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Voskos
12-06-2024, 10:30 AM
Tiryns_IA:TIR008,0.124067,0.161469,-0.008297,-0.067184,0.044624,-0.032072,0.000235,-0.002538,0.012885,0.051937,-0.000325,0.012589,-0.013825,0.000275,-0.023887,0.005436,0.026338,-0.005574,0.005405,-0.012506,-0.018967,0.000124,0.006655,0.003615,-0.000359
Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG,0.121791,0.09546,0.061471, 0.129201,-0.012925,0.053826,0.00329,0.009923,-0.050722,-0.080366,-0.01023,-0.001499,0.000595,-0.022432,0.03773,-0.001989,-0.007041,0.005194,-0.001508,0.015883,-0.004866,0.004204,0.009737,0.021208,-0.011017
Russia_IA_Ingria.SG,0.1320347,0.1147547,0.1005657, 0.091517,0.0404177,0.0369993,0.0165293,0.0216917,0 .0002047,-0.0395453,0.0042223,-0.0197827,0.0276013,0.0292677,-0.0069217,-0.0045523,-0.0064757,0.004856,-0.0006283,0.001334,-0.005116,0.0029263,0.0065323,-0.0118087,-0.0045103
Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu,0.08992,-0.09546,0.039221,0.054587,-0.044931,0.018128,0.00846,0.001154,-0.020452,-0.031345,-0.012179,-0.008992,-0.003717,-0.02202,0.016829,-0.009281,-0.035856,-0.001394,0.009176,0.00025,-0.018592,0.005193,-0.003821,0.005784,-0.002155
Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic,0.102441,0.135065,-0.068259,-0.035853,-0.053856,0.008367,0.017861,-0.007154,-0.083446,-0.040092,0.009581,0.011989,-0.030624,0.003441,0.002307,-0.022142,0.015125,-0.005321,-0.011816,0.019509,0.024582,0.000495,-0.008134,-0.018195,-0.003113
Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG,0.037562,0.072103,-0.165556,-0.016473,-0.11756,0.01506,0.017861,-0.003231,-0.071583,-0.046835,0.003085,-0.003147,0.00669,0.000688,0.022122,0.053036,-0.011735,0.001014,0.014581,-0.035267,0.009358,-0.023741,-0.006655,-0.032896,0.019998
Syria_Ebla_EMBA,0.0907738,0.1469979,-0.064959,-0.0934681,-0.0151566,-0.0349309,-0.0044357,-0.0092881,7.69E-05,0.009704,0.0095401,-0.004646,0.0118184,0.0036125,-0.0083976,0.0036296,1.64E-05,0.0038799,0.0061278,0.0013286,0.0052095,0.00338 49,-0.0035742,0.0007981,-0.0001497
Ethiopian_Oromo,-0.276323,0.09552,-0.029992,-0.071231,0.002136,-0.033697,-0.008212,-0.00528,0.104427,-0.07119,-0.005712,-0.010297,0.010345,-0.00017,0.021811,-0.014265,0.015493,0.004993,0.007202,7.4e-05,0.002877,0.006226,-0.00369,0.002956,-0.002339
Ethiopian_Tigray,-0.215059,0.107109,-0.034828,-0.084854,0.000199,-0.039848,-0.016575,-0.000611,0.101287,-0.060492,-0.002359,-0.013779,0.019763,0.001449,0.021021,-0.009445,0.011604,0.000194,0.005856,0.003046,0.003 853,0.006525,-0.003038,0.003055,-0.00455
Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1160993,0.0805653,0. 028661,0.1088517,-0.0370323,0.040718,0.0054053,-0.005769,-0.06013,-0.073502,-0.0008663,-0.006794,-0.0014867,-0.0231667,0.033342,0.0069833,-0.0125167,-0.002534,-0.0077517,0.003835,0.000416,0.0074607,0.0072717,0. 012652,-0.0059077
Iran_ShahrISokhta_BA2,0.044391,-0.0343248,-0.1681958,0.0955436,-0.1037116,0.0572842,0.006721,0.0047538,0.006013,0. 0055398,-0.004969,0.0054252,-0.0026164,-0.0018166,0.0073562,0.0101828,-0.0039374,0.0036738,0.0002764,-0.0128312,0.0030696,-0.0138738,-0.0007396,-0.0102904,0.001341



