Post new HG & Farmer IllustrativeDNA updated result

[ScandinavianCelt]

What's your HG total? I score 64.6% HG overall. Are the Russians ahead on this? Then Poles and other Slavs?

Post image if you can, just HG & Farmer summary, like mine here:

https://i.postimg.cc/5tcVttxM/new-hg-res-mrg.jpg (https://postimg.cc/cvcj90gD)

[ScandinavianCelt]

@cass -- I think I discovered why I get somewhat higher CHG than other northerners. It's a dirty little secret though. Can you guess?

[tk'es]

recent old version

https://i.ibb.co/PrNpc4P/hg-farmer-ancestry.png



recent new version

https://i.ibb.co/hKf5gHJ/new.png



not that significant change

[Vessna]

What's your HG total? I score 64.6% HG overall. Are the Russians ahead on this? Then Poles and other Slavs?

Post image if you can, just HG & Farmer summary, like mine here

https://i.imgur.com/N4yLOxg.jpeg

[Mopi The Dire Wolf]

https://i.imgur.com/u4OoaCu.jpg

[Eurafricanid]

https://i.imgur.com/l0StQXW.jpg

[Vessna]

What's your HG total? I score 64.6% HG overall. Are the Russians ahead on this? Then Poles and other Slavs?

Post image if you can, just HG & Farmer summary, like mine here

Russian

https://i.imgur.com/hwInvjO.jpeg

[Vessna]

@cass -- I think I discovered why I get somewhat higher CHG than other northerners. It's a dirty little secret though. Can you guess?

Your CHG is not significantly higher than other northerners.

https://i.imgur.com/L7YOr4Q.jpeg

[Geba]

https://i.ibb.co/52FpB1X/182520.png

[Kostek]

Me:
European Hunter-Gatherer
47.8%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
29.8%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer :confused:
22.4%

Total HG: 70,2%

Grandfather:
European Hunter-Gatherer
44.8%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
30.2%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer
25.0%

Total HG: 69,8%

He scores pretty high in CHG, compared to Ukranians from Lviv which have 21,2%

[ScandinavianCelt]

Russian

https://i.imgur.com/hwInvjO.jpeg

Thanks. 77.6%!

[ScandinavianCelt]

https://i.ibb.co/52FpB1X/182520.png

I'm a bit surprised I'm 2% less farmer than you are but maybe that's because a lot of my genetics are basically just north of you and somewhat east of you to some percentage Northeast from Finland and Russia but I'm surprised I thought you would beat me for hunter-gatherer

[ScandinavianCelt]

Me:
European Hunter-Gatherer
47.8%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
29.8%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer :confused:
22.4%

Total HG: 70,2%

Grandfather:
European Hunter-Gatherer
44.8%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
30.2%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer
25.0%

Total HG: 69,8%

He scores pretty high in CHG, compared to Ukranians from Lviv which have 21,2%

I'm guessing this is a result of being very Baltic? I'm curious what you get and others get for Baltic on the Eurogene's K13? I just looked it up and I got 25.82% Baltic.

[Vessna]

Thanks. 77.6%!

Yea, he beats me with his Siberian and Mongolian.

[Vessna]

I'm guessing this is a result of being very Baltic? I'm curious what you get and others get for Baltic on the Eurogene's K13? I think I get 22.?something

If this was the case, my CHG would have been high.

[Kostek]

I'm guessing this is a result of being very Baltic? I'm curious what you get and others get for Baltic on the Eurogene's K13? I just looked it up and I got 25.82% Baltic.

Not sure, but Gleb Svyatoslavich has a very similar score to him.

Also on most calculators, my grandpa scores like 5-10% Iranic/Caucasian.

[ScandinavianCelt]

Your CHG is not significantly higher than other northerners.

https://i.imgur.com/L7YOr4Q.jpeg

Well I'm only half Swedish really and maybe a little bit from my dad as well but I think it's more Danish Norwegian from him mixing in with the Irish genetics but yeah thank you for posting that I'm glad to see that because it looks a little bit more normal for Swedish but I'm not 100% Swedish so you would think I'd have maybe somewhere between Sweden and Ireland can you post the one for Finland because I think I'm like 17% from Southeast and East Finland

[ScandinavianCelt]

Not sure, but Gleb Svyatoslavich has a very similar score to him.

Also on most calculators, my grandpa scores like 5-10% Iranic/Caucasian.

According to the spreadsheet I plot right between the North Dutch (26.44) and Selkup (25.06) for my Baltic score on the k13. The Polish score is 45.49% I guess just the average.

