View Full Version : Bridging the Nordic gap: What the 1st-century Goths can tell us about the Bronze Age
Athalafuns
12-01-2024, 06:34 PM
As we all know, the Scandinavian extension of the Corded Ware came to be known as the Battle Axe Culture, in the Chalcolithic era. Its genetics reflect that early stage of Indo-European conquests:
Target: Sweden_BattleAxe.SG:RISE94_noUDG.SG__BC_2537__Cov_ 51.99%
Distance: 3.0430% / 0.03043006
62.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
27.8 TUR_Barcin_N
9.2 WHG
0.8 Gambian
Later, a certain Central European wave would merge with this Battle Axe stratum to give rise to the Nordic Bronze Age. This has been argued by several researchers, with more than suggestive archaeological data. But the Wielbark Goths will tell us something much more interesting.
We have at our disposal 43 samples of the non-mixed early Goths (https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2023/11/wielbark-goths-were-overwhelmingly-of.html), from the time when they left Scandinavia to settle in present-day Poland. They are probably the best resource we have today to study Germanic ethnogenesis in depth. Generally speaking they constitute a fairly homogeneous group, and most overlap with modern Swedes. But let us look at some preliminary divergences before getting into the subject.
The Yamnaya component of these Goths ranges between 56% and 47%, but the majority falls between 54% and 49%.
Their Neolithic component ranges between 35.6% and 27.4%, but the majority falls between 34% and 29%.
Finally, their WHG component ranges between 21.6% and 11%, but the majority falls between 19% and 13%.
This alone could give us some clue in advance, but by subjecting these Goths to the 2600BC-2400BC model (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?389690-2600BC-2400BC-model-the-birth-of-BB) (precisely the Battle Axe context) we observe that only 10 of them show blood ties with the Scandinavian BAC. On the contrary, it is verified that the greatest genetic load of the Goths came from post-Corded Czechia/Poland and Switzerland/Germany, with interesting contributions from Fatyanovo especially in individuals with greater Czech/Polish ancestry. This means a few things:
I. The Nordic Bronze Age was a Second Wave of Indo-European conquest of Scandinavia, replacing the earlier Corded population known as Battle Axe Culture. Not a mere influence, nor a combination, but a replacement.
II. The causes of such repopulation should perhaps be sought in the East. Given that there are Fatyanovo genes, we could hypothesize a second inter-Corded movement in an East-Central direction, causing populations from as far as present-day Switzerland to emigrate en masse to southern Sweden.
III. The linguistic and racial segregation of the pre-Proto-Celtic and pre-Proto-Germanic groups would have occurred at that time, probably around 1700BC, which is when the Nordic Bronze Age clearly began. By the time of the Battle of Tollense Valley (1300BC) this distinction was already perceptible even politically on a large scale, as our forum colleague elucidated (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?389875-Tollense-valley-battlefield-mystery-solved).
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An even more interesting addendum. Among the few Goths who present the old genetic substrate of the Battle Axe Culture, one of them has it up to 61.6%, which is a lot considering what has been said. In addition, he does not show anything of the "classic" Czechia/Poland and Switzerland/Germany groups. Still, he overlaps with modern Swedes and does not clash with the rest of the Goths in the Davidski test. This, in my opinion, may mean either caste isolation, or an inter-Scandinavian emigration as part of the Gothic ethnogenesis, from a latitude that had not been so notably replaced by the Second Indo-European Wave that we analyzed here.
https://i.postimg.cc/yxByDJjG/Screenshot-2024-11-29-at-19-32-27-Vahaduo-Admixture-JS-22-05.png (https://postimg.cc/njRD5h6K)
To understand this phenomenon, I would focus on the period earlier than the Urnfield, between 2000-1500 BC, and in particular 2000-1700 BC. In my opinion, we were dealing with a period of differentiation and expansion of the Unetice population to Scandinavia and Poland (>Trzciniec). In Scandinavia they found the first phase population represented by Sweden_Late_N.SG:oll009_noUDG.SG__BC_1837__Cov_38. 57%.
Below are the closest samples to the Goths from Weklice.
Distance to: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R11391.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_38.00%
0.03474450 Denmark_BA_Strøby_Ladeplads:NEO93__BC_1788__Cov_un known
0.03624528 Wales_C_EBA:I1775__BC_1613__Cov_35.10%
0.03721002 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU059__BC_1955__Cov_61.01%
0.03774551 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB052__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.03860515 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I13470__BC_1993__Cov_72.40%
0.03905978 England_BellBeaker:LUT1__BC_1533__Cov_87.74%
0.03957688 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
0.03972416 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7958__BC_2000__Cov_74.70%
0.04052210 Sweden_N_Sillvik:NEO261__BC_1945__Cov_unknown
0.04139934 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB031__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
0.04173960 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO228__BC_1891__Cov_unknown
0.04191239 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB058__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04204152 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1007__BC_1787__Cov_52.60%
0.04216090 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15644__BC_2000__Cov_62.98%
0.04281478 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI042__BC_1824__Cov_19.14%
0.04333583 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7962__BC_2000__Cov_76.75%
0.04345950 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB063__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04359206 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI047__BC_1850__Cov_43.41%
0.04392576 Netherlands_BellBeaker:I4075__BC_2000__Cov_66.87%
0.04519706 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI045__BC_1993__Cov_56.13%
0.04522338 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB072__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.04528967 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath1_noUDG.SG__BC_1947__Cov_99.89%
0.04552669 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB079__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04633927 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS005__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
0.04643763 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB047__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
Distance to: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R10636.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_56.81%
0.03464850 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB034__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.03710135 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.03723084 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB087__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.03752959 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB046__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03775441 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB072__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.03853657 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath1_noUDG.SG__BC_1947__Cov_99.89%
0.03929107 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB040__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04002476 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1007__BC_1787__Cov_52.60%
0.04025501 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB045__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04040553 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
0.04099492 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
0.04114397 England_C_EBA:I7570__BC_1619__Cov_66.09%
0.04170591 Czechia_Unetice_C:MIB003__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.04206241 Denmark_BA_Strøby_Ladeplads:NEO93__BC_1788__Cov_un known
0.04220929 Wales_C_EBA:I1775__BC_1613__Cov_35.10%
0.04221202 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS002__BC_1933__Cov_74.54%
0.04228704 Scotland_C_EBA:I3132__BC_1977__Cov_65.82%
0.04241932 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO224__BC_1969__Cov_unknown
0.04318739 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14186__BC_1900__Cov_50.79%
0.04350599 Netherlands_BellBeaker:I4076__BC_1813__Cov_37.86%
0.04355085 Poland_Strzyżów_EBA:poz230__BC_1889__Cov_38.38%
0.04358352 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_6__BC_1923__Cov_81.22%
0.04383473 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7958__BC_2000__Cov_74.70%
0.04405494 Sweden_N_Sillvik:NEO261__BC_1945__Cov_unknown
0.04416791 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB031__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
Distance to: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R10634.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_60.11%
0.02763614 Sweden_N_Sillvik:NEO261__BC_1945__Cov_unknown
0.02946619 Denmark_BA_Strøby_Ladeplads:NEO93__BC_1788__Cov_un known
0.03247246 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
0.03249866 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.03263405 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB045__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03278972 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1007__BC_1787__Cov_52.60%
0.03358295 Wales_C_EBA:I1775__BC_1613__Cov_35.10%
0.03360058 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS002__BC_1933__Cov_74.54%
0.03371610 England_C_EBA:I7570__BC_1619__Cov_66.09%
0.03393036 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO228__BC_1891__Cov_unknown
0.03397358 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB072__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.03410166 England_C_EBA:I7573__BC_1570__Cov_61.60%
0.03436235 England_BellBeaker:LUT1__BC_1533__Cov_87.74%
0.03452087 Sweden_Late_N.SG:oll009_noUDG.SG__BC_1837__Cov_38. 57%
0.03478805 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_6__BC_1923__Cov_81.22%
0.03520474 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB031__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
0.03531002 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
0.03546581 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB034__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.03563938 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7958__BC_2000__Cov_74.70%
0.03572978 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS005__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
0.03621439 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0115__BC_1865__Cov_31.74%
0.03686333 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB087__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.03716885 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath1_noUDG.SG__BC_1947__Cov_99.89%
0.03770692 Scotland_C_EBA:I3132__BC_1977__Cov_65.82%
0.03798854 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15644__BC_2000__Cov_62.98%
Distance to: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R10633.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_61.62%
0.03819855 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7960__BC_2000__Cov_73.80%
0.03851231 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO225__BC_1798__Cov_unknown
0.03851882 France_GrandEst_EBA.SG:OBE3626-1.SG__BC_1824__Cov_23.82%
0.03875615 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB040__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04086554 Sweden_Megalithic_Nästegården_LN:NAS004__BC_1690__ Cov_66.18%
0.04095988 England_C_EBA:I2602__BC_1812__Cov_54.66%
0.04197431 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath3_noUDG.SG__BC_1630__Cov_49.23%
0.04206973 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB048__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04219941 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO226__BC_1811__Cov_unknown
0.04248457 England_C_EBA:I16400__BC_1950__Cov_38.79%
0.04258945 England_C_EBA:I2421__BC_1840__Cov_33.62%
0.04290511 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO227__BC_1974__Cov_unknown
0.04305729 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB005__BC_1817__Cov_34.47%
0.04401284 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.04428990 Netherlands_EBA:I4071__BC_1767__Cov_67.21%
0.04434445 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15825__BC_1900__Cov_43.11%
0.04496365 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0115__BC_1865__Cov_31.74%
0.04547206 England_BellBeaker:I1770__BC_2000__Cov_41.99%
0.04562882 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB054__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04578993 Czechia_Unetice_C:MIB002__BC_1815__Cov_60.26%
0.04607203 Czechia_EBA:I4892__BC_1804__Cov_70.23%
0.04642209 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I13469__BC_1995__Cov_69.96%
0.04661531 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB087__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04666944 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7959__BC_2000__Cov_73.62%
0.04676663 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB046__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
Distance to: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R10631.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_44.50%
0.02437427 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.02849765 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB087__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.02866027 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_6__BC_1923__Cov_81.22%
0.02871908 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB034__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.02887190 England_C_EBA:I7570__BC_1619__Cov_66.09%
0.02894106 Wales_C_EBA:I1775__BC_1613__Cov_35.10%
0.02967952 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS002__BC_1933__Cov_74.54%
0.02970926 Netherlands_EBA:I4070__BC_1753__Cov_59.45%
0.03068766 Scotland_C_EBA:I3132__BC_1977__Cov_65.82%
0.03106724 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB031__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
0.03236486 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO228__BC_1891__Cov_unknown
0.03311374 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
0.03323472 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
0.03371114 England_BellBeaker:LUT1__BC_1533__Cov_87.74%
0.03376606 Scotland_C_EBA:I2981__BC_1761__Cov_68.50%
0.03414133 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0115__BC_1865__Cov_31.74%
0.03424722 Czechia_Unetice_C:MIB003__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.03428067 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14186__BC_1900__Cov_50.79%
0.03451525 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath1_noUDG.SG__BC_1947__Cov_99.89%
0.03460761 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0047__BC_1973__Cov_67.61%
0.03483076 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1007__BC_1787__Cov_52.60%
0.03494481 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB084__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03494570 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO225__BC_1798__Cov_unknown
0.03496561 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB072__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.03499904 Sweden_Late_N.SG:oll009_noUDG.SG__BC_1837__Cov_38. 57%
Distance to: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R10626.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_50.85%
0.03195355 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO228__BC_1891__Cov_unknown
0.03317419 Sweden_Late_N.SG:oll009_noUDG.SG__BC_1837__Cov_38. 57%
0.03475600 Sweden_N_Sillvik:NEO261__BC_1945__Cov_unknown
0.03554862 Denmark_BA_Strøby_Ladeplads:NEO93__BC_1788__Cov_un known
0.03577712 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
0.03579067 Wales_C_EBA:I1775__BC_1613__Cov_35.10%
0.03584528 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath1_noUDG.SG__BC_1947__Cov_99.89%
0.03621212 England_C_EBA:I7570__BC_1619__Cov_66.09%
0.03625518 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB045__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03662823 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.03668453 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO224__BC_1969__Cov_unknown
0.03678734 England_C_EBA:I18606__BC_1820__Cov_57.92%
0.03724187 Sweden_Megalithic_Nästegården_LN:NAS004__BC_1690__ Cov_66.18%
0.03733414 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
0.03753382 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO225__BC_1798__Cov_unknown
0.03825647 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS002__BC_1933__Cov_74.54%
0.03908552 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB079__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03909207 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14191__BC_1900__Cov_61.38%
0.03915053 England_C_EBA:I5377__BC_1808__Cov_71.13%
0.03960582 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB031__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
0.03999241 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB082__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04015269 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0115__BC_1865__Cov_31.74%
0.04022770 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14186__BC_1900__Cov_50.79%
0.04063006 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB034__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04066749 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I13470__BC_1993__Cov_72.40%
Distance to: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R10625.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_55.73%
0.03956014 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB040__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04146592 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO227__BC_1974__Cov_unknown
0.04190854 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7960__BC_2000__Cov_73.80%
0.04230752 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO226__BC_1811__Cov_unknown
0.04324953 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO225__BC_1798__Cov_unknown
0.04525931 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB048__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04558145 France_GrandEst_EBA.SG:OBE3626-1.SG__BC_1824__Cov_23.82%
0.04605514 Denmark_N_Gammellung:NEO934__BC_1884__Cov_unknown
0.04610552 Czechia_EBA:I4892__BC_1804__Cov_70.23%
0.04637919 Poland_Trzciniec_MBA:poz709__BC_1597__Cov_20.02%
0.04680748 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB005__BC_1817__Cov_34.47%
0.04775817 Sweden_LN.SG:RISE97_noUDG.SG__BC_1945__Cov_48.75%
0.04817486 Sweden_Megalithic_Nästegården_LN:NAS004__BC_1690__ Cov_66.18%
0.04830446 Sweden_Late_N.SG:oll010_noUDG.SG__BC_1754__Cov_13. 01%
0.04831818 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB087__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04864043 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.04884104 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1006__BC_1918__Cov_63.63%
0.04890071 Czechia_Unetice_C:MIB002__BC_1815__Cov_60.26%
0.04919325 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1010__BC_1956__Cov_39.82%
0.04929164 Hungary_Fuzesabony_MBA:I20750__BC_1950__Cov_42.70%
0.04952576 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB054__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04962355 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS002__BC_1933__Cov_74.54%
0.04987613 England_C_EBA:I2602__BC_1812__Cov_54.66%
0.04987868 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath3_noUDG.SG__BC_1630__Cov_49.23%
0.05009856 Netherlands_EBA:I4071__BC_1767__Cov_67.21%
vs modern Swedish
Distance to: Swedish
0.02235066 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.02337571 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS002__BC_1933__Cov_74.54%
0.02685045 England_C_EBA:I7570__BC_1619__Cov_66.09%
0.02712630 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB045__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.02734081 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
0.02822502 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_6__BC_1923__Cov_81.22%
0.02824598 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB034__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.02827180 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB087__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.02835256 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB072__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.02849873 Denmark_BA_Strøby_Ladeplads:NEO93__BC_1788__Cov_un known
0.02913672 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB031__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
0.02971707 Wales_C_EBA:I1775__BC_1613__Cov_35.10%
0.03115735 Scotland_C_EBA:I3132__BC_1977__Cov_65.82%
0.03159179 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14186__BC_1900__Cov_50.79%
0.03241132 Netherlands_EBA:I4070__BC_1753__Cov_59.45%
0.03263924 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB040__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03264982 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO228__BC_1891__Cov_unknown
0.03267147 Sweden_Megalithic_Nästegården_LN:NAS004__BC_1690__ Cov_66.18%
0.03272046 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB082__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03275310 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0115__BC_1865__Cov_31.74%
0.03290842 Scotland_C_EBA:I2981__BC_1761__Cov_68.50%
0.03296132 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7958__BC_2000__Cov_74.70%
0.03300397 Sweden_Late_N.SG:oll009_noUDG.SG__BC_1837__Cov_38. 57%
0.03301636 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO225__BC_1798__Cov_unknown
0.03332097 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath1_noUDG.SG__BC_1947__Cov_99.89%
IMO this is a set of the closest Germanic samples from this period.
Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB040__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%,0. 125205,0.119832,0.06939,0.067507,0.032621,0.024263 ,0.00188,0.004384,0.000614,-0.012574,-0.006171,-0.003597,-0.005203,-0.003441,0.017236,0.017502,0.012778,-0.002154,0.004777,0.006503,0.011355,-0.000371,-0.00037,0.002169,0.010658
Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU059__BC_1955__Cov_61.01%,0. 135449,0.122879,0.058454,0.0646,0.029544,0.027889, 0.00611,0.009923,-0.007976,-0.018588,-0.002598,-0.000749,-0.003717,-0.010872,0.019951,-0.005569,-0.026338,-0.002027,0.001131,-0.001251,0.004243,0.016322,0.006532,0.010724,-0.00479
Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB034__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%,0. 125205,0.122879,0.067505,0.067184,0.028621,0.02286 9,0.004935,0.002538,-0.004704,-0.012392,-0.011367,0.0003,0.000149,-0.015414,0.019544,0.007027,-0.006128,0.001267,-0.00088,0.008879,-0.000998,0.002349,-0.001109,0.009037,-0.004191
Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%,0. 126344,0.138112,0.057322,0.057171,0.028621,0.01924 3,0.00188,0.006923,-0.001432,-0.009112,-0.006008,0.006444,-0.001635,-0.003991,0.015201,0.008486,-0.004042,0.003674,0.006411,0.004127,0.001996,0.005 317,-0.00419,0.010001,0.001557
Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7960__BC_2000__Cov_73.80%,0.1 26344,0.125926,0.064865,0.069445,0.03139,0.015897, 0.000235,0.004384,0.002454,-0.010752,0.002436,-0.001049,-0.004757,-0.019542,0.020629,0.021214,0.013821,-0.004814,-0.00176,0.008379,0.012228,0.004822,-0.008134,-0.005061,-0.003353
Sweden_Late_N.SG:oll009_noUDG.SG__BC_1837__Cov_38. 57%,0.132035,0.133034,0.068259,0.061693,0.0397,0.0 16733,0.001645,0.004846,0.005727,0.002551,0.00341, 0.009292,-0.009068,0.00055,0.027958,0.010209,-0.015255,0.012669,0.002263,0.002376,0.006863,-0.007296,-0.008381,0.004699,-0.002994
Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%,0. 133173,0.127957,0.062602,0.059109,0.028005,0.02733 1,-0.000705,0.001385,-0.005522,-0.009841,-0.007145,0.01169,-0.007433,-0.004266,0.026465,-0.008088,-0.010561,-0.002154,-0.004525,0.006378,0.007362,0.006554,-0.000123,0.009881,-0.000599
https://i.ibb.co/TRrKW52/Zrzut-ekranu-1-12-2024-2320-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://ibb.co/FJnsHt3)
set 2000-1500BC
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yUI1T8oLnnYIEGJa7h-raekUaOErvfnM/view?usp=sharing
Athalafuns
12-01-2024, 10:20 PM
set 2000-1500BC
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yUI1T8oLnnYIEGJa7h-raekUaOErvfnM/view?usp=sharing
Germany_Lech_EBA before the Nordic Bronze Age (pre-Celto-Germanic distinction)
Distance to: Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_6__BC_1923__Cov_81.22%
0.02194412 Orcadian
0.02323087 Norwegian
0.02399114 Scottish
0.02512748 Danish
Germany_Lech_EBA at the beginning of the Nordic Bronze Age (Celto-Germanic distinction)
Distance to: Germany_Lech_EBA:AITI_119__BC_1797__Cov_45.56%
0.03769728 French_Paris
0.03818126 BelgianB
0.03837929 Swiss_French
0.03930085 French_Pas-de-Calais
I would say that here we see the result of the great emigration to Scandinavia that would found the proto-Germanic nation, together with the Únětice branch. On the contrary, those who remained around southern Germany became Celts later.
I would consider these samples to be Celtic. If you have another idea, please tell me. I think that their ethnogenesis was slightly different than that of the Germanic people.
CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG,0.125964,0.1475903, 0.046386,0.022287,0.0345703,0.0062287,-0.0014883,0.0039997,0.0067493,0.0169477,-0.0036267,-0.0024977,-0.0159563,-0.009771,0.0109027,0.0034033,-0.0076927,0.0003377,0.000042,-0.0050023,-0.0031197,0.004369,-0.0009037,-0.006828,0.002395
CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2,0.1287625,0.137731,0.0 567565,0.0371046,0.0472395,0.0111555,0.00705,0.003 7211,0.0080278,0.0120731,-0.0042626,0.0085798,-0.0124504,-0.0081885,0.0133175,-0.003497,-0.0119789,0.0022646,0.0025454,0.0006565,0.0052252, 0.0057344,-0.0018178,-0.0004368,-0.0023051
I intentionally chose samples from before the Great Gallic War. Some are similar to Belgae, others to Central Celts.
Target: Celts:Poland_Gaski_IA_oEEF:PCA0012__BC_50__Cov_18. 40%
Distance: 2.7093% / 0.02709349
48.2 CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2
45.0 CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG
6.8 Sweden_Viking_Age_Gotland_(Norse_Profile)
In the period 2000-1500BC I can see a high correlation with the Balkan samples. Especially among the Central Celts.
Distance to: CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2
0.02543624 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros:I23212__BC_1950__Cov_72.52 %
0.02703184 Germany_Lech_EBA:AITI_2__BC_1803__Cov_64.47%
0.02721354 Switzerland_EBA_2:TU911_SX23__BC_1812__Cov_46.38%
0.02810471 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1009__BC_1944__Cov_54.10%
0.03216109 Germany_Lech_EBA:WEHR_1586_d__BC_1885__Cov_3.87%
0.03260507 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK24A.SG__BC_1950__Cov _66.68%
0.03356026 Serbia_BA_Maros:I23210__BC_1950__Cov_72.50%
0.03371838 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB026__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03373510 Germany_SouthernGermany_Singen_EBA:MX252__BC_1858_ _Cov_35.92%
0.03405693 Germany_SouthernGermany_Singen_EBA:MX257__BC_1792_ _Cov_34.89%
0.03406862 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_6__BC_1923__Cov_81.22%
0.03545663 Hungary_MBA_Vatya.SG:RISE484_noUDG.SG__BC_1750__Co v_14.20%
0.03587049 Germany_Lech_EBA:AITI_120__BC_1712__Cov_44.44%
0.03637777 Switzerland_EBA_2:TU907_SX20__BC_1626__Cov_54.26%
0.03637970 France_GrandEst_EBA_o.SG:RIX2.SG__BC_1650__Cov_17. 64%
0.03647069 France_GrandEst_EBA.SG:RIX4.SG__BC_1714__Cov_18.61 %
0.03685777 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14192__BC_1900__Cov_57.26%
0.03731043 England_C_EBA_highEEF:I2462__BC_1992__Cov_70.96%
0.03757990 Germany_Lech_EBA:AITI_50_noUDG__BC_1823__Cov_28.07 %
0.03761005 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14185__BC_1900__Cov_64.68%
0.03789890 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14191__BC_1900__Cov_61.38%
0.03815600 France_EBA:I10343__BC_1782__Cov_71.52%
0.03830238 France_EBA:I10342__BC_1778__Cov_80.34%
0.03871844 Serbia_BA_Maros:I23211__BC_1950__Cov_72.96%
0.03882768 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:PMI009__BC_1899__Cov_12.32%
Distance to: CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG
0.02239654 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros:I23212__BC_1950__Cov_72.52 %
0.02670522 Serbia_BA_Maros:I23210__BC_1950__Cov_72.50%
0.02756150 Serbia_BA_Maros:I23211__BC_1950__Cov_72.96%
0.02846829 France_EBA:I10348__BC_1692__Cov_69.61%
0.02926428 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB026__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.02936808 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1009__BC_1944__Cov_54.10%
0.03291070 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK29A.SG__BC_1950__Cov _80.23%
0.03324124 Croatia_MLBA:I18082__BC_1500__Cov_37.95%
0.03379483 Germany_Lech_EBA:AITI_98__BC_1655__Cov_28.81%
0.03387942 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK24A.SG__BC_1950__Cov _66.68%
0.03406560 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK32.SG__BC_1950__Cov_ 61.42%
0.03416649 Germany_SouthernGermany_Singen_EBA:MX252__BC_1858_ _Cov_35.92%
0.03487060 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK9B.SG__BC_1950__Cov_ 63.58%
0.03531308 France_EBA:I10343__BC_1782__Cov_71.52%
0.03550059 Germany_SouthernGermany_Singen_EBA:MX257__BC_1792_ _Cov_34.89%
0.03625448 Germany_Lech_EBA:AITI_120__BC_1712__Cov_44.44%
0.03657490 England_C_EBA_highEEF:I2462__BC_1992__Cov_70.96%
0.03663700 Hungary_MBA_Vatya.SG:RISE484_noUDG.SG__BC_1750__Co v_14.20%
0.03727744 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK25A.SG__BC_1950__Cov _72.15%
0.03760050 Switzerland_EBA_2:TU907_SX20__BC_1626__Cov_54.26%
0.03804378 Croatia_MBA_Cetina:I18752__BC_1800__Cov_50.60%
0.03858423 Germany_Lech_EBA:AITI_2__BC_1803__Cov_64.47%
0.03921286 Croatia_MLBA:I18072__BC_1500__Cov_35.94%
0.03924947 Croatia_MLBA:I18077__BC_1500__Cov_38.42%
0.03930835 Germany_Lech_EBA:WEHR_1586_d__BC_1885__Cov_3.87%
As if they were avoiding the Unetice complex. Or they spread over such a large area.
Athalafuns
12-02-2024, 12:38 AM
In the period 2000-1500BC I can see a high correlation with the Balkan samples. Especially among the Central Celts.
[...]
As if they were avoiding the Unetice complex.
These points are very interesting.
Target: CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG
Distance: 1.5628% / 0.01562842 | R3P
46.6 Ilirian_Brachycephalic_IA
36.6 BellBeaker
16.8 Mediterranean_c
Distance to: CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2
0.02543624 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros:I23212__BC_1950__Cov_72.52 %
0.02703184 Germany_Lech_EBA:AITI_2__BC_1803__Cov_64.47%
0.02721354 Switzerland_EBA_2:TU911_SX23__BC_1812__Cov_46.38%
Distance to: CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG
0.02239654 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros:I23212__BC_1950__Cov_72.52 %
0.02670522 Serbia_BA_Maros:I23210__BC_1950__Cov_72.50%
0.02756150 Serbia_BA_Maros:I23211__BC_1950__Cov_72.96%
0.02846829 France_EBA:I10348__BC_1692__Cov_69.61%
It seems that Danubian/Alpine EBA had an extension towards the Carpathian horizon.
https://i.postimg.cc/Zq3dSVD3/Captura.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
Tumulus later followed the same route. Probably related to commercial matters with the Aegean Bronze.
https://i.postimg.cc/LX2BQc6h/Captura.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
It seems that Germany could have been a very complex region, a dangerous border between the Nordoidal context and the pre-Proto-Celtic one. Not only in Tollense's time but a few centuries before as well. That would explain the fact that notable groups from that land on the Nordoid side went to southern Sweden (and probably more places). Celtics would then be mainly locals (southern-Germany-to-Switzerland-towards-Balkans, post-BB), and not a derivative or distant branch of Unetice.
It seems that Danubian/Alpine EBA had an extension towards the Carpathian horizon.
Note that the Serbian samples are older than the Swiss or French samples. This would suggest the sequence of events. But this is of course a thesis that needs to be checked before 2000BC.
As for anthropological simplifications, I will refrain from commenting. We do not know whether brachycephalization in the Bronze Age was endogemic or exogenous.
It seems that Germany could have been a very complex region, a dangerous border between the Nordoidal context and the pre-Proto-Celtic one.
Certainly, Unetice was a rather cruel population, practicing ritual murder and cananibalism.
Celtics would then be mainly locals (southern-Germany-to-Switzerland-towards-Balkans, post-BB), and not a derivative or distant branch of Unetice.
I think that this is a legitimate thesis that this is a population only partially related to Unetice.
