Sardinian-Saami-Chamalin (scaled)

[ScandinavianCelt]

Mediterranean vs North vs Caucasus


Source samples (scaled):


Sardinian,0.121687,0.167285,0.02849,-0.050652,0.060151,-0.022134,-0.003952,0.002496,0.041574,0.077351,-5.9e-05,0.016649,-0.028664,-0.012974,-0.013572,-0.003001,0.011403,-0.001347,0.00168,-0.012995,-0.002121,-0.001102,-0.010084,-0.021383,0.000337
Saami,0.111262,-0.030212,0.111722,0.079781,-0.009329,0.008297,0.008137,0.01386,0.002966,-0.032096,0.022288,-0.007475,0.018071,-0.019826,-0.004004,0.002693,0.001157,-0.001489,-0.005986,0.004494,0.015816,0.001345,-0.002565,0.002658,0.000344
Chamalin,0.112374,0.108292,-0.02489,0.011775,-0.042805,0.014807,0.011665,-0.003273,-0.061655,-0.042246,-0.003351,0.005477,-0.014393,-0.009008,0.018495,-0.002326,0.004066,-0.004019,-0.005896,0.003831,0.00135,0.002709,0.008022,0.0097 49,-0.000871


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Nevermind distances. Please post NO ADC & 2x ADC.

Chamalin are indigenous North Caucasian people in Dagestan.

My result:

Target: Brad_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 7.8706% / 0.07870644
39.8 Sardinian
31.0 Saami
29.2 Chamalin


Target: Brad_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 10.5021% / 0.10502051 | ADC: 2x RC
55.8 Chamalin
44.2 Sardinian

[Voskos]

Target: voskos
Distance: 4.9920% / 0.04992006
55.2 Sardinian
44.8 Chamalin

[tk'es]

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 4.6386% / 0.04638595
88.6 Chamalin
11.0 Sardinian
0.4 Saami


Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 5.2542% / 0.05254206 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Chamalin

[cass]

Target: German_East_Prussia_Memelland
Distance: 12.3894% / 0.12389441
43.8 Saami
37.0 Sardinian
19.2 Chamalin

Target: German_East_Prussia_Memelland
Distance: 11.7046% / 0.11704564 | ADC: 2x RC
44.0 Saami
35.4 Sardinian
20.6 Chamalin

Target: cass
Distance: 9.2229% / 0.09222890
40.6 Sardinian
34.4 Saami
25.0 Chamalin

Target: cass
Distance: 12.0300% / 0.12030019 | ADC: 2x RC
54.6 Chamalin
45.4 Sardinian

Tricky, but not very practical.

[ScandinavianCelt]

Put the three Source samples as Target, and put yourself with a Source of Modern Pop Ave Scaled samples and see which sample you are closest to for each of the three Targets (Sardinian, Saami, & Chamalin).

My results for closest distances are:

Sardinian -- Czech
Saami -- Slovakian & Pamiri_Ishkashim
Chamalin -- Turkish_Jew


You can also use NOT averages, but Modern Scaled as Source to get individual closest pieces.

With Modern Scaled, my closest distances are these for each:

Sardinian: Swedish18
Saami: Polish9
Chamalin: Romaniote_Jew1

https://i.postimg.cc/Y09hLL79/chamalin-closest-GDme-romaniotejew.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/KjH4Pcc5/saami-ave-closestmodscaledindiv-polish9.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/HWZJDz07/sardinian-closest-swed-irish.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Anatolya]

Target: Anatolya_scaled
Distance: 6.9836% / 0.06983572
70.2 Chamalin
29.8 Sardinian

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 5.7722% / 0.05772217
61.2 Sardinian
21.8 Chamalin
17.0 Saami

[ScandinavianCelt]

https://i.postimg.cc/kgXqJPnJ/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2024-12-07-T181335-352.png (https://postimages.org/)

[cass]

Put the three Source samples as Target, and put yourself with a Source of Modern Pop Ave Scaled samples and see which sample you are closest to for each of the three Targets (Sardinian, Saami, & Chamalin).

My results for closest distances are:

Sardinian -- Czech
Saami -- Slovakian & Pamiri_Ishkashim
Chamalin -- Turkish_Jew




in the middle of nowhere...