[Vessna]

Well I'm only half Swedish really and maybe a little bit from my dad as well but I think it's more Danish Norwegian from him mixing in with the Irish genetics but yeah thank you for posting that I'm glad to see that because it looks a little bit more normal for Swedish but I'm not 100% Swedish so you would think I'd have maybe somewhere between Sweden and Ireland can you post the one for Finland because I think I'm like 17% from Southeast and East Finland

Finns have a genetic profile similar to Northern Russians (the one I posted).

https://i.imgur.com/jBtIruH.jpeg

[ScandinavianCelt]

Yea, he beats me with his Siberian and Mongolian.

This is apparently where most of my most recent Russian comes from:

https://i.postimg.cc/T14sgtM7/pinezhsky-hg.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

But strangely I'm not showing any Siberian on this IllustrativeDNA update. I wonder if it showed up pre-update? I'd have to see if I have record of it.

Does anyone have a G25 model to match this new update calc? I'm currently plotting just .8% more than Dutch for overall HG. Rather surprisingly though I'm not showing anything of the East Siberian HG, which makes me think the Pinezhsky result could be a proxy for something else...and most likely is. I'm going to find out, because if I were truly Pinezhsky, it should be giving me something of Siberian, even if small amounts.

[vader]

Mine:
https://i.imgur.com/EQWfHUh.jpeg

Wife:
https://i.imgur.com/4IvG0DL.jpeg

[Vessna]

This is apparently where most of my most recent Russian comes from:

https://i.postimg.cc/T14sgtM7/pinezhsky-hg.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

But strangely I'm not showing any Siberian on this IllustrativeDNA update. I wonder if it showed up pre-update? I'd have to see if I have record of it.

Does anyone have a G25 model to match this new update calc? I'm currently plotting just .8% more than Dutch for overall HG. Rather surprisingly though I'm not showing anything of the East Siberian HG, which makes me think the Pinezhsky result could be a proxy for something else...and most likely is. I'm going to find out, because if I were truly Pinezhsky, it should be giving me something of Siberian, even if small amounts.

How recent is your Russian/Finn ancestry? I am quarter Russian, I get about 1% Siberian on various calcs; it also shows up on 23andMe like 0.1% or something. I get Saami on illustrative.

[Feiichy]

"Caution: These results are subject to change"

does this mean my results didn't update yet?

[Feiichy]

Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
40.0%

European Hunter-Gatherer
38.4%

Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer
21.6%

I am a real middle European, too northern for southerners, too southern for northerners. :)

[~Elizabeth~]

63.8% Hunter-Gatherer


https://i.postimg.cc/W4Bn6GTL/Hunter-Gatherer.png


My ancestry is 62.5% British (English, Scottish, & Welsh), 25% Czechoslovakian, and 12.5% Belgian, Dutch, French, & German.

[Dušan]

https://i.imgur.com/MQEYiJq.png

[ScandinavianCelt]

Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
40.0%

European Hunter-Gatherer
38.4%

Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer
21.6%

I am a real middle European, too northern for southerners, too southern for northerners. :)

And too eastern for westerners! lol

I think they prob updated it. Mine says same as yours.

[ScandinavianCelt]

63.8% Hunter-Gatherer


https://i.postimg.cc/W4Bn6GTL/Hunter-Gatherer.png


My ancestry is 62.5% British (English, Scottish, & Welsh), 25% Czechoslovakian, and 12.5% Belgian, Dutch, French, & German.

So we are close in our 3/4 NW, 1/4 EC/E. Makes sense we are within 1% of each other for HG. Oda should be close to me/us also.

[ScandinavianCelt]

How recent is your Russian/Finn ancestry? I am quarter Russian, I get about 1% Siberian on various calcs; it also shows up on 23andMe like 0.1% or something. I get Saami on illustrative.

I'm not entirely sure as I have not been able to fill in my Swedish family tree very well. I have some but lots of gaps. My x-chromosome matches on Gedmatch closest to me are from Finland, so prob not so far back. Seems half my family is from Gotland and the other more north central and some more recently upon emigrating came from western side near Gothenburg.

I'm showing East Slavic 12.6% on the modern DIY model with all samples in on ILLDNA new update. That's basically 1/8, or one great-grandparent. It makes me wonder if my Mom's dad from Gotland had his father's lines coming from Russia, because his mother's line go back north in Sweden and even to Iceland. My family claims I look like him, esp when he was younger (blond, blue eyes, similar height, etc.). I'm guessing he was Mordvin coming through Finland or Estonia. My close American friend-- he's half Czech, half Greek-- tells me he can see I look Siberian. He also thinks I look Romanian. Not much of those looks around here though. I think there are only a little more than a million Swedish immigrants in the USA in total today. IE, not much to compare to. I live in the most Irish state in the USA though!

They give me another 8.6% Bosniak-Balkans_Slav also. I imagine they have some Russian roots. I get only 2% West Slavic (Slovakian) and 1% Finnish_East.