Target: CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2
Distance: 1.3481% / 0.01348106 | ADC: 1x RC
30.8 Switzerland_EBA_2:TU911_SX23__BC_1812__Cov_46.38%
21.2 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros:I23212__BC_1950__Cov_72.52 %
17.6 Germany_Lech_EBA:AITI_2__BC_1803__Cov_64.47%
17.4 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK24A.SG__BC_1950__Cov _66.68%
13.0 Germany_Lech_EBA:WEHR_1586_d__BC_1885__Cov_3.87%
Target: CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG
Distance: 1.5426% / 0.01542581 | ADC: 1x RC
51.2 Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros:I23212__BC_1950__Cov_72.52 %
35.0 France_EBA:I10348__BC_1692__Cov_69.61%
13.8 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB026__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
In the footsteps of the Celts in the period 2500-2000BC
Distance to: CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2
0.01877611 England_EBA_highEEF:I12935__BC_2050__Cov_61.43%
0.02249700 France_EBA_BellBeaker:I3874__BC_2115__Cov_56.71%
0.02383566 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP001__BC_2290__Cov_81.88%
0.02470710 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1003__BC_2210__Cov_74.39%
0.02510288 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4891__BC_2181__Cov_71.64%
0.02600056 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I4887__BC_2121__Cov_69.60%
0.02736479 Czechia_EBA:I7196__BC_2300__Cov_61.33%
0.02752614 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I7210__BC_2121__Cov_63.61%
0.02823336 Germany_Lech_EBA:OBKR_80__BC_2050__Cov_62.93%
0.02836390 Germany_BellBeaker:I6624__BC_2250__Cov_54.19%
0.02909238 England_BellBeaker_highEEF:I1767__BC_2095__Cov_62. 18%
0.03003433 Spain_C_oSteppe:EHU001__BC_2171__Cov_46.55%
0.03017040 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4888__BC_2088__Cov_70.92%
0.03060710 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU052__BC_2050__Cov_61.87%
0.03077461 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1005__BC_2381__Cov_58.59%
0.03191655 Germany_BellBeaker:I0108__BC_2449__Cov_63.89%
0.03211421 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7290__BC_2250__Cov_69.16%
0.03228492 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU014__BC_2120__Cov_58.79%
0.03241629 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU016__BC_2087__Cov_57.87%
0.03244193 France_Paris_Basin_BellBeaker_LN:SMGB54__BC_2300__ Cov_88.11%
0.03322980 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4946__BC_2238__Cov_31.90%
0.03325551 Germany_BellBeaker:I6590__BC_2250__Cov_71.50%
0.03344895 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KNE003__BC_2021__Cov_67.72%
0.03370694 Germany_BellBeaker:I0113__BC_2196__Cov_50.89%
0.03372376 Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia2:KOP001__BC_2300__Cov _39.11%
Distance to: CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG
0.02589682 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4885__BC_2220__Cov_69.44%
0.03021169 Poland_Southeast_BellBeaker.SG:pcw260_noUDG.SG__BC _2287__Cov_65.88%
0.03056218 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4888__BC_2088__Cov_70.92%
0.03131114 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1005__BC_2381__Cov_58.59%
0.03248602 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I4887__BC_2121__Cov_69.60%
0.03309044 Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia2:KOP001__BC_2300__Cov _39.11%
0.03340496 Germany_BellBeaker:I0113__BC_2196__Cov_50.89%
0.03355651 England_EBA_highEEF:I12935__BC_2050__Cov_61.43%
0.03371113 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1003__BC_2210__Cov_74.39%
0.03379665 Germany_BellBeaker:I6591__BC_2250__Cov_70.77%
0.03443358 Spain_C_oSteppe:EHU001__BC_2171__Cov_46.55%
0.03484010 Serbia_BA_o:I16813__BC_2016__Cov_67.33%
0.03575897 Czechia_BellBeaker:KOP002__BC_2300__Cov_48.85%
0.03620187 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP001__BC_2290__Cov_81.88%
0.03650977 France_LaClape_LN_EMBA_BellBeakerPossible.SG:GBVPK .SG__BC_2386__Cov_58.17%
0.03673042 Germany_BellBeaker:I5529__BC_2300__Cov_38.55%
0.03696163 France_EBA_BellBeaker:I3874__BC_2115__Cov_56.71%
0.03713613 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4946__BC_2238__Cov_31.90%
0.03731727 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7275__BC_2250__Cov_60.23%
0.03759974 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:I5520__BC_2300__Cov_23.47%
0.03768771 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4896__BC_2213__Cov_70.01%
0.03804051 Germany_Lech_EBA_contam:POST_44__BC_2073__Cov_73.3 7%
0.03833014 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4891__BC_2181__Cov_71.64%
0.03882492 Poland_BellBeaker:I6581__BC_2278__Cov_53.56%
0.03972154 Czechia_EBA:I7196__BC_2300__Cov_61.33%
2250-2000BC
Distance to: CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2
0.01877611 England_EBA_highEEF:I12935__BC_2050__Cov_61.43%
0.02249700 France_EBA_BellBeaker:I3874__BC_2115__Cov_56.71%
0.02470710 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1003__BC_2210__Cov_74.39%
0.02510288 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4891__BC_2181__Cov_71.64%
0.02600056 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I4887__BC_2121__Cov_69.60%
0.02752614 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I7210__BC_2121__Cov_63.61%
0.02823336 Germany_Lech_EBA:OBKR_80__BC_2050__Cov_62.93%
0.02836390 Germany_BellBeaker:I6624__BC_2250__Cov_54.19%
0.02909238 England_BellBeaker_highEEF:I1767__BC_2095__Cov_62. 18%
0.03003433 Spain_C_oSteppe:EHU001__BC_2171__Cov_46.55%
0.03017040 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4888__BC_2088__Cov_70.92%
0.03060710 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU052__BC_2050__Cov_61.87%
0.03211421 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7290__BC_2250__Cov_69.16%
0.03228492 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU014__BC_2120__Cov_58.79%
0.03241629 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU016__BC_2087__Cov_57.87%
0.03322980 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4946__BC_2238__Cov_31.90%
0.03325551 Germany_BellBeaker:I6590__BC_2250__Cov_71.50%
0.03344895 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KNE003__BC_2021__Cov_67.72%
0.03370694 Germany_BellBeaker:I0113__BC_2196__Cov_50.89%
0.03381911 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4889__BC_2181__Cov_72.16%
0.03481358 Germany_SouthernGermany_Singen_EBA:MX288__BC_2101_ _Cov_52.70%
0.03550422 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7249__BC_2061__Cov_66.26%
0.03552982 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0117__BC_2142__Cov_73.21%
0.03572512 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_99_d__BC_2012__Cov_6.23%
0.03629952 Germany_BellBeaker:I5834__BC_2250__Cov_52.52%
Distance to: CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG
0.02589682 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4885__BC_2220__Cov_69.44%
0.03056218 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4888__BC_2088__Cov_70.92%
0.03248602 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I4887__BC_2121__Cov_69.60%
0.03340496 Germany_BellBeaker:I0113__BC_2196__Cov_50.89%
0.03355651 England_EBA_highEEF:I12935__BC_2050__Cov_61.43%
0.03371113 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1003__BC_2210__Cov_74.39%
0.03379665 Germany_BellBeaker:I6591__BC_2250__Cov_70.77%
0.03443358 Spain_C_oSteppe:EHU001__BC_2171__Cov_46.55%
0.03484010 Serbia_BA_o:I16813__BC_2016__Cov_67.33%
0.03696163 France_EBA_BellBeaker:I3874__BC_2115__Cov_56.71%
0.03713613 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4946__BC_2238__Cov_31.90%
0.03731727 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7275__BC_2250__Cov_60.23%
0.03768771 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4896__BC_2213__Cov_70.01%
0.03804051 Germany_Lech_EBA_contam:POST_44__BC_2073__Cov_73.3 7%
0.03833014 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4891__BC_2181__Cov_71.64%
0.04007211 Germany_Singen_EBA:MX275__BC_2052__Cov_35.77%
0.04013517 Italy_Sicily_EBA_o2:I11443__BC_2140__Cov_64.26%
0.04036795 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I7210__BC_2121__Cov_63.61%
0.04047810 Germany_BellBeaker:I6624__BC_2250__Cov_54.19%
0.04085608 Germany_BellBeaker:I6590__BC_2250__Cov_71.50%
0.04105485 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4886__BC_2138__Cov_72.02%
0.04108987 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU014__BC_2120__Cov_58.79%
0.04163191 Germany_Bavaria_BellBeaker:I5835__BC_2250__Cov_54. 13%
0.04331062 Germany_BellBeaker:I5834__BC_2250__Cov_52.52%
0.04362249 Germany_BellBeaker:I3590__BC_2236__Cov_36.64%
Target: CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2
Distance: 1.0292% / 0.01029158 | ADC: 1x RC
55.4 Czechia_BellBeaker
30.0 France_EBA_BellBeaker
14.6 England_EBA_highEEF
Target: CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG
Distance: 1.6217% / 0.01621737 | ADC: 1x RC
65.8 Czechia_BellBeaker
24.6 England_EBA_highEEF
9.6 Germany_BellBeaker
Target: CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2
Distance: 0.7343% / 0.00734345 | ADC: 0.25x RC
25.0 England_EBA_highEEF:I12935__BC_2050__Cov_61.43%
22.8 France_EBA_BellBeaker:I3874__BC_2115__Cov_56.71%
12.8 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4891__BC_2181__Cov_71.64%
7.0 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I4887__BC_2121__Cov_69.60%
6.2 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7269__BC_2250__Cov_59.88%
5.4 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP002__BC_2227__Cov_10.89%
5.2 France_GrandEst_EBA.SG:PSS4170.SG__BC_2080__Cov_34 .60%
4.8 Germany_SouthernGermany_Singen_EBA:MX288__BC_2101_ _Cov_52.70%
4.4 Hungary_EBA_Mako.SG:BR1_noUDG.SG__BC_2076__Cov_50. 20%
3.8 IsleOfMan_EBA_lowsteppe_low_res:I8582__BC_2075__Co v_8.30%
2.6 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7249__BC_2061__Cov_66.26%
Target: CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG
Distance: 1.0872% / 0.01087231 | ADC: 0.25x RC
27.0 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I7210__BC_2121__Cov_63.61%
21.6 Spain_NE_Iberia_BA:MIV001__BC_2100__Cov_17.76%
13.8 Bulgaria_EBA_MBA:I20182__BC_2150__Cov_67.91%
9.4 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4888__BC_2088__Cov_70.92%
6.6 Germany_BellBeaker:I0113__BC_2196__Cov_50.89%
5.2 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4885__BC_2220__Cov_69.44%
5.2 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I4887__BC_2121__Cov_69.60%
4.8 Switzerland_BellBeaker:I5759__BC_2225__Cov_10.51%
3.6 England_EBA_highEEF:I12935__BC_2050__Cov_61.43%
2.8 Serbia_BA_o:I16813__BC_2016__Cov_67.33%
2500-2250BC
Distance to: CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2
0.02383566 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP001__BC_2290__Cov_81.88%
0.02736479 Czechia_EBA:I7196__BC_2300__Cov_61.33%
0.03077461 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1005__BC_2381__Cov_58.59%
0.03191655 Germany_BellBeaker:I0108__BC_2449__Cov_63.89%
0.03244193 France_Paris_Basin_BellBeaker_LN:SMGB54__BC_2300__ Cov_88.11%
0.03372376 Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia2:KOP001__BC_2300__Cov _39.11%
0.03398317 Poland_Southeast_BellBeaker.SG:pcw260_noUDG.SG__BC _2287__Cov_65.88%
0.03439527 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7212__BC_2297__Cov_63.53%
0.03467182 Germany_BellBeaker:I5529__BC_2300__Cov_38.55%
0.03477362 Czechia_BellBeaker:KOP003__BC_2392__Cov_45.77%
0.03613271 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7213__BC_2281__Cov_64.18%
0.03631286 Germany_LN_Alberstedt:I0118__BC_2375__Cov_91.82%
0.03634885 Hungary_EBA_BellBeaker:I3529__BC_2350__Cov_48.65%
0.03672310 England_BellBeaker_highEEF:I5379__BC_2383__Cov_59. 51%
0.03700274 Czechia_BellBeaker:KOP002__BC_2300__Cov_48.85%
0.03745989 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP003__BC_2300__Cov_71.82%
0.03763977 France_LaClape_LN_EMBA_BellBeakerPossible.SG:GBVPK .SG__BC_2386__Cov_58.17%
0.03867611 Germany_SouthernGermany_Anselfingen_EBA:MX259__BC_ 2296__Cov_24.80%
0.03882637 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:UNTA85_1343__BC_2258__Cov_ 68.81%
0.04069397 Germany_Bavaria_BellBeaker:E09569__BC_2272__Cov_70 .40%
0.04433424 Germany_BellBeaker:I1546__BC_2275__Cov_12.99%
0.04461165 Germany_BellBeaker:I0111__BC_2353__Cov_46.91%
0.04470920 Poland_BellBeaker:I6581__BC_2278__Cov_53.56%
0.04498550 Czechia_BellBeaker:VLI022__BC_2315__Cov_23.30%
0.04498666 Poland_BellBeaker:I4253__BC_2316__Cov_38.75%
Distance to: CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG
0.03021169 Poland_Southeast_BellBeaker.SG:pcw260_noUDG.SG__BC _2287__Cov_65.88%
0.03131114 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1005__BC_2381__Cov_58.59%
0.03309044 Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia2:KOP001__BC_2300__Cov _39.11%
0.03575897 Czechia_BellBeaker:KOP002__BC_2300__Cov_48.85%
0.03620187 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP001__BC_2290__Cov_81.88%
0.03650977 France_LaClape_LN_EMBA_BellBeakerPossible.SG:GBVPK .SG__BC_2386__Cov_58.17%
0.03673042 Germany_BellBeaker:I5529__BC_2300__Cov_38.55%
0.03759974 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:I5520__BC_2300__Cov_23.47%
0.03882492 Poland_BellBeaker:I6581__BC_2278__Cov_53.56%
0.03972154 Czechia_EBA:I7196__BC_2300__Cov_61.33%
0.04011792 Hungary_EBA_BellBeaker:I3529__BC_2350__Cov_48.65%
0.04180102 France_Paris_Basin_BellBeaker_LN:SMGB54__BC_2300__ Cov_88.11%
0.04226372 Germany_Bavaria_BellBeaker:E09538__BC_2337__Cov_47 .43%
0.04357347 Czechia_BellBeaker:VLI022__BC_2315__Cov_23.30%
0.04417713 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:UNTA58_68Sk1__BC_2300__Cov _46.39%
0.04510293 Germany_BellBeaker:I5524__BC_2300__Cov_49.89%
0.04567983 Germany_BellBeaker:I0108__BC_2449__Cov_63.89%
0.04594734 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7213__BC_2281__Cov_64.18%
0.04595129 Czechia_BellBeaker:I5666__BC_2300__Cov_24.36%
0.04646700 Germany_SouthernGermany_Anselfingen_EBA:MX259__BC_ 2296__Cov_24.80%
0.04858655 Hungary_EBA_Protonagyrev:I7040__BC_2350__Cov_12.41 %
0.04869878 Germany_LN_Alberstedt:I0118__BC_2375__Cov_91.82%
0.04910123 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:UNTA85_1343__BC_2258__Cov_ 68.81%
0.04949967 Germany_Bavaria_BellBeaker:E09569__BC_2272__Cov_70 .40%
0.05029362 Germany_BellBeaker:I0111__BC_2353__Cov_46.91%
Target: CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2
Distance: 1.3919% / 0.01391947 | ADC: 1x RC
46.4 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP001__BC_2290__Cov_81.88%
36.6 France_Paris_Basin_BellBeaker_LN:SMGB54__BC_2300__ Cov_88.11%
17.0 Czechia_EBA:I7196__BC_2300__Cov_61.33%
Target: CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG
Distance: 1.7342% / 0.01734164 | ADC: 1x RC
36.8 Poland_Southeast_BellBeaker.SG:pcw260_noUDG.SG__BC _2287__Cov_65.88%
27.8 Germany_BellBeaker:I5524__BC_2300__Cov_49.89%
16.8 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1005__BC_2381__Cov_58.59%
16.2 Hungary_EBA_BellBeaker:I3529__BC_2350__Cov_48.65%
2.4 Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia2:KOP001__BC_2300__Cov _39.11%
Target: CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2
Distance: 0.8520% / 0.00851953 | ADC: 0.25x RC
20.8 France_Paris_Basin_BellBeaker_LN:SMGB54__BC_2300__ Cov_88.11%
19.2 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7212__BC_2297__Cov_63.53%
18.6 Germany_BellBeaker:I5524__BC_2300__Cov_49.89%
12.4 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP001__BC_2290__Cov_81.88%
8.0 Germany_BellBeaker:I0108__BC_2449__Cov_63.89%
7.6 Czechia_EBA:I7202__BC_2300__Cov_46.70%
4.2 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS006__BC_2285__Cov_10.52%
3.8 Germany_BellBeaker:I5523__BC_2300__Cov_46.09%
3.8 Germany_BellBeaker:I5529__BC_2300__Cov_38.55%
1.6 Germany_BellBeaker:I0806__BC_2267__Cov_11.57%
Target: CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG
Distance: 1.1295% / 0.01129469 | ADC: 0.25x RC
25.2 Czechia_EBA:I7196__BC_2300__Cov_61.33%
16.8 Greece_Logkas_MBA.SG:Log02.SG__BC_2300__Cov_98.86%
11.4 Germany_BellBeaker:I0108__BC_2449__Cov_63.89%
10.4 Bulgaria_EBA:I19460__BC_2375__Cov_12.34%
10.4 Czechia_BellBeaker:I5666__BC_2300__Cov_24.36%
8.6 Spain_EBA_Mallorca:I4329__BC_2383__Cov_23.42%
8.6 Poland_Southeast_BellBeaker.SG:pcw260_noUDG.SG__BC _2287__Cov_65.88%
5.4 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:I4124__BC_2328__Cov_17.68%
3.2 France_Paris_Basin_BellBeaker_LN:SMGB54__BC_2300__ Cov_88.11%
In the period 2500-2000, the source of Celtic samples is the BB, in particular the Czech BB. This is probably a completely correct result. In the case of the northern sample, connotations with local forms of BB from France and Britain are visible. In the southern sample, traces of the expansion of the Greek BA can be found. Whether this trace can be identified with the samples BellBeaker_oAnatolia cannot be ruled out. Taking into account the later period, Serbian correlations IMHO must be treated as incidental.
