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ScandinavianCelt
12-21-2024, 03:34 PM
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Use UNscaled NEW DEEP MODERN UPDATED G25. This is NOT COMPATIBLE WITH OLD G25 UNSCALED OFFICIAL COORDINATES!


If you need to convert your scaled new updated coords: https://admixtr.streamlit.app/ (PASTE YOUR SCALED IN OPEN SPOT AFTER CLICKING ARROWS BUTTON ON TOP)

post whatever

My result:

Target: SC_Brad_Official_New.Merged_UNscaled
Distance: 1.6429% / 0.01642928 | ADC: 2x RC
54.4 Spanish_Catalonia
45.6 Slovakian

Target: SC_Brad_Official_New.Merged_UNscaled
Distance: 1.3574% / 0.01357361 | ADC: 0.5x RC
45.6 Polish
42.4 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
12.0 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon

Target: SC_Brad_Official_New.Merged_UNscaled
Distance: 1.3569% / 0.01356859
45.6 Polish
42.2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
7.2 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon
5.0 Spanish_Andalusia
EasternLusitanian
12-21-2024, 04:16 PM
Target: mv1_unscaled
Distance: 0.0152% / 0.01517711
54.3 Spanish_Extremadura
20.5 Spanish_Canary_Islands
20.1 Spanish_Cantabria
5.1 Spanish_Galicia

Target: mv1_unscaled
Distance: 0.0154% / 0.01540193 | ADC: 1x RC
100.0 Spanish_Extremadura

Distance to: mv1_unscaled
0.01540193 Spanish_Extremadura
0.01632577 Spanish_Murcia
0.01641352 Spanish_Andalusia
0.01654885 Spanish_Balearic_Islands
0.01668877 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha
0.01677587 Spanish_Galicia
0.01686212 Spanish_Catalonia
0.01719240 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01727289 Spanish_Valencia
0.01734146 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon
0.01804517 Spanish_Canary_Islands
0.01840360 Spanish_Aragon
0.02434126 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.03651597 Serb_Montenegro
0.03697746 Serb
0.03758900 Montenegrin
0.03916549 Serb_Bosnia
0.03920825 Serb_Croatia
0.03948190 Bosniak
0.04268149 Moldovan
0.04534042 Slovakian
0.05211238 Polish
cass
12-21-2024, 04:46 PM
With all due respect, you must have messed up the samples. Please check again.

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25download/
ScandinavianCelt
12-21-2024, 05:24 PM
With all due respect, you must have messed up the samples. Please check again.

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25download/

These are converted from the deep modern scaled new update to unscaled so they're not on that website
ScandinavianCelt
12-21-2024, 05:27 PM
With all due respect, you must have messed up the samples. Please check again.

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25download/

Did you convert your new scaled deep modern coordinates into unscaled?
Dušan
12-21-2024, 05:29 PM
Target: dušan
Distance: 1.0902% / 0.01090181
59.4 Serb_Montenegro
24.0 Serb_Bosnia
13.4 Polish
3.2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco


Target: dušan
Distance: 1.1140% / 0.01113996 | ADC: 1x RC
51.2 Serb_Montenegro
48.8 Serb_Bosnia



Distance to: dušan
0.01218096 Serb_Montenegro
0.01228586 Serb_Bosnia
0.01232527 Serb
0.01308305 Serb_Croatia
0.01363610 Bosniak
0.01472923 Montenegrin
0.01969819 Slovakian
0.02298655 Polish
0.03347587 Spanish_Balearic_Islands
0.03417786 Spanish_Galicia
0.03446853 Spanish_Catalonia
0.03465563 Spanish_Extremadura
0.03543886 Spanish_Murcia
0.03610283 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha
0.03633432 Spanish_Valencia
0.03651960 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03751180 Spanish_Andalusia
0.03780556 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon
0.03851557 Spanish_Aragon
0.03912182 Spanish_Canary_Islands
0.04497095 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
ScandinavianCelt
12-21-2024, 05:32 PM
With all due respect, you must have messed up the samples. Please check again.

