IllustrativeDNA NEW Update

[Beowulf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1143228483171004447/1317111580428730418/image0.jpg?ex=675d7f3f&is=675c2dbf&hm=41407e5f77a2bb230cf6fef3a521dabc7bb68fb12bbed30 c551cc5076489ff7d&=


I still haven't got the latest results cuz i'm waiting for them :)

Btw y'all will have to reupload your raw data but! Is Free!




So i wanna make this thread for us to post and share our thoughts about the new update.

[Athalafuns]

Gracias por avisar :thumb001:

[Dušan]

Thanks for info about update, Beowulf :thumb001:

https://i.imgur.com/cJwhbDm.png

[nittionia]

I just switched out my dad's coordinates with my own raw data file :cool:

[Beowulf]

I just switched out my dad's coordinates with my own raw data file :cool:


I must say that i switched my my own data with my Great grandma's one ;) hopefully i can save some 27 euros from it.

[~Elizabeth~]

Thank you Beowulf for telling us about this update. I am re-uploading my MyHeritage raw data now.

[Eurafricanid]

Does anyone know if the Official dataset is going to work with these new coordinates and how do I contact Ph2ter to re-divide my coordinates into EU, SSA, and AM again?? :(

[gixajo]

I don't know if I misunderstood, but does this imply that there will be new G25 coordinates and that the previous datasheet will not be updated and cannot be used with the new G25 coordinates?

Thinking practically...should we "renew" all the G25 coordinates that we have ourselves and those of our relatives?

[Eurafricanid]

I don't know if I misunderstood, but does this imply that there will be new G25 coordinates and that the previous datasheet will not be updated and cannot be used with the new G25 coordinates?

Thinking practically...should we "renew" all the G25 coordinates that we have ourselves and those of our relatives?

From what I read in their announcement, yes. They said that their database will be completely repaced and because of that they'll not be able to update all their samples just now and they'll do so in a big update later.

[Russki]

Been having this in my inbox since May.

I'm not hyped up that he fixed everything I mentioned, but I hope that G25 will be better than before.

https://sun9-17.userapi.com/impg/UWXif2Kp4YnwgSvCI7SkzJ_-TtglB7rnGucPoQ/o79b6gMUVA0.jpg?size=1334x367&quality=95&sign=e4c47b4c5281dd9a3a54ae8a3db36193&type=album

[gixajo]

Surely they will be better, what I don't know is if they will be better for everyone.:D

[Solitude]

to me modern result got better with my another raw data

https://i.postimg.cc/fRQD61Jt/illustrative1.png

https://i.postimg.cc/5tYwrHGS/illustrative2.png

[Dušan]

updated

https://i.imgur.com/O6BHKMq.png

https://i.imgur.com/IO5sC5m.png

https://i.imgur.com/IJhDUBe.png

https://i.imgur.com/rfL2Skf.png

https://i.imgur.com/0sA4u0M.png

https://i.imgur.com/9pVDB7Q.png

[majevica]

https://i.postimg.cc/rphKP9Z5/Screenshot-374.png (https://postimages.org/)

DeEEFization



Albanian (Kosovo) 45.2%
French (Normandy) 23.8%
Lithuanian (South Zemaitija) 21.0%
Ukrainian (Donetsk) 10.0%

1 Bosniak 1.509
2 Serb (Bosnia) 1.562
3 Croat 1.598
4 Serb (Croatia) 1.854
5 Serb 1.944


Slavic (AD 540–1100) 49.6%
Roman Illyria (AD 100–600) 33.4%
Roman Pannonia (AD 130–600) 11.8%
Germanic (AD 100–630) 5.2%

1 Medieval South Slav (Doclea) 1.679
2 Post-Medieval Syrmia 2.441
3 Visigoth (Iberia) 2.885
4 Byzantine Slav (Tragurium) 3.105
5 North Rhine (Merovingian Period) 3.447

[Beowulf]

I got the update!

https://i.postimg.cc/yYsJB4Cd/Captura-de-pantalla-2024-12-13-194758.png (https://postimages.org/)

Fit: 2.030 (Good)

[Beowulf]

https://i.postimg.cc/nLjrTnBd/Captura-de-pantalla-2024-12-13-194952.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Beowulf]

https://i.postimg.cc/dts0p2GZ/Gesy6p-PXQAAeg3g.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


From now on Illustrative DNA coords will became simulated apparently :noidea:

[Russki]

https://sun83-2.userapi.com/impg/sEcH9-y1qeivWaHDdVY9lwdFutV2BFkK7g7BMg/59bahrgiXTQ.jpg?size=420x431&quality=95&sign=4696c1a1a356172f3870aba39ab145e1&type=album


From now on Illustrative DNA coords will became simulated apparently :noidea:

27 Euros for simulated coordinates which you can get for free...

[Beowulf]

27 Euros for simulated coordinates which you can get for free...


This sucks!


sigh...

[Athalafuns]

So the whole "update" is just a downgrade?

[Russki]

So the whole "update" is just a downgrade?

The real thing will be out in 2025.

If you obtained your coordinates from IllustrativeDNA you will probably have to pay again, to him or to a new service which will be associated with him.

It's clear that IllustrativeDNA wasn't interested in improving G25, they want to keep everything as it is and just reap profit from new customers.

[Eurafricanid]

https://i.postimg.cc/dts0p2GZ/Gesy6p-PXQAAeg3g.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


From now on Illustrative DNA coords will became simulated apparently :noidea:

From what I understand, they're just creating a whole new system just based on 25 vectors and won't actually try to be compactible with G25, like the simulated coordinates used to.
Their new system is now competing with G25.

[Rhegion]

They posted this on Facebook:

https://i.postimg.cc/nrZyQ6wY/Screenshot-2024-12-13-at-20-42-22-2-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA-Facebook.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Solitude]

At least in my opnion my results got improved , old modern results with no limit i was getting French , Basque and Sardinia samples with new system was only needed to remove Basque

[Damião de Góis]

So the whole "update" is just a downgrade?

I also don't understand why they want us to re-upload something they already have.

[Ahmet]

So, my Zagros neolithic farmer dropped 19 to 10 on HG & Farmer, but I started scoring incredibly high Iranian Plateau on other models. How is that possible?

[ScandinavianCelt]

I'm waiting on my merged file results now. I only had Ancestry & 23andMe individually before.

[ScandinavianCelt]

Are they supposed to have updated my Ancestry coordinates to my new merged data file? The coordinates are the same as the original file from Ancestry that I had uploaded long ago.

[Live The Magic]

The "update" with the "new" coordinates made zero sense. It just made the website glorified MyTrueAncestry or DNAGenics.

[Dušan]

The "update" with the "new" coordinates made zero sense. It just made the website glorified MyTrueAncestry or DNAGenics.

Modern populations are shitty as fuck.

How it is possible that from this:

https://i.imgur.com/0wK7Kr4.png


I got this now

https://i.imgur.com/1lKYSr6.png

:puke:

I do not accept Croat average as closest.

:puke:


They screw everything!

[Eurafricanid]

Modern populations are shitty as fuck.

How it is possible that from this:

https://i.imgur.com/0wK7Kr4.png


I got this now

https://i.imgur.com/1lKYSr6.png

:puke:

I do not accept Croat average as closest.

:puke:


They screw everything!

It looks better now, IMO.

[Dušan]

It looks better now, IMO.

We will see Feiichys updated results - she as Croat will get Hungarian or Slovene closer than Croat.
No way I am closest to Croat average. They have all cluster of NW Croats who are Czech-like.
This is sick.

[Live The Magic]

Modern populations are shitty as fuck.

How it is possible that from this:

https://i.imgur.com/0wK7Kr4.png


I got this now

https://i.imgur.com/1lKYSr6.png

:puke:

I do not accept Croat average as closest.

:puke:


They screw everything!

They don't rely on G25 anymore. G25 was far from perfect but IMO still better than some out-of-the-black-box calculator they use now.

[Eurafricanid]

We will see Feiichys updated results - she as Croat will get Hungarian or Slovene closer than Croat.
No way I am closest to Croat average. They have all cluster of NW Croats who are Czech-like.
This is sick.

The new results make 100% sense for a Krajina Serb, isn't Feiichy mixed with German or something like that?

[Dušan]

The new results make 100% sense for a Krajina Serb, isn't Feiichy mixed with German or something like that?

For Krajina Serb the closest result is Serb (Croatia) and Serb (Bosnia).

I told you, bunch of NW Croats are Czech-like, this Croatian average they used seems that is based on Serbs.

You will see bunch of Croats not getting Croatian average as closest.

[Live The Magic]

The new results make 100% sense for a Krajina Serb, isn't Feiichy mixed with German or something like that?

The new results are way too sketchy. I already saw many updates for similar European populations that had small but noticeable dinstinction and now its gone. But also some bigger problems like it doesn't distinguish between eastern and western Mediterranean for some people (which the previous G25 clearly could)

[calxpal]

I'm waiting for mine now! Although I am definitely NOT a fan of them providing simulated coordinates, but apparently they have to now.

Edit: I change my mind about this now after hearing a statement from the Vahuduo creator and Davidski. Idk how to feel about Illus now in general honestly.

[djipon]

Seems like illustrativeDNA are in some deep waters now, Vahaduo creator in a disagreement with them, too.

