Athalafuns
12-15-2024, 12:20 AM
I've done a little experiment here and I think it might be worth sharing. I encourage anyone to replicate it, although it may take you a while.
Starting from this G25 model based on the works of Carleton S. Coon (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?390410-Coon-in-genetic-practice), I analyzed the ancient individuals database selecting those that gave a result relatively similar to mine and ordered them chronologically. The goal was to observe at what point in history individuals with a racial composition similar to mine emerged, and the way in which they moved.
N.B. In this forum I have been classified mostly as a Nordo-Mediterranid. My cranial measurements correspond to the Atlantid type. It should also be said that my Med side shows Litorid influences. All this is important to tell preliminarily because it fits with my result in the aforementioned G25 model, and it should be the anthropological starting point from which to interpret this post.
Target: RNB27
Distance: 2.2722% / 0.02272214 | R3P
50.6 BellBeaker
45.2 Mediterranean_c
4.2 North_African_UP
Distance to: BellBeaker
0.04370318 Icelandic
0.04688562 Norwegian
Distance to: Mediterranean_c
0.04145636 Sardinian
0.08452341 French_Corsica
Distance to: North_African_UP
0.22299880 Berber_MAR_TIZ
0.23092946 Saharawi
Now, this is the series of ancient individuals that resemble my composition in some way. I will comment on it below.
Target: Romania_BA_1:I7152
Distance: 3.8598% / 0.03859806 | R3P
60.2 Mediterranean_b
22.8 BellBeaker
17.0 Borreby_like
Target: Czech_BellBeaker:I4891
Distance: 2.3352% / 0.02335152 | R3P
61.2 BellBeaker
29.6 Mediterranean_a
9.2 Alpine_France_UP
Target: Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK33.SG
Distance: 3.1750% / 0.03175012 | R3P
52.4 BellBeaker
41.0 Mediterranean_b
6.6 Alpine_France_UP
Target: Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK15.SG
Distance: 2.6896% / 0.02689596 | R3P
53.0 BellBeaker
39.6 Mediterranean_b
7.4 Alpine_France_UP
Target: Serbia_BA_Maros:I17913
Distance: 3.1224% / 0.03122428 | R3P
45.8 Mediterranean_b
40.2 BellBeaker
14.0 Russia_Andronovo.SG
Target: France_GrandEst_EBA.SG:BIS385.SG
Distance: 3.4253% / 0.03425339 | R3P
43.2 BellBeaker
40.2 Mediterranean_c
16.6 Ladogan
Target: Italy_Broion_EBA.SG:BRC010.SG
Distance: 3.3504% / 0.03350402 | R3P
38.4 Mediterranean_b
33.4 BellBeaker
28.2 Megalithic
Target: Greece_Logkas_MBA.SG:Log02.SG
Distance: 1.9756% / 0.01975596 | R3P
57.2 Mediterranean_a
31.6 BellBeaker
11.2 Hallstatt
Target: Germany_Lech_EBA:AITI_98
Distance: 2.1864% / 0.02186374 | R3P
50.6 BellBeaker
43.8 Mediterranean_c
5.6 Armenoid
Target: Netherlands_MBA:I26829
Distance: 2.5185% / 0.02518506 | R3P
48.8 Danish_Iron_Age
30.6 BellBeaker
20.6 Mediterranean_b
Target: Czech_MBA_Tumulus:I16111
Distance: 3.1426% / 0.03142645 | R3P
46.2 BellBeaker
31.8 Danish_Iron_Age
22.0 Mediterranean_b
Target: Croatia_MLBA:I18415
Distance: 2.5680% / 0.02568049 | R3P
49.8 BellBeaker
33.6 Mediterranean_b
16.6 Megalithic
Target: Croatia_MLBA:I18072
Distance: 2.6207% / 0.02620680 | R3P
42.4 BellBeaker
37.8 Mediterranean_b
19.8 Russia_Andronovo.SG
Target: Montenegro_MLBA:I13778