[Geba]

I'm a bit surprised I'm 2% less farmer than you are but maybe that's because a lot of my genetics are basically just north of you and somewhat east of you to some percentage Northeast from Finland and Russia but I'm surprised I thought you would beat me for hunter-gatherer

My result is somehow closest to Transcarpathian Ukrainians on average. I tend to score pretty high farmer on other calculators as well. 41% Neolithic farmer on FTDNA. Interestingly, I am also pretty anti-CHG. Normally, more northern populations have low CHG and me too.

[Demirkazık]

Russian

https://i.imgur.com/hwInvjO.jpeg

Damn, your husband is one of us!

[Vessna]

Damn, your husband is one of us!

Not even close :P

https://i.imgur.com/MwGJ7S8.jpeg

[Demirkazık]

Not even close :P


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RqjgJwsEMo&list=RDGMEMCMFH2exzjBeE_zAHHJOdxg&index=22

[Fistora]

European Hunter-Gatherer
47.0%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
34.6%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer
17.6%
Zagros Neolithic Farmer
0.8%

[Vessna]

European Hunter-Gatherer
47.0%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
34.6%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer
17.6%
Zagros Neolithic Farmer
0.8%

Jewish ancestry?

[Fistora]

Honestly, i dont know if i have any known jewish ancestry

[Fistora]

https://ibb.co/BskJqpG

i guess it is some asian influence

[ScandinavianCelt]

What's your HG total? I score 64.6% HG overall. Are the Russians ahead on this? Then Poles and other Slavs?

Post image if you can, just HG & Farmer summary, like mine here:

https://i.postimg.cc/5tcVttxM/new-hg-res-mrg.jpg (https://postimg.cc/cvcj90gD)

Just for the record I currently show 17 ancient native American matches in the Americas so I don't think .2% is accurate I think they lack some samples they should be using for people maybe that don't have the most generic types of Native American when those people are from Europe but I don't know because most calculators are going to show more than .2% for me especially if they're done correctly

[Vessna]

https://ibb.co/BskJqpG

i guess it is some asian influence

Zagros region is Iran, Iraq and Turkey. Polish Ashkenazi have Zagros (along with Natufian). I am just wondering where it would come from in a Pole.

[hazmatnik]

https://i.postimg.cc/2SLJcVtB/Screenshot-20241228-162643-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/PCh2NrTt)

[Demirkazık]

Zagros region is Iran, Iraq and Turkey. Polish Ashkenazi have Zagros (along with Natufian). I am just wondering where it would come from in a Pole.

Regionally, the Zagros is located only in Iran and Iraq, not Turkey. There is also Zagros input in the original Proto-Indo-Europeans, and it comes from that. Even Finns have around 4% of this ancestry, with slightly higher percentages found in Lithuanians and Latvians. It could also be a misread CHG, we are talking about a tool that is based on a PCA here.

[Vessna]

Regionally, the Zagros is located only in Iran and Iraq, not Turkey. There is also Zagros input in the original Proto-Indo-Europeans, and it comes from that. Even Finns have around 4% of this ancestry, with slightly higher percentages found in Lithuanians and Latvians. It could also be a misread CHG, we are talking about a tool that is based on a PCA here.

Can you cite your sources? I’ve never seen a Balt or a Finn get Zagros. East Siberian HG, Yellow River Neolithic farmer - sure, but not Zagros.

[Geba]

Can you cite your sources? I’ve never seen a Balt or a Finn get Zagros. East Siberian HG, Yellow River Neolithic farmer - sure, but not Zagros.

Ukrainians have it. Ukrainian Kirovohrad on Illustrative DNA has little Zagros.

[Vessna]

Ukrainians have it. Ukrainian Kirovohrad on Illustrative DNA has little Zagros.

I’ve seen Zagros in Southern populations, I assume from Neolithic farmers, but not in northern populations like Finns or Balts.

[cass]

@cass -- I think I discovered why I get somewhat higher CHG than other northerners. It's a dirty little secret though. Can you guess?

Kardashians 8th cousin
https://media1.tenor.com/m/6H2I8ql0ZpYAAAAd/ape-monkey.gif


European Hunter-Gatherer
47.0%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
33.2%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer
19.8%

[Rafael Passoni]

https://i.imgur.com/yugZs1h.jpg

[EasternLusitanian]

https://i.imgur.com/KCWRcFo.png

They reduced a lot of my iberomauruisan and im just an average spaniard now

[Demirkazık]

Can you cite your sources? I’ve never seen a Balt or a Finn get Zagros. East Siberian HG, Yellow River Neolithic farmer - sure, but not Zagros.

You won't see it on G25.


I’ve seen Zagros in Southern populations, I assume from Neolithic farmers, but not in northern populations like Finns or Balts.