celticdragongod
12-02-2024, 11:50 AM
To understand this phenomenon, I would focus on the period earlier than the Urnfield, between 2000-1500 BC, and in particular 2000-1700 BC. In my opinion, we were dealing with a period of differentiation and expansion of the Unetice population to Scandinavia and Poland (>Trzciniec). In Scandinavia they found the first phase population represented by Sweden_Late_N.SG:oll009_noUDG.SG__BC_1837__Cov_38. 57%.
Below are the closest samples to the Goths from Weklice.
Distance to: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R11391.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_38.00%
0.03474450 Denmark_BA_Strøby_Ladeplads:NEO93__BC_1788__Cov_un known
0.03624528 Wales_C_EBA:I1775__BC_1613__Cov_35.10%
0.03721002 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU059__BC_1955__Cov_61.01%
0.03774551 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB052__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.03860515 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I13470__BC_1993__Cov_72.40%
0.03905978 England_BellBeaker:LUT1__BC_1533__Cov_87.74%
0.03957688 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
0.03972416 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7958__BC_2000__Cov_74.70%
0.04052210 Sweden_N_Sillvik:NEO261__BC_1945__Cov_unknown
0.04139934 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB031__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
0.04173960 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO228__BC_1891__Cov_unknown
0.04191239 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB058__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04204152 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1007__BC_1787__Cov_52.60%
0.04216090 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15644__BC_2000__Cov_62.98%
0.04281478 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI042__BC_1824__Cov_19.14%
0.04333583 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7962__BC_2000__Cov_76.75%
0.04345950 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB063__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04359206 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI047__BC_1850__Cov_43.41%
0.04392576 Netherlands_BellBeaker:I4075__BC_2000__Cov_66.87%
0.04519706 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI045__BC_1993__Cov_56.13%
0.04522338 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB072__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.04528967 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath1_noUDG.SG__BC_1947__Cov_99.89%
0.04552669 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB079__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04633927 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS005__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
0.04643763 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB047__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
Distance to: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R10636.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_56.81%
0.03464850 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB034__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.03710135 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.03723084 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB087__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.03752959 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB046__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03775441 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB072__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.03853657 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath1_noUDG.SG__BC_1947__Cov_99.89%
0.03929107 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB040__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04002476 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1007__BC_1787__Cov_52.60%
0.04025501 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB045__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04040553 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
0.04099492 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
0.04114397 England_C_EBA:I7570__BC_1619__Cov_66.09%
0.04170591 Czechia_Unetice_C:MIB003__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.04206241 Denmark_BA_Strøby_Ladeplads:NEO93__BC_1788__Cov_un known
0.04220929 Wales_C_EBA:I1775__BC_1613__Cov_35.10%
0.04221202 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS002__BC_1933__Cov_74.54%
0.04228704 Scotland_C_EBA:I3132__BC_1977__Cov_65.82%
0.04241932 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO224__BC_1969__Cov_unknown
0.04318739 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14186__BC_1900__Cov_50.79%
0.04350599 Netherlands_BellBeaker:I4076__BC_1813__Cov_37.86%
0.04355085 Poland_Strzyżów_EBA:poz230__BC_1889__Cov_38.38%
0.04358352 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_6__BC_1923__Cov_81.22%
0.04383473 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7958__BC_2000__Cov_74.70%
0.04405494 Sweden_N_Sillvik:NEO261__BC_1945__Cov_unknown
0.04416791 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB031__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
Distance to: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R10634.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_60.11%
0.02763614 Sweden_N_Sillvik:NEO261__BC_1945__Cov_unknown
0.02946619 Denmark_BA_Strøby_Ladeplads:NEO93__BC_1788__Cov_un known
0.03247246 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
0.03249866 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.03263405 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB045__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03278972 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1007__BC_1787__Cov_52.60%
0.03358295 Wales_C_EBA:I1775__BC_1613__Cov_35.10%
0.03360058 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS002__BC_1933__Cov_74.54%
0.03371610 England_C_EBA:I7570__BC_1619__Cov_66.09%
0.03393036 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO228__BC_1891__Cov_unknown
0.03397358 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB072__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.03410166 England_C_EBA:I7573__BC_1570__Cov_61.60%
0.03436235 England_BellBeaker:LUT1__BC_1533__Cov_87.74%
0.03452087 Sweden_Late_N.SG:oll009_noUDG.SG__BC_1837__Cov_38. 57%
0.03478805 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_6__BC_1923__Cov_81.22%
0.03520474 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB031__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
0.03531002 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
0.03546581 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB034__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.03563938 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7958__BC_2000__Cov_74.70%
0.03572978 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS005__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
0.03621439 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0115__BC_1865__Cov_31.74%
0.03686333 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB087__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.03716885 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath1_noUDG.SG__BC_1947__Cov_99.89%
0.03770692 Scotland_C_EBA:I3132__BC_1977__Cov_65.82%
0.03798854 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15644__BC_2000__Cov_62.98%
Distance to: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R10633.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_61.62%
0.03819855 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7960__BC_2000__Cov_73.80%
0.03851231 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO225__BC_1798__Cov_unknown
0.03851882 France_GrandEst_EBA.SG:OBE3626-1.SG__BC_1824__Cov_23.82%
0.03875615 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB040__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04086554 Sweden_Megalithic_Nästegården_LN:NAS004__BC_1690__ Cov_66.18%
0.04095988 England_C_EBA:I2602__BC_1812__Cov_54.66%
0.04197431 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath3_noUDG.SG__BC_1630__Cov_49.23%
0.04206973 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB048__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04219941 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO226__BC_1811__Cov_unknown
0.04248457 England_C_EBA:I16400__BC_1950__Cov_38.79%
0.04258945 England_C_EBA:I2421__BC_1840__Cov_33.62%
0.04290511 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO227__BC_1974__Cov_unknown
0.04305729 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB005__BC_1817__Cov_34.47%
0.04401284 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.04428990 Netherlands_EBA:I4071__BC_1767__Cov_67.21%
0.04434445 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15825__BC_1900__Cov_43.11%
0.04496365 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0115__BC_1865__Cov_31.74%
0.04547206 England_BellBeaker:I1770__BC_2000__Cov_41.99%
0.04562882 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB054__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04578993 Czechia_Unetice_C:MIB002__BC_1815__Cov_60.26%
0.04607203 Czechia_EBA:I4892__BC_1804__Cov_70.23%
0.04642209 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I13469__BC_1995__Cov_69.96%
0.04661531 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB087__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04666944 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7959__BC_2000__Cov_73.62%
0.04676663 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB046__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
Distance to: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R10631.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_44.50%
0.02437427 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.02849765 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB087__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.02866027 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_6__BC_1923__Cov_81.22%
0.02871908 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB034__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.02887190 England_C_EBA:I7570__BC_1619__Cov_66.09%
0.02894106 Wales_C_EBA:I1775__BC_1613__Cov_35.10%
0.02967952 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS002__BC_1933__Cov_74.54%
0.02970926 Netherlands_EBA:I4070__BC_1753__Cov_59.45%
0.03068766 Scotland_C_EBA:I3132__BC_1977__Cov_65.82%
0.03106724 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB031__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
0.03236486 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO228__BC_1891__Cov_unknown
0.03311374 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
0.03323472 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
0.03371114 England_BellBeaker:LUT1__BC_1533__Cov_87.74%
0.03376606 Scotland_C_EBA:I2981__BC_1761__Cov_68.50%
0.03414133 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0115__BC_1865__Cov_31.74%
0.03424722 Czechia_Unetice_C:MIB003__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.03428067 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14186__BC_1900__Cov_50.79%
0.03451525 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath1_noUDG.SG__BC_1947__Cov_99.89%
0.03460761 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0047__BC_1973__Cov_67.61%
0.03483076 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1007__BC_1787__Cov_52.60%
0.03494481 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB084__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03494570 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO225__BC_1798__Cov_unknown
0.03496561 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB072__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.03499904 Sweden_Late_N.SG:oll009_noUDG.SG__BC_1837__Cov_38. 57%
Distance to: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R10626.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_50.85%
0.03195355 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO228__BC_1891__Cov_unknown
0.03317419 Sweden_Late_N.SG:oll009_noUDG.SG__BC_1837__Cov_38. 57%
0.03475600 Sweden_N_Sillvik:NEO261__BC_1945__Cov_unknown
0.03554862 Denmark_BA_Strøby_Ladeplads:NEO93__BC_1788__Cov_un known
0.03577712 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
0.03579067 Wales_C_EBA:I1775__BC_1613__Cov_35.10%
0.03584528 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath1_noUDG.SG__BC_1947__Cov_99.89%
0.03621212 England_C_EBA:I7570__BC_1619__Cov_66.09%
0.03625518 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB045__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03662823 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.03668453 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO224__BC_1969__Cov_unknown
0.03678734 England_C_EBA:I18606__BC_1820__Cov_57.92%
0.03724187 Sweden_Megalithic_Nästegården_LN:NAS004__BC_1690__ Cov_66.18%
0.03733414 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
0.03753382 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO225__BC_1798__Cov_unknown
0.03825647 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS002__BC_1933__Cov_74.54%
0.03908552 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB079__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03909207 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14191__BC_1900__Cov_61.38%
0.03915053 England_C_EBA:I5377__BC_1808__Cov_71.13%
0.03960582 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB031__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
0.03999241 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB082__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04015269 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0115__BC_1865__Cov_31.74%
0.04022770 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14186__BC_1900__Cov_50.79%
0.04063006 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB034__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04066749 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I13470__BC_1993__Cov_72.40%
Distance to: Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG:R10625.SG_ _AD_75__Cov_55.73%
0.03956014 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB040__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.04146592 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO227__BC_1974__Cov_unknown
0.04190854 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7960__BC_2000__Cov_73.80%
0.04230752 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO226__BC_1811__Cov_unknown
0.04324953 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO225__BC_1798__Cov_unknown
0.04525931 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB048__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04558145 France_GrandEst_EBA.SG:OBE3626-1.SG__BC_1824__Cov_23.82%
0.04605514 Denmark_N_Gammellung:NEO934__BC_1884__Cov_unknown
0.04610552 Czechia_EBA:I4892__BC_1804__Cov_70.23%
0.04637919 Poland_Trzciniec_MBA:poz709__BC_1597__Cov_20.02%
0.04680748 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB005__BC_1817__Cov_34.47%
0.04775817 Sweden_LN.SG:RISE97_noUDG.SG__BC_1945__Cov_48.75%
0.04817486 Sweden_Megalithic_Nästegården_LN:NAS004__BC_1690__ Cov_66.18%
0.04830446 Sweden_Late_N.SG:oll010_noUDG.SG__BC_1754__Cov_13. 01%
0.04831818 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB087__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04864043 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.04884104 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1006__BC_1918__Cov_63.63%
0.04890071 Czechia_Unetice_C:MIB002__BC_1815__Cov_60.26%
0.04919325 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1010__BC_1956__Cov_39.82%
0.04929164 Hungary_Fuzesabony_MBA:I20750__BC_1950__Cov_42.70%
0.04952576 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB054__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04962355 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS002__BC_1933__Cov_74.54%
0.04987613 England_C_EBA:I2602__BC_1812__Cov_54.66%
0.04987868 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath3_noUDG.SG__BC_1630__Cov_49.23%
0.05009856 Netherlands_EBA:I4071__BC_1767__Cov_67.21%
vs modern Swedish
Distance to: Swedish
0.02235066 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.02337571 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS002__BC_1933__Cov_74.54%
0.02685045 England_C_EBA:I7570__BC_1619__Cov_66.09%
0.02712630 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB045__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.02734081 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
0.02822502 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_6__BC_1923__Cov_81.22%
0.02824598 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB034__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.02827180 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB087__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.02835256 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB072__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.02849873 Denmark_BA_Strøby_Ladeplads:NEO93__BC_1788__Cov_un known
0.02913672 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB031__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
0.02971707 Wales_C_EBA:I1775__BC_1613__Cov_35.10%
0.03115735 Scotland_C_EBA:I3132__BC_1977__Cov_65.82%
0.03159179 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14186__BC_1900__Cov_50.79%
0.03241132 Netherlands_EBA:I4070__BC_1753__Cov_59.45%
0.03263924 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB040__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03264982 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO228__BC_1891__Cov_unknown
0.03267147 Sweden_Megalithic_Nästegården_LN:NAS004__BC_1690__ Cov_66.18%
0.03272046 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB082__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03275310 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0115__BC_1865__Cov_31.74%
0.03290842 Scotland_C_EBA:I2981__BC_1761__Cov_68.50%
0.03296132 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7958__BC_2000__Cov_74.70%
0.03300397 Sweden_Late_N.SG:oll009_noUDG.SG__BC_1837__Cov_38. 57%
0.03301636 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO225__BC_1798__Cov_unknown
0.03332097 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath1_noUDG.SG__BC_1947__Cov_99.89%
IMO this is a set of the closest Germanic samples from this period.
https://i.ibb.co/TRrKW52/Zrzut-ekranu-1-12-2024-2320-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://ibb.co/FJnsHt3)
set 2000-1500BC
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yUI1T8oLnnYIEGJa7h-raekUaOErvfnM/view?usp=sharing
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.03338842 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
0.03591774 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
0.03698788 Sweden_Late_N.SGll009_noUDG.SG__BC_1837__Cov_38.57 %
0.04206538 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB034__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04406187 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU059__BC_1955__Cov_61.01%
0.05372126 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB040__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.05850350 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7960__BC_2000__Cov_73.80%
Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.7833% / 0.02783301
35.4 Sweden_Late_N.SGll009_noUDG.SG__BC_1837__Cov_38.57 %
32.2 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
18.0 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU059__BC_1955__Cov_61.01%
14.4 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
celticdragongod
12-02-2024, 11:54 AM
I would consider these samples to be Celtic. If you have another idea, please tell me. I think that their ethnogenesis was slightly different than that of the Germanic people.
CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG,0.125964,0.1475903, 0.046386,0.022287,0.0345703,0.0062287,-0.0014883,0.0039997,0.0067493,0.0169477,-0.0036267,-0.0024977,-0.0159563,-0.009771,0.0109027,0.0034033,-0.0076927,0.0003377,0.000042,-0.0050023,-0.0031197,0.004369,-0.0009037,-0.006828,0.002395
CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2,0.1287625,0.137731,0.0 567565,0.0371046,0.0472395,0.0111555,0.00705,0.003 7211,0.0080278,0.0120731,-0.0042626,0.0085798,-0.0124504,-0.0081885,0.0133175,-0.003497,-0.0119789,0.0022646,0.0025454,0.0006565,0.0052252, 0.0057344,-0.0018178,-0.0004368,-0.0023051
I intentionally chose samples from before the Great Gallic War. Some are similar to Belgae, others to Central Celts.
Target: Celts:Poland_Gaski_IA_oEEF:PCA0012__BC_50__Cov_18. 40%
Distance: 2.7093% / 0.02709349
48.2 CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2
45.0 CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG
6.8 Sweden_Viking_Age_Gotland_(Norse_Profile)
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.03384766 CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2
0.05295520 CelticS:France_GrandEst_IA2.SG
Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 3.3848% / 0.03384766
100.0 CelticN:France_GrandEst_IA2
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.03338842 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
0.03591774 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
0.03698788 Sweden_Late_N.SGll009_noUDG.SG__BC_1837__Cov_38.57 %
0.04206538 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB034__BC_1709__Cov_70.99%
0.04406187 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU059__BC_1955__Cov_61.01%
0.05372126 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB040__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.05850350 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7960__BC_2000__Cov_73.80%
Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.7833% / 0.02783301
35.4 Sweden_Late_N.SGll009_noUDG.SG__BC_1837__Cov_38.57 %
32.2 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
18.0 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU059__BC_1955__Cov_61.01%
14.4 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
Do you have any idea for a sample of the British Celts? Should we also look for them in the period before the Roman invasion?
Celts of Britain before the Roman invasion.
England_LIA:I14552_d__AD_3__Cov_13.67%,0.132035,0. 13405,0.058831,0.04845,0.033852,0.010877,0.004465, 0.013153,0.005522,0.010752,-0.013153,0.003297,-0.004014,-0.015689,0.00475,0.023203,0.018906,0.007348,-0.00176,0.014757,-0.00262,0.003091,-0.000863,0.010363,0.000359
England_LIA:I18599__AD_26__Cov_57.98%,0.126344,0.1 4319,0.061094,0.041344,0.044931,0.008367,0.01034,0 .002769,0.007976,0.009659,-0.000974,0.005545,-0.017096,-0.006468,0.015201,0.007955,0.005867,0.003674,0.005 028,-0.000875,-0.000499,0.006059,-0.009244,0.01205,0.001916
England_LIA:I21302__AD_28__Cov_65.56%,0.129758,0.1 35065,0.061848,0.031331,0.040931,0.01506,0.0047,0. 003231,0.012476,0.00656,-0.000325,0.007194,-0.016055,-0.006331,0.023208,-0.004243,-0.018254,0.002154,0.007039,-0.000125,0.005865,0.01422,-0.006532,0.00723,0.001317
England_EastYorkshire_LIA:I22062__AD_20__Cov_68.41 %,0.135449,0.13405,0.064111,0.047481,0.046162,0.01 7012,0.00188,0.008769,0.008385,0.006014,-0.006658,0.006145,-0.014123,-0.019405,0.026194,0.006497,-0.00678,0.007981,-0.000126,0.002876,0.008859,0.005441,0.005053,0.009 519,0.00467
Scotland_LIA:I27384__AD_5__Cov_59.84%,0.120652,0.1 31003,0.061848,0.047481,0.029852,0.019801,0.003055 ,0.011538,-0.004295,0.000911,-0.00341,0.003897,-0.013082,-0.024359,0.023751,0.006762,-0.009779,0.005574,-0.006285,0.008879,0.007237,0.007296,-0.002342,0.004338,0.003353
Scotland_LIA:I16413__AD_30__Cov_15.75%,0.118376,0. 140143,0.075047,0.064923,0.02739,0.026774,0.00987, 0,-0.004704,0.000729,0.000974,0.006744,-0.011001,-0.022157,0.03773,-0.006497,-0.030249,0.003674,0.004651,0.006003,0.003369,0.022 134,-0.008874,0.005302,0.000359
Scotland_IA:I16504__AD_34__Cov_57.37%,0.129758,0.1 40143,0.065619,0.059755,0.036314,0.02259,0.00047,0 .011999,0.004704,0.004738,-0.006983,0.010191,-0.016799,-0.012524,0.02728,-0.00305,-0.026207,-0.003167,-0.001257,0.006878,0.010606,0.002597,0.002095,0.000 723,0.011735
Scotland_LIA:I27385__AD_34__Cov_72.43%,0.127482,0. 137096,0.059585,0.055233,0.030159,0.022311,0.00211 5,0.011538,0.007567,-0.002916,-0.002923,0.01109,-0.023934,-0.010322,0.022122,0.004906,-0.010691,0.000253,0.002263,0.000875,-0.002371,0.003586,0.006039,0.00976,0.005269
Scotland_LIA:I3568__AD_38__Cov_68.53%,0.133173,0.1 37096,0.054682,0.058786,0.034468,0.021753,-0.002115,0.003,0.002454,-0.001458,-0.00406,0.010641,-0.013974,-0.014726,0.026465,-0.000133,-0.021253,0.003801,-0.002765,0.002626,0.009982,0.012613,-0.005546,0.015665,-0.000838
https://i.ibb.co/mCw2fDy/Vahaduo-Global-25-North-Europe-PCA-61.png (https://ibb.co/vxGT0wd)
If the samples are dated correctly, the Britons more or less correlate with the N continental Celts.
The Picts form their own cluster.
AVG:
Celtic?BritonsEngland_LIA,0.129379,0.137435,0.0605 91,0.040375,0.0399047,0.0114347,0.0065017,0.006384 3,0.008658,0.0089903,-0.0048173,0.0053453,-0.0123883,-0.009496,0.0143863,0.0089717,0.002173,0.004392,0.0 034357,0.0045857,0.0009153,0.00779,-0.0055463,0.009881,0.0011973
PictsScotland_LIA,0.1258882,0.1370962,0.0633562,0. 0572356,0.0316366,0.0226458,0.002679,0.007615,0.00 11452,0.0004008,-0.0032804,0.0085126,-0.015758,-0.0168176,0.0274696,0.0003976,-0.0196358,0.002027,-0.0006786,0.0050522,0.0057646,0.0096452,-0.0017256,0.0071576,0.0039756
Unfortunately, Irish samples from this period are missing.
2250-2000BC
Distance to: PictsScotland_LIA
0.02243011 Germany_Unetice_EBA:I0114__BC_2052__Cov_60.35%
0.02402656 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU011__BC_2052__Cov_63.56%
0.02423404 Poland_BellBeaker:I6583__BC_2188__Cov_71.95%
0.02546379 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KNE003__BC_2021__Cov_67.72%
0.02602056 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15644__BC_2000__Cov_62.98%
0.02661433 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I7210__BC_2121__Cov_63.61%
0.02677789 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7958__BC_2000__Cov_74.70%
0.02830147 Germany_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN:I0059__BC_2229__Cov _62.99%
0.02925874 Netherlands_BellBeaker:I5750__BC_2100__Cov_54.67%
0.03018718 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I16109__BC_2000__Cov_50.91%
0.03067806 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:BNL003__BC_2045__Cov_61.63%
0.03100295 England_BellBeaker:I3256__BC_2113__Cov_71.75%
0.03141772 England_C_EBA:I20997__BC_2125__Cov_53.22%
0.03160818 Czechia_BellBeaker:I6480__BC_2200__Cov_36.58%
0.03180759 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0117__BC_2142__Cov_73.21%
0.03196761 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU052__BC_2050__Cov_61.87%
0.03289983 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU023__BC_2086__Cov_47.98%
0.03303988 England_C_EBA:I2597__BC_2130__Cov_70.18%
0.03316464 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU009__BC_2050__Cov_53.92%
0.03317693 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU040__BC_2050__Cov_50.14%
0.03325658 Czechia_BellBeaker:I5514__BC_2205__Cov_73.31%
0.03342590 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU024__BC_2050__Cov_62.89%
0.03354589 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:WEHR_1192SkA__BC_2243__Cov _81.24%
0.03366240 England_BellBeaker:I2453__BC_2172__Cov_52.16%
0.03374048 England_BellBeaker:I5382__BC_2120__Cov_27.37%
Distance to: Celtic?BritonsEngland_LIA
0.02373766 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1003__BC_2210__Cov_74.39%
0.02605837 Germany_BellBeaker:I6590__BC_2250__Cov_71.50%
0.02608616 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU016__BC_2087__Cov_57.87%
0.02729808 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4946__BC_2238__Cov_31.90%
0.02782044 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_99_d__BC_2012__Cov_6.23%
0.02857940 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU014__BC_2120__Cov_58.79%
0.02897413 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7269__BC_2250__Cov_59.88%
0.02900138 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4889__BC_2181__Cov_72.16%
0.03014667 Spain_C_oSteppe:EHU001__BC_2171__Cov_46.55%
0.03049553 Germany_BellBeaker:I5833__BC_2250__Cov_57.85%
0.03136041 Germany_SouthernGermany_Singen_EBA:MX288__BC_2101_ _Cov_52.70%
0.03178852 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7290__BC_2250__Cov_69.16%
0.03210183 England_EBA_highEEF:I12935__BC_2050__Cov_61.43%
0.03231525 Germany_BellBeaker:I6591__BC_2250__Cov_70.77%
0.03281659 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7249__BC_2061__Cov_66.26%
0.03306797 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7214__BC_2250__Cov_65.29%
0.03322452 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:WEHR_1192SkA__BC_2243__Cov _81.24%
0.03334910 Germany_BellBeaker:I3588__BC_2225__Cov_35.91%
0.03371730 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU052__BC_2050__Cov_61.87%
0.03383495 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU009__BC_2050__Cov_53.92%
0.03391874 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU035__BC_2050__Cov_20.40%
0.03393793 Scotland_C_EBA_mediumhighEEF:I5471_enhanced__BC_21 13__Cov_64.51%
0.03394217 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0117__BC_2142__Cov_73.21%
0.03406343 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I7210__BC_2121__Cov_63.61%
0.03407945 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU024__BC_2050__Cov_62.89%
Target: PictsScotland_LIA
Distance: 2.0115% / 0.02011453 | ADC: 1x
42.0 England_BellBeaker:I5512__BC_2300__Cov_75.03%
29.8 England_BellBeaker_highEEF:I5379__BC_2383__Cov_59. 51%
22.8 Czechia_EBA:I7196__BC_2300__Cov_61.33%
4.2 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:I5521__BC_2300__Cov_58.48%
0.8 Czechia_BellBeaker:KOP003__BC_2392__Cov_45.77%
0.4 England_BellBeaker:I2418__BC_2287__Cov_57.03%
Target: Celtic?BritonsEngland_LIA
Distance: 1.3756% / 0.01375577 | ADC: 1x
24.2 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP001__BC_2290__Cov_81.88%
21.2 Germany_BellBeaker:I5529__BC_2300__Cov_38.55%
18.6 Germany_BellBeaker:I1546__BC_2275__Cov_12.99%
17.4 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7212__BC_2297__Cov_63.53%
10.2 Germany_LN_Alberstedt:I0118__BC_2375__Cov_91.82%
8.4 France_LaClape_LN_EMBA_BellBeakerPossible.SG:GBVPK .SG__BC_2386__Cov_58.17%
2500-2250BC
Distance to: PictsScotland_LIA
0.02256019 Denmark_N_Barhøj_(Strøby_Egede):NEO92__BC_2268__Co v_unknown
0.03011193 England_BellBeaker_highEEF:I5379__BC_2383__Cov_59. 51%
0.03052215 England_BellBeaker:I5512__BC_2300__Cov_75.03%
0.03092423 Czechia_BellBeaker:KOP003__BC_2392__Cov_45.77%
0.03253511 Czechia_EBA:I7196__BC_2300__Cov_61.33%
0.03259347 Germany_BellBeaker:I0112__BC_2274__Cov_82.44%
0.03400113 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:I5521__BC_2300__Cov_58.48%
0.03435165 Scotland_BellBeaker:I5367__BC_2362__Cov_64.96%
0.03451412 Germany_BellBeaker:I1549__BC_2275__Cov_67.78%
0.03477129 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP001__BC_2290__Cov_81.88%
0.03543737 England_BellBeaker:I2418__BC_2287__Cov_57.03%
0.03546972 Germany_LN_Alberstedt:I0118__BC_2375__Cov_91.82%
0.03614828 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:UNTA85_1343__BC_2258__Cov_ 68.81%
0.03638928 Denmark_N_Toftum_mose:NEO870__BC_2305__Cov_unknown
0.03652230 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7212__BC_2297__Cov_63.53%
0.03746003 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP003__BC_2300__Cov_71.82%
0.03866826 Sweden_Megalithic_Frälsegården_MN_Steppe:FRA201__B C_2376__Cov_50.19%
0.03914236 Germany_Bavaria_BellBeaker:E09569__BC_2272__Cov_70 .40%
0.03949287 France_BellBeaker:I1381__BC_2300__Cov_58.94%
0.03950246 Scotland_BellBeaker:I5385__BC_2280__Cov_46.33%
0.03987255 England_EBA_BellBeaker:I27380__BC_2278__Cov_72.23%
0.04053753 Czechia_EBA:I7202__BC_2300__Cov_46.70%
0.04143927 Germany_BellBeaker:I5523__BC_2300__Cov_46.09%
0.04172335 Germany_BellBeaker_contam:I0805__BC_2302__Cov_18.7 2%
0.04181028 Sweden_Megalithic_Frälsegården_MN_Steppe:FRA202__B C_2404__Cov_99.68%
Distance to: Celtic?BritonsEngland_LIA
0.02693440 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP001__BC_2290__Cov_81.88%
0.02775967 Germany_LN_Alberstedt:I0118__BC_2375__Cov_91.82%
