXp1sC/IMG-20241201-174825.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/gzHvxxx/IMG-20241201-174837.jpg
axlredneck
12-01-2024, 12:59 PM
Abdal_Turkey_2,0.0921965,0.101553,-0.0456315,-0.030039,-0.019542,-0.0126895,0.001175,-0.0036925,-0.0049085,0.0066515,0.0,-0.001049,0.0015605,0.00172,-0.0073965,0.0055025,0.0068455,0.007918,0.001948,-0.0038145,-0.003993,-0.002535,-0.0043135,-0.0066875,-0.0020355
Anatolian,0.10414478,0.1464876,-0.039472,-0.05616107,-0.01280598,-0.02232039,-0.00270748,-0.00536711,-0.00786236,0.00649543,0.00186775,-0.00220174,0.00433874,0.00332697,-0.00896494,0.00786055,0.00513846,0.00871497,0.0038 1054,-0.00521028,-0.00431564,-0.00379899,-0.00787685,-0.00972433,-0.00183941
Turkish,0.0994812,0.0609318,-0.0147078,-0.0312664,-0.0189572,-0.0099284,0.005546,-0.000277,-0.0164846,0.000729,-0.0018188,0.0029076,-0.0038354,-0.0006334,-0.0074376,0.0074782,0.013899,-0.0002786,0.0015082,-0.002151,-0.004517,0.0008408,0.0001478,0.0005784,0.0024428
Romani,0.0485647,-0.0670247,-0.147957,0.115958,-0.0750907,0.064424,0.0008617,0.0097687,0.0400187,0 .021929,-0.0068743,0.001149,-0.0019327,-0.0031193,0,-0.0111817,-0.0004347,-0.00114,-0.000545,0.000667,0.0019133,-0.002473,0.006491,-0.0047797,-0.013971
Ju_hoan_North,-0.616466,0.0601194,0.0211942,0.028424,0.0025852,-0.0038486,0.2541404,-0.199192,0.0240112,0.007909,0.0032478,-0.0723558,-0.0255104,0.00867,0.0283928,-0.0321662,0.0461558,0.4102178,-0.1364076,0.003877,-0.0556018,-0.0051686,0.0126206,-0.0044826,0.0028978
Papuan,-0.0436593,-0.2403904,-0.2615062,0.3066666,0.2086104,-0.5099715,0.0001175,0.0060492,-0.0425703,-0.0116762,-0.0167608,0.0006529,0.0024104,-0.0026737,0.0010275,-0.0015155,-0.0020024,-0.0012037,-0.0007092,-0.0042163,0.0017379,0.0031355,0.0009771,0.0001549, 0.0026174
https://i.ibb.co/km5FnfJ/IMG-20241201-184753.png
axlredneck
12-01-2024, 01:01 PM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHdS2_11cKDMV_ZIxCK12iGxaf1yA_i ZgPRFWM5TsttUmspnSGBkspptSv&s=10

Haplogroups H & L are Proto-Romani.
axlredneck
12-01-2024, 01:12 PM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHdS2_11cKDMV_ZIxCK12iGxaf1yA_i ZgPRFWM5TsttUmspnSGBkspptSv&s=10

Haplogroups H & L are Proto-Romani.

If haplogroups H & L are ignored, the Y-DNA is remarkably similar to Turks.

Turks from Kahramanmaras:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_86e5dChtZMEkTVQaDCiI_ZKhCzylR aKzhw&usqp=CAU

Anatolian Turkish Y-DNA (n=600)
(excludes Turks from East & NE Anatolia)

C 3.3%
E 7.5%
G2 10.5%
I1 2.9%
I2 3.3%
J1 8.6%
J2 18.4%
L 1.3%
Q 2.2%
N 12.5%
R1a 12.5%
R1b 12.2%
T 2.7%
G1 0.6%
R2 0.6%
O 0.6%
A 0.15%
H 0.15%
Voskos
12-01-2024, 01:25 PM
Target: vosk
Distance: 2.8649% / 0.02864857
76.0 Greek_Cyclades_Milos
20.4 Anatolian
3.0 Hungarian
0.4 Papuan
0.2 Ju_hoan_North
0.0 Abdal_Turkey_2
0.0 Romani
0.0 Turkish
axlredneck
12-01-2024, 01:33 PM
Turkish_Abdal:01,0.094473,0.110693,-0.044123,-0.037468,-0.020004,-0.017849,0.00047,-0.008077,-0.005931,0.006743,-0.001624,0.001948,-0.001933,0.004679,-0.006107,0.001989,-0.00352,0.009248,-0.003017,-0.006128,-0.002995,0.000247,-0.005176,-0.003615,-0.001437
Turkish_Abdal:02,0.08992,0.092413,-0.04714,-0.02261,-0.01908,-0.00753,0.00188,0.000692,-0.003886,0.00656,0.001624,-0.004046,0.005054,-0.001239,-0.008686,0.009016,0.017211,0.006588,0.006913,-0.001501,-0.004991,-0.005317,-0.003451,-0.00976,-0.002634

Turkish Abdal 01 & 02 are son and father.
Their Y-DNA is H-Z5875 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/H-Z5875/). They'll probably end up under H-BY47158 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/H-BY47158/).
https://i.ibb.co/YttTD3J/IMG-20241201-200139.jpg
axlredneck
12-01-2024, 01:35 PM
Target: vosk
Distance: 2.8649% / 0.02864857
76.0 Greek_Cyclades_Milos
20.4 Anatolian
3.0 Hungarian
0.4 Papuan
0.2 Ju_hoan_North
0.0 Abdal_Turkey_2
0.0 Romani
0.0 Turkish

You're from the Aegean islands?
Voskos
12-01-2024, 01:38 PM
You're from the Aegean islands?


yeah 3 generations back verified.nice thread.
axlredneck
12-01-2024, 01:40 PM
yeah 3 generations back verified.nice thread.

Thanks :)
axlredneck
12-01-2024, 03:38 PM
A Gypsy from Western Turkey (scientific)

Y-DNA: I-BY191770 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-BY191770//)
mtDNA: M5a1b1a2 (https://www.yfull.com/mtree/M5a1b1a2/)

https://i.ibb.co/qxSJHPj/IMG-20241201-215844.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/YpfNYH5/IMG-20241201-215711.jpg


Roma_Turkey:SRS8752619,16.57,0,1.08,2.16,13.51,10. 61,20.03,0,7.07,0,28.96,0
Anatolian,8.361975562,-0.255478615,2.167657841,0.187454177,25.77482688,17 .88855397,0.560610999,0,11.03291242,-0.221262729,34.49564156,0
Georgian,19.55,0.64,0.08,0.16,4.36,9.32,0.30,0,5.7 9,0.29,59.49,0
Romani,33.33,0.00,0.00,1.40,0.00,0.00,61.66,0.00,2 .00,0.20,1.40,0.00
Indian_Tribal,0.00,0.00,0.00,31.00,0.00,0.00,69.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
axlredneck
12-17-2024, 12:17 PM
Target: vosk
Distance: 2.8649% / 0.02864857
76.0 Greek_Cyclades_Milos
20.4 Anatolian
3.0 Hungarian
0.4 Papuan
0.2 Ju_hoan_North
0.0 Abdal_Turkey_2
0.0 Romani
0.0 Turkish

Can you share your Dodecad K12b result and G25 coordinates, here or in PM?