Are the Irish genetically closer to the French or Danes?

[Watersater79]

Despite the Germanic component, it appears that, a lot of the time, when taking into account the results from Gedmatch kits, that Irish people are often twice as close to more Germanic populations than true 'Celtic' peoples like the French.

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: Irish
Distance: 1.2098% / 0.01209805
51.8 Danish
48.2 French_Brittany

Target: Irish
Distance: 1.2098% / 0.01209805 | ADC: 2x RC
51.8 Danish
48.2 French_Brittany

Distance to: Irish
0.01669447 Danish
0.01733292 French_Brittany
0.03516551 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03555387 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03642888 French_Nord
0.03924304 French_Paris
0.04038343 French_Alsace
0.05116948 French_Occitanie
0.05580319 French_Auvergne
0.05818544 Swiss_French
0.06354053 French_Provence
0.07017020 French_Chalosse
0.07130229 French_South
0.07286511 French_Bearn
0.07384027 French_Bigorre
0.07432354 Basque_French
0.10493513 French_Corsica

with a few more

Distance to: Irish
0.01256640 Welsh
0.01418651 English_Cornwall
0.01572606 Dutch
0.01669447 Danish
0.01733292 French_Brittany
0.02745445 BelgianA
0.03031385 German_Hamburg
0.03343742 BelgianB
0.03516551 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03555387 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03642888 French_Nord
0.03832717 BelgianC
0.03924304 French_Paris
0.04038343 French_Alsace
0.05116948 French_Occitanie
0.05580319 French_Auvergne
0.05818544 Swiss_French
0.06354053 French_Provence
0.07017020 French_Chalosse
0.07130229 French_South
0.07286511 French_Bearn
0.07384027 French_Bigorre
0.07432354 Basque_French
0.10493513 French_Corsica

Target: Irish
Distance: 1.1633% / 0.01163338
44.8 Welsh
31.6 Danish
15.4 English_Cornwall
8.2 French_Brittany


Target: Irish
Distance: 1.2566% / 0.01256640 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Welsh

[Watersater79]

Target: Irish
Distance: 1.2098% / 0.01209805
51.8 Danish
48.2 French_Brittany

Target: Irish
Distance: 1.2098% / 0.01209805 | ADC: 2x RC
51.8 Danish
48.2 French_Brittany

Distance to: Irish
0.01669447 Danish
0.01733292 French_Brittany
0.03516551 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03555387 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03642888 French_Nord
0.03924304 French_Paris
0.04038343 French_Alsace
0.05116948 French_Occitanie
0.05580319 French_Auvergne
0.05818544 Swiss_French
0.06354053 French_Provence
0.07017020 French_Chalosse
0.07130229 French_South
0.07286511 French_Bearn
0.07384027 French_Bigorre
0.07432354 Basque_French
0.10493513 French_Corsica

By this metric, the Irish are twice as close to the Northern French than the Danes. How can this be? I guess the Romans really did do a genetic job on most of the populace of France under their rule, giving them quite the southern shift!

[Asega]

Danes. Irish and Danes descend from a common genepool. French are further removed from that.

[ScandinavianCelt]

By this metric, the Irish are twice as close to the Northern French than the Danes. How can this be? I guess the Romans really did do a genetic job on most of the populace of France under their rule, giving them quite the southern shift!

Closer to Danes. I'm not sure why you are saying that. Brittany and Danish are twice as close to Irish compared to next closest French group.

[ScandinavianCelt]

Distance to: Irish
0.01680099 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_23
0.01826780 Danish:GSM1985744
0.01834718 Danish:GSM1985821
0.01956631 Danish:GSM1985702
0.02114422 Danish:GSM1985807
0.02120287 Danish:GSM1985752
0.02129196 Danish:491
0.02140441 Danish:GSM1985723
0.02159093 French_Brittany:French24090
0.02211304 French_Brittany:French24247
0.02226894 Danish:GSM1985733
0.02253244 French_Brittany:French23989
0.02335795 French_Brittany:French24400
0.02337503 Danish:GSM1985711
0.02340579 Danish:435
0.02359724 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_46
0.02364019 Danish:430
0.02391417 Danish:GSM1985777
0.02391687 Danish:GSM1985829
0.02406537 Danish:GSM1985714
0.02413226 Danish:GSM1985692
0.02419560 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_11
0.02419964 Danish:429
0.02434225 Danish:499
0.02450531 Danish:475
0.02454302 Danish:GSM1985783
0.02476756 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_32
0.02509441 Danish:GSM1985841
0.02540488 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_14
0.02561230 Danish:GSM1985779
0.02568702 Danish:GSM1985817
0.02614349 French_Brittany:French23833
0.02645480 Danish:GSM1985799
0.02649998 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_4
0.02674993 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_48
0.02692067 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_47
0.02701667 Danish:503
0.02703589 Danish:GSM1985812
0.02706165 French_Brittany:French24120
0.02710776 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_82
0.02711719 Danish:GSM1985698
0.02720422 Danish:501
0.02721053 Danish:495
0.02744378 Danish:GSM1985789
0.02748675 Danish:498
0.02764657 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_3
0.02776021 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_20
0.02794732 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_95
0.02799007 Danish:GSM1985761
0.02802018 French_Brittany:Rennes_B_85

not too helpful, but vs individuals:

Target: Irish
Distance: 0.4750% / 0.00474981
56.2 French_Brittany
43.8 Danish

Target: Irish
Distance: 1.0849% / 0.01084880 | ADC: 2x RC
53.4 French_Brittany
46.6 Danish

[Watersater79]

Danes. Irish and Danes descend from a common genepool. French are further removed from that.

Could you elaborate, please, about this common genepool. Last time I checked, only a minority of French people reside close to the Mediterranean. The French are not a Southern European nation (even though, by pigmentation standards, they can appear to be, at least in comparison to the Dutch/Germans/Welsh (who are not as fair-skinned as the English/Scottish/Irish).

[Asega]

Could you elaborate, please, about this common genepool. Last time I checked, only a minority of French people reside close to the Mediterranean. The French are not a Southern European nation (even though, by pigmentation standards, they can appear to be, at least in comparison to the Dutch/Germans/Welsh (who are not as fair-skinned as the English/Scottish/Irish).

The common footprint of NW Europe is Single Grave/Bell Beaker (heirs of Single Grave). They are the ancestors of NW Europeans. That's why Danes and Irish are very close genetically.

The only thing that makes them different is drift that accumulated over time. This simply means that ancestors of Danes have spent a good amount of time isolated from the ancestors of Irish people. Ditto for Irish. The ancestors of Irish people have spent a good amount of time isolated from Danes.

These are small differences (including minor sources of different ancestry picked up) which sets them apart, and often hard pick to up when not using tools that are robust for such fine scale analysis.

Differences in phenotype are largely due to selective pressures that happened during their isolation from each other. This explains why Irish people are more often fairer skinned and rufous/ruddier, while Danes are blonder.

[Tooting Carmen]

About equidistant.