0.02856717 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7212__BC_2297__Cov_63.53%
0.03066890 Germany_BellBeaker:I5529__BC_2300__Cov_38.55%
0.03087387 Germany_BellBeaker:I1546__BC_2275__Cov_12.99%
0.03157084 England_BellBeaker_highEEF:I5379__BC_2383__Cov_59. 51%
0.03167909 Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia2:KOP001__BC_2300__Cov _39.11%
0.03243137 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7213__BC_2281__Cov_64.18%
0.03247738 Poland_Southeast_BellBeaker.SG:pcw260_noUDG.SG__BC _2287__Cov_65.88%
0.03273068 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7278__BC_2383__Cov_67.72%
0.03338872 Czechia_BellBeaker:VLI022__BC_2315__Cov_23.30%
0.03357658 Germany_BellBeaker:I0111__BC_2353__Cov_46.91%
0.03466645 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP003__BC_2300__Cov_71.82%
0.03505275 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:UNTA85_1343__BC_2258__Cov_ 68.81%
0.03505332 France_LaClape_LN_EMBA_BellBeakerPossible.SG:GBVPK .SG__BC_2386__Cov_58.17%
0.03517094 Czechia_BellBeaker:KOP003__BC_2392__Cov_45.77%
0.03532833 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1005__BC_2381__Cov_58.59%
0.03535190 Czechia_EBA:I7196__BC_2300__Cov_61.33%
0.03578011 Czechia_BellBeaker:KOP002__BC_2300__Cov_48.85%
0.03606399 Germany_Bavaria_BellBeaker:E09569__BC_2272__Cov_70 .40%
0.03832280 Germany_BellBeaker:I5525__BC_2300__Cov_67.51%
0.03834736 Germany_BellBeaker_contam:I0805__BC_2302__Cov_18.7 2%
0.03848920 Hungary_EBA_BellBeaker:I2365__BC_2349__Cov_78.51%
0.03891025 Czechia_BellBeaker:I5666__BC_2300__Cov_24.36%
0.03982485 England_BellBeaker_highWHG:I2446__BC_2265__Cov_41. 39%
Target: PictsScotland_LIA
Distance: 1.6917% / 0.01691692 | ADC: 1x
42.8 Germany_Unetice_EBA:I0114__BC_2052__Cov_60.35%
21.2 Poland_BellBeaker:I6583__BC_2188__Cov_71.95%
14.0 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU011__BC_2052__Cov_63.56%
11.4 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I7210__BC_2121__Cov_63.61%
8.6 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15644__BC_2000__Cov_62.98%
2.0 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU023__BC_2086__Cov_47.98%
Target: Celtic?BritonsEngland_LIA
Distance: 1.7200% / 0.01719961 | ADC: 1x
45.0 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1003__BC_2210__Cov_74.39%
13.6 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU016__BC_2087__Cov_57.87%
9.6 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7269__BC_2250__Cov_59.88%
8.8 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_99_d__BC_2012__Cov_6.23%
8.4 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4889__BC_2181__Cov_72.16%
7.6 Germany_BellBeaker:I6590__BC_2250__Cov_71.50%
7.0 Germany_BellBeaker:I3588__BC_2225__Cov_35.91%
Target: PictsScotland_LIA
Distance: 1.4842% / 0.01484160 | ADC: 0.5x
26.0 Germany_Unetice_EBA:I0114__BC_2052__Cov_60.35%
15.4 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15644__BC_2000__Cov_62.98%
14.4 Poland_BellBeaker:I6583__BC_2188__Cov_71.95%
11.8 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU011__BC_2052__Cov_63.56%
11.0 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I7210__BC_2121__Cov_63.61%
9.8 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU023__BC_2086__Cov_47.98%
6.6 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_99_d__BC_2012__Cov_6.23%
3.2 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I16109__BC_2000__Cov_50.91%
1.2 England_C_EBA:I16396__BC_2000__Cov_15.08%
0.6 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU061__BC_2050__Cov_41.74%
Target: Celtic?BritonsEngland_LIA
Distance: 0.9366% / 0.00936611 | ADC: 0.5x
24.0 Germany_BellBeaker:I3588__BC_2225__Cov_35.91%
17.4 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I4887__BC_2121__Cov_69.60%
16.4 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1003__BC_2210__Cov_74.39%
8.4 England_C_EBA:I14543__BC_2025__Cov_65.27%
8.4 Sweden_Megalithic_Frälsegården_LN:FRA301__BC_2006_ _Cov_64.09%
7.4 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4889__BC_2181__Cov_72.16%
7.0 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:WEHR_1192SkA__BC_2243__Cov _81.24%
6.0 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO220__BC_2036__Cov_unknown
4.0 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_99_d__BC_2012__Cov_6.23%
0.4 Germany_BellBeaker:I6590__BC_2250__Cov_71.50%
0.4 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4945__BC_2227__Cov_45.19%
0.2 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7269__BC_2250__Cov_59.88%
In both cases, BB is the main source of origin. The Picts seem to be a more primitive people similar to England_BellBeaker:I5512__BC_2300. And the Brits look as if they had continental connections. The situation around 2000 BC is interesting. The Picts then begin to correlate with the people of Unetice. This situation is quite mysterious.
Athalafuns
12-02-2024, 01:09 PM
My own 2000BC-1500BC result:
Target: RNB27
Distance: 1.3350% / 0.01335048 | ADC: 0.5x RC
24.2 Croatia_MBA_Cetina
17.8 Spain_BA.SG
17.4 Czechia_EBA_Unetice
16.8 Germany_Lech_EBA
15.0 Spain_Zapateria_Argar
8.8 Scotland_C_EBA_highEEF_low_res
Later I will look more closely at the Picts issue. Fascinating.
celticdragongod
12-02-2024, 02:15 PM
Celts of Britain before the Roman invasion.
https://i.ibb.co/mCw2fDy/Vahaduo-Global-25-North-Europe-PCA-61.png (https://ibb.co/vxGT0wd)
If the samples are dated correctly, the Britons more or less correlate with the N continental Celts.
The Picts form their own cluster.
AVG:
Unfortunately, Irish samples from this period are missing.
2250-2000BC
Distance to: PictsScotland_LIA
0.02243011 Germany_Unetice_EBA:I0114__BC_2052__Cov_60.35%
0.02402656 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU011__BC_2052__Cov_63.56%
0.02423404 Poland_BellBeaker:I6583__BC_2188__Cov_71.95%
0.02546379 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KNE003__BC_2021__Cov_67.72%
0.02602056 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15644__BC_2000__Cov_62.98%
0.02661433 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I7210__BC_2121__Cov_63.61%
0.02677789 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7958__BC_2000__Cov_74.70%
0.02830147 Germany_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN:I0059__BC_2229__Cov _62.99%
0.02925874 Netherlands_BellBeaker:I5750__BC_2100__Cov_54.67%
0.03018718 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I16109__BC_2000__Cov_50.91%
0.03067806 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:BNL003__BC_2045__Cov_61.63%
0.03100295 England_BellBeaker:I3256__BC_2113__Cov_71.75%
0.03141772 England_C_EBA:I20997__BC_2125__Cov_53.22%
0.03160818 Czechia_BellBeaker:I6480__BC_2200__Cov_36.58%
0.03180759 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0117__BC_2142__Cov_73.21%
0.03196761 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU052__BC_2050__Cov_61.87%
0.03289983 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU023__BC_2086__Cov_47.98%
0.03303988 England_C_EBA:I2597__BC_2130__Cov_70.18%
0.03316464 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU009__BC_2050__Cov_53.92%
0.03317693 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU040__BC_2050__Cov_50.14%
0.03325658 Czechia_BellBeaker:I5514__BC_2205__Cov_73.31%
0.03342590 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU024__BC_2050__Cov_62.89%
0.03354589 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:WEHR_1192SkA__BC_2243__Cov _81.24%
0.03366240 England_BellBeaker:I2453__BC_2172__Cov_52.16%
0.03374048 England_BellBeaker:I5382__BC_2120__Cov_27.37%
Distance to: Celtic?BritonsEngland_LIA
0.02373766 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1003__BC_2210__Cov_74.39%
0.02605837 Germany_BellBeaker:I6590__BC_2250__Cov_71.50%
0.02608616 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU016__BC_2087__Cov_57.87%
0.02729808 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4946__BC_2238__Cov_31.90%
0.02782044 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_99_d__BC_2012__Cov_6.23%
0.02857940 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU014__BC_2120__Cov_58.79%
0.02897413 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7269__BC_2250__Cov_59.88%
0.02900138 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4889__BC_2181__Cov_72.16%
0.03014667 Spain_C_oSteppe:EHU001__BC_2171__Cov_46.55%
0.03049553 Germany_BellBeaker:I5833__BC_2250__Cov_57.85%
0.03136041 Germany_SouthernGermany_Singen_EBA:MX288__BC_2101_ _Cov_52.70%
0.03178852 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7290__BC_2250__Cov_69.16%
0.03210183 England_EBA_highEEF:I12935__BC_2050__Cov_61.43%
0.03231525 Germany_BellBeaker:I6591__BC_2250__Cov_70.77%
0.03281659 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7249__BC_2061__Cov_66.26%
0.03306797 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7214__BC_2250__Cov_65.29%
0.03322452 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:WEHR_1192SkA__BC_2243__Cov _81.24%
0.03334910 Germany_BellBeaker:I3588__BC_2225__Cov_35.91%
0.03371730 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU052__BC_2050__Cov_61.87%
0.03383495 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU009__BC_2050__Cov_53.92%
0.03391874 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU035__BC_2050__Cov_20.40%
0.03393793 Scotland_C_EBA_mediumhighEEF:I5471_enhanced__BC_21 13__Cov_64.51%
0.03394217 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0117__BC_2142__Cov_73.21%
0.03406343 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I7210__BC_2121__Cov_63.61%
0.03407945 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU024__BC_2050__Cov_62.89%
Target: PictsScotland_LIA
Distance: 2.0115% / 0.02011453 | ADC: 1x
42.0 England_BellBeaker:I5512__BC_2300__Cov_75.03%
29.8 England_BellBeaker_highEEF:I5379__BC_2383__Cov_59. 51%
22.8 Czechia_EBA:I7196__BC_2300__Cov_61.33%
4.2 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:I5521__BC_2300__Cov_58.48%
0.8 Czechia_BellBeaker:KOP003__BC_2392__Cov_45.77%
0.4 England_BellBeaker:I2418__BC_2287__Cov_57.03%
Target: Celtic?BritonsEngland_LIA
Distance: 1.3756% / 0.01375577 | ADC: 1x
24.2 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP001__BC_2290__Cov_81.88%
21.2 Germany_BellBeaker:I5529__BC_2300__Cov_38.55%
18.6 Germany_BellBeaker:I1546__BC_2275__Cov_12.99%
17.4 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7212__BC_2297__Cov_63.53%
10.2 Germany_LN_Alberstedt:I0118__BC_2375__Cov_91.82%
8.4 France_LaClape_LN_EMBA_BellBeakerPossible.SG:GBVPK .SG__BC_2386__Cov_58.17%
2500-2250BC
Distance to: PictsScotland_LIA
0.02256019 Denmark_N_Barhøj_(Strøby_Egede):NEO92__BC_2268__Co v_unknown
0.03011193 England_BellBeaker_highEEF:I5379__BC_2383__Cov_59. 51%
0.03052215 England_BellBeaker:I5512__BC_2300__Cov_75.03%
0.03092423 Czechia_BellBeaker:KOP003__BC_2392__Cov_45.77%
0.03253511 Czechia_EBA:I7196__BC_2300__Cov_61.33%
0.03259347 Germany_BellBeaker:I0112__BC_2274__Cov_82.44%
0.03400113 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:I5521__BC_2300__Cov_58.48%
0.03435165 Scotland_BellBeaker:I5367__BC_2362__Cov_64.96%
0.03451412 Germany_BellBeaker:I1549__BC_2275__Cov_67.78%
0.03477129 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP001__BC_2290__Cov_81.88%
0.03543737 England_BellBeaker:I2418__BC_2287__Cov_57.03%
0.03546972 Germany_LN_Alberstedt:I0118__BC_2375__Cov_91.82%
0.03614828 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:UNTA85_1343__BC_2258__Cov_ 68.81%
0.03638928 Denmark_N_Toftum_mose:NEO870__BC_2305__Cov_unknown
0.03652230 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7212__BC_2297__Cov_63.53%
0.03746003 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP003__BC_2300__Cov_71.82%
0.03866826 Sweden_Megalithic_Frälsegården_MN_Steppe:FRA201__B C_2376__Cov_50.19%
0.03914236 Germany_Bavaria_BellBeaker:E09569__BC_2272__Cov_70 .40%
0.03949287 France_BellBeaker:I1381__BC_2300__Cov_58.94%
0.03950246 Scotland_BellBeaker:I5385__BC_2280__Cov_46.33%
0.03987255 England_EBA_BellBeaker:I27380__BC_2278__Cov_72.23%
0.04053753 Czechia_EBA:I7202__BC_2300__Cov_46.70%
0.04143927 Germany_BellBeaker:I5523__BC_2300__Cov_46.09%
0.04172335 Germany_BellBeaker_contam:I0805__BC_2302__Cov_18.7 2%
0.04181028 Sweden_Megalithic_Frälsegården_MN_Steppe:FRA202__B C_2404__Cov_99.68%
Distance to: Celtic?BritonsEngland_LIA
0.02693440 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP001__BC_2290__Cov_81.88%
0.02775967 Germany_LN_Alberstedt:I0118__BC_2375__Cov_91.82%
0.02856717 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7212__BC_2297__Cov_63.53%