Target: Greek_Corinthia
Distance: 1.1511% / 0.01151068
51.4 Tiryns_IA
19.4 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
17.6 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
6.2 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
5.0 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
0.4 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu

Target: Greek_Argolis
Distance: 1.2357% / 0.01235701
50.2 Tiryns_IA
21.8 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
16.6 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
6.8 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
3.2 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
1.4 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu

Target: Greek_Arcadia
Distance: 1.2800% / 0.01279972
47.0 Tiryns_IA
24.4 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
19.4 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
5.8 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
2.0 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
1.4 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu

Target: Greek_Crete_Lasithi
Distance: 1.1095% / 0.01109487
44.0 Tiryns_IA
33.0 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
7.8 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
7.4 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
5.4 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
1.6 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
0.8 Ethiopian_Oromo

Target: Greek_Crete_Heraklion
Distance: 1.9682% / 0.01968182
36.6 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
34.0 Tiryns_IA
9.8 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
9.0 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
8.0 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
1.6 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
1.0 Ethiopian_Oromo

Target: Greek_Crete_Chania
Distance: 1.5157% / 0.01515696
38.0 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
35.0 Tiryns_IA
17.6 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
4.6 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
3.0 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
1.8 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG

Target: Greek_Crete
Distance: 1.0003% / 0.01000321
37.2 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
37.2 Tiryns_IA
12.0 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
7.2 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
5.2 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
0.6 Ethiopian_Oromo
0.6 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu

Target: Greek_Central_Anatolia
Distance: 1.6775% / 0.01677534
43.6 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
26.4 Tiryns_IA
22.0 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
3.6 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
2.2 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
1.4 Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya
0.8 Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG

Target: Greek_South_Tsakonia
Distance: 0.9915% / 0.00991519
47.0 Tiryns_IA
23.8 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
16.4 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
7.6 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
3.8 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
1.4 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu

Target: Greek_Trabzon
Distance: 1.6453% / 0.01645324
45.2 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
32.6 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
21.0 Tiryns_IA
0.8 Iran_ShahrISokhta_BA2
0.4 Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya

Target: Greek_North_Tsakonia
Distance: 1.6625% / 0.01662473
41.8 Tiryns_IA
26.6 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
22.2 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
6.2 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
2.2 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
1.0 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu

Target: Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
Distance: 1.5208% / 0.01520834
53.2 Tiryns_IA
17.8 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
12.4 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
10.6 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
6.0 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu

Target: Greek_Cyclades_Milos
Distance: 1.6187% / 0.01618681
51.2 Tiryns_IA
20.2 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
9.6 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
9.2 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
7.2 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
2.0 Iran_ShahrISokhta_BA2
0.6 Ethiopian_Oromo

Target: Greek_Cyclades_Kea
Distance: 1.7854% / 0.01785440
52.6 Tiryns_IA
17.4 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
15.8 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
6.2 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
3.0 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
2.4 Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG
1.6 Ethiopian_Tigray
1.0 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu

Target: Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
Distance: 1.6687% / 0.01668709
43.8 Tiryns_IA
29.6 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
12.0 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
9.8 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
3.4 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
1.4 Ethiopian_Tigray

Target: Greek_West_Taygetos
Distance: 1.0847% / 0.01084700
43.0 Tiryns_IA
23.6 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
23.2 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
6.6 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
3.6 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic

Target: Greek_North_Tsakonia
Distance: 1.6625% / 0.01662473
41.8 Tiryns_IA
26.6 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
22.2 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
6.2 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
2.2 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
1.0 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu

Target: Greek_Messenia
Distance: 1.4612% / 0.01461241
47.0 Tiryns_IA
22.6 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
19.6 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
5.4 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
4.8 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
0.6 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu

Target: Greek_Laconia
Distance: 1.2616% / 0.01261612
44.8 Tiryns_IA
24.4 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
21.6 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
4.6 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
4.2 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
0.4 Ethiopian_Oromo

Target: Greek_East_Taygetos
Distance: 1.2356% / 0.01235557
44.0 Tiryns_IA
25.0 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
21.4 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
5.0 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
4.4 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
0.2 Ethiopian_Oromo

Target: Greek_Deep_Mani
Distance: 1.2314% / 0.01231378
42.8 Tiryns_IA
33.6 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
14.4 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
5.4 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
3.2 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
0.4 Ethiopian_Oromo
0.2 Iran_ShahrISokhta_BA2

Target: Greek_Achaea
Distance: 1.1028% / 0.01102790
47.6 Tiryns_IA
22.2 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
21.0 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
5.4 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
3.4 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
0.4 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
Kenshiro
12-06-2024, 10:34 AM
Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 2.3852% / 0.02385218
61.2 Tiryns_IA
9.8 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
9.0 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
6.4 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
6.4 Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya
3.0 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
2.4 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
1.8 Ethiopian_Tigray
bad fit obviosly for me, i'm not Greek but look cool
Voskos
12-06-2024, 10:37 AM
Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 2.3852% / 0.02385218
61.2 Tiryns_IA
9.8 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
9.0 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
6.4 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
6.4 Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya
3.0 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
2.4 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
1.8 Ethiopian_Tigray
bad fit obviosly for me, i'm not Greek but look cool

cool results. Thanks for posting.
Rhegion
12-06-2024, 10:45 AM
I have not so bad fits:

Target: Me
Distance: 1.4882% / 0.01488216
45.0 Tiryns_IA
36.0 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
8.6 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
5.6 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
3.6 Ethiopian_Tigray
1.2 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic

Target: Father
Distance: 1.9360% / 0.01936002
43.8 Tiryns_IA
38.0 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
12.4 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
4.0 Ethiopian_Tigray
1.8 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG

Target: Maternal_Grandpa
Distance: 1.5014% / 0.01501404
52.4 Tiryns_IA
21.8 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
8.6 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
7.2 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
5.8 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
3.8 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.4 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu

Target: Maternal_Grandma
Distance: 1.8777% / 0.01877736
44.6 Tiryns_IA
32.2 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
12.2 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
7.0 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
4.0 Ethiopian_Tigray

Target: Cousin
Distance: 1.6820% / 0.01681963
53.6 Tiryns_IA
22.2 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
10.6 Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya
8.4 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
5.0 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.2 Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG
Rhegion
12-06-2024, 10:59 AM
Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 2.3852% / 0.02385218
61.2 Tiryns_IA
9.8 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
9.0 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
6.4 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
6.4 Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya
3.0 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
2.4 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
1.8 Ethiopian_Tigray
bad fit obviosly for me, i'm not Greek but look cool

What are your closest distances to modern Southern Greeks if you run that sheet? https://pastebin.com/fhcjFZuf
Anatolya
12-06-2024, 11:12 AM
Target: Anatolya_scaled
Distance: 0.6507% / 0.00650716
41.0 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
17.4 Tiryns_IA
16.6 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
7.2 Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG
6.8 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
4.0 Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya
3.2 Iran_ShahrISokhta_BA2
2.8 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
1.0 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
Upsilander
12-06-2024, 01:15 PM
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 4.7530% / 0.04753034
47.6 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
38.4 Tiryns_IA
14.0 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG

Keepin it real, keepin it below 5


Distance to: Upsilander_Scaled
0.10423053 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
0.16109380 Tiryns_IA:TIR008
0.16726270 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
0.17403104 Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya
0.21544724 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
0.22198228 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
0.27218504 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
0.34159182 Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG
0.35491072 Iran_ShahrISokhta_BA2
0.42247632 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.47328658 Ethiopian_Oromo
vader
12-06-2024, 01:57 PM
Target: Algarvio_scaled
Distance: 4.8863% / 0.04886348
58.8 Tiryns_IA
26.8 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
7.6 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
6.2 Ethiopian_Oromo
0.6 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
EasternLusitanian
12-06-2024, 03:16 PM
Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0545% / 0.05445810
63.7 Tiryns_IA
16.4 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
13.7 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
6.2 Ethiopian_Tigray
Kenshiro
12-06-2024, 04:20 PM
What are your closest distances to modern Southern Greeks if you run that sheet? https://pastebin.com/fhcjFZuf

Distance to: Kenshiro_scaled
0.02148180 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia
0.02244567 Greek_North_Aegean_Samos
0.02450489 Greek_North_Aegean_Thasos
0.02499771 Greek_Peloponnese_Elis
0.02505569 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Eurotas
0.02532745 Greek_Peloponnese_Corinthia
0.02538620 Greek_Peloponnese_Argolis
0.02549809 Greek_Peloponnese_Messenia
0.02576534 Greek_Peloponnese_Arcadia_North_Kynouria
0.02650263 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Vardounia/East_Taygetos
0.02653020 Greek_Peloponnese_Arcadia
0.02657242 Greek_Peloponnese_Achaea
0.02695534 Greek_Dodecanese_Patmos
0.02719905 Greek_North_Aegean_Samothrace
0.02732311 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Sparta
0.02838869 Greek_Peloponnese_Tsakonia_Inland
0.02850353 Greek_Peloponnese_Outer_Mani
0.02853445 Greek_Peloponnese_Tsakonia_Littoral
0.02895967 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Monemvasia
0.03093542 Greek_Cyclades_Andros
0.03106302 Greek_Cyclades_Paros
0.03237638 Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.03330131 Greek_North_Aegean_Lesbos
0.03377358 Greek_North_Aegean_Fourni
0.03389097 Greek_North_Aegean_Lemnos
This
Dušan
12-06-2024, 04:23 PM
Good distance (below 3)

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.6924% / 0.02692425
53.6 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
39.4 Tiryns_IA
6.4 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
0.4 Iran_ShahrISokhta_BA2
0.2 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
Pater Patota
12-06-2024, 05:04 PM
Target: PP_scaled
Distance: 1.0793% / 0.01079251
26.4 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
24.2 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
21.8 Tiryns_IA
11.8 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
8.6 Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG
5.2 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
2.0 Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya

Distance to: PP_scaled
0.09316658 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
0.09699350 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
0.13698853 Tiryns_IA:TIR008
0.19144251 Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya
0.20095161 Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG
0.22251518 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
0.22611586 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
0.24693541 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
0.26315896 Iran_ShahrISokhta_BA2
0.35761612 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.41344556 Ethiopian_Oromo
tipirneni
12-06-2024, 06:23 PM
Target: dante-HW-sim_scaled
Distance: 7.0001% / 0.07000142
94.6 Iran_ShahrISokhta_BA2
5.4 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
Fabricius
12-06-2024, 09:23 PM
Distance to: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
0.12800376 Tiryns_IA:TIR008
0.15964043 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
0.16178683 Syria_Ebla_EMBA
0.19808085 Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic
0.20071211 Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya
0.20892321 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG
0.26512312 Mongolia_Khuvsgul_Xiongnu
0.29926420 Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG
0.32224405 Iran_ShahrISokhta_BA2
0.33149771 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.38357316 Ethiopian_Oromo

Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 3.9886% / 0.03988617 (Almost a Greek)*
47.0 Tiryns_IA
29.2 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
14.0 Ethiopian_Oromo
9.8 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG

*Target: Fabricius_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 5.5858% / 0.05585803
100.0 Iberian

Target: Fabricius(Eurogenes_k36)-G25
Distance: 4.5011% / 0.04501128
48.0 Tiryns_IA
30.8 Russia_IA_Ingria.SG
13.8 Ethiopian_Oromo
7.4 Latvia_LN_CordedWare.SG