Read here https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/SV7KWESxxH

[Athalafuns]

https://i.postimg.cc/T1ydRdd8/Screenshot-2024-12-14-at-12-23-43-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/W42sd6Nw/Screenshot-2024-12-14-at-12-24-27-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/CMZnMY6L/Screenshot-2024-12-14-at-12-27-57-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/VNL5xcCw/Screenshot-2024-12-14-at-12-28-42-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/sfZ1dmvM/Screenshot-2024-12-14-at-12-29-58-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/T3Q3qHH4/Captura.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[hazmatnik]

https://i.postimg.cc/y6S2kzb6/Screenshot-20241214-054926-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/xqn64BQB)

https://i.postimg.cc/QCbQHCLn/Screenshot-20241214-054941-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/9wDRkWQG)

https://i.postimg.cc/5NrHpLmS/Screenshot-20241214-054952-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/D8qywWHS)

https://i.postimg.cc/nrPLRfqh/Screenshot-20241214-054748-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bS18rM67)

[pelikarski]

More Turkic and Balkan, less Slavic
https://i.postimg.cc/C57BpTZ5/eastern-balkan.png
https://i.postimg.cc/J75BkJT8/western-balkan.png
https://i.postimg.cc/m2Z1NDqH/summary.png

[djipon]

Here are my new results (Bulgarian):

https://i.postimg.cc/GhSqGkHS/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/Bnrpw45T/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/ydBPsjbW/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/vHDvYc37/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/SN5fJkvB/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/bwtHn4Xs/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/SKbLfVqV/image.png

Unsupervised models not ready yet.

[Feiichy]

More Turkic and Balkan, less Slavic
https://i.postimg.cc/C57BpTZ5/eastern-balkan.png

wow. Very big old Bulgar input.

[Feiichy]

https://i.postimg.cc/T1ydRdd8/Screenshot-2024-12-14-at-12-23-43-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/W42sd6Nw/Screenshot-2024-12-14-at-12-24-27-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/CMZnMY6L/Screenshot-2024-12-14-at-12-27-57-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png (https://postimages.org/)
https://i.postimg.cc/VNL5xcCw/Screenshot-2024-12-14-at-12-28-42-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png (https://postimages.org/)


Nice. Iberian ethnogenesis is very interesting.

[pelikarski]

wow. Very big old Bulgar input.
I am happy :cool:

[Feiichy]

https://i.imgur.com/fHXvXu8.png
https://i.imgur.com/8KJhYz8.png
https://i.imgur.com/fFUL7Zt.png
https://i.imgur.com/5od9yKd.png

[Feiichy]

We will see Feiichys updated results - she as Croat will get Hungarian or Slovene closer than Croat.
No way I am closest to Croat average. They have all cluster of NW Croats who are Czech-like.
This is sick.

;)

https://i.imgur.com/SFTSoUS.png

https://i.imgur.com/MM1ZRO6.png

[Feiichy]

https://i.imgur.com/1lKYSr6.png

:puke:

I do not accept Croat average as closest.

:puke:

Welcome to the tribe ;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68sqAVcoNGY

[Dušan]

Welcome to the tribe ;)




:fuck:

According to this, you are 4 times more Avar than me (1.6% vs 0.4%).

[Dušan]

https://i.imgur.com/gcj5P4Q.png


https://i.imgur.com/0ZwX37T.png

[Voskos]

I also don't understand why they want us to re-upload something they already have.

possibly a new implicit acceptance of terms of use and this time it's the company that analyses instead of Polacko. Just guessing.

[ScandinavianCelt]

why are they giving me new scaled G25 coordinates that plot me completely outside of Europe? maybe they are in process of finalizing them still?

whole thing seems like a messy process

[Dušan]

Welcome to the tribe ;)



I dont give a fuck about their update.

Old ones were very good and similar to those I got from Gedmatch.

https://i.imgur.com/0wK7Kr4.png

[Geba]

Everybody is so excited... I have reuploaded my kit, let's see tomorrow. Main thing is that I don't get Russian, fingers crossed. :)

[ScandinavianCelt]

R5P MODERN (DIY) with my newly uploaded best MERGED DATA file I have (23andMe+Ancestry):

Fit: 0.984 (Very Good)
Select Populations
5 Pop

Irish 65.2%
Spanish 14.0%
Russia_Ryazan+Belarusian 9.4%
Lithuanian (North Zemaitija) 1.4%
Finnish (Southwest) 6.8%
Gujarati A+Kamboj (Rajasthan) 3.2%


Is there an APR list of insular-only members (like Graham, Grace, CDG etc) G25? Please post for me here if you have it.

I'm also curious which of our Spanish friends here I would plot closest to in terms of Spanish-only genetics. Prob would go back to Almoloya-Argar.

Thanks

[nittionia]

It just isn't great for me. They give me any northern ethnicity and then throw in a chunk of Mari :eek:

[Eurafricanid]

https://i.imgur.com/l0StQXW.jpeg


https://i.imgur.com/KBuSYs5.jpeg


No Sardinia:
https://i.imgur.com/iJL3AKI.jpeg


No Italy:
https://i.imgur.com/mFQ1ecv.jpeg


Roman Age LATAM:
https://i.imgur.com/XJVykdl.jpeg


Roman Age Global:
https://i.imgur.com/GH2Fmro.jpeg


Middle Ages LATAM:
https://i.imgur.com/ENnbpfH.jpeg


Middle Ages Global:
https://i.imgur.com/cXYHJ6t.jpeg


I'm from East Africa and North America now, apparently.

[RyoHazuki]

Why such high CHG? I notice the increased amount of CHG is throwing off a lot of people's results, mine included. Mine are more Eastern European shifted now. I am not impressed for €27.
https://i.postimg.cc/BZ1YCm5C/Screenshot-20241214-075034-Chrome.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/65JHbCYx/Screenshot-20241214-075244-Chrome.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/qMs1Pg5h/Screenshot-20241214-075424-Chrome.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/x1gtdhY9/Screenshot-20241214-075535-Chrome.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/rwqfMcBh/Screenshot-20241214-075919-Chrome.jpg

[majevica]

Why such high CHG?

https://i.postimg.cc/vHp6YkTZ/GJCXJgx-Xc-AA-JEO.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[RyoHazuki]

https://i.postimg.cc/vHp6YkTZ/GJCXJgx-Xc-AA-JEO.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Magically everyone is more Yamnaya

[Geba]

Suddenly more West Asian/ Arab than ever.

https://i.postimg.cc/kgnkFR76/183159.png

https://i.postimg.cc/FHDwPFKP/180935.png

https://i.postimg.cc/L86bZdVj/183306.png

[Eurafricanid]

If I uncheck all exclusively East African populations, East Asia, Southeast Asia, Oceania, Sardinia and Basque, it doesn't look that bad (the bantu is still Eastern though)


https://i.imgur.com/J4pJMFh.jpeg


I realized that I'm more CHG now, it was Assyrian/Kurd, now it's Anatolian Greek and Georgian.

[happycow]

https://i.imgur.com/riZN0cd.png

https://i.imgur.com/ow3s4jx.png

https://i.imgur.com/BxFrzcA.png

https://i.imgur.com/92IGlPg.png

https://i.imgur.com/LpAii7q.png

[~Elizabeth~]

Supervised Middle Ages

https://i.postimg.cc/J7N5wRkz/supervised-middle-ages.png




Unsupervised modern mixed mode

https://i.postimg.cc/DzRPhZ68/modern-mixed-mode.png

[gixajo]

Updated DIY Models modern all the populations.

https://i.imgur.com/nuiShUL.png

Basically all the Iberian is Basque-like + things...

https://i.imgur.com/h8AyST0.png

https://i.imgur.com/17ckAjs.png

https://i.imgur.com/QH1rfSw.png

[gixajo]

Nevermind

[Fistora]

I Noticed that my HG & Farmer from illustrativedna is more similar to FTdna Ancient European Origins after update
135068

[gixajo]

https://i.imgur.com/VEiaDld.png

[Xavier727]

Fit: 1.513 (Good)

Northwest Europe
79.0%
Iceland
66.8%
Icelander
66.8%
Scandinavia
12.2%
Swedish
12.2%
Southwest Europe
16.2%
South France
16.2%
French (Nouvelle-Aquitaine)
16.2%
West Asia and the Caucasus
3.6%
Northeast Caucasus
3.6%
Kubachi (Dagestan)
3.6%
Americas
1.2%
Amerindian
1.2%
Mixe (Mexico)
0.8%
Cree
0.2%
Chipewyan
0.2%

[Solitude]

another raw data appear high vasco and nw swedish without basque and papuan , another raw data is better i think

https://i.postimg.cc/nVm45pLm/illustrative-1.png

https://i.postimg.cc/GhBZ6ByQ/illustrative-2.png

https://i.postimg.cc/kGdDbrK6/Sem-T-tulo.png

[Vessna]

It’s somewhat more accurate for me.

https://i.imgur.com/RVp5x7p.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/J0PM0Rn.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/tz8wXjo.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/Bi0i65z.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/N4yLOxg.jpeg

[Vessna]

Northern Russian results:

https://i.imgur.com/31mBzkS.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/9eddzQo.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/2uQIXZU.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/m5stpK9.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/uNp3N7J.jpeg

[Voskos]

How long does the processing last?

[~Elizabeth~]

Updated DIY Models modern all the populations.