Distance: 3.1883% / 0.03188313 | R3P
47.4 Mediterranean_a
34.6 BellBeaker
18.0 Danish_Iron_Age
Target: Greece_BA_Mycenaean:I19368
Distance: 4.2276% / 0.04227637 | R3P
58.2 Mediterranean_a
29.6 BellBeaker
12.2 Armenoid
Target: Slovenia_EIA:I5691
Distance: 1.4998% / 0.01499831 | R3P
54.8 BellBeaker
27.0 Mediterranean_b
18.2 Megalithic
Target: Slovenia_EIA:I22937
Distance: 3.8281% / 0.03828121 | R3P
49.4 BellBeaker
37.4 Mediterranean_b
13.2 Russia_Andronovo.SG
Target: Slovenia_EIA:I22940
Distance: 2.9155% / 0.02915504 | R3P
38.4 BellBeaker
35.2 Mediterranean_b
26.4 Ilirian_Brachycephalic_IA
Target: Italy_IA_Republic.SG:R435.SG
Distance: 1.9874% / 0.01987429 | R3P
46.4 BellBeaker
40.0 Megalithic
13.6 Mediterranean_a
Target: Czech_IA_LaTene:I17314
Distance: 2.0152% / 0.02015191 | R3P
43.0 Mediterranean_c
38.6 BellBeaker
18.4 CordedWare_early
Target: France_GrandEst_IA2.SG:ERS88.SG
Distance: 3.7174% / 0.03717445 | R3P
53.8 BellBeaker
26.8 Mediterranean_a
19.4 Megalithic
Target: France_SouthEast_IA2:I19918
Distance: 2.3890% / 0.02389043 | R3P
54.6 BellBeaker
30.6 Megalithic
14.8 Mediterranean_b
Target: France_GrandEst_IA2.SG:ERS88.SG
Distance: 3.7174% / 0.03717445 | R3P
53.8 BellBeaker
26.8 Mediterranean_a
19.4 Megalithic
Target: Italy_Lazio_Viterbo_Etruscan:TAQ016
Distance: 2.6467% / 0.02646742 | R3P
46.4 BellBeaker
33.0 Mediterranean_b
20.6 Megalithic
Target: Slovakia_LIA_LaTene:I11713
Distance: 1.8908% / 0.01890823 | R3P
44.4 BellBeaker
35.0 Mediterranean_c
20.6 Swedish_Iron_Age
Target: Spain_Roman_oMixed:I10866
Distance: 2.3543% / 0.02354289 | R3P
51.2 BellBeaker
36.2 Mediterranean_c
12.6 North_African_UP
Target: Slovenia_Emona_Roman.SG:R10469.SG
Distance: 2.9543% / 0.02954349 | R3P
56.0 Mediterranean_a
32.4 BellBeaker
11.6 Solutrean
Target: Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG:R10506.SG
Distance: 2.4107% / 0.02410667 | R3P
47.0 Mediterranean_c
38.2 BellBeaker
14.8 North_African_UP
We observe that the anthropological roots of the racial type that I genetically embody began its journey among the eastern Bell Beaker factions, from present-day Romania to Central Europe, i.e. within the first R1b waves. One of these deviated towards the Northern Balkans and from there expanded in several directions: Greece (acquisition of the Litorid traits?), Northern Italy, Southern Germany. There was an attempt to penetrate among the Dutch Bell Beakers but it was not achieved. Instead, it was possible to find individuals of my kind throughout the Tumulus horizon in the Czech area. The largest concentration of this anthropological type continued to be around the Northern Balkans approaching the transition to the Iron Age, and we also find it among the Mycenaean people.
There were notably individuals of my kind among the Hallstatt Culture Slovenians, and also among those who then expanded towards Northern Italy (for second time) and SE/NE France.
This type was found again in Czechia and Slovakia during La Tène, and finally appeared in my land, Hispania, by the Imperial era, where it acquired some North African traces giving rise to a local sub-sub-typology of this Celtic-related, Atlantid anthropological faction.