0.03066890 Germany_BellBeaker:I5529__BC_2300__Cov_38.55%
0.03087387 Germany_BellBeaker:I1546__BC_2275__Cov_12.99%
0.03157084 England_BellBeaker_highEEF:I5379__BC_2383__Cov_59. 51%
0.03167909 Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia2:KOP001__BC_2300__Cov _39.11%
0.03243137 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7213__BC_2281__Cov_64.18%
0.03247738 Poland_Southeast_BellBeaker.SG:pcw260_noUDG.SG__BC _2287__Cov_65.88%
0.03273068 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7278__BC_2383__Cov_67.72%
0.03338872 Czechia_BellBeaker:VLI022__BC_2315__Cov_23.30%
0.03357658 Germany_BellBeaker:I0111__BC_2353__Cov_46.91%
0.03466645 Czechia_BellBeaker:HOP003__BC_2300__Cov_71.82%
0.03505275 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:UNTA85_1343__BC_2258__Cov_ 68.81%
0.03505332 France_LaClape_LN_EMBA_BellBeakerPossible.SG:GBVPK .SG__BC_2386__Cov_58.17%
0.03517094 Czechia_BellBeaker:KOP003__BC_2392__Cov_45.77%
0.03532833 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1005__BC_2381__Cov_58.59%
0.03535190 Czechia_EBA:I7196__BC_2300__Cov_61.33%
0.03578011 Czechia_BellBeaker:KOP002__BC_2300__Cov_48.85%
0.03606399 Germany_Bavaria_BellBeaker:E09569__BC_2272__Cov_70 .40%
0.03832280 Germany_BellBeaker:I5525__BC_2300__Cov_67.51%
0.03834736 Germany_BellBeaker_contam:I0805__BC_2302__Cov_18.7 2%
0.03848920 Hungary_EBA_BellBeaker:I2365__BC_2349__Cov_78.51%
0.03891025 Czechia_BellBeaker:I5666__BC_2300__Cov_24.36%
0.03982485 England_BellBeaker_highWHG:I2446__BC_2265__Cov_41. 39%
Target: PictsScotland_LIA
Distance: 1.6917% / 0.01691692 | ADC: 1x
42.8 Germany_Unetice_EBA:I0114__BC_2052__Cov_60.35%
21.2 Poland_BellBeaker:I6583__BC_2188__Cov_71.95%
14.0 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU011__BC_2052__Cov_63.56%
11.4 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I7210__BC_2121__Cov_63.61%
8.6 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15644__BC_2000__Cov_62.98%
2.0 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU023__BC_2086__Cov_47.98%
Target: Celtic?BritonsEngland_LIA
Distance: 1.7200% / 0.01719961 | ADC: 1x
45.0 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1003__BC_2210__Cov_74.39%
13.6 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU016__BC_2087__Cov_57.87%
9.6 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7269__BC_2250__Cov_59.88%
8.8 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_99_d__BC_2012__Cov_6.23%
8.4 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4889__BC_2181__Cov_72.16%
7.6 Germany_BellBeaker:I6590__BC_2250__Cov_71.50%
7.0 Germany_BellBeaker:I3588__BC_2225__Cov_35.91%
Target: PictsScotland_LIA
Distance: 1.4842% / 0.01484160 | ADC: 0.5x
26.0 Germany_Unetice_EBA:I0114__BC_2052__Cov_60.35%
15.4 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15644__BC_2000__Cov_62.98%
14.4 Poland_BellBeaker:I6583__BC_2188__Cov_71.95%
11.8 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU011__BC_2052__Cov_63.56%
11.0 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I7210__BC_2121__Cov_63.61%
9.8 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU023__BC_2086__Cov_47.98%
6.6 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_99_d__BC_2012__Cov_6.23%
3.2 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I16109__BC_2000__Cov_50.91%
1.2 England_C_EBA:I16396__BC_2000__Cov_15.08%
0.6 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU061__BC_2050__Cov_41.74%
Target: Celtic?BritonsEngland_LIA
Distance: 0.9366% / 0.00936611 | ADC: 0.5x
24.0 Germany_BellBeaker:I3588__BC_2225__Cov_35.91%
17.4 Czechia_BellBeaker_late:I4887__BC_2121__Cov_69.60%
16.4 Czechia_BellBeaker:KO1003__BC_2210__Cov_74.39%
8.4 England_C_EBA:I14543__BC_2025__Cov_65.27%
8.4 Sweden_Megalithic_Frälsegården_LN:FRA301__BC_2006_ _Cov_64.09%
7.4 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4889__BC_2181__Cov_72.16%
7.0 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:WEHR_1192SkA__BC_2243__Cov _81.24%
6.0 Sweden_N_Falköping_5:NEO220__BC_2036__Cov_unknown
4.0 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_99_d__BC_2012__Cov_6.23%
0.4 Germany_BellBeaker:I6590__BC_2250__Cov_71.50%
0.4 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4945__BC_2227__Cov_45.19%
0.2 Czechia_BellBeaker:I7269__BC_2250__Cov_59.88%
In both cases, BB is the main source of origin. The Picts seem to be a more primitive people similar to England_BellBeaker:I5512__BC_2300. And the Brits look as if they had continental connections. The situation around 2000 BC is interesting. The Picts then begin to correlate with the people of Unetice. This situation is quite mysterious.
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02282483 Scotland_LIA:I27385__AD_34__Cov_72.43%
0.02663483 England_EastYorkshire_LIA:I22062__AD_20__Cov_68.41 %
0.02820282 PictsScotland_LIA
0.03154529 Celtic?BritonsEngland_LIA
0.03209156 Scotland_LIA:I3568__AD_38__Cov_68.53%
0.03318618 England_LIA:I21302__AD_28__Cov_65.56%
0.03385899 Scotland_IA:I16504__AD_34__Cov_57.37%
0.03655224 Scotland_LIA:I27384__AD_5__Cov_59.84%
0.03881355 England_LIA:I18599__AD_26__Cov_57.98%
0.05207037 England_LIA:I14552_d__AD_3__Cov_13.67%
0.05320338 Scotland_LIA:I16413__AD_30__Cov_15.75%
Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.7713% / 0.01771337
50.4 Scotland_LIA:I27385__AD_34__Cov_72.43%
21.0 England_LIA:I21302__AD_28__Cov_65.56%
20.4 England_EastYorkshire_LIA:I22062__AD_20__Cov_68.41 %
4.4 England_LIA:I14552_d__AD_3__Cov_13.67%
2.2 Scotland_LIA:I3568__AD_38__Cov_68.53%
1.6 Scotland_IA:I16504__AD_34__Cov_57.37%
celticdragongod
12-02-2024, 02:17 PM
Do you have any idea for a sample of the British Celts? Should we also look for them in the period before the Roman invasion?
Are there any high quality samples from before the Roman invasion?
Athalafuns
12-02-2024, 05:47 PM
The Picts seem to be a more primitive people similar to England_BellBeaker:I5512__BC_2300. And the Brits look as if they had continental connections. The situation around 2000 BC is interesting. The Picts then begin to correlate with the people of Unetice. This situation is quite mysterious.
Urnfield here. Almost all the Pictish genes were already in the islands, except for a percentage arriving via the Frisian coast. I would venture to say that this coast was used as a post-Unetice port to the islands, including Ireland.
Target: PictsScotland_LIA
Distance: 1.0996% / 0.01099582 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.2 Scotland_LBA
32.4 England_LBA
18.4 Netherlands_LBA
Distance to: Netherlands_LBA:I20062__BC_860__Cov_69.35%
0.02999464 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath1_noUDG.SG__BC_1947__Cov_99.89%
0.03095957 Czechia_EBA:I4884__BC_1808__Cov_72.68%
0.03151995 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB046__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03211258 Netherlands_BellBeaker:I4076__BC_1813__Cov_37.86%
0.03315800 England_BellBeaker:I2447__BC_1988__Cov_77.60%
0.03326724 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB084__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03364811 England_LBA_lowEEF:I13711__BC_978__Cov_72.69%
0.03397229 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
0.03476237 Netherlands_BellBeaker:I4067_enhanced__BC_1820__Co v_11.83%
0.03534240 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0164__BC_1956__Cov_72.89%
0.03558110 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7958__BC_2000__Cov_74.70%
0.03587995 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:BNL008__BC_1976__Cov_63.95%
0.03600624 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15644__BC_2000__Cov_62.98%
0.03621129 England_C_EBA:I2421__BC_1840__Cov_33.62%
0.03638463 England_C_EBA:I18606__BC_1820__Cov_57.92%
0.03651775 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB047__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03669775 Scotland_LBA:I2860__BC_874__Cov_70.84%
0.03787505 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.03827195 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB072__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.03856536 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB051__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03858021 Scotland_LBA:I2861__BC_893__Cov_53.76%
0.03866643 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB028__BC_1905__Cov_68.40%
0.03912383 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7964__BC_2000__Cov_79.54%
0.03941112 England_LBA:I14358__BC_858__Cov_62.54%
0.03947943 England_LBA:I16469__BC_995__Cov_31.65%
In contrast, the Britons were a younger population. A third of their genes are continental proto-Celtic in this model, so their ethnogenesis was considerably later than that of the Picts.
Target: Celtic?BritonsEngland_LIA
Distance: 0.9718% / 0.00971830 | ADC: 0.5x RC
48.6 England_LBA
22.6 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
15.0 Scotland_LBA
13.8 Hungary_LBA_Kyjatice.SG
Are there any high quality samples from before the Roman invasion?
Since the invasion began in AD 43, I would consider high coverage samples from the 1AD-40AD (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?390571-Bridging-the-Nordic-gap-What-the-1st-century-Goths-can-tell-us-about-the-Bronze-Age&p=8116504&viewfull=1#post8116504) period to be reliable.
Urnfield here. Almost all the Pictish genes were already in the islands, except for a percentage arriving via the Frisian coast. I would venture to say that this coast was used as a post-Unetice port to the islands, including Ireland.
Target: PictsScotland_LIA
Distance: 1.0996% / 0.01099582 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.2 Scotland_LBA
32.4 England_LBA
18.4 Netherlands_LBA
Distance to: Netherlands_LBA:I20062__BC_860__Cov_69.35%
0.02999464 Ireland_EBA.SG:rath1_noUDG.SG__BC_1947__Cov_99.89%
0.03095957 Czechia_EBA:I4884__BC_1808__Cov_72.68%
0.03151995 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB046__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03211258 Netherlands_BellBeaker:I4076__BC_1813__Cov_37.86%
0.03315800 England_BellBeaker:I2447__BC_1988__Cov_77.60%
0.03326724 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB084__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03364811 England_LBA_lowEEF:I13711__BC_978__Cov_72.69%
0.03397229 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:VLI065__BC_1986__Cov_33.84%
0.03476237 Netherlands_BellBeaker:I4067_enhanced__BC_1820__Co v_11.83%
0.03534240 Germany_EBA_Unetice:I0164__BC_1956__Cov_72.89%
0.03558110 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7958__BC_2000__Cov_74.70%
0.03587995 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:BNL008__BC_1976__Cov_63.95%
0.03600624 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15644__BC_2000__Cov_62.98%
0.03621129 England_C_EBA:I2421__BC_1840__Cov_33.62%
0.03638463 England_C_EBA:I18606__BC_1820__Cov_57.92%
0.03651775 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB047__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03669775 Scotland_LBA:I2860__BC_874__Cov_70.84%
0.03787505 Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU027__BC_1917__Cov_63.65%
0.03827195 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB072__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.03856536 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB051__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03858021 Scotland_LBA:I2861__BC_893__Cov_53.76%
0.03866643 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB028__BC_1905__Cov_68.40%
0.03912383 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I7964__BC_2000__Cov_79.54%
0.03941112 England_LBA:I14358__BC_858__Cov_62.54%
0.03947943 England_LBA:I16469__BC_995__Cov_31.65%
In contrast, the Britons were a younger population. A third of their genes are continental proto-Celtic in this model, so their ethnogenesis was considerably later than that of the Picts.
Target: Celtic?BritonsEngland_LIA
Distance: 0.9718% / 0.00971830 | ADC: 0.5x RC
48.6 England_LBA
22.6 Czechia_LBA_Knoviz
15.0 Scotland_LBA
13.8 Hungary_LBA_Kyjatice.SG
So this is a more primal overlap with the populations of the wide circle of Unetice.
https://i.ibb.co/4JtNkRg/Vahaduo-Global-25-Europe-1-PCA-16.png (https://ibb.co/HX4gZTp)
Athalafuns
12-02-2024, 07:37 PM
My own 2000BC-1500BC result:
Target: RNB27
Distance: 1.3350% / 0.01335048 | ADC: 0.5x RC
24.2 Croatia_MBA_Cetina
17.8 Spain_BA.SG
17.4 Czechia_EBA_Unetice
16.8 Germany_Lech_EBA
15.0 Spain_Zapateria_Argar
8.8 Scotland_C_EBA_highEEF_low_res
Later I will look more closely at the Picts issue. Fascinating.