Fit: 2.069 (Good)

https://i.postimg.cc/0QVf3sjN/Northwest-Europe.png

https://i.postimg.cc/XqX86zBk/Southwest-Europe.png

https://i.postimg.cc/28rH50Rm/East-Europe-West-Asia-and-the-Caucasus.png

https://i.postimg.cc/76bkjq9s/Oceanian-and-South-Asia.png

https://i.postimg.cc/C5qzTG7Q/Sub-Saharan-African-and-Southeast-Asia.png

[tipirneni]

Bronze Age
https://i.ibb.co/tcwmJFV/illus11.png (https://ibb.co/bLjWKDc)
Iron Age
https://i.ibb.co/rHMdJWr/illus12.png (https://ibb.co/M7pBLX0)

[calxpal]

Mine are ready but I'm going to wait to share them because I'm still waiting on the ancient and modern mixed mode oracle results. The new results look alright actually, but are a bit less consistent and sometimes giving trace ancestry that doesn't make sense for me.

[Xavier727]

135072

[Geba]

How long does the processing last?

Some hours for initial results, one day for mixed modes.

[Ylla]

https://i.postimg.cc/HLqXQbZr/IMG-9945.jpg

[Geba]

Mine are ready but I'm going to wait to share them because I'm still waiting on the ancient and modern mixed mode oracle results. The new results look alright actually, but are a bit less consistent and sometimes giving trace ancestry that doesn't make sense for me.

Expecting anything new in mixed modes? Previously almost everybody was part Slovakian, part Turkish. ;)

[calxpal]

Expecting anything new in mixed modes? Previously almost everybody was part Slovakian, part Turkish. ;)

Hmm idk I'm gonna predict that based on my new periodical results a lot of the oracles are gonna give me Spanish+Baltic+Insular Celt like some of the new periodical breakdowns give me lol. Also I think it's gonna throw in a weird trace ancestry that doesn't align with other websites based on other changes I saw. I'm also expecting the modern populations to give me a lot more French and German/Austrian lol based on changes I saw too. And maybe a dash of some other random new minor ethnicity, and probably some similar rehashing of my old results somewhere.

[Feiichy]

Why such high CHG? I notice the increased amount of CHG is throwing off a lot of people's results, mine included.

It's reality and close to what formal stats show. Previous update showed too little CHG for northern Europeans who have highest Yamnaya ancestry of all and Yamnaya was half CHG. Interestingly I noticed some southern Balkanites who are Yamnaya low now score less CHG than before.

[Grace O'Malley]

The older coordinates and models were more accurate for me. I now am not Irish but Breton. I'll look at other models another day.

https://i.postimg.cc/sxvPZsNZ/Screenshot-2024-12-15-200650.png
https://i.postimg.cc/kgrNBrFB/Screenshot-2024-12-15-200715.png

[Russki]

https://sun83-2.userapi.com/impg/sEcH9-y1qeivWaHDdVY9lwdFutV2BFkK7g7BMg/59bahrgiXTQ.jpg?size=420x431&quality=95&sign=4696c1a1a356172f3870aba39ab145e1&type=album


From now on Illustrative DNA coords will became simulated apparently :noidea:

Long story short, Eurogenes/Davidski and Illustrative DNA had a quarrel/disagreement about how G25 should be improved.

Simultaneously they started developing separate projects and they were so disconnected from each other that Davidski initially assumed that Illustrative DNA will just use simulated G25, but he has now retracted that statement.

[Ylla]

The older coordinates and models were more accurate for me. I now am not Irish but Breton. I'll look at other models another day.

https://i.postimg.cc/sxvPZsNZ/Screenshot-2024-12-15-200650.png
https://i.postimg.cc/kgrNBrFB/Screenshot-2024-12-15-200715.png

That looks so far off for you Grace!
It's also given me trace Caucasian-Georgian.

135105

[ScandinavianCelt]

The older coordinates and models were more accurate for me. I now am not Irish but Breton. I'll look at other models another day.

https://i.postimg.cc/sxvPZsNZ/Screenshot-2024-12-15-200650.png
https://i.postimg.cc/kgrNBrFB/Screenshot-2024-12-15-200715.png

You have to remember it's called a deep modern so it's probably I'm guessing going to cover 2,000 years not just the last few hundred like these other modern tests but maybe they are bad in the end I don't know they don't fit really on any of the PCA maps maybe the custom but I imagine even that one is going to be a bit strange I don't really know if they're updating their pcas for this set of source samples do you know?

[Dušan]

These are radical changes, I dont trust them anymore.

Ancient population - 3 population profile:

Before:

https://i.imgur.com/znESBly.png


After:

https://i.imgur.com/d9DoV4P.png






Also 5 populations

Before:

https://i.imgur.com/KuYs6UX.png



After:

https://i.imgur.com/u55iHD2.png





How suddenly I got western shifted?

[Gallop]

My new results:

https://i.postimg.cc/HHm5jtTQ/Modern-Diciembre2024-Nuevo.png


Classifications obtained by Gallop:
-You do look Basque
-CM (Berid) + minor Baskid
-Baskid + Berid, maybe + some Med too
-Paleoatlantid (berid/CM) + a bit dinarid
-cromagnoid
-You kind of look like Nacho Cano.
-You look pretty Spanish Atlantic, also very very french, north italy common look.
-Atlantid + CM
-Placido Domingo-oid
-Roman Statue-id.
-You have some vibes of Pedro Alonso

-ODELIA: Hey! I can finally see you now! I thought you would be younger. I didn't expect an older guy. You have a classical Greek or Roman look. I imagine ancient Greek/Roman emperors to look like you. You look very familiar - Who do you look like? Joe Pesci or something?

-According my french (native) friends and other friends:

1. Catalonia, Southern Europe, but he added that he had a Polish acquaintance who looked like you... So, central europe also?;

2. According a slavic mixed french friend you looks like a "Proto-basques or Gascons";

3. A Breton friend told me that you looks like a guy from "south of France", more close to Pyrénées, but that she (cause she is a woman) possibly had Breton family members (distant) who looked like you (therefore more complex than "south of France"?);

4. According another Breton friend : you look like French, but more specifically you look like his neighbor (who is Breton from the gallo zone, romance zone);

5. Spaniard or Portuguese

6. Catalan


This is what they said in my personal ranking thread and as you can see there are users who matched and named territories that match territories that I see in these results, so thumbs up for them and thumbs down for others, hehe.



Special mention to the user @Flashball in my classification

Also to @Atlantic Reptilian and @Vader

Because they named territories that appear in these results in a significant way.




I think they are the ones that name territories that now appear in my results with a significant value.

Others like @Odelia or @Feichy for example were not correct, hehe. Thumbs down.

[Beowulf]

Long story short, Eurogenes/Davidski and Illustrative DNA had a quarrel/disagreement about how G25 should be improved.

Simultaneously they started developing separate projects and they were so disconnected from each other that Davidski initially assumed that Illustrative DNA will just use simulated G25, but he has now retracted that statement.

Thank you a lot for the context Russki!

[RyoHazuki]

It's reality and close to what formal stats show. Previous update showed too little CHG for northern Europeans who have highest Yamnaya ancestry of all and Yamnaya was half CHG. Interestingly I noticed some southern Balkanites who are Yamnaya low now score less CHG than before.

Its less accurate for me, the extra CHG makes me too slavic shifted.

[Eurafricanid]

These are radical changes, I dont trust them anymore.

Ancient population - 3 population profile:

Before:

https://i.imgur.com/znESBly.png


After:

https://i.imgur.com/d9DoV4P.png






Also 5 populations

Before:

https://i.imgur.com/KuYs6UX.png



After:

https://i.imgur.com/u55iHD2.png





How suddenly I got western shifted?

OH wow! Looks like they really outdid themselves this time!

[Feiichy]

OH wow! Looks like they really outdid themselves this time!

Dušan is just unintelligent. He isn't western shifted, this DIY model (so, irrelevant) gave him tons of Anatolian which is west Asian DNA and to counter it he got France. He is from western Balkans, not from Moldova and Romania and his results look more realistic now. Vbnethkio said formal models reject Serbs as mix of Slavic and eastern Balkan.

It's his problem he is butthurt he now gets Croatia as no.1 pop instead of Moldova. Guess what, he is a Serb from....Croatia.

Shocking, I know! ;)

[Feiichy]

Its less accurate for me, the extra CHG makes me too slavic shifted.

I don't see much Slavic about your results and people score less Slavic now, at least we south Slavs do. Which is more realistic as well.

[Eurafricanid]

Dušan is just unintelligent. He isn't western shifted, this DIY model (so, irrelevant) gave him tons of Anatolian which is west Asian DNA and to counter it he got France. He is from western Balkans, not from Moldova and Romania and his results look more realistic now.

It's his problem he is butthurt he now gets Croatia as no.1 pop instead of Moldova. Guess what, he is a Serb from....Croatia.

Shocking, I know! ;)

I get that, but I match East African populations and North Amerindian now.

[RyoHazuki]

A shame they are using simulated coords you could get for free now. The new result is less accurate than the old one. Suddenly many people with Isles ancestry are a quarter slavic, one step forward and two steps back.

