The first two babies born in 2012 in Spain.

[Lábaru]

http://actualidad.orange.es/UpImages/2187/las_campanadas_traen_a_los_dos_primeros_bebes_del_ ano_f8a1a9c51ee08f3e3553edfd8_g.jpg

http://www.intereconomia.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/ancho668/60798/cck_images/107316591_1.jpg

1º in Catalonia, Ecuadorian

2º In Ceuta, African.

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2012/01/01/espana/1325432821.html

happy 2012 xD

[jerney]

:eek::rolleyes2:

Europe is fucked

[Sikeliot]

WTF they aren't Spanish, get them out of there.

[billErobreren]

gross

[mymy]

Those are really the first? :D

[Loki]

:eek::rolleyes2:

Europe is fucked

I think Europe should get fucking.

[Lábaru]

Those are really the first? :D

Of course, we are a multicultural enriched society :)

Here the first Valencian born in 2012.

http://utils.lainformacion.com/images/IMGS_CMS/el-primer-valenciano-de-2012-es-antonio-un-bebe-nacido-a-las-00-02-en-el-hospital-la-fe-de-valencia/2012_1_1_Jckfg6L6Q8jOR9hmjR0Za7.jpg?type=border&width=645&height=503.745&mtime=1325427365

the first born in Biscay in 2012

http://www.minutodigital.com/wp-content/uploads/nacimiento-647x431.jpg

and finally in Soria a true Spanish baby :)

http://estaticos.elmundo.es/elmundo/imagenes/2012/01/01/castillayleon/1325443426_0.jpg

The 75% of the first born in Spain in 2012 were immigrants:

http://www.minutodigital.com/2012/01/01/los-primeros-nacidos-en-2012-en-espana-son-todos-de-origen-inmigrante/

http://www.minutodigital.com/wp-content/uploads/nacida.jpg

[antonio]

The brainwashing media treatment is very curious: for them the first one is a baby born from parents of "Ecuatorian origin". Just origin. So not only him (not for me) but also his parents are Spanish. Fucking traitors!

BTW all those people are known for the ironic name of "pagapensiones" (retirementpayers) since our former PseudoSocialist gov told us their presence among us grant our future retirement (including I suppose the thieves, the narcos and the subsidized jobless for millions)

[Bozkurt_Karabash]

Europeans need more sexy time.

[Ibericus]

Muy triste. Very sad.

[Querubín]

I think Europe should get fucking.

I'll have to go to Kasell. All to preserve Europe :D:wink

[Querubín]

http://actualidad.orange.es/UpImages/2187/las_campanadas_traen_a_los_dos_primeros_bebes_del_ ano_f8a1a9c51ee08f3e3553edfd8_g.jpg

http://www.intereconomia.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/ancho668/60798/cck_images/107316591_1.jpg

1º in Catalonia, Ecuadorian

2º In Ceuta, African.

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2012/01/01/espana/1325432821.html

happy 2012 xD

:puke::puke:::bullet puke:bullet puke:bullet puke:bullet puke

[sturmwalkure]

Disgusting. These creatures and their ugly spawn should not be in Spain. Fuck off the lot of them.

[StonyArabia]

Europeans should make at least three children each family. Learn from the Kavkaz folks :) Sex is enjoyable after all.

[Peyrol]

http://actualidad.orange.es/UpImages/2187/las_campanadas_traen_a_los_dos_primeros_bebes_del_ ano_f8a1a9c51ee08f3e3553edfd8_g.jpg

http://www.intereconomia.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/ancho668/60798/cck_images/107316591_1.jpg

1º in Catalonia, Ecuadorian

2º In Ceuta, African.

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2012/01/01/espana/1325432821.html

happy 2012 xD


Same here...first 3 childrens:

1)-Bulgarian parents
2)-Romanian parents
3)-Tunisian mother/italian father.

[Kacca]

cute babies, why are you so much racist with them?

The fault is of Spaniards who have accepted their parents and because don't make much children!

[Querubín]

Spain in 5 years
t0mlPqKwhEE
:cry:cry2:puke:

[Kacca]

Same here...first 3 childrens:

1)-Bulgarian parents
2)-Romanian parents
3)-Tunisian mother/italian father.

The 1 and 2 are not bad.
Or are they gypsies?

[StonyArabia]

Ceuta does hold a significant amount of Riffian Berbers who form the second largest group in that region. They are considered part of Spain, some are loyal to Spain, others want unity with Morocco, the second couple look very Berber to me.