Starting from this G25 model based on the works of Carleton S. Coon (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?390410-Coon-in-genetic-practice), I analyzed the ancient individuals database selecting those that gave a result relatively similar to mine and ordered them chronologically. The goal was to observe at what point in history individuals with a racial composition similar to mine emerged, and the way in which they moved.
N.B. In this forum I have been classified mostly as a Nordo-Mediterranid. My cranial measurements correspond to the Atlantid type. It should also be said that my Med side shows Litorid influences. All this is important to tell preliminarily because it fits with my result in the aforementioned G25 model, and it should be the anthropological starting point from which to interpret this post.
Target: RNB27
Distance: 2.2722% / 0.02272214 | R3P
50.6 BellBeaker
45.2 Mediterranean_c
4.2 North_African_UP
Distance to: BellBeaker
0.04370318 Icelandic
0.04688562 Norwegian
Distance to: Mediterranean_c
0.04145636 Sardinian
0.08452341 French_Corsica
Distance to: North_African_UP
0.22299880 Berber_MAR_TIZ
0.23092946 Saharawi
Now, this is the series of ancient individuals that resemble my composition in some way. I will comment on it below.
Target: Romania_BA_1:I7152
Distance: 3.8598% / 0.03859806 | R3P
60.2 Mediterranean_b
22.8 BellBeaker
17.0 Borreby_like
Target: Czech_BellBeaker:I4891
Distance: 2.3352% / 0.02335152 | R3P
61.2 BellBeaker
29.6 Mediterranean_a
9.2 Alpine_France_UP
Target: Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK33.SG
Distance: 3.1750% / 0.03175012 | R3P
52.4 BellBeaker
41.0 Mediterranean_b
6.6 Alpine_France_UP
Target: Serbia_Mokrin_EBA_Maros.SG:MOK15.SG
Distance: 2.6896% / 0.02689596 | R3P
53.0 BellBeaker
39.6 Mediterranean_b
7.4 Alpine_France_UP
Target: Serbia_BA_Maros:I17913
Distance: 3.1224% / 0.03122428 | R3P
45.8 Mediterranean_b
40.2 BellBeaker
14.0 Russia_Andronovo.SG
Target: France_GrandEst_EBA.SG:BIS385.SG
Distance: 3.4253% / 0.03425339 | R3P
43.2 BellBeaker
40.2 Mediterranean_c
16.6 Ladogan
Target: Italy_Broion_EBA.SG:BRC010.SG
Distance: 3.3504% / 0.03350402 | R3P
38.4 Mediterranean_b
33.4 BellBeaker
28.2 Megalithic
Target: Greece_Logkas_MBA.SG:Log02.SG
Distance: 1.9756% / 0.01975596 | R3P
57.2 Mediterranean_a
31.6 BellBeaker
11.2 Hallstatt
Target: Germany_Lech_EBA:AITI_98
Distance: 2.1864% / 0.02186374 | R3P
50.6 BellBeaker
43.8 Mediterranean_c
5.6 Armenoid
Target: Netherlands_MBA:I26829
Distance: 2.5185% / 0.02518506 | R3P
48.8 Danish_Iron_Age
30.6 BellBeaker
20.6 Mediterranean_b
Target: Czech_MBA_Tumulus:I16111
Distance: 3.1426% / 0.03142645 | R3P
46.2 BellBeaker
31.8 Danish_Iron_Age
22.0 Mediterranean_b
Target: Croatia_MLBA:I18415
Distance: 2.5680% / 0.02568049 | R3P
49.8 BellBeaker
33.6 Mediterranean_b
16.6 Megalithic
Target: Croatia_MLBA:I18072
Distance: 2.6207% / 0.02620680 | R3P
42.4 BellBeaker
37.8 Mediterranean_b
19.8 Russia_Andronovo.SG
Target: Montenegro_MLBA:I13778
Distance: 3.1883% / 0.03188313 | R3P
47.4 Mediterranean_a
34.6 BellBeaker
18.0 Danish_Iron_Age