#
Population
distance
1 Dutch 2.220
2 English (Cornwall) 2.281
3 White American (Utah) 2.297
4 Welsh 2.317
5 German 2.330
6 English (Kent) 2.350
7 Scottish 2.483
8 Orcadian 2.551
9 Irish 2.598
10 Austrian 2.675
11 French (Bourgogne-Franche-Comte) 2.768
12 Danish 2.808
13 French (Hauts-de-France) 2.890
14 Breton 2.907
15 French (Grand Est) 2.976
16 French (Normandy) 3.020
17 Norwegian 3.117
18 Icelander 3.136
19 French 3.253
20 Czech 3.645
21 Swedish 3.700
22 Hungarian 3.731
23 Slovenian 3.917
24 Croat 4.364
25 Slovakian 4.454
26 Serb (Bosnia) 4.501
27 Italian (Aosta Valley) 4.589
28 French (Provence) 4.623
29 Bosniak 4.795
30 Ukrainian (Lviv) 4.925

https://i.postimg.cc/J0pLNpcW/Screenshot-20241215-104039-Chrome.jpg

[Eurafricanid]

A shame they are using simulated coords you could get for free now. The new result is less accurate than the old one. Suddenly many people with Isles ancestry are a quarter slavic, one step forward and two steps back.


You got it wrong, they're not using sims now, they've literally made a new coordinates system inspired by G25.

[Feiichy]

A shame they are using simulated coords you could get for free now.

These are not simulated coords. Please stop spreading misinformation.
DIY modeling is irrelevant, you are not quarter Slavic neither your results imply it. It works like calculator, but seems many people are not enough bright to figure it out.

[Eurafricanid]

The older coordinates and models were more accurate for me. I now am not Irish but Breton. I'll look at other models another day.

https://i.postimg.cc/sxvPZsNZ/Screenshot-2024-12-15-200650.png
https://i.postimg.cc/kgrNBrFB/Screenshot-2024-12-15-200715.png

I think I might be getting how this new system for ILLUSTRATIVE DNA works, what happens if you just uncheck everything that wouldn't make any sense for you, like Northeast Caucasus, Volga Ural, and Amerindian, what do you get after that?

[Feiichy]

You got it wrong, they're not using sims now, they're literally made a new coordinates system inspired by G25.

I'm very happy to hear they are parting from Davidski. G25 was flawed and he had way too much monopoly + Slavic bias (it was too sensitive to Balto Slavic drift and made Slavs artificialy too distinct from other Euriopeans).

To me this looks like improvement. Modern population averages remain suspicious, but they are probably same that Davidski had so it's not really their fault.

[RyoHazuki]

I don't see much Slavic about your results and people score less Slavic now, at least we south Slavs do. Which is more realistic as well.

I get about 12% Russian and 8% Czech. Before it made sense for my E. German side to have some Baltic/Slavic admix but now its too much.

[Feiichy]

I get about 12% Russian and 8% Czech. Before it made sense for my E. German side to have some Baltic/Slavic admix but now its too much.

Seems to me people are complaining because some results don't match their wishes.

[Eurafricanid]

I'm very happy to hear they are parting from Davidski. G25 was flawed and he had way too much monopoly + Slavic bias (it was too sensitive to Balto Slavic drift and made Slavs artificialy too distinct from other Euriopeans).

To me this looks like improvement. Modern population averages remain suspicious, but they are probably same that Davidski had so it's not really their fault.

Yeah, that is nice, but also, it's more confusing and not an improvement for everybody (oh no! You captured my typo before I corrected it :()

[RyoHazuki]

These are not simulated coords. Please stop spreading misinformation.
DIY modeling is irrelevant, you are not quarter Slavic neither your results imply it. It works like calculator, but seems many people are not enough bright to figure it out.

Apologies, I had seen earlier posts and assumed that was the case.


Seems to me people are complaining because some results don't match their wishes.

It's not that, its just my first impression was that it was less accurate than previously, which was disappointing for a paid service. If it's actually more accurate now then I stand corrected.

[Feiichy]

my DIY model (modern):

Serb (Bosnia)
55.0%
Greek (Thessaly)
1.2%
Albanian
0.6%
Latvian
17.6%
Russian (Kaluga)
6.0%
Ukrainian (Zhytomyr)
3.4%
Italian (Trentino-Alto Adige)
13.4%
Sardinian
1.8%
Tibetan (Chamdo)
1.0%

ancient:

Slavic (AD 540–1270)
49.2%
Balkans (AD 500–1000)
16.6%
Baltic (AD 900–1050)
14.2%
Sardinian (AD 770–1000)
11.6%
Byzantine Anatolia (AD 500–1100)
6.8%
Sinitic (1230 BC–AD 1670)
0.8%
France (AD 130–1400)
0.6%
Germanic (AD 700–1000)
0.2%

[RyoHazuki]

Ancient DIY (no limit)

Germanic (AD 700–1000)
34.4%
Insular Celt (AD 100–1000)
26.2%
Iberian (AD 300–1200)
15.0%
France (AD 130–1400)
8.6%
Baltic (AD 900–1050)
8.4%
Italian (AD 650–1450)
3.8%
European Jew (AD 1160–1400)
3.4%
Sub-Saharan African
0.2%

[Impaler]

Big changes for my father. I don't know how accurate it's now

https://i.ibb.co/H74d9f5/model-1.png (https://ibb.co/BL3NY50)

https://i.ibb.co/pWvqH1r/model-4.png (https://ibb.co/KNjnt5z)

https://i.ibb.co/DRVb1XQ/model-3.png (https://ibb.co/Kr0G5ZW)

[Nurzat]

Illustrative DNA > Supervised Models > Periodical > Middle Ages:

my dad:
68.0% Slavic (AD 540–1270)
27.8% Balkans (AD 500–1000)
4.0% Turkic (AD 650–1200)
0.2% Volga (AD 200–400)

my maternal grandma:
51.6% Slavic (AD 540–1270)
25.6% Balkans (AD 500–1000)
22.2% Byzantine Anatolia (AD 500–1100)
0.6% Turkic (AD 650–1200)


Illustrative DNA > Supervised Models > HG & Farmer:

my dad:
39.2% European Hunter-Gatherer
36.8% Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
19.8% Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer
3.0% Zagros Neolithic Farmer
1.0% East Siberian Hunter-Gatherer
0.2% Yellow River Neolithic Farmer

my maternal grandma:
45.6% Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
32.4% European Hunter-Gatherer
22.0%Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer

[Geba]

Seems to me people are complaining because some results don't match their wishes.

The results just don't much genealogy, even for moderately mixed people like me. Yeah, approximately, something plus minus, blabla.

[Geba]

My Periodical Middle Ages. Not 100% Slavic. :yell: :D

https://i.ibb.co/cwSXh2s/224923.png

[J. Ketch]

Periodical

Iron Age


Insular Celt (600 BC–AD 100)
62.2%
Germanic (AD 100–600)
31.0%
Iberian (700–50 BC)
6.8%

Middle Ages


Insular Celt (AD 100–1000)
40.0%
Germanic (AD 700–1000)
37.2%
France (AD 130–1400)
21.2%
Iberian (AD 300–1200)
1.6%

Ancient DIY (3 pop)


Insular Celt (AD 100–1000)
40.4%
Germanic (AD 700–1000)
36.6%
France (AD 130–1400)
23.0%

Closest Ancient Samples


Post-Medieval Faroese
1.818
Medieval Gael (Roscommon)
1.860
Medieval Frisian (Groningen)
2.080
Iron Age Briton
2.083
Pict
2.177
Saxon (Lower Saxony)
2.204
Medieval Schleswig
2.265
Romano-Briton
2.317
Longobard (Pannonia)
2.367
Saxon (Cambridgeshire)
2.379

[tk'es]

Hunter Gatherer & Farmer Ancestry


https://i.ibb.co/PrNpc4P/hg-farmer-ancestry.png







Ancient ancestry


https://i.ibb.co/XpH3G7T/ancient-ancestry.png








Modern ancestry


https://i.ibb.co/wRbdSJ1/modern-ancestry.png







Closest ancient samples


https://i.ibb.co/Dbpx8TH/ancient-samples.png







Iron age


https://i.ibb.co/PDtKkjp/iron-age.png








Late antiquity


https://i.ibb.co/YjNNgQC/late-antiquity.png







Middle ages


https://i.ibb.co/sQFHw35/middle-ages.png

[Geba]

Hunter Gatherer & Farmer Ancestry


Surprised you don't get Zagros Neolithic farmer. Even I got 0.4%.

[tk'es]

Surprised you don't get Zagros Neolithic farmer. Even I got 0.4%.



the old g25 illustrativedna showed me 0.8% zagros neolithic farmer, now it is disappeared for some reason

[Impaler]

Can someone explain me about the Zagros and South Indian difference between my father and ancient/modern Roma-Gypsy samples? Why he shows such high Zagros?

https://i.ibb.co/PDQxK7W/roma-albania.png (https://imgbb.com/)

https://i.ibb.co/zGQ8TgW/roma-modern.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Father:

https://i.ibb.co/H74d9f5/model-1.png (https://ibb.co/BL3NY50)

[BoredBalkanMan]

Funnily enough the averages aren't that far off for me

135126

[Dušan]

Dušan is just unintelligent. He isn't western shifted, this DIY model (so, irrelevant) gave him tons of Anatolian which is west Asian DNA and to counter it he got France. He is from western Balkans, not from Moldova and Romania and his results look more realistic now. Vbnethkio said formal models reject Serbs as mix of Slavic and eastern Balkan.

It's his problem he is butthurt he now gets Croatia as no.1 pop instead of Moldova. Guess what, he is a Serb from....Croatia.