As for the babies it's not their fault, at least for the first, the borders should be closed, but with the second you really can't do anything as these people are indigenous to the region.

[Peyrol]

The 1 and 2 are not bad.
Or are they gypsies?

Italian census hasn't "zingaro/zigano" (gypsy) in the options, but only "Romanian"...but estimations are that of total 1,200,000 romanians here (plus other 400,000 illegals and other 300,000 moldovans), about 10% of them are "zingari".

Btw, 4rd, 5th and 6th newborn babies are ethnic italians :icon_cheesygrin:

[Lábaru]

cute babies, why are you so much racist with them?

The fault is of Spaniards who have accepted their parents and because don't make much children!

Agree.

[GeistFaust]

This is despicable it seems like we are going further off the edge of the cliff, and the decay of the European culture and people is exponentially increasing.

I think the West has been almost completely swallowed up into the materalistic secularism which is projected in the consumerist culture. It seems we are inevitably destined to fall into a cultural identity where we must regather ourselves.


The people who come out with their identity and culture in tact will be better off in the long run. It is then that we can hope to recover some of what has been lost in the degenerate enactments of the world elite and the Plutocrats.

[perikolez]

Same here...first 3 childrens:

1)-Bulgarian parents
2)-Romanian parents
3)-Tunisian mother/italian father.

If they are real bulgarians, or romanians , then isnt so bad. Even tunisian-italian mix is better than people we have in Spain. Inmigrants who are in Spain are probably ugliest people you can find. Finding a fuckable southamerican girl in Spain is a miracle:(. They are very ugly and southamericans are at least 5 millions here.

[Peyrol]

If they are real bulgarians, or romanians , then isnt so bad. Even tunisian-italian mix is better than people we have in Spain. Inmigrants who are in Spain are probably ugliest people you can find. Finding a fuckable southamerican girl in Spain is a miracle:(. They are very ugly and southamericans are at least 5 millions here.

Wonder why...:p

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Imperio_espa%C3%B1ol.png

[Lábaru]

If they are real bulgarians, or romanians , then isnt so bad. Even tunisian-italian mix is better than people we have in Spain. Inmigrants who are in Spain are probably ugliest people you can find. Finding a fuckable southamerican girl in Spain is a miracle:(. They are very ugly and southamericans are at least 5 millions here.

That number is exaggerated, I doubt we have more than two million American immigrants, counting illegals.

[Anthropologique]

Puke time...

[perikolez]

That number is exaggerated, I doubt we have more than two million American immigrants, counting illegals.

Numbers arent exagerated. Where I live, I only have to go outside from my house to the streets, and I always see that they are at least 15-20%. Oficially inmigrants are only 6-7% in my village.

[perikolez]

Wonder why...:p

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Imperio_espa%C3%B1ol.png

Italians shouldnt make jokes about it, because millions of them emigrated to Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Venezuela, etc, and they emigrated to latinamerica in highest percentage and amount than spaniards and portugueses. If you aply the same for Italia than for Spain,then Italia should receive millions of somalians,eritreans,or libians:D.

[Siberyak]

That number is exaggerated, I doubt we have more than two million American immigrants, counting illegals.

What city are you in?

[Peyrol]

Italians shouldnt make jokes about it, because millions of them emigrated to Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Venezuela, etc, and they emigrated to latinamerica in highest percentage and amount than spaniards and portugueses. If you aply the same for Italia than for Spain,then Italia should receive millions of somalians,eritreans,or libians:D.

Ahahaha true...ethnic italians made up 50-60% of Argentina, 40-50% of Uruguay and about 20% of Brasil, etc...it seem that also 40% of paraguayan mestizo population has italian roots in some way...:laugh:
There is also an italian community in El Salvador :eek:


Unfortunately, we have these lasts. :(

[Kacca]

Instead crying about immigrants who whelp babies, why don't you calve children? I bet nobody who writes in this thread have children.

[Sagitta Hungarica]

Spain seems to suffer because of their sins from the imperial times.

[Celtíbero]

It looks the revenge of the moorish (mulatos and semitics, the bereberes are caucasians) and aztecs-incas revenges. Someone know about the "Kalergi plan's" ?

And yes, they won't never be spaniards, iberians, they are the cause of the multiculturalism and the demon-plan to exterminate us.