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25download/

from this set I posted: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?390942-New-Illustrative-DNA-Deep-Modern-UNscaled-G25
ScandinavianCelt
12-21-2024, 05:34 PM
If you guys want to expand it to include Lithuanian/Belarusian and perhaps Croatian, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Romanian, Albanian, you could do that. Or some of the Turkish guys can add Turkish.
tk'es
12-21-2024, 05:35 PM
Target: tk'es
Distance: 5.8864% / 0.05886369
88.8 Moldovan
11.2 Spanish_Canary_Islands



Target: tk'es
Distance: 5.9057% / 0.05905748 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Moldovan






Distance to: tk'es
0.05905748 Moldovan
0.05985027 Serb
0.05995131 Bosniak
0.06024361 Serb_Bosnia
0.06044973 Serb_Montenegro
0.06077626 Montenegrin
0.06186379 Serb_Croatia
0.06256106 Slovakian
0.06398301 Polish
0.06789692 Spanish_Extremadura
0.06829414 Spanish_Balearic_Islands
0.06880419 Spanish_Murcia
0.06943192 Spanish_Galicia
0.06956067 Spanish_Andalusia
0.06986943 Spanish_Valencia
0.07004088 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha
0.07015397 Spanish_Canary_Islands
0.07029946 Spanish_Catalonia
0.07113614 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon
0.07150310 Spanish_Cantabria
0.07313751 Spanish_Aragon
0.07799788 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
cass
12-21-2024, 05:38 PM
https://i.ibb.co/YLpnT9L/Vahaduo-Global-25-North-Europe-PCA-66.png (https://ibb.co/z4G9Hc4)

It won't work with these samples imho
Gallop
12-21-2024, 05:39 PM
Target: Gallop
Distance: 1.2286% / 0.01228556
47.6 Spanish_Extremadura
26.6 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon
24.0 Spanish_Valencia
1.8 Polish

Target: Father
Distance: 1.0348% / 0.01034809
52.2 Spanish_Extremadura
25.8 Spanish_Galicia
12.4 Polish
8.0 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha
1.6 Serb_Montenegro

Target: brother
Distance: 1.3188% / 0.01318798
62.0 Spanish_Galicia
21.6 Spanish_Extremadura
16.4 Serb_Montenegro


Resultats d´andalusos complets, sensers i veritables.
ScandinavianCelt
12-21-2024, 05:42 PM
Try adding Tatar samples: Mine changes:

Target: SC_Brad_Official_New.Merged_UNscaled
Distance: 1.6429% / 0.01642928 | ADC: 2x RC
54.4 Spanish_Catalonia
45.6 Slovakian

Target: SC_Brad_Official_New.Merged_UNscaled
Distance: 1.4379% / 0.01437871 | ADC: 1x RC
54.8 Spanish_Catalonia
37.8 Tatar_Kryashen
7.4 Slovakian

Target: SC_Brad_Official_New.Merged_UNscaled
Distance: 1.1559% / 0.01155880 | ADC: 0.5x RC
47.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
39.0 Tatar_Kryashen
13.4 Slovakian

Target: SC_Brad_Official_New.Merged_UNscaled
Distance: 1.1362% / 0.01136178
49.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
35.8 Tatar_Kryashen
15.2 Polish



Crimean_Tatar_Steppe,-0.000345,-0.005465,0.00732,-0.00356,0.009869,0.003733,0.000598,-0.003418,-0.000643,-0.006022,-0.002017,-0.000161,-0.00095,-0.000313,0.003602,-0.000724,0.001154,0.002083,0.005402,0.001207,-0.00046,-0.003038,0.000589,-0.001919,-0.002884
Tatar_Kazan,-0.006247,-0.006639,0.010602,-0.000088,0.016433,-0.007875,-0.000539,-0.004963,-0.003604,0.003097,-0.003873,-0.000247,-0.003071,0.000229,0.009789,-0.001204,-0.003109,0.003537,-0.000587,-0.000566,0.003206,-0.000638,0.003054,0.002747,0.001723
Tatar_Kryashen,-0.008562,-0.006846,0.010726,-0.002142,0.01489,-0.011374,0.000574,-0.003868,-0.003178,0.003172,-0.003533,0.000147,-0.001841,0.000688,0.010742,-0.003305,-0.002153,0.002692,0.001215,-0.000603,-0.000095,0.000859,0.001941,0.005073,-0.002314
Tatar_Mishar,-0.008562,-0.006927,0.010697,-0.002046,0.014191,-0.011879,-0.000194,-0.005067,-0.003056,0.001014,-0.003213,-0.000774,-0.001324,-0.000976,0.0087,-0.003438,-0.003154,0.003106,0.004881,-0.001124,0.000124,-0.00084,0.002405,0.002322,-0.002532
Tatar_Siberian,0.006578,-0.005384,0.011406,0.00535,0.023782,0.005435,-0.000801,-0.004716,-0.004209,0.004988,-0.002658,-0.001435,-0.004023,-0.000588,0.006631,0.002709,-0.002266,0.001098,-0.001095,-0.000978,0.006872,0.000141,0.005712,0.003712,0.005 048
Tatar_Siberian_Baraba,0.011738,-0.004861,0.012088,0.002897,0.028647,0.007728,0.000 144,-0.003778,-0.001237,0.006306,-0.001878,-0.00409,-0.006486,0.00169,0.002161,0.000803,0.000796,0.0025 48,-0.000096,-0.001334,0.005567,-0.004486,0.005059,-0.001707,0.002787
Tatar_Siberian_Tom,0.005731,-0.00489,0.010653,0,0.021043,0.002053,0.000323,-0.003677,-0.004402,0.001277,-0.001377,0.00066,-0.007451,-0.006712,0.007141,-0.003825,0.001731,0.002212,0.004315,0.004812,-0.001427,0.000525,0.014032,0.00561,-0.001271
Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye,0.008424,-0.005684,0.014454,0.011025,0.035159,0.003897,0.000 259,-0.0073,-0.007539,0.018708,-0.00424,-0.00088,-0.006627,-0.001464,0.006915,0.00867,-0.001198,0.002039,-0.011834,-0.001601,0.013266,0.000649,0.011302,0.008156,0.009 876