Sardinian

0.17174484 Danish:GSM1985685
0.17177645 Armenian_Ararat:GRC11054329
0.17181065 cass
0.17183780 Irish:Irish23
0.17186376 Norwegian:GSM821024


Saami
0.18697872 Swedish:GSM1884886
0.18699997 Lithuanian_SZ:LTG-645
0.18701412 cass
0.18701500 Scottish:Scottish12
0.18701523 German:German57

Chamalin

0.15793185 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige:Nei27
0.15793850 Irish:Irish46
0.15793850 cass
0.15795290 Swedish:GSM1884878
0.15801254 Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-166

[ScandinavianCelt]

in the middle of nowhere...

Sardinian

0.17174484 Danish:GSM1985685
0.17177645 Armenian_Ararat:GRC11054329
0.17181065 cass
0.17183780 Irish:Irish23
0.17186376 Norwegian:GSM821024


Saami
0.18697872 Swedish:GSM1884886
0.18699997 Lithuanian_SZ:LTG-645
0.18701412 cass
0.18701500 Scottish:Scottish12
0.18701523 German:German57

Chamalin

0.15793185 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige:Nei27
0.15793850 Irish:Irish46
0.15793850 cass
0.15795290 Swedish:GSM1884878
0.15801254 Russian_Smolensk:Rsm-166

How do you get the identical score as Irish46 to Chamalin?

[Gaditanian]

Target: Gaditanian
Distance: 3.9826% / 0.03982641
63.2 Sardinian
20.4 Chamalin
16.4 Saami


Target: Gaditanian
Distance: 9.4652% / 0.09465236 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Sardinian

[cass]

How do you get the identical score as Irish46 to Chamalin?

:confused:
https://i.ibb.co/Hgn0Pck/Zrzut-ekranu-8-12-2024-1824-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[tipirneni]

Target: dante-HW-sim_scaled
Distance: 27.9828% / 0.27982793
61.2 Chamalin
38.8 Saami

[unmoggable]

Target: unmoggable
Distance: 7.5827% / 0.07582705
44.0 Sardinian
29.8 Chamalin
26.2 Saami

0.14378837 Chamalin
0.15176619 Sardinian
0.19694709 Saami

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: unmoggable
Distance: 7.5827% / 0.07582705
44.0 Sardinian
29.8 Chamalin
26.2 Saami

0.14378837 Chamalin
0.15176619 Sardinian
0.19694709 Saami


Can you post your 2x on this calc? https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculator/136/1st-century-bc-by-tomenable-piotr-kapuscinski.htm

I want to see how different our results are at 2x. This is mine:

Target: Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 2.3485% / 0.02348480 | ADC: 2x RC
58.8 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Langobards
41.2 Europe_Celto_Germanic:Brittonic_Cornwall

[ScandinavianCelt]

:confused:
https://i.ibb.co/Hgn0Pck/Zrzut-ekranu-8-12-2024-1824-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

try modern pop ave, not scaled individuals

[RyoHazuki]

Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 9.8750% / 0.09875026 | ADC: 2x RC
55.0 Sardinian
45.0 Chamalin

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 10.7276% / 0.10727572 | ADC: 2x RC
51.4 Sardinian
48.6 Chamalin

[Pater Patota]

Target: PP_scaled
Distance: 5.4453% / 0.05445272
74.6 Chamalin
25.4 Sardinian

[Dušan]

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 7.2835% / 0.07283481
48.6 Sardinian
27.8 Chamalin
23.6 Saami



Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 8.9911% / 0.08991122 | ADC: 2x RC
52.0 Sardinian
48.0 Chamalin

[cass]

try modern pop ave, not scaled individuals

Distance to: Sardinian
0.17131085 Armenian_Urfa
0.17181065 cass
0.17197853 Ukrainian_Lviv


Distance to: Saami
0.18684755 Polish_Kashubian
0.18701412 cass
0.18862506 Czech


Distance to: Chamalin
0.15750254 Moroccan_Jew
0.15793850 cass
0.15809564 French_Auvergne

better but still random

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 5.1521% / 0.05152083
68.2 Sardinian
16.2 Chamalin
15.6 Saami

[ScandinavianCelt]

Distance to: Sardinian
0.17131085 Armenian_Urfa
0.17181065 cass
0.17197853 Ukrainian_Lviv