Shocking, I know! ;)

You are uninteligent yourself.

I am into autosomal genetics for years. Somehow and suddenly now getting lot of France, that I had never get in any calculator is quite suspicious.
I do not accept this new update.

Also I lost my traces of Siberian from FTDNA, that was indeed get into old DIY from Illustrative DNA as Volgan.

This put me western and it is false.

[Feiichy]

You are uninteligent yourself.

I am into autosomal genetics for years. Somehow and suddenly now getting lot of France, that I had never get in any calculator is quite suspicious.
I do not accept this new update.

Also I lost my traces of Siberian from FTDNA, that was indeed get into old DIY from Illustrative DNA as Volgan.

This put me western and it is false.

Ofcourse you will get France when the rest is Anatolian, moron. Balkans is genetically between the two.
Neither is real, that's why DIY models are just for fun.

Nah you're salty because your results look like of convert to orthodoxy while you accused Croats they are Serbs in the past.

Well guess what, you are not the real Serb lol lol lol

[Dušan]

Ofcourse you will get France when the rest is Anatolian, moron. Balkans is genetically between the two.
Neither is real, that's why DIY models are just for fun.

Nah you're salty because your results look like of convert to orthodoxy while you accused Croats they are Serbs in the past.

Well guess what, you are not the real Serb lol lol lol

Balkans is not between France and Anatolia, witch.
I never get any French, and other western genetics, until this update. Never.

I would rather die this moment than have one drop of Croatian blood.

All 8 my great-grandparents were ethnic Serbs.

[tipirneni]

Can someone explain me about the Zagros and South Indian difference between my father and ancient/modern Roma-Gypsy samples? Why he shows such high Zagros?

https://i.ibb.co/PDQxK7W/roma-albania.png (https://imgbb.com/)

https://i.ibb.co/zGQ8TgW/roma-modern.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Father:

https://i.ibb.co/H74d9f5/model-1.png (https://ibb.co/BL3NY50)
[/url]

Indians like me close the Roma ydna H-M82 clades already had higher Zagros as you below. Some of us had Hurrian like admixture or Medes like and Elamite like

[url=https://ibb.co/zX7k8Hq]https://i.ibb.co/bs2fHRc/illu111.png (https://imgbb.com/)

mine shows small Mannean probably mixed up left over Hurrian and Elamite

https://i.ibb.co/rHMdJWr/illus12.png (https://ibb.co/M7pBLX0)

[Feiichy]

Balkans is not between France and Anatolia, witch.
I never get any French, and other western genetics, until this update. Never.

I would rather die this moment than have one drop of Croatian blood.

All 8 my great-grandparents were ethnic Serbs.

I know Dušan, you are not a sharpest tool in the shed to put it politely lol

You can't get so much Anatolia, dumbass. You are from Croatia, not Thrace. Thus it gave you France to overcompensate for Anatolian because Anatolian is extremely eastern DNA. Formal stats, not G25 trash, reject Serbs as modeled without Illyrian (ofc).

You can't be from Croatia or Bosnia and score 0 Illyrian lolz.

Your iron age model with both Thracian and Illyrian looks correct.

You are just salty because you are outlying Serv genetically hence such agression on internet, converts always need to prove themselves as hard-core :cool:

Bye-bye, sweetie.

[Dušan]

I know Dušan, you are not a sharpest tool in the shed to put it politely lol

You can't get so much Anatolia, dumbass. You are from Croatia, not Thrace. Thus it gave you France to overcompensate for Anatolian because Anatolian is extremely eastern DNA. Formal stats, not G25 trash, reject Serbs as modeled without Illyrian (ofc).

You can't be from Croatia or Bosnia and score 0 Illyrian lolz.

Your iron age model with both Thracian and Illyrian looks correct.

You are just salty because you are outlying Serv genetically hence such agression on internet, converts always need to prove themselves as hard-core :cool:

Bye-bye, sweetie.

I do not have anything with Iron Age Croatia.
My ancestors settled from southeast into empty land in 16th and 17th century.
We are recent settlers, not ancient population.

Bye-bye

[Feiichy]

I do not have anything with Iron Age Croatia.
My ancestors settled from southeast into empty land in 16th and 17th century.
We are recent settlers, not ancient population.

Bye-bye

Lol lol lol entire western Balkan was Illyrian

I understand what you want to say, that they actually came from Turkey

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/media/lol-rofl-gif.60536/full

[Wend-Kruzek]

Well, I already have new coordinates.
Q: Which one to use? Which are correct?
thank you.


My New
wend_kruzek_raw_dna_data,-0.01671,-0.008227,0.01174,-0.007241,0.007531,-0.019039,0.003375,0.000202,0.001746,-0.003172,-0.005175,-0.002111,0.009467,-0.00291,-0.002067,-0.003683,-0.003182,0.007596,0,-0.000191,-0.004473,-0.008686,-0.0021,0.000683,-0.004498
wend_kruzek_scal_dna_data,-0.19019568,-0.083545539,0.044275061,-0.02338957,0.023176681,-0.053098814,0.0079317287,0.00046707601,0.003571890 3,-0.0057808546,-0.0084032303,-0.0031639975,0.014073192,-0.0040048833,-0.0028053235,-0.0048835725,-0.004148836,0.0096237436,-0,-0.00023832751,-0.0055809408,-0.010740313,-0.0025881576,0.00082290947,-0.0053861266

I have to redo the picture again:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Dušan]

Lol lol lol entire western Balkan was Illyrian

I understand what you want to say, that they actually came from Turkey

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/media/lol-rofl-gif.60536/full

In convereted version I got more reliable results.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?390942-New-Illustrative-DNA-Deep-Modern-UNscaled-G25

https://i.imgur.com/ugtOpNY.png

https://i.imgur.com/EQH1BM1.png


Bye-bye

[Dardanos]

135129
135130
135131
135132
135133
135134
135135
135136
135137
135138


Lower zagros, lower ENF, more CHG, modern population more Albanian shifted then previous, it made me little bit less slavic then previous

[calxpal]

Does anyone else here still have their mixed mode results under process after over 2 days? ):

[Xavier727]

Does anyone else here still have their mixed mode results under process after over 2 days? ):

No, I’m still waiting on mine as well

[Geba]

Does anyone else here still have their mixed mode results under process after over 2 days? ):

Same, seems they are stuck.

[Fistora]

My (Polish) PCA plot and middle ages before and after update135148135149135150135151

[Beowulf]

Broham, how long does it take them to process your new coordinates after you upload your DNA ? I got a new phone and I was finally able to log on to my account. The craziest thing is I could not sign in, with a newish laptop using Fedora 41 nor my other phone !


I only had to wait 1 day in order to get the new coordinates.

[Fistora]

I made 3 missing German samples, i did it just intuitively and based on the percentage of samples from the previous version of davidski g25 soo it's just amateur, dont hate me...
I would be grateful if someone with German origin could test it and tell if its at least approximately correct


German_Hamburg,-0.19206700863820003,-0.07792316921748,0.04327704941576001,-0.021996277678080003,0.01988847986096,-0.05302159756406,0.0020770601728820003,0.003082314 079316,0.004548568229006001,-0.004682345949838001,-0.0003167386868219998,-0.001072330325507,0.004832042457406,0.000104493774 45800003,-0.0026018126905040006,-0.0000812844454346,0.0019508736515688003,-0.005676706584429999,-0.000013250939958199895,-0.0005191673868724,0.0018689598926122,0.0040297297 20504,-0.001979569389054,0.0025515946874896003,-0.0032308046387120003
German_Erlangen,-0.19548864933,-0.075729755662,0.039731288844000005,-0.024807750552,0.013561493224,-0.044043591489,0.0014996444683000002,0.00463622336 54,0.005188669838900001,-0.0044509969997,0.0012857156207000003,-0.0005592531620499999,0.004922134698899999,0.00055 93507227,-0.0024313873676000005,-0.00051089405599,0.0008454947177200002,-0.005270521204499999,0.0006692626026700001,-0.00051422898606,0.00020777619742999999,0.00303054 28676000003,-0.0022439016501,0.00089269778424,-0.0029394595828
German_East,-0.193358460051746,-0.0771356597715644,0.042169893050552805,-0.0230016071287824,0.018955602893308797,-0.05107974517030181,0.0016982474558124602,0.001999 04574940748,0.0034076309106681807,-0.0041429683636091405,-0.0007336431482306598,-0.00085588718535621,0.00348458508777218,0.00036364 724080174,0.0017509408908128795,-0.002499033956552838,-0.00026923754726653577,-0.0021981898206628993,0.0026231549105146545,-0.000554230805531372,-0.000987774657935034,0.0020362839689471203,-0.0015625752423256201,-0.0001272244156465119,-0.00415059695735736

[djipon]

I received my Mixed Modern and Mixed Ancient today!

https://i.postimg.cc/3NG8Q6nD/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/RCJVt64V/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/K8xZC0LR/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/br1hBnwx/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/QxsGMHMz/image.png

[Beowulf]

I received my Mixed Modern and Mixed Ancient today!

https://i.postimg.cc/3NG8Q6nD/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/RCJVt64V/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/K8xZC0LR/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/br1hBnwx/image.png

https://i.postimg.cc/QxsGMHMz/image.png


Yaaaay!!!!

[Lux Tenebras]

Same, seems they are stuck.

Did you get it?