now:

Distance to: SC_Brad_Official_New.Merged_UNscaled
0.02404982 Spanish_Catalonia
0.02424641 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02440522 Spanish_Balearic_Islands
0.02535411 Spanish_Valencia
0.02548665 Spanish_Cantabria
0.02583366 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon
0.02627536 Spanish_Aragon
0.02635333 Spanish_Galicia
0.02644901 Spanish_Andalusia
0.02663438 Slovakian
0.02668653 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha
0.02688889 Spanish_Murcia
0.02772598 Bosniak
0.02791568 Serb_Bosnia
0.02887699 Serb
0.02891973 Tatar_Mishar
0.02895046 Tatar_Kryashen
0.02911967 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.02990986 Spanish_Canary_Islands
0.03007735 Serb_Montenegro
0.03013969 Moldovan
0.03051699 Serb_Croatia
0.03086345 Montenegrin
0.03154599 Tatar_Kazan
0.03191643 Polish
0.03532551 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
0.04597166 Tatar_Siberian
0.04676671 Tatar_Siberian_Tom
0.05161140 Tatar_Siberian_Baraba
0.06167118 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
ScandinavianCelt
12-21-2024, 05:46 PM
https://i.ibb.co/YLpnT9L/Vahaduo-Global-25-North-Europe-PCA-66.png (https://ibb.co/z4G9Hc4)

It won't work with these samples imho

The old PCA charts don't work with the new coordinates. Try to plot your scaled coordinates from the illustrative DNA site that they gave you in that same map
ScandinavianCelt
12-21-2024, 05:53 PM
https://i.ibb.co/YLpnT9L/Vahaduo-Global-25-North-Europe-PCA-66.png (https://ibb.co/z4G9Hc4)

It won't work with these samples imho


Look how the NEW DEEP MODERN official SCALED plot in the old North Euro map:


https://i.postimg.cc/wTLtXNKG/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2024-12-21-T135126-827.png (https://postimages.org/)


As you can see, they are not compatible with those PCA charts until they update those! (when will they??)
celticdragongod
12-21-2024, 05:56 PM
Distance to: CDG
0.05620537 Bosniak
0.05625000 Moldovan
0.05718374 Serb_Bosnia
0.05730459 Serb
0.05743261 Slovakian
0.05809138 Serb_Montenegro
0.05835356 Montenegrin
0.05857254 Serb_Croatia
0.05883353 Polish
0.06373033 Spanish_Extremadura
0.06387111 Spanish_Galicia
0.06454361 Spanish_Balearic_Islands
0.06473236 Spanish_Murcia
0.06572945 Spanish_Canary_Islands
0.06625381 Spanish_Catalonia
0.06626534 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha
0.06636789 Spanish_Valencia
0.06644612 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon
0.06655831 Spanish_Andalusia
0.06680182 Spanish_Cantabria
0.06894915 Spanish_Aragon
0.07342406 Spanish_Pais_Vasco

Target: CDG
Distance: 5.5596% / 0.05559556
59.8 Moldovan
21.4 Spanish_Canary_Islands
18.8 Polish
ScandinavianCelt
12-21-2024, 05:57 PM
https://i.ibb.co/YLpnT9L/Vahaduo-Global-25-North-Europe-PCA-66.png (https://ibb.co/z4G9Hc4)