My next task will be to decipher this high Croatia whenever I take MBA/LBA tests.
unmoggable
12-02-2024, 09:06 PM
Target: unmoggable
Distance: 0.7637% / 0.00763749 | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.8 Czechia_EBA_Unetice
25.0 Germany_Lech_EBA
11.6 Wales_C_EBA
5.6 England_C_EBA_highEEF
3.8 Germany_SouthernGermany_Singen_EBA
3.2 England_BellBeaker_mediumEEF
Target: unmoggable
Distance: 0.4986% / 0.00498625 | ADC: 0.25x RC
29.8 Czechia_EBA_Unetice
16.0 Wales_C_EBA
12.8 England_C_EBA_highEEF
11.8 Germany_Lech_EBA
10.6 Greece_S.Mainland_LBA
10.0 Sweden_N_Sillvik
5.8 Hungary_Füzesabony_MBA
3.2 England_C_EBA
Target: unmoggable
Distance: 0.2280% / 0.00228018
25.8 Czechia_EBA_Unetice
22.8 Sweden_N_Falköping_5
6.6 England_C_EBA_low_res
6.2 Germany_Lech_EBA
5.6 Greece_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res
5.4 England_C_EBA_highEEF
5.0 France_GrandEst_EBA.SG
4.4 Hungary_Füzesabony_MBA
3.2 England_C_EBA
3.2 Greece_Crete_LBA
3.0 Russia_MLBA_Sintashta
2.6 Sweden_N_Vattenledningen
2.2 Poland_Mierzanowice_EBA
1.8 Greece_S.Mainland_LBA
0.6 Denmark_BA_Vasagård
0.6 Turkey_Alalakh_MLBA
0.4 Sweden_N_Sillvik
0.2 England_EBA
0.2 Spain_Formentera_MBA
0.2 Sweden_Megalithic_Nästegården_LN
0.02465595 Germany_Lech_EBA:AITI_50_noUDG__BC_1823__Cov_28.07 %
0.02711819 England_BellBeaker_mediumEEF:I6680__BC_1721__Cov_7 5.79%
0.02727050 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15824__BC_1950__Cov_62.02%
0.02888700 Germany_Lech_EBA:POST_6__BC_1923__Cov_81.22%
0.03061723 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14185__BC_1900__Cov_64.68%
0.03117247 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIS002__BC_1933__Cov_74.54%
0.03206282 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB007__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03220817 England_C_EBA:I5377__BC_1808__Cov_71.13%
0.03240394 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15642__BC_2000__Cov_31.30%
0.03283932 Wales_C_EBA:I1775__BC_1613__Cov_35.10%
0.03310534 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1009__BC_1944__Cov_54.10%
0.03327471 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14191__BC_1900__Cov_61.38%
0.03355361 England_C_EBA:I18606__BC_1820__Cov_57.92%
0.03375294 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB026__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03399309 England_C_EBA:I7570__BC_1619__Cov_66.09%
0.03413418 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB008__BC_1860__Cov_19.75%
0.03426632 Germany_Lech_EBA_contam:WEHR_1415child__BC_1952__C ov_42.22%
0.03455191 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB032__BC_1883__Cov_24.02%
0.03481958 Netherlands_EBA:I4070__BC_1753__Cov_59.45%
0.03518220 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I14585__BC_1900__Cov_64.34%
0.03519616 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:I15644__BC_2000__Cov_62.98%
0.03534841 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB039__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03535564 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:MIB082__BC_1829__Cov_42.11%
0.03574149 Scotland_C_EBA:I3132__BC_1977__Cov_65.82%
0.03584020 Czechia_EBA_Unetice:KO1013__BC_1964__Cov_51.86%
Athalafuns
12-03-2024, 12:36 AM
My next task will be to decipher this high Croatia whenever I take MBA/LBA tests.
In my opinion, it was an Urnfield faction that colonized today's northern Italy, Mediterranean France and northeastern Spain (mainly Catalans and their Balearic descendants), forming an axis. Despite this, they were not proto-Celtic but parallel to them: both factions distinguished themselves after EBA Serbia, which looks like a common source or midpoint. This may be very significant in linguistic terms, the origin of the Italic IE group parallel to Celtic and not as a descendant of it.
Distance to: Croatia_MBA_Cetina:I18745__BC_1800__Cov_59.21%
0.02180175 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.02266568 Italian_Bergamo
0.02413646 Italian_Veneto
0.02520716 Italian_Lombardy
0.02697674 Italian_Piedmont
0.02735295 French_Provence
0.02774390 Italian_Northeast
0.02811556 Italian_Liguria
0.02816438 Spanish_Menorca
0.02848107 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02958197 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03066422 Spanish_Penedes
0.03068437 Spanish_Baleares
0.03119167 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03142769 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03142802 Italian_Emilia
0.03154734 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03187727 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03191764 Swiss_French
0.03217675 Spanish_Lleida
0.03244600 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03262733 Spanish_Girona
0.03290341 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03324019 French_Auvergne
0.03370362 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
Distance to: Croatia_EIA:I5729__BC_970__Cov_55.77%
0.02248885 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.02343559 Italian_Veneto
0.02491323 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02572170 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.02632181 Spanish_Baleares
0.02640164 French_Provence
0.02676366 Italian_Bergamo
0.02685661 Spanish_Girona
0.02691775 Italian_Northeast
0.02750083 Spanish_Penedes
0.02760128 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02842946 Spanish_Menorca
0.02853105 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02869382 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02940466 Swiss_French
0.03002392 Spanish_Lleida
0.03027621 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03035717 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03037746 French_Auvergne
0.03093290 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03099088 Italian_Lombardy
0.03136517 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03152140 Italian_Piedmont
0.03257340 Spanish_Pirineu
0.03317099 Spanish_Castello
https://i.postimg.cc/BbRffDm7/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-8.png (https://postimg.cc/30jcgy52)
Athalafuns
12-03-2024, 10:53 AM
In my opinion, it was an Urnfield faction that colonized today's northern Italy, Mediterranean France and northeastern Spain (mainly Catalans and their Balearic descendants), forming an axis. Despite this, they were not proto-Celtic but parallel to them: both factions distinguished themselves after EBA Serbia, which looks like a common source or midpoint. This may be very significant in linguistic terms, the origin of the Italic IE group parallel to Celtic and not as a descendant of it.
The Southern Gauls are partly related to Croatia MLBA/EIA (Urnfield period) and fall at the same intersection point as Serbia EBA. On the other side, as a parallel people, are the Czech Celts and the Northern Gauls.
So I am correcting myself. The Croatian Urnfields who invaded northern Italy, Mediterranean France and Catalonia were indeed partially proto-Celtic. The other stratum of their genotype would be similar to that of the proto-Illyrians.
https://i.postimg.cc/B65Hx2zW/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views.png (https://postimg.cc/G824RTrz)
The Southern Gauls are partly related to Croatia MLBA/EIA (Urnfield period) and fall at the same intersection point as Serbia EBA. On the other side, as a parallel people, are the Czech Celts and the Northern Gauls.
So I am correcting myself. The Croatian Urnfields who invaded northern Italy, Mediterranean France and Catalonia were indeed partially proto-Celtic. The other stratum of their genotype would be similar to that of the proto-Illyrians.
https://i.postimg.cc/B65Hx2zW/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views.png (https://postimg.cc/G824RTrz)
C
roatia_MBA_Cetina:I11843__BC_1800__Cov_34.08%,0.12 7482,0.144205,0.018856,-0.00646,0.026774,-0.007809,-0.001645,-0.001846,0.000818,0.030069,0.001786,0.003897,-0.010109,-0.003991,-0.018322,0.004641,0.008345,0.008361,0.00993,-0.008879,-0.009982,0.002597,-0.012818,0.003494,-0.007664
Croatia_MBA_Cetina:I18745__BC_1800__Cov_59.21%,0.1 25205,0.147252,0.031678,-0.002907,0.039084,0.002231,-0.000705,-0.003231,0.003477,0.02442,0.000162,0.007044,-0.020961,-0.006468,-0.00285,-0.006895,-0.008345,0.005574,0.006662,-0.001501,0.002745,0.00371,0.000493,-0.004217,0.000838
Croatia_MBA_Cetina:I18746__BC_1800__Cov_54.90%,0.1 27482,0.152329,0.026776,-0.001938,0.029852,-0.001952,-0.002585,-0.003923,0.007158,0.01877,0.003248,0.013788,-0.021704,-0.003578,-0.0095,-0.00716,0.008345,0.003547,0.007793,-0.006253,-0.007986,-0.002226,-0.000863,0.005422,-0.005748
Croatia_MBA_Cetina:I18747__BC_1800__Cov_37.45%,0.1 18376,0.145221,0.026398,-0.010013,0.02739,-0.009761,0.001175,0.003923,0.01268,0.022962,0.0082 82,0.004946,-0.010852,-0.010046,-0.008822,-0.01432,0.00352,0.006841,-0.001257,-0.006503,-0.005615,-0.004946,0,-0.009519,-0.00491
Croatia_MBA_Cetina:I18752__BC_1800__Cov_50.60%,0.1 33173,0.141159,0.032809,0.00646,0.020927,0.002789, 0.005405,0.002538,0.009204,0.01221,0.002923,0.0097 41,-0.015015,-0.010046,0.000407,-0.010872,-0.015385,0.003674,0.005531,-0.003502,-0.001872,0.006801,0.001725,-0.005904,-0.001796
Croatia_MBA_Cetina:I19017__BC_1800__Cov_9.68%,0.12 5205,0.153345,0.036204,-0.00323,0.022773,-0.009482,-0.00141,-0.004384,0.014521,0.031527,-0.011692,0.018583,-0.015461,-0.015414,-0.0038,-0.001856,0.005346,0.007221,-0.008296,-0.014882,-0.004617,0.006059,-0.000123,0.006989,-0.014729
Croatia_MBA_Cetina:I19027__BC_1800__Cov_30.42%,0.1 30897,0.159438,0.025644,0.010336,0.020927,-0.003347,-0.002115,0.001385,0.009408,0.02442,0.004547,0.0088 42,-0.021853,0.002477,-0.002036,-0.007955,-0.007693,-0.003801,-0.002388,-0.004377,0.001996,-0.000495,-0.002218,-0.00723,-0.004311
Croatia_MBA_Cetina:I19032__BC_1800__Cov_9.47%,0.13 4311,0.155376,0.019233,-0.002261,0.020311,-0.008367,0.011045,-0.002769,0.012067,0.035172,-0.011367,0.009292,-0.011744,-0.035644,-0.00095,-0.00769,0.032987,-0.010769,0.001508,0.015758,-0.013227,-0.001855,-0.002835,0.014701,-0.023231
AVG
Croatia_MBA_Cetina,0.1277664,0.1497906,0.0271998,-0.0012516,0.0260048,-0.0044622,0.0011456,-0.0010384,0.0086666,0.0249438,-0.0002639,0.0095166,-0.0159624,-0.0103388,-0.0057341,-0.0065134,0.00339,0.002581,0.0024354,-0.0037674,-0.0048198,0.0012056,-0.0020799,0.000467,-0.0076939
2200-2700BC
Distance to: Croatia_MBA_Cetina
0.02718557 Germany_Bavaria_BellBeaker:E09538__BC_2337__Cov_47 .43%
0.02766271 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:UNTA58_68Sk1__BC_2300__Cov _46.39%
0.02975344 Hungary_EBA_Protonagyrev:I7040__BC_2350__Cov_12.41 %
0.03357966 Greece_Logkas_MBA.SG:Log02.SG__BC_2300__Cov_98.86%
0.03458682 Czechia_BellBeaker:I4885__BC_2220__Cov_69.44%
0.03495630 Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia1:PRU001__BC_2381__Cov _44.34%
0.03589923 Germany_BellBeaker:I5524__BC_2300__Cov_49.89%
0.03705971 Greece_Logkas_MBA.SG:Log04.SG__BC_2300__Cov_98.89%
0.03853638 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:I5520__BC_2300__Cov_23.47%
0.03890713 Croatia_Popova_CA.SG:POP39_noUDG.SG__BC_2676__Cov_ 83.43%
0.03952972 Greece_Theopetra_BA:G23__BC_2238__Cov_39.61%
0.04271445 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:I4124__BC_2328__Cov_17.68%
0.04453729 Bulgaria_EBA:I19459__BC_2375__Cov_19.11%
0.04560861 Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia2:HOP004__BC_2272__Cov _68.82%
0.04667790 Switzerland_BellBeaker:I5759__BC_2225__Cov_10.51%
0.04706217 Romania_Glavanesti_o1:I11912__BC_2300__Cov_5.39%
0.04707944 Bulgaria_EBA_oNorth:I19458__BC_2387__Cov_18.89%
0.04878945 Bulgaria_EBA:I19460__BC_2375__Cov_12.34%
0.04935260 Germany_BellBeaker:I3590__BC_2236__Cov_36.64%
0.04944199 Hungary_EBA_BellBeaker:I4131__BC_2355__Cov_11.24%
0.04979947 Germany_BellBeaker:I3594__BC_2225__Cov_53.32%
0.05054298 Hungary_EBA_BellBeaker:I2364__BC_2270__Cov_65.38%
0.05087533 Poland_BellBeaker:I6581__BC_2278__Cov_53.56%
0.05112525 Germany_BellBeaker:I6591__BC_2250__Cov_70.77%
0.05305430 Germany_BellBeaker:I5529__BC_2300__Cov_38.55%
Target: Croatia_MBA_Cetina
Distance: 0.8878% / 0.00887849 | ADC: 0.25x RC
29.0 Greece_Logkas_MBA.SG:Log02.SG__BC_2300__Cov_98.86%
18.2 Germany_Lech_BellBeaker:I5520__BC_2300__Cov_23.47%
14.0 Czechia_BellBeaker_oAnatolia2:KOP001__BC_2300__Cov _39.11%
13.4 Germany_Bavaria_BellBeaker:E09538__BC_2337__Cov_47 .43%
8.0 Greece_S.Mainland-Islands_EBA:NST004__BC_2473__Cov_12.75%
8.0 Romania_Glavanesti_o1:I11912__BC_2300__Cov_5.39%
5.2 Greece_Logkas_MBA.SG:Log04.SG__BC_2300__Cov_98.89%
3.2 Switzerland_BellBeaker:I5759__BC_2225__Cov_10.51%
1.0 Bulgaria_EBA_oNorth:I19458__BC_2387__Cov_18.89%
We definitely have BB affiliations. In my opinion, we are also dealing with Greek and perhaps Anatolian migration. Low WHG levels seem to confirm this.
Athalafuns
12-09-2024, 06:32 PM
By subjecting these Goths to the 2600BC-2400BC model (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?389690-2600BC-2400BC-model-the-birth-of-BB) (precisely the Battle Axe context) we observe that only 10 of them show blood ties with the Scandinavian BAC. On the contrary, it is verified that the greatest genetic load of the Goths came from post-Corded Czechia/Poland and Switzerland/Germany
I am bringing here a selection of Early Medieval Saxons which correlate mainly with modern Norwegians, Danes and Icelanders. When subjecting them to the same model as the early Goths, we see a fairly similar profile but with two differences worth highlighting:
I. The Saxons show less genetic load from the Polish CW area than the Goths.
II. The Saxons do share a considerable Battle Axe Culture heritage, at least significantly more than the Goths.
All this indicates that the difference between West and East Germanic speakers also involved a slight genetic variation. The key point seems to be the population replacement carried out in the Southern Swedish area by Unetice conquerors, largely erasing the BAC substrate there, as I showed in this thread. By correlation, we must deduce that the maximum replacements came from the Polish area specifically, hence the Saxons show a somewhat differentiated profile both in the Poland and BAC parameters when compared to the Goths.
[The samples labeled Poland below are the early Goths]
https://i.postimg.cc/CKhRmwp4/Screenshot-2024-12-09-at-20-04-20-Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-North-Europe.png (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/Btf6D0CH/Screenshot-2024-12-09-at-20-05-43-Vahaduo-Admixture-JS-22-05.png (https://postimg.cc/V04mQ2pk)
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