[tk'es]

Unsupervised Models "These results are under process. Please check back in few hours."

[Eurafricanid]

Does anyone else here still have their mixed mode results under process after over 2 days? ):

YUP!!

[Saba]

Target: Saba
Distance: 2.7513% / 0.02751293 | ADC: 0.5x RC
61.6 Lur_Lorestan
28.0 Azerbaijani_Tabriz
8.8 Bandari_Iran
1.6 Ju_Hoansi_Namibia


The update on the website sucks. But the coordinates are really good actually. This actually adds up to being very similar to my paper trail without me needing to manipulate the source populations. I hope they fix the HG& Farmer on the website. The CHG component is wayyyyy too sensitive and now my results don’t make any sense. I tend to score decent amounts of Caucasian on most calcs but this is clearly ridiculous

[rothaer]

My distances based on the new IllustrativeDNA G25 coords, re-calculated from the raw data. Obviously the typical "Sweden-bug" for Eastern Germans from G25 is preserved.

The proximity to Czech is okay as well as the notable distance to the pan-German average. But the closeness to Slovaks seems incorrect. It's not supported by other calculations.

https://i.imgur.com/qjBLdHb.jpeg

[Geba]

Did you get it?

No, still nothing in Unsupervised Models.

[Geba]

The proximity to Czech is okay as well as the notable distance to the pan-German average.

2.597 is a significant distance?

My number 1 is 2.397...

[rothaer]

2.597 is a significant distance?

My number 1 is 2.397...

I just meant relatively, i. e. compared to my other figures. So Czech may well be closer.

[calxpal]

Did you get it?

I still have not got mine after over 3 days I decided to click the update button again to see if it will speed it up.

[Geba]

Due to high demand, these results are currently being processed. This may take a few days. Please check back later.

I hope it won't be same as MyHeritage.

[calxpal]

Due to high demand, these results are currently being processed. This may take a few days. Please check back later.

I hope it won't be same as MyHeritage.

Lol I just saw that too. I trust that I'll get them, but after MyHeritage you do wonder lol. I'll forgive MyHeritage though if they re-release it and it's quite good.

[Lux Tenebras]

I still have not got mine after over 3 days I decided to click the update button again to see if it will speed it up.

It wont but nice try haha don't know what is taking so long.
you can try for modern to use their source and cords and predict
for example mine
2 way and 3 way

1.
Distance: 0.0169% / 0.01686391 | R2P
65.2 Greek_Thessaly
34.8 Polish


Distance: 0.0164% / 0.01641003 | R3P
36.4 Greek_Thessaly
32.2 Polish
31.4 Albanian_Kosovo

2.
Distance: 0.0174% / 0.01741264 | R2P
68.3 Albanian
31.7 Ukrainian_Chernihiv


Distance: 0.0171% / 0.01705147 | R3P
56.3 Albanian
30.0 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
13.7 Italian_Veneto

for ancient pop there is no source unfortunately

[Feiichy]

https://i.imgur.com/M8cnh4S.png

https://i.imgur.com/94saaFf.png

https://i.imgur.com/ZZrkcE5.png

https://i.imgur.com/XuwL9N9.png

https://i.imgur.com/ptZJV4A.png

[vader]

My ancestrydna data distances are much much better now:

https://i.imgur.com/HyxcmxB.png

[vader]

Anyone know how to get the scaled coordinates??? Or is it the same as our old coordinates

[Geba]

Anyone know how to get the scaled coordinates??? Or is it the same as our old coordinates

You can download your new coordinates in Supplementary > Download Coordinates.

[Geba]

https://i.imgur.com/M8cnh4S.png


Croat + Russian? Yeah, that "fits" you. A bit off at least. I feel now everybody from Eastern Europe will get Russian. Oh "joy".

[vasiliki23]

I got my updated coordinates and I am now Asian on every calc I run???

[Geba]

I got my updated coordinates and I am now Asian on every calc I run???

Probably those new coordinates are not compatible with old calculators.

[vasiliki23]

Probably those new coordinates are not compatible with old calculators.

Thanks :)

[Feiichy]

Croat + Russian? Yeah, that "fits" you. A bit off at least. I feel now everybody from Eastern Europe will get Russian. Oh "joy".

It just means I am slightly more northern than Croatian average, nothing more or less.

[Dušan]

Croat + Russian? Yeah, that "fits" you. A bit off at least. I feel now everybody from Eastern Europe will get Russian. Oh "joy".

I also got Serb + minor Russian / Estonian / Finnish

https://i.imgur.com/gcj5P4Q.png

[Geba]

It just means I am slightly more northern than Croatian average, nothing more or less.

According to what you said before your ancestry, I would rather expect Croat +German or Croat + Czech. Russian is far North-East for you. But yeah, maybe we expect too much precision...

[Geba]

I also got Serb + minor Russian / Estonian / Finnish


Not very surprised about you. Your results always seemed to me borderline north Slavic or at least more northern than most Serbs.

[Demirkazık]

I'm getting impatient with how long it takes with its unsupervised models.

[vader]

You can download your new coordinates in Supplementary > Download Coordinates.

Are they unscaled or scaled? I’m getting weird results with scaled calcs

[Demirkazık]

Are they unscaled or scaled? I’m getting weird results with scaled calcs

They are incompatible with Davidski's G25. You need to download the new data sheet from the panel where you download your own coordinates.

[Feiichy]

According to what you said before your ancestry, I would rather expect Croat +German or Croat + Czech. Russian is far North-East for you. But yeah, maybe we expect too much precision...

I'm Slavic shifted for my ancestry, more like my dad (full south Slav) than mom.

[Lux Tenebras]

Not very surprised about you. Your results always seemed to me borderline north Slavic or at least more northern than most Serbs.

But how he got just 50.4% slavic that is average for Serbs. I expected 60% Slavic for someone like him.

[Feiichy]

But how he got just 50.4% slavic that is average for Serbs. I expected 60% Slavic for someone like him.

It's not average. Average Serbs are below 50% Slavic on updated Illustrative. Slavic percentage shrank for south Slavs.

[Russki]

I also got Serb + minor Russian / Estonian / Finnish

Still no meaningful Finnic drift. Your possible trace-level Magyar/Bulgar/Hun/Avar ancestry gets "awarded" with a Finnic package.

[majevica]

Got results for Late Antiquity and Middle Ages

https://i.postimg.cc/c4rfN9cc/Screenshot-404.png (https://postimages.org/)



https://i.postimg.cc/LXpV9ts8/Screenshot-406.png (https://postimages.org/)

[hazmatnik]

https://i.postimg.cc/FRhGgX2R/Screenshot-20241217-172343-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/kVhxqzM3)

https://i.postimg.cc/fT1Kq961/Screenshot-20241217-172406-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/fJjmJJWv)capture (https://postimages.org/app)

https://i.postimg.cc/BZVctFQt/Screenshot-20241217-172425-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/SjczvJ9p)

https://i.postimg.cc/NM0mjs31/Screenshot-20241217-172445-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/KKdR92vz)

[ScandinavianCelt]

My distances based on the new IllustrativeDNA G25 coords, re-calculated from the raw data. Obviously the typical "Sweden-bug" for Eastern Germans from G25 is preserved.

The proximity to Czech is okay as well as the notable distance to the pan-German average. But the closeness to Slovaks seems incorrect. It's not supported by other calculations.

https://i.imgur.com/qjBLdHb.jpeg

What's your distance to Dutch?

Looks like you are closer to Swedish than me and I am closer to German than you. Go figure.

Swedish is just off my screenshot at 2.639%. German 1.8%

https://i.postimg.cc/63qVhkrL/modern-deep-distances.jpg (https://postimg.cc/YGcmryyh)

If I run G25 with just top 15 distanced samples I get this:

Target: SC_Brad_Official_Merged_Scaled
Distance: 1.4560% / 0.01455977
45.4 German
33.0 Irish
21.6 Norwegian

Target: SC_Brad_Official_Merged_Scaled
Distance: 1.4560% / 0.01455977 | ADC: 0.5x RC
45.4 German
33.0 Irish
21.6 Norwegian

Target: SC_Brad_Official_Merged_Scaled
Distance: 1.5291% / 0.01529109 | ADC: 2x RC
52.6 Orcadian
47.4 German

[Fistora]

I have not recieved unsupervised models yet, but these are my 2way oracle results for modern populations:
Distance to: Fistora
0.02768780 11.40% French_Nouvelle-Aquitaine + 88.60% Polish
0.02786316 9.60% Basque_Spain + 90.40% Polish
0.02802135 9.80% Basque_France + 90.20% Polish
0.02804924 10.40% French_Occitania + 89.60% Polish
0.02808356 17.80% French_Nouvelle-Aquitaine + 82.20% Ukrainian_Rivne
0.02812723 90.00% Polish + 10.00% Spanish_Cantabria
0.02813166 52.80% Polish + 47.20% Slovakian
0.02820881 15.60% Basque_Spain + 84.40% Ukrainian_Rivne

and my top 30 closest populations:
1 Polish 2.958
2 Slovakian 2.995
3 Ukrainian (Kirovohrad) 3.240
4 Ukrainian (Rivne) 3.309
5 Czech 3.370
6 Ukrainian (Lviv) 3.394
7 Ukrainian (Zhytomyr) 3.422
8 Ukrainian (Sumy) 3.462
9 Ukrainian (Poltava) 3.508
10 Ukrainian (Zakarpattia) 3.534
11 Ukrainian (Chernihiv) 3.613
12 Ukrainian (Dnipro) 3.757
13 Russian (Kursk) 3.765
14 Russian (Voronezh) 3.808
15 Russian (Smolensk) 3.818
16 Belarusian 3.843
17 Russian (Belgorod) 3.859
18 Slovenian 3.861
19 Russian (Oryol) 3.879
20 Ukrainian (Donetsk) 3.937
21 Hungarian 4.044
22 Swedish 4.077
23 Russian (Kaluga) 4.137
24 Russian (Ryazan) 4.229
25 Lithuanian (South Aukstaitija) 4.254
26 Croat 4.501
27 German 4.537
28 Norwegian 4.638
29 Danish 4.641
30 Russian (Tver) 4.662

[Eurafricanid]

https://i.imgur.com/JymqiCJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0qdGYj7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gMAwKId.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LkQtIwj.jpg
(IK this says South Amerindian, but it matches Zapotec Mexico)

Me matching a Bantu Population as modern 3-way, doesn't make any sense, as well as a North American population.
The European is not very consistent and seems a bit high, except for Etruscan.