It won't work with these samples imho

https://i.postimg.cc/pr76R7Vq/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2024-12-21-T135650-370.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/j2gL5HB8/Vahaduo-Global-25-Views-2024-12-21-T135810-076.png (https://postimages.org/)
ScandinavianCelt
12-21-2024, 06:01 PM
Distance to: CDG
0.05620537 Bosniak
0.05625000 Moldovan
0.05718374 Serb_Bosnia
0.05730459 Serb
0.05743261 Slovakian
0.05809138 Serb_Montenegro
0.05835356 Montenegrin
0.05857254 Serb_Croatia
0.05883353 Polish
0.06373033 Spanish_Extremadura
0.06387111 Spanish_Galicia
0.06454361 Spanish_Balearic_Islands
0.06473236 Spanish_Murcia
0.06572945 Spanish_Canary_Islands
0.06625381 Spanish_Catalonia
0.06626534 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha
0.06636789 Spanish_Valencia
0.06644612 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon
0.06655831 Spanish_Andalusia
0.06680182 Spanish_Cantabria
0.06894915 Spanish_Aragon
0.07342406 Spanish_Pais_Vasco

Target: CDG
Distance: 5.5596% / 0.05559556
59.8 Moldovan
21.4 Spanish_Canary_Islands
18.8 Polish

this is what you get with unscaled version of your new deep modern coordinates?
ScandinavianCelt
12-21-2024, 06:04 PM
Target: mv1_unscaled
Distance: 0.0152% / 0.01517711
54.3 Spanish_Extremadura
20.5 Spanish_Canary_Islands
20.1 Spanish_Cantabria
5.1 Spanish_Galicia



Is this what you expected?
Eurafricanid
12-21-2024, 06:05 PM
Target: Eurafricanid-EU_unscaled
Distance: 4.6235% / 0.04623538
48.8 Slovakian
28.6 Spanish_Canary_Islands
22.6 Moldovan
ScandinavianCelt
12-21-2024, 06:11 PM
Target: Eurafricanid-EU_unscaled
Distance: 4.6235% / 0.04623538
48.8 Slovakian
28.6 Spanish_Canary_Islands
22.6 Moldovan

I'm shocked such high distance if you are using new deep modern unscaled G25 for yourself.
Eurafricanid
12-21-2024, 06:18 PM
I'm shocked such high distance if you are using new deep modern unscaled G25 for yourself.

What is "new deep modern unscaled G25"?
ScandinavianCelt
12-21-2024, 06:41 PM
What is "new deep modern unscaled G25"?

IllustrativeDNA's new updated coordinates turned into unscaled.
Eurafricanid
12-21-2024, 07:18 PM
IllustrativeDNA's new updated coordinates turned into unscaled.

Oh, so the Deep Ancestry coordinates, I don't have the EU version for that.
Eurafricanid
12-21-2024, 07:26 PM
IllustrativeDNA's new updated coordinates turned into unscaled.

This is it:

Target: Eurafricanid-ILLUSTRATIVE_unscaled
Distance: 1.0360% / 0.01035979
46.2 SSA
34.2 Spanish_Aragon
16.8 Spanish_Balearic_Islands
2.8 Amerindian

They're not bonkers, turns out I hadn't unscaled the SSA and Amerindian coordinates, but the normal is still very close for a mulatto.

Target: Eurafricanid-ILLUSTRATIVE_unscaled
Distance: 4.4478% / 0.04447770
39.6 Spanish_Extremadura
27.0 Moldovan
23.8 Spanish_Galicia
9.6 Spanish_Canary_Islands
gixajo
12-21-2024, 07:45 PM
Target: gixajo_unscaled
Distance: 1.4326% / 0.01432611
94.0 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon
3.4 Polish
2.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco


Target: gixajo_unscaled
Distance: 1.4418% / 0.01441764 | ADC: 1x RC
100.0 Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon
EasternLusitanian
12-21-2024, 09:29 PM
Is this what you expected?

I would expect to be a bit more northern shifted based on my ancestry, but im probably a southern shifted western andalusian genetically
ScandinavianCelt
12-23-2024, 10:13 PM
I would expect to be a bit more northern shifted based on my ancestry, but im probably a southern shifted western andalusian genetically

I read a couple years ago that the Spanish genetics gradient of change is not north to south primarily but east to west or west to east so it would vary from your countrymen depending on your plot along those lines so maybe you should design a good test for east to west for all the Spanish people here?
EasternLusitanian
12-23-2024, 11:14 PM
I read a couple years ago that the Spanish genetics gradient of change is not north to south primarily but east to west or west to east so it would vary from your countrymen depending on your plot along those lines so maybe you should design a good test for east to west for all the Spanish people here?

Yeah, i already knew about the gradient, but seeing my results as a mix of extremadura and the canaries, both of which have higher north african on average than andalusia, makes me think im more berber shifted than usual
Also i dont feel like im knowledgeable enough to make a g25 model, i leave that task to the members of the forum who have more experience and know better than me