Target: Greece_BA_Mycenaean:I19368
Distance: 4.2276% / 0.04227637 | R3P
58.2 Mediterranean_a
29.6 BellBeaker
12.2 Armenoid
Target: Slovenia_EIA:I5691
Distance: 1.4998% / 0.01499831 | R3P
54.8 BellBeaker
27.0 Mediterranean_b
18.2 Megalithic
Target: Slovenia_EIA:I22937
Distance: 3.8281% / 0.03828121 | R3P
49.4 BellBeaker
37.4 Mediterranean_b
13.2 Russia_Andronovo.SG
Target: Slovenia_EIA:I22940
Distance: 2.9155% / 0.02915504 | R3P
38.4 BellBeaker
35.2 Mediterranean_b
26.4 Ilirian_Brachycephalic_IA
Target: Italy_IA_Republic.SG:R435.SG
Distance: 1.9874% / 0.01987429 | R3P
46.4 BellBeaker
40.0 Megalithic
13.6 Mediterranean_a
Target: Czech_IA_LaTene:I17314
Distance: 2.0152% / 0.02015191 | R3P
43.0 Mediterranean_c
38.6 BellBeaker
18.4 CordedWare_early
Target: France_GrandEst_IA2.SG:ERS88.SG
Distance: 3.7174% / 0.03717445 | R3P
53.8 BellBeaker
26.8 Mediterranean_a
19.4 Megalithic
Target: France_SouthEast_IA2:I19918
Distance: 2.3890% / 0.02389043 | R3P
54.6 BellBeaker
30.6 Megalithic
14.8 Mediterranean_b
Target: France_GrandEst_IA2.SG:ERS88.SG
Distance: 3.7174% / 0.03717445 | R3P
53.8 BellBeaker
26.8 Mediterranean_a
19.4 Megalithic
Target: Italy_Lazio_Viterbo_Etruscan:TAQ016
Distance: 2.6467% / 0.02646742 | R3P
46.4 BellBeaker
33.0 Mediterranean_b
20.6 Megalithic
Target: Slovakia_LIA_LaTene:I11713
Distance: 1.8908% / 0.01890823 | R3P
44.4 BellBeaker
35.0 Mediterranean_c
20.6 Swedish_Iron_Age
Target: Spain_Roman_oMixed:I10866
Distance: 2.3543% / 0.02354289 | R3P
51.2 BellBeaker
36.2 Mediterranean_c
12.6 North_African_UP
Target: Slovenia_Emona_Roman.SG:R10469.SG
Distance: 2.9543% / 0.02954349 | R3P
56.0 Mediterranean_a
32.4 BellBeaker
11.6 Solutrean
Target: Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG:R10506.SG
Distance: 2.4107% / 0.02410667 | R3P
47.0 Mediterranean_c
38.2 BellBeaker
14.8 North_African_UP
We observe that the anthropological roots of the racial type that I genetically embody began its journey among the eastern Bell Beaker factions, from present-day Romania to Central Europe, i.e. within the first R1b waves. One of these deviated towards the Northern Balkans and from there expanded in several directions: Greece (acquisition of the Litorid traits?), Northern Italy, Southern Germany. There was an attempt to penetrate among the Dutch Bell Beakers but it was not achieved. Instead, it was possible to find individuals of my kind throughout the Tumulus horizon in the Czech area. The largest concentration of this anthropological type continued to be around the Northern Balkans approaching the transition to the Iron Age, and we also find it among the Mycenaean people.
There were notably individuals of my kind among the Hallstatt Culture Slovenians, and also among those who then expanded towards Northern Italy (for second time) and SE/NE France.
This type was found again in Czechia and Slovakia during La Tène, and finally appeared in my land, Hispania, by the Imperial era, where it acquired some North African traces giving rise to a local sub-sub-typology of this Celtic-related, Atlantid anthropological faction.