[Geba]

I got full results this morning. Guess what is my closest modern population, based on mixed mode:

https://i.ibb.co/1GFVLVb/171547.png

[majevica]

Guess what is my closest modern population, based on mixed mode:

Ukrainian Lviv

Strong Semitic signal btw. Any known Jewish ancestry?

[Geba]

Ukrainian Lviv

Strong Semitic signal btw. Any known Jewish ancestry?

Ukrainian Zakarpattia (Transcarpathian). No known Jewish ancestry and I know my lineages well, sure that all great grandparents weren't Jewish. Further away in 19th century there is some unclarity on female lineages...

[Voskos]

Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
60.2%
Zagros Neolithic Farmer
18.6%
European Hunter-Gatherer
11.6%
Natufian Hunter-Gatherer
4.8%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer
4.8%

[tk'es]

https://i.ibb.co/fryxXcB/1.png



two way - nw euro
three way - sw euro

[Highwayman]

1 English (Kent) 2.125
2 Welsh 2.141
3 Dutch 2.152
4 White American (Utah) 2.174
5 Scottish 2.188
6 Orcadian 2.207
7 English (Cornwall) 2.234
8 Irish 2.268
9 German 2.351
10 Breton 2.383
11 Icelander 2.607
12 Danish 2.616
13 Norwegian 2.683
14 Austrian 2.753
15 French (Normandy) 2.814
16 French (Bourgogne-Franche-Comte) 2.910
17 French (Hauts-de-France) 2.940
18 French 2.985
19 French (Grand Est) 3.097
20 Swedish 3.472
21 Hungarian 3.779
22 Czech 4.086
23 Slovenian 4.123
24 Croat 4.305
25 Slovakian 4.335
26 French (Provence) 4.395
27 Italian (Aosta Valley) 4.432
28 Bosniak 4.544
29 Serb (Bosnia) 4.593
30 Serb (Croatia) 4.657

[Dušan]

Before update I had South Slav from Bitola (N.Macedonia) as closest, after update South Slav from Doclea (Montenegro)

https://i.imgur.com/zwe2FaF.png

https://i.imgur.com/TuSq8T5.png



How is possible such change???

[Voskos]

I got full results this morning. Guess what is my closest modern population, based on mixed mode:

https://i.ibb.co/1GFVLVb/171547.png

Swedish? Belarus?

[Geba]

Swedish? Belarus?

Transcarpathian/ SW Ukraine.

[Nurzat]

...

where do you fall on this PCA on Illustrative DNA?


my dad still falls in the Ukrainian cluster, even though marginally, but in an area not overlapped by other populations:

https://i.imgur.com/iLnG6Bl.png


his distance to modern pop average:

https://i.imgur.com/RQShHs5.png

[Geba]

where do you fall on this PCA on Illustrative DNA?


More to the left of your dad, Ukrainian cluster. Is your dad Romanian + Ukrainian?

https://i.ibb.co/XzFP3Yk/053056.png

[majevica]

Got results for Late Antiquity and Middle Ages

And the other ones

https://i.postimg.cc/9QZyM3dC/Screenshot-408.png (https://postimages.org/)


https://i.postimg.cc/0NvDKtnm/Screenshot-411.png (https://postimages.org/)


https://i.postimg.cc/c4VQ018F/Screenshot-412.png (https://postimages.org/)


Gaul stronk

[Nurzat]

More to the left of your dad, Ukrainian cluster. Is your dad Romanian + Ukrainian?

no, he is just Ukrainian, but from Romania - there is a compact continuous area of Ukrainian-speaking villages along the northern border of Romania, in Bucovina and Maramureș regions. his profile is pretty typical for the region and for their geographical position at the edge of the Ukrainian/East Slavic world - see how far he is from Romanians (Romanian average is at position 26 in his list of closest populations, at 3.8 or 3.9 distance, even average German is slightly closer to him, at 3.6).

а те українка? вежу прапур Латвії :) (пишу єк ме говоримо тут, у нашому регіоні)

[Geba]

а те українка? вежу прапур Латвії :) (пишу єк ме говоримо тут, у нашому регіоні)

Я народилась у Латвії, моя мама українка, а тато ні. Все ж якось мої генетичні результати дуже українські. ;)

[Dušan]

Я народилась у Латвії, моя мама українка, а тато ні. Все ж якось мої генетичні результати дуже українські. ;)

Hi Geba, what is your father by ethnicity?

[Geba]

Hi Geba, what is your father by ethnicity?

Polish from Latvia.

[Demirkazık]

https://i.ibb.co/JmF8YzF/floorp-3kg2-Vr-Sv-Bf.png

Almost perfect.

[alexmegas777]

https://i.ibb.co/gDcptzY/Screenshot-20241219-193134-1.png
https://i.ibb.co/8M8VF1j/Screenshot-20241219-193143-1.png
https://i.ibb.co/bQRLLjj/Screenshot-20241219-193155-1.png
https://i.ibb.co/XWghx75/Screenshot-20241219-193202-2.png
https://i.ibb.co/7QL36mj/Screenshot-20241219-193210-1.png
https://i.ibb.co/zb2k26Q/Screenshot-20241219-193226-1.png
https://i.ibb.co/3R28M5Q/Screenshot-20241219-193240-1.png
https://i.ibb.co/fQGL6q7/Screenshot-20241219-193303-1.png
https://i.ibb.co/ZhLMwN3/Screenshot-20241219-193355-1.png
https://i.ibb.co/HqWGK8J/Screenshot-20241219-193537-1.png

[Dick]

I do not accept Croat average as closest.

:puke:


They screw everything!

https://i.imgur.com/chVLhDz.png

https://media.tenor.com/rfJzP_rnZkQAAAAM/denzel-washington-my-heart.gif

[Dušan]

https://i.imgur.com/chVLhDz.png

https://media.tenor.com/rfJzP_rnZkQAAAAM/denzel-washington-my-heart.gif

They are stupid.

Whenever is some Serb more northern shifted in genetics, they place him closer to Croats.
They should start using and comparing IBD segments, and see which individual really belong to what ethnic group.

[rothaer]

They are stupid.

Whenever is some Serb more northern shifted in genetics, they place him closer to Croats.
They should start using and comparing IBD segments, and see which individual really belong to what ethnic group.

An interesting idea (not kidding).

This forces to have some thoughts on what excatly is displayed by "distance". In fact, there is not determined ethnicty but the various groups (and individuals) are compared as for their general ancestry composition.

I agree that an IBD examination would be the right approach for determining more recent genealogical connections. BUT: I'm not sure that those results would please you more. The genealogical connections to Moldovans will lay very far back while you do share a common language with Croats. This is highly indicative of not too far back intermarriages and thus common IBD segments.

For avoiding an acute depression I'd stay away from any IBD segment examination! :p

[Dušan]

This Three-way model of Migration period clearly gives me pre-Slavic ancestry from both Roman Dalmatia and Roman Moesia provinces:



https://i.imgur.com/Kz21soP.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Roman_Empire_125_political_map.png

[Dušan]

An interesting idea (not kidding).

This forces to have some thoughts on what excatly is displayed by "distance". In fact, there is not determined ethnicty but the various groups (and individuals) are compared as for their general ancestry composition.

I agree that an IBD examination would be the right approach for determining more recent genealogical connections. BUT I'm not sure that those results would please you more. The genealogical connections to Moldovans will lay very far back while you do share a common language with Croats. This is highly indicative of not too far back intermarriages and thus common IBD segments.

For avoiding an acute depression I'd stay away from any IBD segment examination. :p

Its not my wish to IBD shows I am closer to Moldovan, when I am not.

The point is, by simple averages I was closer to both Moldovan and Serbs than to Croats, before this update.

By IBD sharing segments, I will be what I am - Serb, neither a Moldovan or Croat.

[Gallop]

My genetic distances to 50 populations, the American sample is White American Utah.

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgGtQyCBWIlwiwUQRts-7c3-BJvy79WfhcJdlucPwE3r3V39ref4EsXZ1feHIitxh-WFJrVmKuZwAsfC8IUajtWU_5vragWAiW0dJ_xb7zpcSNz7Dt8q C6Eh1PE4nWTv8ftHnyiBu7SrhNCkwVrFyOKW2Kv72vtQOAvxQk itM2ekti6DDHGplvaKGX0PyM/s685/2024-12-20%2012%2006%2053.jpg

My father's distances, among the 50 reaches, get German and Bosnian. I know this fuck in the Italian roots, but these are our Andalusian results and they have to swallow them.