[KonanBolivia]

Who can tell the difference anyhow

[The Lawspeaker]

Muy triste.

[Black Sun Dimension]

Una lastima pero bueno, gano el PP, ellos son mas duros contra la immigracion por lo que tengo entendido.

Me huviese gustado que diria Don al respecto...liberen a Don!

[Nairi]

http://actualidad.orange.es/UpImages/2187/las_campanadas_traen_a_los_dos_primeros_bebes_del_ ano_f8a1a9c51ee08f3e3553edfd8_g.jpg

http://www.intereconomia.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/ancho668/60798/cck_images/107316591_1.jpg

1º in Catalonia, Ecuadorian

2º In Ceuta, African.

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2012/01/01/espana/1325432821.html

happy 2012 xD

This is only beginning for them, they will go up to 10 kids...

[Vasconcelos]

Sometimes being the poorest Western European country pays off,we don't have many of those lol

[Black Sun Dimension]

Sometimes being the poorest Western European country pays off,we don't have many of those lol

I heard portuguese are emigrating to Brazil looking for a better future. Is this true?

[Vasconcelos]

Yes, there's not much future for this plot of land anymore. Hopefully immigrants will do the same.

[Damião de Góis]

I heard portuguese are emigrating to Brazil looking for a better future. Is this true?

No it's not...

[Vasconcelos]

Alex, don't know about you but I know quite a few people who either moved or are planning to do so once the opportunity shows.

[Nairi]

Yes, there's not much future for this plot of land anymore. Hopefully immigrants will do the same.

Why not? Because of economy? That will improve one day...
I migrated,settled down, achieved some things and now I regret a lot, because going back is not easy but with years comes understanding that no matter how good life is in another country, no matter how welcoming and nice people are around, your heart wants to go home...and I realise I did wrong while I should have stayed and did my share towards better life.

[Damião de Góis]

Alex, don't know about you but I know quite a few people who either moved or are planning to do so once the opportunity shows.

I don't know anyone who is planning or has moved to Brazil. In fact, i don't know anyone who is planning on immigrating anywhere. This include college and childhood friends.

[Vasconcelos]

This include college and childhood friends.

I'm including those aswell, and they are quite a few, but this may be because I'm studying Civil Engineering, altho some people that I know who want to move away are not related to this specific area.

[Damião de Góis]

Why not? Because of economy? That will improve one day...
I migrated,settled down, achieved some things and now I regret a lot, because going back is not easy but with years comes understanding that no matter how good life is in another country, no matter how welcoming and nice people are around, your heart wants to go home...and I realise I did wrong while I should have stayed and did my share towards better life.

Like i said, i don't know any immigrants or people planning on immigrating. I know one guy who worked temporarilly in Italy and another who worked temporarily in England. Of course, Vasconcelos knows different people than i do, but still i don't see it like he is saying (a lot of people with desire to leave).

[Black Sun Dimension]

I asked because ive some brazilians friends and they say that Brazil has lots of recent portuguese immigrants and that they keep coming. When I match this with what Vascocelos is saying then I think there's some degree of truth to it.

[Damião de Góis]

I asked because ive some brazilians friends and they say that Brazil has lots of recent portuguese immigrants and that they keep coming. When I match this with what Vascocelos is saying then I think there's some degree of truth to it.

It could be true. I'm only giving my personal perspective of people i know and my surroundings. I have no idea if people in northern Portugal are immigrating for example.

[Vasconcelos]

Why not? Because of economy? That will improve one day....

It's not just the economy, it's also the way the country is structured (or NOT structured), the corruption, the politicians (these go hand in hand together) and so on..

The economy will "recover" sooner or later, altho I'm not predicting it will before 2016/17, and by then we will be on the tail of the EU again. I feel like grinding all living politicians we have, most of them are only slightly more useful than a pile of shit. And the ones from the last 100 years weren't much better.

[Black Sun Dimension]

It's not just the economy, it's also the way the country is structured (or NOT structured), the corruption, the politicians (these go hand in hand together) and so on..

The economy will "recover" sooner or later, altho I'm not predicting it will before 2016/17, and by then we will be on the tail of the EU again. I feel like grinding all living politicians we have, most of them are only slightly more useful than a pile of shit. And the ones from the last 100 years weren't much better.

I think you have a great country worth fighting for, at least from my perspective. Im living in a real shithole of a country, take my word for it.