Every European population has varying degrees of Iran Neolithic Farmer mixture, whether Scottish, Latvian, German, Italian, Greek, Finnish, Swedish, Udmurt, Russian, etc. Some have higher amounts, while others have lower. The Corded Ware Culture had about ~10% of this ancestry based on qpAdm modeling. Yamnaya had about ~5%.

Here is my modeling of Russians, for example:

https://i.ibb.co/QPP0zqv/rstudio-TAQ7-EVs16-B.png

Most Northerners have around 4–6% INF, with levels increasing alongside Steppe and Southern ancestry, while only the Saami have 0%. Cretans have approximately 15% INF.

[Dick]

https://i.imgur.com/qDaTrQ1.jpeg

[ScandinavianCelt]

https://i.imgur.com/yugZs1h.jpg

I hope you own a farm?

[djipon]

https://i.postimg.cc/pLC1CyFG/image.png

[Vessna]

You won't see it on G25.



Every European population has varying degrees of Iran Neolithic Farmer mixture, whether Scottish, Latvian, German, Italian, Greek, Finnish, Swedish, Udmurt, Russian, etc. Some have higher amounts, while others have lower. The Corded Ware Culture had about ~10% of this ancestry based on qpAdm modeling. Yamnaya had about ~5%.

Here is my modeling of Russians, for example:

https://i.ibb.co/QPP0zqv/rstudio-TAQ7-EVs16-B.png

Most Northerners have around 4–6% INF, with levels increasing alongside Steppe and Southern ancestry, while only the Saami have 0%. Cretans have approximately 15% INF.

Insignificant, might as well be lumped with ANF ancestry. I doubt it’s 4-5%, if that was the case it would have showed up on G25 or commercial tests like 23andMe similar to Siberian and East Asian.

[ScandinavianCelt]

What's your HG total? I score 64.6% HG overall. Are the Russians ahead on this? Then Poles and other Slavs?

Post image if you can, just HG & Farmer summary, like mine here:

https://i.postimg.cc/5tcVttxM/new-hg-res-mrg.jpg (https://postimg.cc/cvcj90gD)


https://i.imgur.com/N4yLOxg.jpeg

Have you found an exact match for Farmer %? I match Czech exactly for farmer % and exactly HG % overall:

https://i.postimg.cc/JhnVKLFY/czech-hg.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I'm .2% off overall Scottish as well.

[Vessna]

Have you found an exact match for Farmer %? I match Czech exactly for farmer % and exactly HG % overall:

https://i.postimg.cc/JhnVKLFY/czech-hg.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I'm .2% off overall Scottish as well.

No, I do not have an exact match. I have less Farmer % than a Belarusian and a Western Russian, but more than a Lithuanian and a Northern Russian. Overall my numbers are close to Belarusian.

Belarusian:
European Hunter-Gatherer :51.0%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer :28.0%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer :21.0%

Russian (Smolensk):
European Hunter-Gatherer :50.2%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer :28.2%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer :21.6%

Lithuanian (South Aukstaitija)
European Hunter-Gatherer :53.0%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer :25.6%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer :21.4%

Russian (Krasnoborsky):
European Hunter-Gatherer :50.2%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer :23.0%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer :19.4%
East Siberian Hunter-Gatherer :7.4%

[ScandinavianCelt]

What's your HG total? I score 64.6% HG overall. Are the Russians ahead on this? Then Poles and other Slavs?

Post image if you can, just HG & Farmer summary, like mine here:

https://i.postimg.cc/5tcVttxM/new-hg-res-mrg.jpg (https://postimg.cc/cvcj90gD)


No, I do not have an exact match. I have less Farmer % than a Belarusian and a Western Russian, but more than a Lithuanian and a Northern Russian. Overall my numbers are close to Belarusian.

Belarusian:
European Hunter-Gatherer :51.0%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer :28.0%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer :21.0%

Russian (Smolensk):
European Hunter-Gatherer :50.2%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer :28.2%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer :21.6%

Lithuanian (South Aukstaitija)
European Hunter-Gatherer :53.0%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer :25.6%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer :21.4%

Russian (Krasnoborsky):
European Hunter-Gatherer :50.2%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer :23.0%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer :19.4%
East Siberian Hunter-Gatherer :7.4%

Thanks. At least we can see it is accurate in your case. I'm a bit surprised I match Czech on this for Farmer and not one of the northern nations.

[R1b-L51]

@cass -- I think I discovered why I get somewhat higher CHG than other northerners. It's a dirty little secret though. Can you guess?

Yes

https://i.postimg.cc/BvYK1gBn/Screenshot-2025-01-02-at-00-09-41-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png (https://postimg.cc/Tybwznsz)

https://i.postimg.cc/3RkDjvtC/Screenshot-2025-01-02-at-00-08-31-ILLUSTRATIVE-DNA.png (https://postimages.org/)