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgbljIJ_Kz3UtMQn_Zegrf6ITiL3o2SN5d90Z1a_8tPFa ZFpGfXJ_L5eSBYYbke3gEnJABUSV2AovyAKEVh-OqzJcu1RLmOD9DN0ShHNhiJCUnFcG-HlmajVjI1_YGSzn4nb4EU2PYZf9hvCQGR0MKO0NFm3Mdk1rp33-w-KcGPINtutj9_LqAU3yLYRWc/s684/MapaGeneticdistancespapa-2024.JPEG

[Voskos]

Ancient DIY with fit 1.272

avatar
Balkans (AD 500–1000)
58.4%
avatar
Iberian (AD 300–1200)
21.8%
avatar
Levantine (AD 300–1300)
19.8%

[ScandinavianCelt]

Finally got my merged data Middle Ages and Late Antiquity results-- nothing shocking:

https://i.postimg.cc/Hxn3Sjmb/illdna-deepmodern-mrg-2way3way-lateantiquity.jpg (https://postimg.cc/G80ktLHp)

https://i.postimg.cc/xdttyMw0/illdna-deepmodern-mrg-2way3way-middleages.jpg (https://postimg.cc/mc1YTzZq)

[sacha]

About expected from IllustrativeDNA model
https://i.ibb.co/pJdvTgd/image.png

I'm happy they got more Levant samples since usually I have the same few
https://i.ibb.co/ZHp8m0n/Screenshot-from-2024-12-20-20-30-10.png

Rip Syrian average moved down

https://i.ibb.co/jTSvTCF/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/WspyDnd/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/SskYt5Q/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/qWggFM7/image.png


Nothing new here, though I feel as if I am getting ancient as time passes xd
https://i.ibb.co/DRg9yp6/image.png

0.4% Turkic barbarian, it has never been more over for me
https://i.ibb.co/x1CFhnx/image.png

[Dušan]

...

[Damião de Góis]

I ended up doing it. I'm still not sure what has changed, i think my PCA position remains exactly the same:

https://i.imgur.com/9L44MHe.png

[gixajo]

I ended up doing it. I'm still not sure what has changed, i think my PCA position remains exactly the same:

g]

gixajo & gixajo enana´s PCAs.

https://i.imgur.com/Wroj4T4.png

https://i.imgur.com/67bXd9x.png

[vader]

I ended up doing it. I'm still not sure what has changed, i think my PCA position remains exactly the same:

https://i.imgur.com/9L44MHe.png

I’m around the same but a tad more south shifted

[Voskos]

I prefer Wesolowski's G25 to Illustrative DNA's. It seems to pick up more detail.

[Vessna]

Two-way modern

https://i.imgur.com/qw8jenO.jpeg

[Geba]

Two-way

Baltic & Slavic.

[BoredBalkanMan]

Sorry for interrupting you Dusan, but do you want to explain some haplogroup stuff to me in this thread? https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?383437-How-Good-Is-YSEQ-Clade-Finder-in-Finding-the-Specific-Clade&p=8130317#post8130317
I know it's not a full scale test, but I wanted to hear your input nonetheless. Regards.

[Dušan]

Sorry for interrupting you Dusan, but do you want to explain some haplogroup stuff to me in this thread? https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?383437-How-Good-Is-YSEQ-Clade-Finder-in-Finding-the-Specific-Clade&p=8130317#post8130317
I know it's not a full scale test, but I wanted to hear your input nonetheless. Regards.

I am more into autosomal genetics, than into haplogroups. :)
About this haplogroup you can read more here: https://www.poreklo.rs/2022/02/16/stablo-haplogrupe-i1-p109/

[BoredBalkanMan]

I am more into autosomal genetics, than into haplogroups. :)
About this haplogroup you can read more here: https://www.poreklo.rs/2022/02/16/stablo-haplogrupe-i1-p109/

Alrighty then, thanks for the reply.

[Lux Tenebras]

https://i.imgur.com/chVLhDz.png

https://media.tenor.com/rfJzP_rnZkQAAAAM/denzel-washington-my-heart.gif


For me croat is not green at all
https://i.ibb.co/SxbvqkN/1.png

https://media.tenor.com/sttF8xY21_QAAAAM/goodfellas-henry-hill.gif

[tk'es]

hey, folks, do you get this notification "Caution: These results are subject to change" in HG & Farmer?

[Voskos]

hey, folks, do you get this notification "Caution: These results are subject to change" in HG & Farmer?

Yes I have it.

[Wend-Kruzek]

hey, folks, do you get this notification "Caution: These results are subject to change" in HG & Farmer?

when this changes. will change everything:D

[Gannicus]

I've heard that Illustrative developed their own PCA based system separate from G25. Is that true or just a rumor?

This is with the latest update from IllustrativeDNA:

Modern:

1 Welsh 1.959
2 English (Cornwall) 2.010
3 White American (Utah) 2.036
4 Scottish 2.123
5 English (Kent) 2.147
6 Dutch 2.197
7 Orcadian 2.215
8 Irish 2.430
9 Breton 2.450
10 French (Bourgogne-Franche-Comte) 2.486
11 German 2.561
12 Danish 2.704
13 French (Normandy) 2.850
14 French 2.892
15 French (Hauts-de-France) 2.912

Ancient:

Republic of Metz
2.103

Iron Age Briton
2.132

Gaul (Bohemia)
2.182

Medieval Gael (Roscommon)
2.264

West European Crusader (Sidon)
2.362

Medieval Breton (Quiberon)
2.396

Medieval Frisian (Groningen)
2.417

Gaul (Faux-Vesigneul)
2.418

Longobard (Pannonia)
2.500

Romano-Briton
2.526

Medieval Schleswig
2.562

North Rhine (Merovingian Period)
2.588

Pict
2.685

Baiuvarii
2.696

Hallstatt Culture
2.754


Model#1
Fit: 1.913

Iron Age Briton
93.15%

Archaic Greek (Kastrouli)
6.85%

Model#14
Fit: 1.880

Frisii
20.70%

Iron Age Briton
74.50%

Phoenician (Assyrian Period)
4.80%

[R1b-L51]

I ended up doing it. I'm still not sure what has changed, i think my PCA position remains exactly the same:

https://i.imgur.com/9L44MHe.png


gixajo & gixajo enana´s PCAs.

https://i.imgur.com/Wroj4T4.png

https://i.imgur.com/67bXd9x.png



Outside of Portugal but inside the Italy


https://i.postimg.cc/59PwCfpm/Screenshot-2025-01-01-at-23-54-36-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png (https://postimages.org/)

[R1b-L51]

Why such high CHG? I notice the increased amount of CHG is throwing off a lot of people's results, mine included. Mine are more Eastern European shifted now. I am not impressed for €27.
https://i.postimg.cc/BZ1YCm5C/Screenshot-20241214-075034-Chrome.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/65JHbCYx/Screenshot-20241214-075244-Chrome.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/qMs1Pg5h/Screenshot-20241214-075424-Chrome.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/x1gtdhY9/Screenshot-20241214-075535-Chrome.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/rwqfMcBh/Screenshot-20241214-075919-Chrome.jpg

Yes i'm too Caucasian too and magically i'm southamerican (really siberian)

https://i.postimg.cc/BvYK1gBn/Screenshot-2025-01-02-at-00-09-41-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png (https://postimg.cc/Tybwznsz)

https://i.postimg.cc/3RkDjvtC/Screenshot-2025-01-02-at-00-08-31-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Mopi The Dire Wolf]

Deep ancestry modern averages using new illustrative G25

Target: Mopi
Distance: 1.1234% / 0.01123401
44.0 Spanish_Cantabria
27.4 Danish
12.2 Basque_Spain
8.0 Dargin_Dagestan
3.2 Greek_Thessaly
3.2 Swedish
0.8 Cree
0.6 Georgian_Adjara
0.4 Ju_Hoansi_Namibia
0.2 Greenlander_East

Distance to: Mopi
0.01778358 French
0.02134858 French_Hauts-de-France
0.02158177 French_Grand_Est
0.02253352 French_Bourgogne-Franche-Comte
0.02393416 French_Provence
0.02615913 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03024588 Spanish_Catalonia
0.03120191 Italian_Friuli-Venezia_Giulia
0.03140678 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03162099 Austrian
0.03239388 French_Normandy
0.03311819 Dutch
0.03318821 Spanish_Balearic_Islands
0.03335293 English_Kent
0.03381563 White_American_Utah
0.03387636 French_Occitania
0.03428231 English_Cornwall
0.03428563 German
0.03446673 French_Nouvelle-Aquitaine
0.03448827 Italian_Trentino-Alto_Adige
0.03501912 Welsh
0.03504895 Spanish_Valencia
0.03629008 Scottish
0.03635643 Italian_Veneto
0.03662045 Spanish_Aragon

[Rafael Passoni]

https://i.imgur.com/YxuZCo5.png

[Wend-Kruzek]

Caution: These results are subject to change.....when????

European Hunter-Gatherer
43.6%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
33.0%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer
23.4%

today is 8/1/2025 and Illustrative have f.....d