Distance to: Saami
0.18684755 Polish_Kashubian
0.18701412 cass
0.18862506 Czech


Distance to: Chamalin
0.15750254 Moroccan_Jew
0.15793850 cass
0.15809564 French_Auvergne

better but still random

Unless you have two different main pieces on either side of your distances for each grouping you could use your closest distance as your primary source to that group and it looks very reasonable to me what you got for results

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 5.1521% / 0.05152083
68.2 Sardinian
16.2 Chamalin
15.6 Saami

You are such a farmer

[ScandinavianCelt]

:confused:
https://i.ibb.co/Hgn0Pck/Zrzut-ekranu-8-12-2024-1824-vahaduo-github-io.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Cass, isolate your 3 closest or more if it's dead-centered between 2 or next to two(?) using Modern Scaled individuals. We can now, also, use those as Target to see what/who they link to, right?

My result with individuals:

Target: Brad_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 3.6410% / 0.03640956
60.0 Swedish:Sweden18
31.8 Polish:Polish9
8.2 Romaniote_Jew:Romaniote1

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 4.4144% / 0.04414387
65.0 Swedish:Sweden18
27.4 Polish:Polish9
7.6 Romaniote_Jew:Romaniote1

From Mod Pop Ave Scaled closest 3 (Swedish, Czech, Turkish_Jew):

Target: Brad_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 1.2041% / 0.01204122
88.0 Swedish
12.0 Turkish_Jew(Sephardic)

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 1.1866% / 0.01186624
90.2 Swedish
9.8 Turkish_Jew(Sephardic)


Distances look good.

[Rhegion]

Target: Me
Distance: 5.3589% / 0.05358948
58.2 Sardinian
41.8 Chamalin

Target: Father
Distance: 5.6863% / 0.05686330
57.6 Sardinian
42.4 Chamalin

Target: Maternal_Grandpa
Distance: 4.7963% / 0.04796291
57.6 Sardinian
42.4 Chamalin

Target: Maternal_Grandma
Distance: 5.9075% / 0.05907471
60.0 Sardinian
40.0 Chamalin

Target: Cousin
Distance: 5.5889% / 0.05588929
57.0 Sardinian
43.0 Chamalin

[cass]

Cass, isolate your 3 closest or more if it's dead-centered between 2 or next to two(?) using Modern Scaled individuals. We can now, also, use those as Target to see what/who they link to, right?

My result with individuals:

Target: Brad_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 3.6410% / 0.03640956
60.0 Swedish:Sweden18
31.8 Polish:Polish9
8.2 Romaniote_Jew:Romaniote1

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 4.4144% / 0.04414387
65.0 Swedish:Sweden18
27.4 Polish:Polish9
7.6 Romaniote_Jew:Romaniote1

From Mod Pop Ave Scaled closest 3 (Swedish, Czech, Turkish_Jew):

Target: Brad_Official_Ave_Scaled
Distance: 1.2041% / 0.01204122
88.0 Swedish
12.0 Turkish_Jew(Sephardic)

Target: SC_DNAGenics_MergedRSID_Scaled
Distance: 1.1866% / 0.01186624
90.2 Swedish
9.8 Turkish_Jew(Sephardic)


Distances look good.


Target: cass
Distance: 1.0530% / 0.01052997
69.0 Czech
29.4 Polish_Kashubian
1.6 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0 Armenian_Urfa
0.0 French_Auvergne
0.0 Moroccan_Jew

[vader]

Target: Algarvio_scaled
Distance: 4.1036% / 0.04103598
65.8 Sardinian
17.2 Chamalin
17.0 Saami

[Mrozek231]

Target: Mrozek231
Distance: 10.3367% / 0.10336663
44.4 Saami
32.4 Sardinian
23.2 Chamalin

Target: Mrozek231
Distance: 12.6051% / 0.12605111 | ADC: 2x RC
51.2 Chamalin
48.8 Saami

Distance to: Mrozek231
0.16762742 Chamalin
0.17105822 Saami
0.19893863 Sardinian

[Demirkazık]

Target: Demir
Distance: 7.4637% / 0.07463665
55.4 Chamalin
24.6 Sardinian
20.0 Saami

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: Demir
Distance: 7.4637% / 0.07463665
55.4 Chamalin
24.6 Sardinian
20.0 Saami


Do you show much Tatar on any modern test? Or does your Northern background connect through maybe Uralic people or Baltic people do you know?