[European Loyalist]

Of course if you are in a lucrative high demand field such as engineering you will know people seeking higher salary in different countries. Brazil is undergoing a massive building boom at the moment so I'm sure engineers are in very high demand.

[Damião de Góis]

Actually now i remembered i read a lot of young people (recent graduates mostly) are moving to Angola. But i doubt they are thinking of a permanent move.

[Vasconcelos]

It is, but the most ambicious and educated are looking abroad for opportunities (we're starting to suffer from brain drain), even if they do plan on returning home later on, after gaining a few more €€s.

Speaking of €, if we get booted from the Eurozone it will be a total chaos, don't even want to think about it.

[Black Sun Dimension]

It is, but the most ambicious and educated are looking abroad for opportunities (we're starting to suffer from brain drain), even if they do plan on returning home later on, after gaining a few more €€s.

Speaking of €, if we get booted from the Eurozone it will be a total chaos, don't even want to think about it.

How so?

[Padre Organtino]

How so?

Price of credit soars hence less consumption and even moar downturn.

[Damião de Góis]

It is, but the most ambicious and educated are looking abroad for opportunities (we're starting to suffer from brain drain), even if they do plan on returning home later on, after gaining a few more €€s.


This depends, from my course i can only think of one guy who immigrated. But he had broke up with his girlfriend and didn't graduate... he just wanted to get away. The rest are all working here.
People with a degree on say... Biomechanics Engineering won't get many chances here, that's true.

[Vasconcelos]

Inflacion will sky rocket due to large-scale money printing, the average joe will suffer greatly because their wage will, proportionally, decrease quite a lot..and there are many, many people already having a hard time managing to get off decently with current wages.

But I still think the Eurozone will hold it's ground without anyone getting the boot on the arse.

[European Loyalist]

Price of credit soars hence less consumption and even moar downturn.

Also it is a very significant factor in eurozone trade. The eurozone is the largest regional international trade market in the world.

[Nairi]

It's not just the economy, it's also the way the country is structured (or NOT structured), the corruption, the politicians (these go hand in hand together) and so on..

The economy will "recover" sooner or later, altho I'm not predicting it will before 2016/17, and by then we will be on the tail of the EU again. I feel like grinding all living politicians we have, most of them are only slightly more useful than a pile of shit. And the ones from the last 100 years weren't much better.

I am sure regarless how bad the situation is in your country our corruption is much more. Georgia is fighting it quite successfully because their president made it their aim to achive non corrupt society, hopefully one day we all will have such president...;)
But presidents are people who reflect the society in general I guess

[Vasconcelos]

Yea, our President is far from being a good example, and our Prime Minister might seem to have good intentions, but in reality he's not much better than the rest of the gang (altho certainly much better than the previous PM, but that one will be remembered for many years to come, and not for the best reasons lol).

[The Lawspeaker]

Maybe there is a reason why Spain should drop any clauses in the nationality law that make ius soli possible ?

[perikolez]

Maybe there is a reason why Spain should drop any clauses in the nationality law that make ius soli possible ?

Spain uses ius sanguinis, not ius solis.Actually a baby who hasnt a spanish parent isnt spanish automatically although he was born in Spain. On the other hand a baby who has a spanish parent has automatically spanish citizenship although he was born in Zambia. The problem is that a baby born in Spain with non spanish parents can get spanish citizenship easily living legally few years in Spain.

[The Lawspeaker]

Spain uses ius sanguinis, not ius solis.Actually a baby who hasnt a spanish parent isnt spanish automatically although he was born in Spain. On the other hand a baby who has a spanish parent has automatically spanish citizenship although he was born in Zambia. The problem is that a baby born in Spain with non spanish parents can get spanish citizenship easily living legally few years in Spain.
Aha. So this is what needs to be changed then.

[perikolez]

Aha. So this is what needs to be changed then.

In my opinion, giving spanish citizenship to a baby born outside Spain but with at least one spanish parent isnt so bad. There are a good amount of full blooded spanish born outside Spain by casuality , or because their parents are working outside, and most of them returned soon to Spain.

[Vasconcelos]

What are your feelings about giving Spanish citizenship to a Portuguese or an Andorran?

[Trun]

Luckily we had more luck than the Spaniards (2012 baby here is ethnic Bulgarian):

http://svejo.net/attachments/stories/pics/001/370/650/large_e/vasilena-samarova-e-bebe-na-2012-godina.jpg?1325673117

[Celtíbero]

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