I wonder if you add the average for the Tatar Lipka if you could see how much would go to those people from your Saami. Mishar also. You could experiment with a few different groups maybe also Tajik and maybe Chuvash.

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.15584989 Chamalin
0.16126095 Sardinian
0.19565111 Saami

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 8.9002% / 0.08900203
44.0 Sardinian
30.2 Saami
25.8 Chamalin

[Eurafricanid]

Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.8275% / 0.03827455
64.6 Sardinian
24.4 Chamalin
11.0 Saami


Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 8.8553% / 0.08855278 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Sardinian


I don't get the extreme penalization of the results (ADC 2x)

[noricum]

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 8.5201% / 0.08520138
47.0 Sardinian
27.4 Saami
25.6 Chamalin

[vasiliki23]

Target: VASILIKI_scaled
Distance: 4.5657% / 0.04565667
59.0 Sardinian
35.6 Chamalin
5.4 Saami


Target: VASILIKI_scaled
Distance: 4.7183% / 0.04718326 | ADC: 2x RC
59.8 Sardinian
40.2 Chamalin

[EchoWanderer49]

Target: Echo_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 8.1509% / 0.08150904
43.6 Sardinian
30.6 Saami
25.8 Chamalin

[ScandinavianCelt]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.15584989 Chamalin
0.16126095 Sardinian
0.19565111 Saami

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 8.9002% / 0.08900203
44.0 Sardinian
30.2 Saami
25.8 Chamalin


Target: Echo_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 8.1509% / 0.08150904
43.6 Sardinian
30.6 Saami
25.8 Chamalin

Almost same.

[EchoWanderer49]

Almost same.

Yeah we have similar genetics obviously. There's loads where we're close.

[Balboa]

Target: Balboa_scaled
Distance: 2.8824% / 0.02882414
76.8 Sardinian
23.2 Chamalin

good distance

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 5.1521% / 0.05152083
68.2 Sardinian
16.2 Chamalin
15.6 Saami

2X is useless...


Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 9.1334% / 0.09133355 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Sardinian


Edit: I have just seen that I had already posted my results here.

[Flashball]

Target: Father(PicardieNorthernFrance)
Distance: 7.7251% / 0.07725104
53.0 Sardinian
23.8 Saami
23.2 Chamalin

Target: Mother(Sardinian+NorthernFrench)
Distance: 3.9551% / 0.03955061
71.0 Sardinian
17.4 Chamalin
11.6 Saami

Target: MyselfNebula(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
Distance: 5.1312% / 0.05131160
65.0 Sardinian
20.0 Chamalin
15.0 Saami

Target: Sister(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
Distance: 4.9853% / 0.04985338
66.6 Sardinian
18.2 Chamalin
15.2 Saami

Target: BrotherNebula(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
Distance: 5.3015% / 0.05301471
63.4 Sardinian
19.4 Chamalin
17.2 Saami


Distance to: Sardinian
0.07747282 Mother(Sardinian+NorthernFrench)
0.09261420 Sister(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
0.09594502 MyselfNebula(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
0.10116247 BrotherNebula(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
0.13580105 Father(PicardieNorthernFrance)


Distance to: Saami
0.20999003 Father(PicardieNorthernFrance)
0.22495700 BrotherNebula(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
0.23053924 MyselfNebula(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
0.23156971 Sister(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
0.24104641 Mother(Sardinian+NorthernFrench)


Distance to: Chamalin
0.15776474 Father(PicardieNorthernFrance)
0.16188667 BrotherNebula(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
0.16303360 MyselfNebula(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
0.16612408 Sister(75%NorthernFrench-25%Sardinian)
0.17034721 Mother(Sardinian+NorthernFrench)

[R1b-L51]

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 4.5454% / 0.04545360
64.4 Sardinian
19.6 Chamalin
16.0 Saami

Target: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
Distance: 9.4760% / 0.09476016 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Sardinian


Distance to: ROBERTOFERN_scaled
0.09476016 Sardinian
0.16074737 Chamalin
0.22666402 Saami

[vägev]

Target: Astro_scaled
Distance: 9.3268% / 0.09326789
55.2 Saami
25.2 Sardinian
19.6 Chamalin